What possible motive does Russia have for hacking elections to favor Clinton over Bernie?

This makes no fucking sense, whatsoever:

9-13-2016 - NBCNEWS - NSA Chief: Potential Russian Hacking of U.S. Elections a Concern - The head of the National Security Agency said Tuesday that the potential for Russia to harm the U.S. electoral process in the upcoming general election is a concern.

8-29-2016 - NBCNEWS - Russians Hacked Two U.S. Voter Databases, Officials Say - Hackers based in Russia were behind two recent attempts to breach state voter registration databases, fueling concerns the Russian government may be trying to interfere in the U.S. presidential election, U.S. intelligence officials tell NBC News. The breaches included the theft of data from as many as 200,000 voter records in Illinois, officials say.

If anyone can come up with a possible motive for the Russians to do this, especially to give an advantage to Hillary, please tell me what it is.

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TheOtherMaven's picture

if it gets various states and communities to get off their dead asses and overhaul their benighted, primitive, easily hackable (they've known this for at least 16 years but nobody gave a shit until "Oh Noes, The Russians!") voting systems, it may possibly do some good. Possibly.

More likely they'll make a few cosmetic tweaks and call it good. Until the next hacking scandal.

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There is no justice. There can be no peace.

lunachickie's picture

beneficiary, Team Clinton. If you're all worried about Those Eeeeevil Russkies, you're not paying any attention to the Clinton sleights of hand.

Though I do agree with this:

if it gets various states and communities to get off their dead asses and overhaul their benighted, primitive, easily hackable ....voting systems, it may possibly do some good.

I doubt they have time to get it together by next month. If anything, this is going to create more chaos on this Election Day. Which is probably the actual goal...

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to run the federal elections sooner or later.
that'll solve everything. /s

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bygorry

Bisbonian's picture

Just looking to show that there is no logical reason for them to do this, and show that yes, Clinton/DNC has the only motive for the hacking.

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lunachickie's picture

there is no logical reason for them to do this....and Clinton/DNC has the only motive for the hacking.

I despise our media with a white-hot hatred, what they're doing to the people of this country with their propaganda and flat-out lies. Fucking traitors, propping the main traitor up. It makes me sick...

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Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

It's an excuse for handing our elections over to the Department of Homeland Security as an "essential industry" under the Patriot Act.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/election-cyber-security-georgia-22...

this is the PTB attempting to co-opt the fight for election justice, just as they've already done a fairly good job co-opting the fight for racial justice and gender justice.

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Amanda Matthews's picture

is she repugnant to millions on BOTH sides of the aisle. Her supporters are mainly the 'first woman president' fanatics and the well-to-do. So if she's hit with some big bombshells, she's in trouble. She can't afford to loose that many supporters. And she knows how much stuff is still out there. Who knows what will be the straw that breaks the camel's back?

Look how hard they keep trying to scare with with all the talk about Russia. They're nervous and they're willing to go as far as antagonize Russia, who we're already in a pissing match with and who's not Iraq or Syria, lesser nations that we couldn't control either.

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flowerfarmer's picture

in the middle east, which seems highly incredulous, there would be no reason for them to act to install the very person who salivates to make that dream come true.

Cold war bullshit, regurgitated by a frantic power hungry sociopath.
The internal polling must be off-the-charts.

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Bisbonian's picture

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"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X

they're setting up an excuse to vacate some election results? "Trump didn't win, the Russians hacked our machines!"

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Azazello's picture

That's my theory. The Clinton camp is scared. They don't know what Assange has. He may very well be bluffing but they know that there's some pretty bad stuff out there. If he releases damaging information, they will claim that is doctored and that Putin did it.

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We wanted decent healthcare, a living wage and free college.
The Democrats gave us Biden and war instead.

Bisbonian's picture

makes perfect sense, as deflection, innoculation. But the story itself makes no sense at all.

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"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X

A clever hacker knows how not to leave a trail and how to leave a misleading trail.

I haven't heard any accounts of hacking that separate the primary hacks from the subsequent hacks. We do know the primary hacks were of great benefit to Hillary, so if they are all from the same "guys" they are rigging the general for her too.

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thanatokephaloides's picture

Oh yeah, the act of putting the story out there makes perfect sense, as deflection, innoculation. But the story itself makes no sense at all.

No part of this election makes any sense at all!

Diablo

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flowerfarmer's picture

No part of this 'election' makes any sense at all!

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thanatokephaloides's picture

..... no part of this erection makes any sense at all -- no matter how we vote, we all are equally fucked!

Wink

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"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar

"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

A lot of the Clinton's tactic make no sense - but people who are that destructive and those who support such destructiveness have no sense to begin with, so what else are they going to produce but destructive nonsense?

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

at the stupidity of the Clinton campaign. They are freaking obvious.

We'll see whether she wins or not pretty soon. Politicians have banked on the ignorance of the general public and won plenty of times. I was astounded that Reagan was ever elected, much less W. Twice.

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gulfgal98's picture

1) Diversionary tactic to direct attention away from real vote rigging done by the DNC in the primaries.
2) Setting Russia up as the latest boogeyman that must be dealt with. They are softening up the American public for an escalated war in Syria and eventually Iran as proxy wars against Russia. Think pipelines.
3) To put the NSA in charge of all elections in the US.

All of this scares the crap out of me.

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M1K3L's picture

It's the all-of-the-above approach. You know, like with resource extraction (i.e., exploitation).

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Bisbonian's picture

for TPTB to put the story out there. What I am looking for is an actual Russian motive for doing the hacking...i.e. some reason to say that the story of Russian Hackers is not utter bullshit.

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"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X

lunachickie's picture

IMO, you are spot-on. The story about Russians hacking this is a complete and utter LIE. It's a setup, because as noted upthread, they're setting up to steal the GE.

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There isn't one.

I think the story they're selling is that Putin is having things hacked to help Trump because he's in league with Putin while Hillary is ready to start a nuclear war to stop his efforts to conquer our world.

Now that I think about it maybe Putin should be monitoring US elections. Wish he was there for the primaries.

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thanatokephaloides's picture

What I am looking for is an actual Russian motive for doing the hacking...i.e. some reason to say that the story of Russian Hackers is not utter bullshit.

I'd say: if there are any Russians hacking our election, they're doing it, not for some nefarious State-sponsored cause, but for good old-fashioned money. (Of which Klan Clintons has plenty, please remember.) And maybe to keep the hackers' skillsets up to date in the event they will be needed later for, well, some nefarious State-sponsored cause.

Again, I say if, and that's a might big if. In reality, lunachickie is probably right on the mark when she says:

The story about Russians hacking this is a complete and utter LIE. It's a setup, because as noted upthread, they're setting up to steal the GE.

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shaharazade's picture

with yours gulfgal. 'Diversionary tactic to direct attention away from real vote rigging done by the DNC in the primaries.' I also think that it's a way to cover the November rigging that's in the works. 2 and 3 are an added bonus as they not only can say Putin did it while getting people all fired up for the new heated up cold war. #3 is the one that scares me the most. On the other hand the NSA and all the alphabet spooks have most likely been messing with every aspect of our government. They seem to have free range since they took away the rule of law, checks and balances, and declared preemptive war on the whole of humanity and the planet itself.

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kharma's picture

I don't even know if I believe the government when they tell me that these systems are being hacked.

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ZimInSeattle's picture

That's the one I believe is most likely. No more Cold War or Bin Laden around to instill the required fear to control the plebes. It's all a pretext for more war. Look at the recent bombing by US planes that 'accidentally' killed many Syrian army soldiers who were fighting ISIS, thus breaking the ceasefire that was in place, and how Hillary's very own Victoria Nuland and friends engineered a coup in Ukraine, then blamed Russia for major aggression in Crimea when in reality the people there voted overwhelmingly to rejoin Russia. Small 'd' democracy is such a hassle for our oligarchical, plutocratic, corporatocracy. Worldwide Full Spectrum Domination (FSD), militarily as well as economically, is the Killary Doctrine. I am far more afraid of Killary causing wide spread unnecessary death than I am Trump.

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Pluto's Republic's picture

Those leaks are amateur hour. That's not a strategy for election "undermining?" Plus, there is no purpose. It's the quintessential hacker ethos.

When asked about it, Lavrov drew a blank, then barked with laughter when he figured it out. "Well, I don't want to use four-letter words," he began, then leaned in and asked the reporter, "What was in DNC email leak?"

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Funny, pretty sure that I hit preview and I did get preview - and a duplicate?

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

Amanda Matthews's picture

Dupe-cathalon.

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I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks

Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

Lol, sooner or later I'll no doubt achieve three. In many cases, it's probably repeating great posts; in mine, generally immortalizing typo's, so maybe sometime when I have extra, or when one of the cats investigates the keyboard? (They generally type better than I do, though.)

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

How about all of the above? This multi-purposing of scapegoats/targets has long been typical of polluting and other industries, such as those running the Clinton campaigns and influencing the Clinton's mind-set and policy. Lay waste to others, want not personally.

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

k9disc's picture

Heh, couldn't be that one. She will trounce Drumpf... Believe me.

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“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu

It will only look as though she lost by all indications other than those in the corporate media?

Oh, wait, her campaign and all of the corporate interests working in and toward Her Royal Coronation know how to cheat and some billionaire/corporate donors enticed away from the Repubs by her out-Republicaning them in her promises may have had a lot of Republican practice in the past.

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

1, she's playing the old Republican game of do evil and blame your opponent - they plan on rigging the election like they did the primary.
2, if she loses she can blame Putin.

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On to Biden since 1973

Unabashed Liberal's picture

win, from what I hear from national reporters on XM Radio.

They have been wringing their hands for 2-4 months, blaming DT for the public's loss of respect for public institutions/government. The Elites appear to be terrified that DT might not accept FSC as President (if she wins). So, their mouthpieces--MSM reporters--are floating a story regarding Russian hacking. (to my knowledge, they have no concrete evidence, unless it's recent, or, it has not been released to the public)

IMO, their goal is to lay the ground to overturn a Trump presidency if he should win. (IOW, Bush V Gore redux)

Some variation of the above is discussed almost daily on one XM program which features national campaign/congressional reporters from NYT, WaPo, etc.

Regarding Russia having a motive, I won't discount that Putin might prefer DT over FSC, considering his poor relationship FSC (and PBO, as well). And, DT constants talks about the instability and chaos that the Bush and 'O' Administrations have created in the Middle East.

Unlike the neocons, DT emphasizes going after the terrorist groups, not nations (for the most part). And, he would probably tend to stay out of Russia's situation with Crimea. His rhetoric is more belligerent toward Muslims/terrorist organizations; but he is less interventionist, and constantly criticizes our heavy troop presence in many countries/empire building. Including the great cost to the US, as a result of US adverturism. Or, so he claimed during the Republican debates.

My conclusion, based upon the various breathless scenarios that many MSM corporatist reporters are hyping on a daily basis, is that they hope to sow enough doubt about the hacking of our election process, that the PtB can rig/overturn the election results, if Trump wins. (Without massive protests in the streets occurring.)

Obviously, I don't have a piece from print media that I can produce to back this. It's conjecture on my part. But, I can't imagine any other motive for the MSM's constant harping and propagandizing on these topics.

I do know, that I'll be more than happy when this ordeal is finally over.

The end result of a FSC Presidency (IMO) is that the Dem Party Base will be cheering on FSC/Democrats as she further decimates the Social Safety net; whereas, they'll be screaming their bloody heads off if DT/Republicans do the same.

*Sigh*

Bottom line, I expect to hear calls of the election process being 'illegitimate' if DT is elected--due to Russian hackers.

And that would likely result in a either recall election, or going to the SCOTUS for resolution. (IMO)

Mollie


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