Why President Trump wouldn't be the end of the world
It's common in liberal circles these days to imagine the absolute worst possible outcome from Trump winning, and then assume that their nightmare is based on verifiable facts. When in fact it is based on conjecture, with a heavy dose of fear-based prejudice.
That's not to say Trump isn't an absolutely awful person, who would make possibly the worst president we've ever had, but that is only a educated guess.
I could be wrong. President Trump might just be a normal, bad president, like we've come to know.
I don't pretend to know the future, but it's now common for liberals to claim they do.
In fact, just doubting the validity of some liberal nightmare scenario on TOP will get you flamed. In much the same way that doubting the danger of Saddam in 2002 would incur accusations of treason in Republican circles. Hyperbolic doomsday predictions are now accepted as facts in the liberal echo chamber. The more hyperbolic the nightmare, the more credibility it is given.
Critical thinking is being trumped by fear.
It's now common to summon the specter of Hitler when talking about President Trump, when it fact Silvio Berlusconi is a better comparison.
His promises to sell off his personal assets to avoid conflicts of interest were never fulfilled, which sparked controversy throughout his terms in office. Berlusconi is a controversial figure in modern Italian politics: his tenure as Prime Minister was racked with scandalous sex affairs and poor judgement and decision-making.
According to journalists Marco Travaglio and Enzo Biagi, Berlusconi entered politics to save his companies from bankruptcy and himself from convictions
Doesn't that sound familiar? It does to me.
It's bad. It's embarrassing, but it's not scary.
Let's look at the other end of the spectrum. Why isn't Trump the new Hitler? For that, I refer to this article.
Gupta characterizes Trump’s campaign — correctly — as a “proto fascist” movement, meaning embryonic fascism, which may or may not develop into a fetus, let alone a baby. Proto-fascism has the DNA necessary to develop into a fully developed fascist movement, but without organizational sustenance and ideal conditions, the embryo withers.
While Gupta is right to warn of the threat, he overstates its imminence. A Trump presidency would feed the fascistic fetus in some ways while likely poisoning it in others.
A comparison of Trump’s campaign to the Nazi movement is helpful to illustrate. German fascism was a genuine, organized mass movement, with the Nazi party becoming the biggest political party in Germany. The party also had a massive paramilitary wing, the “Brownshirts,” which at its height had three million well-organized troops.
When Hitler came into state power, he brought with him his personal army, a massive political party with its own distinct, powerful ideology.
Trump doesn’t even have his own party, let alone a real movement (an electoral campaign is not a movement). His ideas are rudimentary and inconsistent. Because of him the Republicans are deeply split. Trump joined the Republicans out of weakness, not strength, and weakened the Republicans in the process.
Trump has no unified message or ideology. Ego has its place in fascism, but not without a framework around it.
The conditions also have no comparison.
The establishment, however, doesn’t arbitrarily dabble with fascism; they use it only when necessary, since engaging with fascism causes political and economic disruption, making profits less predictable.
Historically, a large section of the establishment opens its arms to real fascism when they literally fear for their life. Fascism is the “nuclear option” for capitalists, who use the far-right ideology to prevent the Left from taking power, so that capitalism can be preserved, and with it the large profits for the wealthy...
The German establishment needed Hitler to save capitalism, which was in imminent danger of being overthrown by the millions-strong and growing Socialist and Communist movements, led by mass organized parties.
The balance of power between the establishment and the working class was nearly even. Consequently, the establishment could not rule effectively. Protests were numerous, employers were under attack with strikes, and pro-capitalist reforms could not be implemented without risking insurrection.
Hitler and the German establishment were in total agreement that the Socialists, Communists and the trade union movement were too powerful, and had to be crushed. The first inhabitants of the concentration camps were leaders of the Left.
The situation in the U.S. is nowhere near 1930’s Germany. The U.S. establishment doesn’t yet need Brownshirts to save capitalism. Yes, widening inequality is an inherent and growing threat to U.S. capitalism, but a new Hitler isn’t yet required to smash the Left. This dynamic is ultimately what will prevent a President Trump from being too large a threat in the immediate future.
Since liberals have decided to ignore class, they've also forgotten that fear of communism was the primary and secondary reasons for the rise of fascism, not racism.
Deciding to ignore class is also the reason why liberals are clueless when it comes to understanding Trump's popularity.
On the other hand, there could be silver-lining from Trump winning.
If Trump becomes president, the various social movements — labor, peace, immigration, women, LGBT, Black Lives — will be given free reign to fight back by the Democrat-affiliated media and politicians, who will all discover the backbones they lost while Obama was in office. Good media examples are Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert, who were brave pit bulls against Bush but toothless puppies under Obama.
In this sense, a Republican president can open space for the Left, even as they attempt to implement policies against it, while Democratic presidents shut off political space. Under Obama, protests were discouraged. Challenging politicians with bold demands was prohibited as the working class was told to defend Democrats from the right wing. Politics was stifled.
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that must be some sort of Catch-22
So we can never change anything for the better. The best we can hope for is uniting to fight against something.
If "we" win an election we're in for a bad time so we must lose.
Well, "we" don't "win" an election
when we elect another neo-liberal Democrat. If we actually Won an election, some good might come of it.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
"Winning" this election really means preventing Medusa
from getting in the White House. She will connive with her supposed enemies, the Repugs, all the while selling off whatever legitimacy the Democrats may once have had to the highest bidders. Trump on the other hand will be a largely stifled president, because Democrats will instinctively rebel against his mandate (and he may indeed get a relative mandate, considering how few votes there will be in total). I don't force the election as providing a filibuster-proof majority for either party in either Chamber of Congress.
Trump will veto TPP.
He may lobby for tariffs
He won't start wars--and hopefully end the wars that our current war criminal president has been "ending" for the past 8 years.
He doesn't have as far as we know his own personal wet-work squad.
Trump's presidency won't be a boon to Progressives, except by weakening establishment Dems by illustrating serious intraparty rifts. This might provide a beneficial "power vacuum" which may allow a larger Progressive component to exist in the Donkey party.
Trump will end the wars? Not likely.
I don't believe his promises on the TPP or bringing back manufacturing either. Why would he? His own clothing line was made in China right up until Macy's stopped carrying it.
Trump has said, "We have to take out their families," referring to terrorists. He will widen the wars to the point of committing international war crimes. He'll set up his wet-work squad shortly.
Also, while he may be opposed by Dems, the Repugs will go along, especially if he turns more mainstream in order to gain all those lovely corporate donations for his reelection campaign.
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I don't believe Trump anymore than I believe Hillary.
The victory is in the Democrat's neoliberal loss. How much it will cost remains to be seen, but we can pay now or pay later. I wish we had paid sooner when the cost was less, say Clinton or Obama's second terms.
IF third parties are as much of a wasted vote as the Democrats claim, then it is imperative their candidate lose. If they keep running neoliberal liars and crooks, we will never have a candidate to vote for and our votes will never count.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
"Trump has said, "We have to
"Trump has said, "We have to take out their families," referring to terrorists. He will widen the wars to the point of committing international war crimes. He'll set up his wet-work squad shortly"
So he won't have to look far for direction, and personnel. All he'll have to do is follow in his predecessors footsteps to have his choice of goons and weapons from Reagan on through the present. And, Hillary's fraudsters and goons will need work if she isn't elected. Heck!! we might even get to see, from our own living rooms, drones deliver new generation first strike nuclear bombs...won't that be sooo cooool!!
I cannot vote for Trump
under any circumstances, and the comment about having to take out terrorists' families is among the reasons he's clearly war criminal material. But aren't we already doing that? Aren't we now killing tens of thousands of innocent families in these wars?
I can't vote for Hillary Clinton first and foremost because she is a war criminal. She seems to have no interest in knowing what happens to the people of Libya or Syria when we blast away, or arm unnamed groups, or unleash a weapons glut that winds up fueling Al Qaeda and ISIS. It's all a joke to her. It's an abstraction.
As horrible as this is to say, when crackpot Republicans target families, at least they're aware that civilians are being killed. For the Democratic warmongers like Ash Carter, it's as if nothing like that is happening because they don't mention it, they don't acknowledge it, and therefore it's as if it isn't happening.
Yes, I agree. It's as though Carter & Obama know those
who are murdered and disposessed and made homeless and stateless really are other than human and, in their neoliberal world, don't rise to the level of their having to take notice. It may or may not be happening but they don't deign to notice much less care.
"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"
Yes, but it's not intentional. Or so they claim.
I just don't see enough difference between the two of them to care which of the two wins. Thus I'm voting Jill Stein.
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There's only one candidate who wants to wage peace.
That's why I'm voting for Jill Stein.
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Thanks for this
I had been ruminating yesterday on how Trump's persona was nothing like Hitler's. Trump is just an old, spoiled, rich brat with a talent for what Scott Adams calls "persuasion". Hitler had that talent as well, but he was a much younger, deeply damaged, working class soldier who took Germany's defeat in WWI as personal threat to his masculinity. Most of the similarities are pretty superficial.
We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
- Greta Thunberg
references please.
Let's just say that armchair psychotherapy is not my bag.
I've about 15-20 books at home on the end of the Weimar Republic and the transition to the Third Reich. I assume you must as well, given your facile analysis. I invite you to back up your analysis with some scholarly work.
There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.
It was rather over the top
I was still annoyed with Krugmans column this morning, and it sort of came out here.
As a domain expert, though, what do you think about the thesis that the two of them are very different people? Certainly they are different ages and have different backgrounds. Mein Kampf is dripping with rage, but I don't see that in Trump at all.
We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
- Greta Thunberg
Very briefly, the similarities:
The country is in terrible shape
It's all because of "the other" (Jews/illegals)
Germany/USA can only be "great" again under "strong" leadership ...
... and eliminating (KZ, deportation) the "other"
Meanwhile eggs have to be broken to make the omelette (OK that was Lenin)
and promises are like piecrust (ditto)
The Volk have to be whipped up into a frenzy of anger
where the anger is delivered by the Leader
and whereby the Leader will be catapulted into absolute power
by the unanimous will of the People
where he can finally cleanse the Nation of the undesirables
and make it Great Again.
okay?
There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.
Trump supporter websites
If one visits Trump supporter websites and reads the comments, he/she will learn that his supporters are concerned about the economy. The posters frequently state that Trump is going to bring the jobs back to this country; Trump is going to fix the economy, etc. They also are attracted to Trump because they see him as an anti-establishment figure who will challenge Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell. I also noticed Trump's supporters are really anti-main stream media. I am not saying that Trump will do any of these things, but that is the way some his supporters see him.
There is a class based wave of support for Trump. Even Ryan has
been forced to publicly oppose TPP.
In Ryan's district, Kenosha has seen 30% of manufacturing jobs erased; Racine has lost 33% of its manufacturing jobs; and Janesville has lost 54%. This has led to widespread despair as lives have been ruined because there's no hope of gaining similar employment to support a family
"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"
He is a human Molotov Cocktail throw at the establishment
Michael Moore nails it, and this is why so many can overlook the flaws in Trump: He is not a positive change agent, he is a wrecking ball.
With the tsunami of bullshit coming from both the Democratic and Republican Establishment, there are tons of people just willing to throw a bomb. He doesn't pay taxes? Don't care. His foundation is a fraud? Really, this is what team Clinton is arguing? Carl Rove and his tricks are not operative this cycle. He could name radicals to the supreme court? You shoulda thought of that when you stuffed him and Shrillary down our throats. He is incompetent at governing? Who is ?!?
They will not bring him down with negatives, that is actually his selling point. The establishment hates him, and that is exactly why he is doing so well, and has a great chance of winning.
It's a really perfect description
Someone posted it in another essay earlier. Moore hit the nail on the head.
I was listening to NPR go on about what New York is doing about the travesties at Trump Foundation - none of his voters give a flying damn about that.
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
They are trying to innoculate the Clinton Foundation
with their hammering on his foundation. This is classic Rovian campaigning.
But we have all seen it before, it no longer holds its magic. And he will not be cowed on this in the debates, he will open up the whole donations form countries with business before the State Department scandal.
I really dont think they understand that the standard methods no longer work. His appeal is the hatred he engenders from the establishment. Everybody piling on Trump is reinforcing the idea that electing him will piss off TPTB, which is a YUGE positive.
Exactly. That vaccine no longer works.
“ …and when we destroy nature, we diminish our capacity to sense the divine,and understand who God is, and what our own potential is and duties are as human beings.- RFK jr. 8/26/2024
Trump's foundation is a red herring.
The Clinton Foundation is nearly 1,000 times the size of Trump's foundation. Their attacks on his foundation is purely cover for the massive money-laundering and influence-peddling going on in theirs.
Of course it is
I still think Trump is trying to throw the election--but it's instructive to see that his supporters don't give a damn about that Foundation business, because they already know about Clinton's! I kind of thought they might really nail him with that, but it doesn't seem to be making a dent....
Manchurian candidate.
D. Trump and W. Clinton are as close as thieves.
This 'election' has been rigged for Hillary since 2008, and all clear-thinking people know it.
There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.
Proof:
There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.
Is it backfiring?
While I'm inclined to agree that Trump is a ringer, it would seem even this Clintonian plan to put up a horrible opponent against Hillary is backfiring. Trump is far more popular than predicted because the Clinton camp is unaware of or insensitive to the angst of the citizenry. Even staunch liberals like myself feel preventing a Clinton win is the highest priority.
Trump's egotism is pretty obvious and it could be giving him ideas outside the original plan.
His supporters are anti-establishment
Just like the Bernie people.
I monitor a few of their websites. There's a Reddit place called "Ask a Trump Supporter."
It's about the economy from a middle class point of view. Trump attractive to people who lost their jobs through "surrender globalism," better known as Neoliberalism. But Anti-establishment is their big thing. None would ever vote for a career politician, again. They support Outsiders only.
And having everyone from Bush Sr. to the NY AG
attack Trump, they are actually feeding his narrative: They hate me just like they hate you. Hillary's "deplorables" was confirmation, not revelation, of a system at war with working people.
How a NY frat boy billionaire can connect with the middle class so well is beyond my comprehension.
Perhaps because "frat boy"
resonates more with them than "billionaire"?
There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.
One can look to Trump's Republican enemies, or if not
enemies, non supporters. Trump is not getting the Republican donor class to contribute to his campaign. House Speaker Ryan spoke to a group of 400 over-rich Repub donors and conceded that Trump did not hold standard beggar-the-poor views. Ryan said, "We have a different kind of nominee now" which "sparked laughter in the room" according to the Washington Post.
If we don't believe Trump, and there's no reason to, we have to account for the fact the money tap is off for him: Rich Republicans believe him.
We have, as leading candidates, two of the worst nominees in history.
As for defending Democrats from the right wing, Obama and Clinton are right wing.
"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"
Amen. And while we're loking at Trump's enemies,
let's have a look at Hillary's latest BFF. She was endorsed today by Michael Fucking Chertoff. Skelator himself. The guy who was excoriated over at ToP in the early 2000's when he was Bush's toady. I won't go to the ToP, but I'll bet that all is forgiven over there if he's backing Hillary. As if Henry Fucking Kissinger wasn't enough.
Now, the former lead counsel for the Rethugs' Senate Whitewater Investigation is endorsing her and she (apparently) has done nothing to dissuade him or reject his endorsement. If someone had tried to ruin/jail my spouse, even 20 long years ago, my response to their endorsement of my candidacy would be quite different. I'd have said to him "Mr. Homeland Security you smeared my spouse and tried to humiliate me too. Take your endorsement and cram it up your ass."
But apparently, being POTUS is more important to her than anything else on this mortal coil. How I have grown to loathe that woman.
"Just call me Hillbilly Dem(exit)."
-H/T to Wavey Davey
Friends of Hillary belong at Madame Tussaud's wax
works Hall of Horrors. How could she attract such a disreputable crew? Oh wait, I remember.
Hillary is the shark and the remoras are attaching for free eats and proximity to power. The Foreign Affairs Council(something like that) is the where the neolib/neocon nexus is and their directors are well represented as Official Friends.
"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"
Are you thinking of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR)?
They publish the quarterly Foreign Affairs magazine.
Yes. My recall was not what I could have wished for. Thanks.
I recently saw a list of the Board of Directors of this most establishment of organizations and many are the same ones who urged the disaster-war in Iraq. Being wrong most of the time, even when millions die and trillions of $$$ wasted, does not disqualify them from the CFR. Many friends of Clintons are there.
"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"
You described this part perfectly.
You're looking at a key chamber of the Permanent Federal Government, the Neocons who run the country. The Elected (or Transient) Federal Government comes and goes with little effect. Their temp. job is to rename post offices, cut Federal benefits to the people, and hand off more than half of all Federal Revenues to the Troika Agencies — Defense, Intelligence, and State Departments.
The Permanent Federal Government occupy the most powerful positions in the Troika Agencies This is where all the government's classified documents are generated, which iprovides an awesome cloak of invisibility in the hands of the Permanent Government. They, along with an assist from their like-minded media cohorts, drive the nation's Neocon narrative, also known as US foreign policy. Their domestic counter-intelligence and propaganda program has successfully pushed the American people to pay for Neocon ideological wars for Empire and Israel.
Since the Reagan Years, the Permanently installed Government has consistently determined the direction and focus of the nation and its power — through one Elected administration to another — without interference. Indeed, under Neocon and Neoliberal guidance, the country's economic trajectory (debt, GINI, wages) and social safety trajectory (poverty, incarceration, personal security) have not altered course in fifty years — the first an arrow- straight incline, and second a straight and steady decline. Something like that takes long term planning and organization (with an assist from their cohorts at the Treasury). And that brings us back to the Council on Foreign Relations — the One Ring that binds them all and brings them all together.
Don't change one word: You've got the geopolitical system
pegged. I agree with your inclusion of Israel and its part in the wars of imperial expansion.
Thanks.
"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"
I have only recently reached the point
…where it is irresponsible and intellectually dishonest to not bring Israel forward, out of the shadows, to take a bow. It would especially be remiss to omit any of the players when writing in the geopolitical genre. Can't get away with it anymore.
BTW, you've got the system pretty pegged yourself. I've seen it in your comments.
Thank you. I read your posts and often do not answer because
you know your material and state it better than I could. Keep it up.
"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"
Laurence Shoup's
recent book on the council is reviewed here:
That is an excellent and timely reference.
Chomsky was a bit too kind, here:
They distorted the historical record and altered the context and intentions of the entities involved. They're still rewriting postwar history. Look at Ukraine and its Nazi roots reaching back into WWII. The Neocons pulled that coup off, physically threatening Russia, and they totally bamboozled the American people just to make a point: "They cannot save you. They're lost."
The rest of the world from China to Bombay, and even Europe, knows exactly what the Neocons, NeoNazis, and Neoliberals gathered there have collectively done. There was never a Russian invasion. The Ukrainian Neonazis shot down Flight 17. The US refuses to release their satellite photos of either event. Crimea, exercising its human right to self-determination, voted to reunite with Russia. The Russian government voted to receive it again. I have a feeling there will be a lot more self-determination in the world soon, and in the United States, too.
I agree with the points you've made and I think, given the
chance, there will be a lot more self determination in the world. I think Colombia and Brexit are symptomatic of the fact that people, in many parts of the world, are fed up with the governance they have received and are receiving. The choices are often too blunt an instrument but they are better than nothing and people are venting.
"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"
Not a surprise but here is
Dubyas daughter doing the hillbot
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3817829/Another-Bush-Hillary-Bar...
It's all one big party and we ain't anywhere near being included, it's deplorable. -s-
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
It's an exclusive club
of which we are not a part and don't even get to glance an an invitation.
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
I'm sure we wouldn't want that invitation
sorry for assuming(but I think I got that right)
but to be a fly on the wall at certain times would have to be priceless.
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
Actually, I would want that
invitation. I don't want to be the fly; I want to be able to write it down.
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Chertoff
Once you swallow David Brock the rest go down easy.
Hillary, her supporters, and water have one thing in common
They BOTH sink to their own level. And that's lower than the Challenger Deep at the bottom of the Marianna Trench
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
I went there so you didn't have to!
Not going to visit every mention on the site, but the last few comments mention Chertoff's dissing of Trump with some amazement. No forgiveness for his or W's former loathsomeness, but happy that he has seen the light, if only to the limited extent of disliking Trump.
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Well if they've learned to love Chimpy than Chertoff isn't much
of a surprise. I'm waiting for cheney to endorse her.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
If Cheney endorses her, then I will actively work against her.
I know she's a warmonger. That would be the last straw. It would make it plain that she's not just talking tough because a woman has to, to be elected, but she means it.
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^^^This^^^
I thought I disliked her before, but now the intensity has grown and continues to grow. I find nothing redeeming about her or her policies or her crooked foundation.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Strongly disagree on so many levels
And none other than Jennifer Lawrence agrees with me;
Jennifer Lawrence Predicts ‘End of the World’ If Donald Trump Becomes President
There are many issues with the way things are going but putting Trump at the helm guarantees we'll hit an iceberg or the ship will catch fire and sink.
The political revolution continues
There's a difference between guarantee
and "I believe".
I believe that you believe.
But if you can guarantee the future, then I need help with some lotto numbers.
I buy a lottery number once a year to give G.d a chance...
...if he exists but I guarantee that Trump is the end of the world. Just look at his entourage let alone his character and temperament and his business practices and etc.
The political revolution continues
Exactly so.
Pick as many as you wish from the following:
1, 3, 7, 17, 23, 29, 31, 37, 41, 47, 53, 57, 63, 67.
I'm happy to accept 4.5% of your winnings as commission.
TYVM
There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.
Ok, I give up
They are not primes and they are not the least popular lottery numbers (to maximize payout).
We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
- Greta Thunberg
Thanks. Good paper.
Since all numbers are equally likely (it is after all a random draw), I just pulled these numbers out of my a$$.
Then of course there are condundrums like this ...
There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.
Funny. That's how Hillary looks to me.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Omigod Jennifer Lawrence!
Hopefully she will protest Trump's election by refusing to dress fashionably at the next awards show or something.
The ruling classes need an extra party to make the rest of us feel as if we participate in democracy. That's what the Democrats are for. They make the US more durable than the Soviet Union was.
She will stop tripping en route to
receiving an award in her adorbish way.
I'm not sure I would treat Lawrence as some political savant.
Not that Trump is a nice chap.
End of the world is a trifle hyperbolic.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
Trump will be a disaster
Clinton will be a disaster.
Trump will be limited by literally having no friends in Congress, and having a billionaires hurt ego.
Clinton will have no such limits. She has ready acceptance in the her own party for nearly anything she does already, no matter how much they opposed it yesterday. And Republicans are already salivating over having her as president, just look at how many endorsements she gets from them.
They can run the kabuki show of pretending to investigate her while "strengthening" Social Security, cutting taxes, bombing brown people everywhere, and deregulating everything. Liberals will fall over themselves justifying every bit of it.
... plus nukes
re-designed for first use, dial-a-yield, to make them more useable.
If George W. Bush threatened such a crackpot idea, he'd be called a lunatic. If Trump threatened first use, reduced yield nuclear weapons, at a cost of a trillion bucks in design and retrofitting, he'd be called a madman. But this is what our Democratic administration is talking about.
I fear the Democratic Congress will not only fall on the floor and obey her but also that they'll be afraid to oppose her war-making powers because they'd be accused of a double standard, of obstructing her right prove she's as strong as a man.
No wonder W said he might turn
out not to be the worst president in history.
I predict that Trump will sell out. He said after the primary
that he is not financing his GE run. He will end up obeying his corporate masters. And then he will have plenty of Repug friends and maybe some Dems too.
I think you will find a limited Trump to be a forlorn hope, no more true than Hillary doing things for working class women and children.
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Please explain.
Can you explain why the fact that Jennifer Lawrence agrees with you should help you persuade anyone else?
People from Kentucky are unusually intelligent and perceptive
(written from Kentucky)
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Actors have a different perspective
On top of that she has an unusual personal perspective;
The political revolution continues
Hillary is ruthless enough to be a President Alma Coin . . . n/t
Maybe not the end of the world but it would be the end
of all pretenses that this country has jumped the shark. It's not going to happen anyway, Clinton will be the president unless she fucking dies in the next month. But if it were Trump, the show would go on, everybody should know that. We just get to watch and bitch about it.
Relative to the hope that with a republican president the so called left would come alive and suddenly protest shit they won't under a Democratic president, I think that misses what really happens. The Democratic party and affiliated institutions coopt the "movements" or protests using the anger against the Republicans, the same old shit. It happened recently with Bernie and his fake revolution and the offshoots, where are they now. Those that fall back to supporting the Dem party, like at that "liberal" website Daily Kos, have proven they were fake, that it was all about the tribal political party bullshit. So they and their fake movements turn out even more harmful to the formation of real effective movements than would happen under a Dem president. Bring Clinton on and protest the hell out of her and this government.
It's easy to be against something when you know your views
will not be adopted but it plays well with your voters. Your only problem is if you - the politician - wind up with actual power. Then you have to get an Obomectomy.
"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"
It's very hard to keep any movement
from being co-opted or sabotaged these days.
That's something we should really talk about.
Fuck the Clinton/Trump/Bush cabal. Multimillionaire/billionaire bastards.
I'm a pro wrestling fan, they can't fucking fool me.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzsDppxnBTE] (trigger warning for those triggered by 9/11 images)
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Nicely done.
Finally an intellectually honest piece on Our Boogyman. Thanks, gjohnsit.
I just wrote a piece on fascism, which I had to research because I knew little about it.
This was certainly a universal truth:
I also learned that almost every country in the world had a Nazi Party in the 20th century. Certain economic conditions inspired the global trend. That means every race had fascism on its mind.
There's a strong connection between predatory free markets and the rise of Fascism, as well.
The UK and US
had plenty of Nazi sympathizers, many that were pretty high up in the tower of government.
Many of those Nazi party members were brought to the US after the second world war.
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
If it weren't for Nazi imports the US would have failed WWII
Didn't those imports come after WWII?
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
Operation Paperclip
Operation Paperclip was the United States Office of Strategic Services (OSS) program in which more than 1,500 Germans,[1] primarily scientists but also engineers and technicians, were brought to the United States from Nazi Germany for government employment starting in 1945 and increasing in the aftermath of World War II.[2] It was conducted by the Joint Intelligence Objectives Agency (JIOA) and in the context of the burgeoning Cold War. One purpose of Operation Paperclip was to deny German scientific expertise and knowledge to the Soviet Union[2] and the United Kingdom,[3] as well as to inhibit post-war Germany from redeveloping its military research capabilities. A related course of action was taken by the US with regard to Japanese human experimenters employed from Unit 731. The Soviet Union had the somewhat similar yet much more limited Operation Osoaviakhim.[4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
That was after.
It's not unlike the story of Sauron causing the destruction of Numenor.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
That was after.
It's not unlike the story of Sauron causing the destruction of Numenor.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Good piece at The Nation.
Naomi Klein talks about Pinochet, Uncle Miltie and Orlando Letelier.
You really can't separate social policy from economics. If Sanders were the Democratic candidate maybe the 1% would find themselves a real fascist, and not a clown like Trump. They're not backing him because they don't need a Pinochet yet, they're perfectly comfortable with Hillary.
We wanted decent healthcare, a living wage and free college.
The Democrats gave us Biden and war instead.
I see a good bumper sticker
in that line.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
Good old neutral Sweden
Had a strong Nazi-sympathizing Party in the '30's. King Gustav V and and his grandson Gustav Adolf (the present king's father) travelled to Berlin in 1939.
Goering is at the centre.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
When someone says...
The people, united, will never be defeated.
Yup.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
As I mentioned in another thread tonight, Jill Stein should be
our President. She is head and shoulders above all competitors, and if people voted their hopes rather than their fears, they would vote for her. Therefore all votes are rightfully hers.
Thus your vote for Trump (rather than Jill) is a vote for Clinton.
Thus your vote for Clinton (rather than Jill) is a vote for Trump.
Because in either case you're taking votes away that rightfully should go to Jill, making it more likely that one of the disgusting duo will be elected.
It's my new meme.
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I think Jill would be the front runner right now
If Bernie had never entered the race. All those $27 donations would have gone to her after Hillary's quick win over Martin O'Mlley in the Demonratic primaries. Jill, right now, would be having enormous rallies and she would be decimating Hillary and Trump in the debates in which she would have to be included. She would definitely be on the ballot in all 50 states and the Green Party would be THE party to be reckoned with. The DNC should be grateful to Bernie.
Beware the bullshit factories.
then again, it could be argued
that the true Mr. Magoos without clues, are those who blindly cling to an old and moldering 19th Century analysis, who do not and will not see that the last throes of the white people, worldwide, are rooted in Fear and Hate of the brown people, which is currently manifesting in the US as embrace of The Hairball.
If you decide
to completely ignore what a majority of the supporters as saying, and even ignore a majority of what Trump talks about (hint: he talks mostly about jobs and trade), if you also ignore stuff that can't be faked (or even spun) like mortality rates and median wages, then you are free to believe absolutely anything you'd like to believe.
Mortality rates of males 45 to 54 has shown an unexpected jump
and the causes - suicide, alcoholism, substance abuse - are markers for misery, as in falling into poverty when you were expecting leaving an unexciting job at retirement and being able to live on that and SS.
Saltillo, Mexico and other Mexican towns are where Speaker Ryan's jobs have ended up.
Depression is both an economic state, national or localized, and a personal state. The suffering is real. Real like the 150,000 Indian farmers who have committed suicide when international capital decided the traditional methods of farming there clashed with a profit opportunity. Or like in southern Mexico when American corn was dumped there driving farmers to ruin.
"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"
My generation is the one that actually got punched in the gut
harder than any others. Many of us are at the age where you're caring for both children and parents, trying to pay off your mortgage if you're lucky enough to "own" a home, etc.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
People in their most productive years are the ones hurt
most by the USA losing its manufacturing base. People in this age group find it harder to find a job because of age discrimination and if you're unemployed for 6 months or more, it's said to kill your chances of ever finding suitable work.
"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"
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