Sanders Says Clinton Comments in Leaked Audio 'Absolutely Correct'

Bernie Sanders told ABC’s George Stephanopoulos that Hillary Clinton was “absolutely correct” when she said many of his supporters were living in their parents’ basements and struggling to find jobs.

“During the campaign we had our differences, but what she was saying there was absolutely correct,” Sanders said during an interview Sunday morning in response to the newly leaked audio of Clinton talking about Sanders’ supporters during a private fundraiser in February.

“You have millions of young people, many of whom took out loans in order to go to college, hoping to go out and get decent-paying jobs and they are unable to do that,” said Sanders, who endorsed Clinton two months ago. “And yes, they do want a political revolution. They want to transform this society.”

The interview on ABC’s “This Week” was Sanders’ first response to the audio that was trending on social media over the weekend, although some of his staff had taken to Twitter to defend Clinton.

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This old man is standing on my last nerve

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I don't think I'll participate much in the abomination of a post. As far as I'm concerned, to take insults to his supporters and try to turn them into a plus for that awful woman is going to fucking far. I'm too 'miffed' to be civil right now.

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does not equal proof that the primary was "rigged." I happen to believe it was rigged because of various anecdotal reports that came in from polling place, but I know that is not proof.

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The DNC/Clinton campaign were conspiring against Bernie and their membership, so there was a conspiracy occurring. Rather blatantly displayed.

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

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what is so scary is that all the things we can't prove and don't know, we will never know. That seems to be an American specialty. Apparently the truth can always be surpressed not only for decades but for centuries.

So, do you know what kind of fire would be capable of melting steel? Are there chemicals that would interact with the steel and the fire to decrease the steel's melting point? Or is there any chemical reaction that would increase the degrees the fire burns at? Oh well ...

„Chemie ist das was knallt und stinkt, Physik ist das was nie gelingt. ("Chemistry is what bangs and stinks, physics is what never succeed.")“

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Google the phrase "meritocracy unbound" either with or without the quotes. Guess which website tops the list of results? Yes, caucus99percent. The goals in marketing an Internet site are to capture audience share and to become the authority on particular topics.

Meritocracy Unbound is the title of a c99 essay by Prince Rip. It's a riff on Percy Shelley's play Prometheus Unbound. Prince Rip now owns his phrase and draws new readers to c99, some of whom may need un-fooling.

My point is that the people reading around here are the choir, but we need to preach beyond the choir to have any effect on national discourse.

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relevant to the idea that beating on Bernie schlepping around the Sunday honk-fests for Her Heinous at this point is simply beating on a really dead horse?

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we are here to be WITNESS, Bernie is with muzzle doing the same. Fan is on HIGH now.

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Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.

I keep a close eye on the logs. There are many anonymous users (non members) who read this site, probably many more than most here would imagine. As Ed says, "we need to preach beyond the choir to have any effect on national discourse."

Yes.

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then we already are, to some degree.

"we need to preach beyond the choir to have any effect on national discourse."

I try to share and relink where I can--not sure if you can see that for any of us?

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I wonder how many of those are from TOP, keeping tabs on us dissidents, lol?

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

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reading and never saying a word. Very courageous of them.

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concerned about the bat shit crazy discourse....

Srsly dude, some of these comment threads are unreadable. The players and what they're posting hasn't changed in 3 months. Same fight, mostly the same players.

IF I want to see management sanctioned "one side beating up on the other side" I can go to DK or DU. Maybe you think you're being fair, I see it as enabling. How do you think a fair part of the traffic you're talking about sees it?

I think you got the whole Bernie sucks I've #Demexit'ed crowd sewn up. I mean you really cornered the market on that. /snark

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FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

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I guess we don't need to worry about the "bat shit crazy discourse," though I'm not sure which part you're referring to: the idea that the official story of 9-11 is not the full truth and that the government is hiding something--or the idea that the Clintons might have threatened Bernie Sanders?

Because I don't think the 9-11 truth movement is particularly extreme; both the late Gore Vidal and former Senator Bob Graham think the government was hiding something. Let me rephrase--some people in the 9-11 truth movement are extreme & kind of nutty; the ones on here aren't. There's a lot of questions there that were never answered, and if that was a real investigation by the 9-11 commission, I'm a Rotarian.

As for Bernie, yeah, I think he was threatened. I have no proof, and I've said so; this is just speculation, and I've said that too. I went through the various possibilities logically, and that was the most logical one. I've done this more than once, and I won't go through the whole tired business again.

By the way, I don't think Bernie sucks. Never have. Never will.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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#StillBernie

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was brilliant. Not only was it a big F.U. to Her Highness, but it also assured BernieBros and Berniecrats that he wasn't going anywhere, that he has every intention of moving forward. I believe we'll see that manifest after HRC's honeymoon over.

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I agree that some of the posts here are La La Land, but that is the case on every message board, every political board, anyway. But, not the posts with which you and I agree, of course.

And now, àpropos of absolutely nothing, other than that my comment reminded me:

Interesting (to me) cover
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0yMYfxTqX4]

Original, by one of the several songwriters (none of whom was an award-winning lyricist, I'm guessing)
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1YusSmtBU0]

The "We're too cool for this song" version
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2sBOEYLpAA]

The eye candy, most fun version
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WOdatBARK4]

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your snark tag is not clear to me to what it relates.

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exactly where he's coming from. Why are you so damn worried about what I post? We are all here because of Sanders. Why would you think that his betrayals aren't important? Oh, and I didn't know threads had to be approved by you before they're posted. Someone needs to add that to the site's TOS.

Seriously, I'm NOT asking you to read what I post. And personally, I don't give a damn if you do or not. But until the site's powers that be tell me that "if Lunachickie don't like it it don't get posted", I'll continue doing exactly what I'm doing now, posting information that I think is valuable. Oh, and nice change of tactic. Last time around you accused to of being a liar, this time you're just going post some drivel about you 'not understanding' and all the rest of that nonsense. This can be solved very simply. DON'T READ MY TREADS IF THEY UPSET YOU SO MUCH. Now that's not hard to figure out, is it?

EDIT: I came back to say I don't see you whining at anyone else who agrees with this thread. So what exactly is your problem?

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I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks

Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

with your postings Amanda.

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I know who think's she's running it and I would like her to get off my ass and quit telling me what to post.

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Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

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I don't think Luna wants to run the place or believes that she does.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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her.

Maybe she just tries to pull rank with 'certain' people.

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Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

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Toots?
Etymology 2[edit]
Shortened from tootsie.

Pronunciation[edit]
(US) IPA(key): /ˈtʊts/, [ˈtʰʊts]
Noun[edit]
toots ‎(uncountable)

(slang, sometimes derogatory) Babe, sweetie: a term used when addressing a young woman, especially one perceived as being sexually available.
Hey, toots! How you doing?

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/toots

Used to be a day @C99 when threads like this were stopped.
I was told 3 months ago that members were being given some slack, I was told to give people time, that it might be a few weeks.

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FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

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no one was terribly gung-ho on it. In fact, a couple others pretty much echoed what I had to say.

I'm not telling you what or how to post--in fact, I further went on to rec another one of your posts earlier. I'm not particularly upset by Bernie Sanders flapping his mouth and I sure as hell don't have a problem with you or anybody else posting about it. That's the point I'm making--it's a monumental dead horse to be beating on at this point in time. Why should anybody give a shit what he has to say, when he told you himself not to listen to him?

Excuse the fuck out of me for having an opinion over and over about this, but you keep creating the opportunity and I keep seeing it. Just lucky, I guess?

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trying to stirring up a shitstorm. You don't.

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I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks

Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

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but suit yourself.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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Is not all of us agree with you.

I frankly see him trying to walk a fine line between being honest and not incurring the wrath of Hillary. How is the quote you gave untrue? He certainly twisted her words a bit to add a different meaning and twisted her arm at the same time. To me what he didn't say speaks volumes because I have not seen one source claim he says she is right about the deluded and naive part.

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problem when someone has decided that they should tell someone else what to post and what they feel.

Can I do that to you? I bet you wouldn't like it one damn bit either, would you?

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I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks

Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

I see him as the same (allegedly) lesser evil, Democratic nominee-supporting politician he's been since at least 1992. Whether he is that way for the purest motivations or not is above my pay grade (and that of everyone else, other than Bernie himself).

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because of Sanders. Never was and there are a lot of people who are not here because of Bernie or any pol or party. As I understand it this is not a partisan, persona or candidate blog it's about the helping and discussing the issues that will enable the 99%. Getting into fights about Bernie's intentions or calling the movement he gave voice to 'his' is absurd when we are looking at this rigged shameful election.

Jeez all of you let it go he's running around lying his head off for Hillary and speaking double speak with the best of them. He was always just a pol, who caucused with the 'New Democrat's' who brought us to this point. Oh yeah he was the Amendment King who symbolically filibustered. His Foreign Policy alone was hair raising still is, same with his weak tea campaign against The Mad Bomber. If it quacks like a duck it is usually a duck.

I understand about Bernie he's useless he was a ringer. So what's all this constant bickering about his intentions and his persona and his so called integrity. quit waving Bernie's shoe around he's gone daddy gone as far as any real movement or political revolution goes. Instead of focusing on the evil courtier's shenanigans and their absurd scribes, the repulsive bodily fluids of Hillary,the scary Hair Ball and pissing and moaning about how Bernie had to betray his supporter why not cover this election with some real issues and ideas on how to get these Democrat fuckers out of power including Bernie, as he's done.

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like free discussion of all the issues, and I was no longer finding that over at the Chamber of Hillers.

Disagree that Bern was a sheepdog or a ringer or anything else like that. I think he's just a guy who swallowed the Fear Trump propaganda hook, line and sinker. So what? We don't have to follow him. I'd rather he was promoting Jill, but agree that it does no good getting peeved about it now.

Why not let it go? I do want to know when he says stuff like this, but don't see a need to get upset about it.

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On this we are in agreement. But it's reasonable for people who gave a great deal to be let down because he was getting behind Hillary while they were being silenced. Bernie put Bernie over his supporters. It isn't the first time.

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The End "in a sense":

The evidence is overwhelming that the next president of the United States is going to be Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump, and if you are voting for someone else and not supporting Hillary Clinton because, in a sense, she doesn’t live up to all of your specifications or ideas, I think it is in a sense a vote for Trump.”

Even in safe states? Wow. Just go on and reward the neo-liberal shits that created this mess? Nope! Uh-uh not me, f*ck that. Not everyone has the resources currently afforded today's modern politicians, but you go Bernie. Do what you think is right.

Thanks

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The Dem nomination was blatantly rigged - I think Bernie knows that the general election will also be rigged.

Corporations and billionaires invested billions in Hillary so that she could hand them the world on a platter with the Bush-initiated, Hillary-promoted, Obama pushed corporate coups beginning with the TPP...

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

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it's clear that that is only another grifter's delight. Send $3!

"It'll be Our Revolution!"
"ok, but where's Bernie?"
"he's out campaigning for the one who asks Kissinger for advice"
"well then who's in charge?"
"not Bernie, that's for sure...some other guy"
"the guy we merely put up with since we trusted Bernie?"
"yeah, that's the guy"

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worthwhile organizations to join, or start your own.

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Regardless of what Bernie is doing now, his entering the Democratic primary exposed the rot at the top of the Democratic party and many people will never see the party the same way. No one knows at this point the ramifications of Bernie's attempt to secure the nomination, but I believe later he will be credited with more than a footnote. It's difficult to see history when it's in the making. The Democratic party will be forced to undergo a transformation and Bernie's campaign contributed to that. Politicians are reactive, not proactive; but the seeds were planted for change.

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that Sanders 'opened our eye' to the problems in this country? Do you think that people didn't already understand that they were poor, in debt to the point they'll never get out, that the political system is corrupt, that we can't feed the hungry but we can pay billions for war, that Wall Street is still pulling the same crap they were pulling when they brought half the world's economies down, that things are being run by TPTB for the benefit of TPTB??? He didn't open our eyes, he promised a solution.

WE KNEW! And Sanders said he was going to fight all that and that we had to stand beside him while he did it. Well, when it came to the knowledge that we had one of our most basic rights taken from us, a free and fair election, he still decided to join the side that rigged it. That should have been a deal breaker. He should have stuck with those that took him to the dance and paid his way in instead of ditching us for the rich girl who lies every time she opens her mouth and whose henchmen did what everyone whines about the Repubbies doing in Florida in 2000. Apparently election rigging is only bad when it's done by the right.

He has a right to vote as he sees fit. But he's batshit crazy if he thinks that those supporters should now support the person that personifies everything that is wrong with this country and to keep telling people to vote for her. Sanders told us if we would follow and contribute, he would lead us to this 'better way' with a 'revolution'. His 'better way' ended up to be pandering for Clinton and leaving his supporters, who were CHEATED AS MUCH AS SANDERS WAS, in the lurch. Can you just imagine how angry those that had believed the hype about 'taking it all the way to Philly' are? What about his supporters that made plans to go there to support him and then one day, way before the the primary, he all of a sudden starts this "support Clinton" nonsense without any warning? He was still 'fundraising' when he make his flip. Where's that money going?

I knew he said he wouldn't be a 'spoiler'. What I didn't know was that after seeing concrete proof of a rigged election and knowing what he does about her and the DNC's involvement, he would have no problem bending his 'principles' to support the people who screwed him and US as well. These aren't little things either. He's going ALONG with a rigged primary.

He's accepting the corruption and even helping enable it.

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Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

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they would do literally anything to win, how impossible change to the party would be, how beholden they are to money, how close to the Repugs they actually are on many issues I care about. So yes, I do feel like Bern opened my eyes to some things. Sure, I already knew some others. But not everyone would.

It would be interesting to conduct a poll - "What did you learn (if anything) from Bernie?"

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With opened eyes. I'd always assumed the dem party was the people's party - not perfect, often spineless, I thought - but actually fighting the good fight.

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The one that reads:

The Party of FDR!

... and the smaller one below it that reads:

The Party of the People!

All falsehoods. Yeah, I fell for that. No more. The only thing the present-day Democratic Party has in common with FDR is the word "Democrat." As for the Party of the People, if you live in Martha's Vineyard and work for Wall Street, then, yeah, it's for people like you.

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From and the Third Wayers killed off the 'old Democratic Party'. This is now the 'NEW Democratic party.

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New Democrats, also called Centrist Democrats, Clinton Democrats or Moderate Democrats, is a relatively conservative ideological faction within the Democratic Party that emerged after the victory of Republican George H. W. Bush in the 1988 presidential election. Describing themselves as "centrist", they are an economically conservative and "Third Way" faction which dominated the party for around 20 years starting in the late 1980s after the US populace turned much further to the political right. They are represented by organizations such as the New Democrat Network and the New Democrat Coalition.

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The landslide 1984 Presidential election defeat spurred centrist democrats to action, and the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) was formed. The DLC, an unofficial party organization, played a critical role in moving the Democratic Party’s policies to the center of the political spectrum. Prominent Democratic politicians such as Senators Al Gore and Joseph Biden (both future Vice Presidents) participated in DLC affairs prior to their candidacy for the 1988 Democratic nomination.[4]

The DLC espoused policies that moved the Democratic Party to the center. However, the DLC did not want the Democratic Party to be “simply posturing in the middle.” Thus, the DLC declared their ideas to be “progressive”, and a third way to address the problems of the 1990s. Examples of the DLC’s policy initiatives can be found in The New American Choice Resolutions[4][5]

Although the label "New Democrat" was briefly used by a progressive reformist group including Gary Hart and Eugene McCarthy in 1989,[6] the term became more widely associated with the policies of the Democratic Leadership Council, who in 1990 renamed their bi-monthly magazine from The Mainstream Democrat to The New Democrat.[7] When then Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton stepped down as DLC chairman to run for president in the 1992 presidential election, he presented himself as a "New Democrat".[8]

First-wave New Democrats

The first-wave of New Democrats, from the 1980s to 1990s, were very similar to Southern and Western Blue Dog Democrats. Al From, the founder of the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) and its leader until 2009, had been a staffer for Willis Long, a Democratic representative from Louisiana. Among the presidents of the DLC were Al Gore, senator from Tennessee, and Bill Clinton, governor of Arkansas. The first-wave New Democrats sought the votes of white working-class Reagan Democrats.[9]

4. Hale, Jon F. "The Making of the New Democrats." Political Science Quarterly 110, no. 2 (1995): 207-221.
5."DLC: The New American Choice Resolutions". Democratic Leadership Council. Retrieved February 25, 2013.
6. Herman, Steven L. (December 4, 1989). "The "New Democrats" are Liberals and Proud of It". Associated Press.
7. Rae, Nicol C. (1994). Southern Democrats. Oxford University Press. p. 117. ISBN 0-19-508709-7.
8. Kelly, Michael (September 28, 1992). "The 1992 Campaign: The Democrats; Clinton Uses Farm Speech to Begin New Offensive". New York Times.
9. Lind, Michael. "Obama: Last of the "New Democrats"?".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Democrats

DLC:nThe New American Choice Resolutions is a document I cannot find anywhere and I started this post almost 30 minutes ago. I've been looking for it ever since.

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Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

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I think to be insulted by what she said you'd need to be looking for insult. One day someone will tell me how it is different than Bernie's entire campaign.

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-- lotlizard

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What reads as reasonable in print without overtones and undertones can sound very different when it comes hissing out of a Lizard Person's mouth over their forked tongue.

For my money Bernie is broadcasting from the Hanoi Hilton.

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There is no justice. There can be no peace.

Why use that particular phrase, "living in their parents' basement" to describe his supporters? It's one thing to touch on the poor economy created by Obama's neoliberal policies--the very one that she wants to continue, I might add--but it's another entirely to start playing on stereotypes of unemployed college grads that are struggling on the crappy job market. She chose those words for a reason; it's because that's how she sees Bernie supporters. She thinks that the millions of people that voted for Bernie are naive, economically disenfranchised college-aged losers that don't know any better. I'm almost shocked that she didn't descend into the vernacular of the internet and start labeling everyone as "neckbeards" and "shitlords," especially after her campaign manufactured the "Bernie Bro" smear. It's no coincidence that her comments mirror everything encapsulated by that line of attack.

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elitist, but I don't take it as an insult. I'd like to live in my parents' basement right now! I wouldn't be struggling so hard to keep an independent roof over my and my pets' heads. Banding together and making do is something to be proud of in a crappy economy.

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And it's known that a lot of young people simply cannot afford their own homes because they cannot get a living wage, due to the Greeds sucking up all the everything.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/study-record-number-of-young-adults-living-w...

By Jessica Hartogs CBS News August 1, 2013, 5:04 PM
Study: Record number of young adults living with their parents

A record 21.6 million young adults in America were living in their parents in 2012, according to a new Pew Research Center poll on the so-called millennial generation. ...

http://billmoyers.com/2013/12/09/record-number-of-americans-can%E2%80%99...

Record Number of Americans Can’t Afford Their Rent
December 9, 2013
by Bryce Covert

Paying more than 30 percent of your income on rent is what experts call unaffordable. Yet the number of people who fall into that group has reached record numbers, according to a new report from the Joint Center for Housing Studies of Harvard University.

The share of renters who pay more than 30 percent of what they make on housing, or what the study labels “cost-burdened,” rose 12 percentage points last decade, reaching 50 percent in 2010. That includes 27 percent who face a “severe burden,” or in other words, pay more than half of their income on rent, a figure that rose eight percentage points. Initial estimates show that there were a record 21.1 million renters who were cost-burdened in 2012.

The most recent data is for 2011, however, when 20.6 million people were cost-burdened and 11.3 million paid more than half what they made for housing. This problem falls heavily on low-income renters. More than 80 percent of those who made less than $15,000 in 2011 paid 30 percent of their income or more on housing, with 71 percent paying at least half. Given their tight budgets, these renters spend about $130 less on food, “a reduction of nearly 40 percent relative to those without [housing] burdens,” the authors write. “Housing affordability is thus clearly linked to the problem of hunger in America.” They also spend significantly less on health care and retirement savings. ...

... The inability of so many to afford rent has pushed many into homelessness. Almost half of the country’s homeless population works but doesn’t make enough to pay for housing. While there has been a decline in the numbers nationally, on any given night there are more than 600,000 homeless people, according to government data, and some of the most populous states actually saw big increases. The number of homeless students reached a record last year at 1.1 million. ...

http://www.alternet.org/economy/boomerang-babies-record-numbers-young-ad...

Economy
Boomerang Babies: Record Numbers of Young Adults Live with Parents at Terrible Cost
Facing big debts and job insecurity, today's young people can't get started in life.
By Lynn Stuart Parramore / AlterNet
August 5, 2013

America’s young people have been hit so hard by the crappy economy that they can’t even get out the door. A fresh study from Pew Research reveals that 36 percent of Millennials —young adults ages 18 to 31 — are camping out with Mom and Dad (this includes college students who come home for breaks). Not since the 1960s have so many young people resorted to couch surfing with the 'rents, a record 21.6 million young adults last year.

Something is going horribly wrong in our economy—something that will cost everybody. ...

... The folly of austerity has already played out viciously in Europe and ought to provide a cautionary tale. But despite the fact that the favorite academic research of austerity hawks has been exposed as deeply flawed (the infamous work of Carmen Reinhart and Kenneth Rogoff) the voices of austerity-pushers like Alan Simpson and Erksine Bowles, co-chairmen of the President’s wrong-headed deficit-reduction commission, still echo throughout Washington. The pair recently published an op-ed once again calling for curtailed government investment and cuts to the social safety net — just the sort of thing to drive more young people to desperation.

Eventually, the failure to address the catastrophic situation facing young people leads to social unrest. When young adults have tried hard to get work, but find instead not only a lack of jobs, but an array of useless or bought politicians and greedy bankers set against them, they begin to experience rage. This has been observed all over the world, from the Arab Spring to the Occupy movement. When young people have nothing left to lose, they start to lose it.

It's not just the young, either.

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A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

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The innocent way is that people are living in their parents basements because they haven't benefited from Obama's recovery. The less innocent way is that it was a dog-whistle implying Bernie Bros are losers that live in Mommy's basement and don't want to find jobs.

I'm ambivalent about which meaning was intended.

In my view, that wasn't the worst of what she said. Here are things I found more egregious:

And on the other side, there’s just a deep desire to believe that we can have free college, free healthcare, that what we’ve done hasn’t gone far enough, and that we just need to, you know, go as far as, you know, Scandinavia, whatever that means, and half the people don’t know what that means

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I met with a group of young black millennials today and you know one of the young women said, “You know, none of us feel that we have the job that we should have gotten out of college. And we don’t believe the job market is going to give us much of a chance.” So that is a mindset that is really affecting their politics. And so if you’re feeling like you’re consigned to, you know, being a barista, or you know, some other job that doesn’t pay a lot, and doesn’t have some other ladder of opportunity attached to it, then the idea that maybe, just maybe, you could be part of a political revolution is pretty appealing.

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But those of us who understand this [idealism], who've worked in it know that it's a false promise. But I don't think you tell idealistic people, particularly young people that they've bought into a false promise.

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In other words, we can't have nice things, like the 1% or the rest of the world.

Incidentally, Syria has universal healthcare and free education, even through medical school, and IIRC, so did Libya before we turned it into a smoking ruin and a terrorist training ground.

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This further ingrains Hillary's Mitt Romney moment here--that reminder that we're all whack for wanting nice things:

on the other side, there’s just a deep desire to believe that we can have free college, free healthcare, that what we’ve done hasn’t gone far enough, and that we just need to, you know, go as far as, you know, Scandinavia, whatever that means, and half the people don’t know what that means

and only sensible people like Her played by the rules and succeeded because she's (better, smarter, etc) because idealism is for children:

But those of us who understand this [idealism], who've worked in it know that it's a false promise. But I don't think you tell idealistic people, particularly young people that they've bought into a false promise.

But Bernie! He fucked us all over on purpose because he's just like Her. Except who cares? He told us not to listen to him! Does the fact that he actually managed to say that, unprompted, and have it picked up on a live mic somewhere, to live in infamy, no longer matter?

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and that we just need to, you know, go as far as, you know, Scandinavia, whatever that means, and half the people don’t know what that means

I was tempted to help Hillary out by explaining where Scandinavia was, what social democracy is, and why we want a rational society that doesn't turn out children into indentured servants. The "whatever that means" part is the tip-off. Hillary once again demands that I choose between believing she's stupid or evil.

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from his whole campaign. In that case why did so many people including you vote for and support his phony 'political revolution'? It's like telling people who actually believed in Obama's campaign of hope and change, shrug I knew what he was about from the start. It always makes me think a. so why did you vote for him and b. why didn't you speak up and tell people that he was full of shit.

Bernie's whole campaign was supposed to be about taking it back from the corporate duopoly and getting some democracy back. When he refused to even question the rigged primary results he lost me. Before that I was skeptical about his campaign as it was weak tea regarding crooked Hillary's policies and positions. I cared about her damn-mails. I cared about her mad Foreign Policy and the horrible neoliberal 1% Clinton foundation's fraud. Even his healthcare policy and the lethal military policing was lukewarm.

'I'm in it to win' and all the way to Philly was what I heard. Now I hear a lot of apologist's telling me how Bernie is too smart or too full of integrity, so he must be being threatened hogwash. So yeah maybe it was no different then Bernie's whole campaign which if that's the truth, you would thin would be an insult to those who thought he was a real candidate and not just another shallow politician sheep dogging the left into the veal pen. Protest votes is also insulting.

As far as being insulting of course it is. It's what the Bushies used to say about lefties who watched The Daily Show. It's like Ram calling the left Fucking R#%^'s. Her comments on millennials and other 'extremist far lefties ' people who won't vote for her are always insulting. This one was made to reassure her donors that the left flank opposition to her RW fascistic poplicy here and globally is nothing they need to worry about. It reeks of her 'free stuff' when addressing healthcare or education and any social programs that help people. Free my ass we pay taxes we have no choice unlike The Clinton Foundation or Goldman Sachs and co. Every time she opens her mouth she insults humanity.

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condescending undertones and inconsistencies of her past actions compared to her public rhetoric during her campaigns and all the promises made by Hillary Clintons.

It's weird to me, but thenI see Sanders playing the game as smart as he knows. He just ignores all the arguments his former supporters have against Hillary Clinton, as if he didn't have them as well before the primaries.

He is right to say that many kids live in their parents basements, because neither them nor the parents have other options. What would you call parents who wouldn't help their kids to have a roof over their heads and let them watch their kids going homeless? I would say that would be pretty assholish parents. Millions of families all over the world, live together with their adult children, when their are no other options. That's what families are for. Darn it.

So, if Hillary Clintons puts those, who have to live in their parents house, down, then this lady just should get beaten up over her head for her arrogance. (I heard nothing but arrogance in her comments, Sanders pretends there is none of that. Well, may be has not much of a sense for sounds and music).

But you can obviously decide to hear something else in her comments, ignore her actions in the past, and pretend she is good-willing in her intentions. Sanders decided to play his game that way for now. So, it is what it is. I give him some slack, as to be more afraid of Trumbp than being of Clinton, considering he might be way more sensitiive to the anti-semitic sounds coming from Trump.

But the I think that the way Stephanoupoulos started talking introducing him as one of Clinton's important supporters, is the absolutely freaking way American ecletions campaigns are played and media enable the game to the fullest. It's a fucking game, a scam, nothing has any meaning. All blah, blah to create self-serving news, sound off on TV and lie the hell out of your mouths.

In that sense it's really not worth giving a damn about the elections. It's a kabuki theater by the millionaire power players for the millionaire power players in the government and a staged event paid for by profiteering corporation, who want to write the laws that are good for their bottom line, and faithfully executed for both by the media.

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could throw away all his principals and dignity and crap all over his supporters. DO YOU THINK PEOPLE WEREN'T AWARE OF THE PROBLEMS IN THIS COUNTRY BEFORE SANDERS????? How stupid do you think we all are? If we weren't already fully aware of the problems, Sanders would NEVER have gotten as far as he did. In fact, all the people who knew were the ones who got behind him because of his bull puckey about a 'revolution' and a 'better way'. Sanders didn't wake people up. What Sanders did is tell the people who already KNEW what was wrong in this country that he would lead them to that 'better way'.

Sounds like some here seem to think that it's only Sanders that was cheated out of a fair election. The proof that the primary was rigged is actually one of the most important stories of this election. It's a story about how millions were disenfranchised by a crooked party and no one, not one damn person, is saying and doing a damn thing about it. Unlike bush/Gore, WE HAVE ABSOLUTE PROOF, we have documentation of what happened. And yet, Sanders is okay with that. He's going out beating the bushes, scrounging up votes for the very people who screwed us.

I think that will be the story in the future. And it will be written by the millennials that Sanders so tirelessly worked to attract to his campaign. 'Going all the way to Philly' will NOT be forgotten.

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why he threw away all his principals and dignity and crapped all over his supporters. If he doesn't do it and does so in a convincingly honest way about it, he will not be forgiven.
At least I won't. It's not comprehensible. So, if all of it, including the rigged primaries, will just settle dust in the history books and accepted as "normal", then, you know, there is no need to give a damn about this country's democratic process.

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So, if all of it, including the rigged primaries, will just settle dust in the history books and accepted as "normal", then, you know, there is no need to give a damn about this country's democratic process.

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Moses is going to lead us out of Egypt (we've all known we had to leave...thanks Moses, for stepping up!). There is dissension, however, as Edward G Robinson wants to go a different direction, right into Saudi Arabia! or whatever it was called then. Moses agrees with us that we need to go to the promised land.

Eventually Eddie G. wins out and we start the long trek to the desert. Moses, Moses, why are you going along with this? And Moses says "we all know that Eddie G. Robinson is way more qualified than [whoever is being presented as the villain] and the desert wasteland of Saudi Arabia is the most progressive desert ever, much better than the Gobi. If you want to insist we go to Canaan or Goshen or Israel you're effectively saying you want to go to the Gobi Desert."

And some people will say "yes, we must go to the Arabian desert because we surely don't want to go to the Gobi!"

Next time I make this point I think I'll throw in Br'er Rabbit to make it folksier.

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My reply is down there. V

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The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?

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Get some Peter O'Toole in there.

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Re-read The Wasteland. B'gosh. Island sampling am I?

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All Hell breaks out every time Huck and Jim leave the safety of their raft and they tie up on the river bank and come in 'contact' with society.

Twain could entertain and educate like no one else that I've ever read.

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It was clear to me and many others from the get-go that Sanders could not possibly win the Democratic nomination - the party establishment just had too many ways to put the blocks to him, and besides, recent history shows there is always a true-blue leftist challenger to the centrist, neoliberal establishment candidate, and that sooner or later that challenger always falls by the wayside. It's a central part of the party's sales pitch - we're the big tent party that's sympathetic to the egalitarian, stand-up-for-the-little-guy message. Just not this year.

I don't know if Bernie Sanders knew all along that his campaign was doomed from its very inception, and that his campaign was helping to promote a perception of Democratic Party inclusiveness that was very much at odds with reality. Personally, I think he accomplished some positive things with his campaign that wouldn't have been possible if he'd ran as an independent or third party candidate. The level of support he received, the amount of media attention, and his ability to force Clinton and the party establishment to address his central issues would never have happened without that major party imprimatur.

That said, there is a rather grotesque disconnect between running as a candidate opposed to special interest domination of the political process, opposed to environmentally destructive practices such as fracking, opposed the for-profit health care model, opposed to huge and expanding levels of income inequality, and any number of other corrupt, elite-favoring government policies on the one hand, and then turning around and endorsing a candidate who is virtually the living embodiment of all those terrible and morally bankrupt policies when his campaign comes up short. "But, Donald Trump!" is not even close to a good and sufficient justification. A point an earlier incarnation of Bernie Sanders himself made, in no uncertain terms.

No man's character, no man's inner toughness or moral courage can truly be judged until it is in some way profoundly tested. This is the year that Bernie Sanders' moment of truth finally arrived, and I believe it found him sadly wanting.

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Debates.

The Democratic party was the only way Sanders would ever be allowed to participate in the debates. It was a risk that many here did not agree with, but the Democratic party was his ticket into the door, rightly or wrongly.

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for Shillary is so repugnant. One of the best points made in this whole thread is a single paragraph in yout post. It gets right to the core of why Sanders is not a man that you can believe or rely on.

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That said, there is a rather grotesque disconnect between running as a candidate opposed to special interest domination of the political process, opposed to environmentally destructive practices such as fracking, opposed the for-profit health care model, opposed to huge and expanding levels of income inequality, and any number of other corrupt, elite-favoring government policies on the one hand, and then turning around and endorsing a candidate who is virtually the living embodiment of all those terrible and morally bankrupt policies when his campaign comes up short. "But, Donald Trump!" is not even close to a good and sufficient justification. A point an earlier incarnation of Bernie Sanders himself made, in no uncertain terms.
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YOU are the only one who brought up the fact that at one time he saw her just as bad if not worse than Trump.

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Bernie Sanders to Hillary Clinton: Yes, Trump’s Foreign Policy Ideas Are Scary. But So Are Yours

Posted on Jun 4, 2016

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Earlier Thursday, Clinton gave a speech that laid out her own foreign policy agenda and criticized presumptive Republican nominee Donald Trump for his “thin skin” and “dangerously incoherent” ideas.

“Americans aren’t just electing a president in November, we’re choosing our next commander-in-chief, a person we count on to answer questions of war and peace, life and death,” Clinton said. “The person the Republicans have nominated for president cannot do the job.”

On that point, Sanders agreed.

However, he added, Clinton wasn’t much better.

“I agree with Secretary Clinton that Donald Trump’s foreign policy ideas are incredibly reckless and irresponsible,” he said in his statement. “But when it comes to foreign policy, we cannot forget that Secretary Clinton voted for the war in Iraq, the worst foreign policy blunder in modern American history, and that she has been a proponent of regime change, as in Libya, without thinking through the consequences.”

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/sanders_to_clinton_yes_trumps_foreig...

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I read this post earlier and I wanted to comment on it but for some reason I kept passing yours by because I had different words in my head than the ones I read. At least one member of this board had the whatevers to bring up that not all that long ago Sanders didn't see much difference between Trump and Clinton, now he's out singing her praises. Thank you.

EDIT: added the word 'not'

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When Sanders decried such things as obscene disparities in wealth and income, systemic corruption of the political system by big money special interests, an overpriced, under-performing health care system more concerned with profits than patient welfare, unfair trade deals that have resulted in the loss of millions of good-paying jobs, young people graduating from college crippled by huge levels of student debt, environmentally devastating industrial practices such as hydraulic fracking, etc., etc., he was essentially delivering a full throated condemnation of neoliberalism in all its venal and corrupt guises. An ideology that happens to be, and has been for a very long time, the official orthodoxy of the Democratic Party, an entity which embraces, supports, and enables every one of these destructive, toxic and morally bankrupt practices. Which is of course something that Bernie Sanders knows full well.

So what does he do when the inevitable happens, and his upstart insurgent campaign is kicked to the curb by the party establishment? He endorses the one person who, more than any other active politician in either party, save only Barack Obama, represents the living embodiment of all those things that he's been railing against for so many months. An individual whose entire career has been devoted to zealously promoting those very same policies that Candidate Bernie said were unacceptable. So this is a classic example of a politician who, when push comes to shove, talks the talk, but doesn't walk the walk.

Compare Sanders craven capitulation to someone like Rep. Barbara Lee, who courageously cast the solitary vote against the Iraq war resolution in the US House of Representatives. Or Wayne Morse and Ernest Gruening, the only two Senators with the guts to vote against the equally bogus Tonkin Gulf resolution in 1964. When you represent yourself as someone willing to take a principled stand, you have to be ready to match noble sounding words with the actions required to back them up, no matter what the personal costs.

As far as I'm concerned, there is simply no way to reconcile Sanders basing his entire campaign on a relentless verbal assault on all the toxic manifestations of neoliberalism, and then turning around and offering an enthusiastic endorsement of one of the world's foremost proponents of that very same ideology. Either, as some have alleged, he was a fake liberal sheepdog all along, or else he is a moral coward who lacks the courage of his alleged convictions. Either way, he is not someone I will bother paying any further attention to going forward.

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it furthers their interests. Period.

From blog pie fights to wars throughout the world: When we use our time, our energy, our attention to rip each other up and tear each other down, we are aiding and abetting the forces that keep us divided and ineffective. We are actively contributing to our own demise in the name of ... what?

If we are ever going to change anything, we need to begin to recognize the tactics used against us, develop strategies for answering them effectively, learn how to grow trust between ourselves and repair that trust when it (inevitably) gets damaged, hold to the larger vision--as always as possible--and build momentum, getting better together.

Tactical question: What could destroy morale, after all the events since the DNC, more than Bernie echoing Hillary? Not much, I'm thinking. So it's a super effective divisive, demoralizing tactic on "their" part.

Why Bernie is doing it is both beyond our ability to know, and ultimately irrelevant. What can be known right now is this is another blow to the trust each of us placed in him, to whatever degree we did.

What can we do with what we can know? Grieve, rant, burn--but don't let this break us, individually or as a movement. Let's learn from it. "They" do this every time: they take down our leaders, compromise our heroes, lie, cheat, steal and kill. It's what "they" do. And, from what I've seen, any one of "us," under the right (or wrong) conditions, can be flipped to a "they." Agent Smiths in waiting.

Bernie is, for now and who knows how long, not fully trustworthy: draw that line where you will. I will always be grateful to him for bringing me hope, on a very practical level. The response to his candidacy revealed the beating heart of America, and a glimpse of our potential. We can be grateful for painful lessons learned and learn them this time. We can protect and support each other. Protect our hopes and dreams, our morale and motivation, our growing agency and power. We can nurture healthy conflict, multiple perspectives, and as much diversity of experience as we can get.

There is so much work we need to do, on so many levels, working together. I just hate to see any more time lost in pie fights, and hate the greater divisions that grow from them.

*came back to add my gratitude to Bernie.

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that I could have said it like this:

Tactical question: What could destroy morale, after all the events since the DNC, more than Bernie echoing Hillary? ...So it's a super effective divisive, demoralizing tactic on "their" part.

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Aw, shucks, thanks to all three of you!!

Just beaming over here. Biggrin

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how ridiculous he is the human the pol the "movement" leader who is echoing HRC and lying his head off. At my most charitable moments I think maybe he believed he could pull her to the left. Then the reality of what he is saying and has said with the exception of his brilliant stump speech now sinks in. In it to win? All the way to Philly? Saudi Arabia should pay their fair share of the killing? How can you pull an oligarchical, corrupt, psycho killer Glodwater Woman to the left. As you Bernie diehards like to say he's smart he knows how this game works. He an experienced pol and yet he once again when push came to shove to folded. The Amendment King got some useless lame amendments to a platform that is a pack of lies. Once again I'm not a Bernie hater I'm not angry at him but I'm sick and tired of reading about St. Bernie. I want him off the stage and to quit blocking the hallways and clogging the doors. I don't take kindly to fear mongering or war mongering I've had enough of it since Bushie was selected. As for his fake political revolution I hope the real political revolution movement tips their hat to Bernie says bye bye, no thanks, and does not get fooled again.

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count change.? Does it just go away?

Seems something is missing.

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can delete comments and I only delete duplicates or redacted comments. Non admin users can only remove text from their comments and cannot actually delete it. The post count does decrease when a comment is deleted and yes, the comment just goes away along with any replies it may have, that's why I never delete duplicates or redacted comments if they have replies to them.

No one has deleted any comments from this comment thread, if that's what you mean.

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so I don't quite know how that works. But I was wondering because I remember a remark and I can't find it now, And I've been looking quite a while. Of course my memory could be at fault too, so that's why I asked. And I don't know why, buy I somehow got them idea that it was something we could do.

P.S. The reason I asked is it was one I wanted to use for something. And I'm still looking for it. That's why I want to know about 'deleted' comments and SEARCH isn't helping.

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Stays. And, it would show up in the left side list as being empty.

Maybe the comment you're looking for is in a different essay?

Edit: if you know who left it, you can click on their ID link, then click "My Comments" link from their user page, and check the list for the particular comment.

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I truly suck at using built-in site search functions.

I know how to hit Control + f which will pull up a search bar, and then I type in a word to find on the page. It's not the built-in site search bar, but a different one. Probably doesn't work on Apple OS.

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every word but the right word. Well, I used more than one wrong word, but never mind.

It was Mouselander's post. I guess I kept missing it because I had knew what point he/she was making but I didn't come close to remembering the exact wording. Now after all that, I've kind of lost the urge to post to it. But I'm sure I will.

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I can't stand it when I can't find things. My poor mom looses her keys more often than I get hungry in a day, and that's a lot! Glad you found it.

And hey, I don't share your animosity toward The Bern Man, but I'll defend your right to post about it. I just wish things didn't get so heated by not just you for sure.

Have a good one!

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to continually harp about what I posted. Wasn't the first time it's happened, and that's why I got royally pissed.

Well, now that i found what i was looking for (I was starting to wonder if I had made that post up in my head) I think i'll go find something to eat. Haven't eaten all day and I'm starving.

Have a good week. It all starts over in a very few hours.

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given up yet. I'm beginning to think I'mjust not using the exact terms that the other poster used.

Phooey.

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The Case of Dr. Farmer:

When I first learned of Dr. Paul Farmer in Tracy Kidder’s book, Mountains Beyond Mountains, I was deeply impressed. Kidder unfolds his story of a brilliant, inspiring and even noble man, direct and plainspoken — not afraid of the truth, devoting his life to caring for the people of Haiti, and an expert called in to advise on health crises around the world. Throughout the book he had quite pointed words for the decades of economic destruction and social travesty visited upon the Haitian people by U.S. policy there.

When I was trying to find out how legitimate the Clinton Foundation might be, I knew I would get the straight dope from him on what CF had or had not accomplished after the earthquake. So I searched Paul Farmer Clinton Foundation, and -- was immediately confused — because apparently he now works for them.

OK, I thought, maybe I was wrong about the CF. Nope. And wow.

I don’t admire many people, but I truly admired Dr. Paul Farmer, even envied a tad, his purity and moral clarity. Overall, like Bernie, my hope was strengthened, knowing he was in the world. He seemed incorruptible.

I don’t know what happened. One former aide in Haiti said he just “fell in love with Bill.” But whatever compromised him, he is no longer direct or plainspoken. In a fairly recent interview he sounded conflicted and confused, and not unlike a child who had lost his way. If this were a magical world, I would say it seemed as though a spell had been cast on him.

This ‘soft power’ of the Clintons … that’s some eerie shite.

(Yes, I know I just posted moments ago that Bernie's reasons are irrelevant -- but it would be ... what's the meme? ... irresponsible not to speculate)

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Clinton and the democratic party establishment have Sanders on a slow burn path toward marginalization so he can never lead any sort of insurgency with the democratic party. Obama gave Hillary the SoS job? Would Hillary offer Bernie anything close to this? I suspect not. My hope is he can re-emerge and lead an anti-war effort next year when Hillary starts wars with either Russia or Iran. But you only get one chance at pipe-piping.

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I have to be around a lot of millennials because I have a 23-year old son. If they're a sample of what they current feeling about Sanders is among that age group I wouldn't count on it. These guys know their choices are now Green, Libertarian, write in, or stay home. What's really distressing to me is that a couple of the kids are seriously thinking about supporting Johnson. WTF? Going from supporting what we thought was a Progressive running as a Democrat to Libertarian? That's really going to help the 'left', isn't it?

I keep telling them to vote for Stein so that the Dems know that Clinton has made the Democrats irrelevant and because she supports basically the same platform Sanders did. They don't want to hear it. They just laugh at me. Which is okay, they laugh at most people who are 'old'. But this is not going to bode well for a Progressive future unless something happens to make them feel like they weren't hung out to dry.

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I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks

Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

http://caucus99percent.com/comment/185823#comment-185823 and the blog entry to which it links, which is

http://caucus99percent.com/content/word-about-voting-november-okay-many-...

Inasmuch as they don't know me or my age, it may impact them more than someone familiar whose age range they know? Just a suggestion.

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I hate to see Chris be so jaded and cynical.

I've still got time to work on 'em. But I think one is already lost. And I wonder if Chris will agree just to humor me and make me quit with the 'Vote Green crap' like he called it once.

This is exactly what Sanders turning tail and praising Her Heinous to the Heavens is doing.

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I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks

Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

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for their views on political issues, but he refrained from any negative remarks about Jill Stein. I suppose he couldn't refer to Jill at all, else Medusa would have a shit-fit and sentenced him to Lower Slobovia.

My take on this is that Bernie is saying the bare minimum in reference to Medusa--even in his "pro-Hillary" speeches. He actually talks more about his platform/ideas. He never has used the word "endorse" regarding the Mad Bomber as far as I know.

Bernie says to his audience: "You make your [electoral] decisions for yourselves--I won't tell you how to vote"

Finally, he has made only one feeble venture against Jill in stating that voting third party is a wasted vote. I do not recall him making a strong or repeated condemnation of Jill.

This behavior to me is like the resistance movements' passive-aggressive response to foreign occupiers--sort of like the French Resistance to the Nazis in WW2.

I don't claim to know why he is doing what he is doing. This is just an opinion.

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His reluctance and his fear. He and his family have been threatened. He no longer has any choice. He is just one man, after all. We are the revolution.

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