You Can Smell The Stench Of Fear On The NYT Editorial Board
From their editorial board which in fact reads like a tabloids
First the sneering:
Mr. Johnson draws less than 10 percent in the polls that include the third-party candidates. If pollsters included him in their surveys every time, he says, he’d be doing better, though not as well as, say, Mickey Mouse. “Mickey would be at 30 percent,” he said on PBS on Thursday.
then the bullshit:
Ms. Stein polls at around 3 percent. The Green Party is the party of Ralph Nader, who in 2000 drained votes away from Al Gore. ”
Never mind the 48% [turnout was only 51.2%] who did not vote, just blame those who had the courage of their convictions to vote for someone else.
The reason you do not win a campaign outright with one of the two major parties is quite simple: your bloody candidate was not good enough.
The elitist stench that issues from that rancid organ the NYT is palpable. If you do not conform to the corrupt two party duopoly it is your fault if one of them loses, utter claptrap. This is repeated ad nauseum by the party faithful, sadly for these party partisans their numbers are decreasing with each passing year.
"If you don't vote for us you are voting for them" they cry, no matter how you vote are not.
Complete and utter tosh and drivel.
The reason they lose?
They failed to convince.
This election both parties have decided to put up some dross for our consideration. It's no wonder their various mouthpieces are beginning to panic.
Rather than blaming those who vote the wrong way after the election they have pre-empted that by blaming them before.
When you can win an election with 26% of those eligible to vote don't start whining at the rest who find this 2 party farce more than they can swallow. My suggestion is to start bloody listening to the 99.9% rather than just the 0.1% and you might actually attract the populist vote, odious though that is to the elite.
Every time they whinge about other candidates outside of the "closed shop" of the duopoly it weakens their strangle hold.
Campaign finance reform, equal air time or publicly funded campaigns frightens the life out of them, how will they survive on a level playing field when they need the monetary advantage to maintain control. Democrats are the more dishonest of the two as they will give this lip service before an election; knowing full well that after they can blame Republicans and a small number of their own for the failure to pass anything. Bipartisan deadlock is their meat and drink no matter how loudly they squeal, it means they can renegue on every faux-promise they have made.
Just remember no matter what you do on election day none of it "is your fault" just follow your conscience, who am I to tell you who to vote for or even to vote at all. Trying to force people to vote with fear and menaces can only but backfire at some point.
Comments
You don't scare me
I have held my nose and voted for the Democrat ELEVEN TIMES (actually, not eleven because Obama had me truly and fully fooled) and look where that voting for the lesser evil has brought us. Honestly, I am more afraid of "that woman", to use the once-big dog's words, than I am of Trump. In fact, I am extremely angry that in NY no matter what I do (voting third party, staying home or dog forbid, voting Trump) I won't be hurting the bloodthirsty, warmongering monster.
Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.
Here is the problem, you seem to think many of us give a shit...
If Clinton, or the Democrats, win.
I sure don't.
My vote for Stein isn't a protest vote, it's me, casting MY vote for the Candidate that I think has the best policies.
My vote doesn't belong to Democrats, Republicans or the Greens, it belongs to ME!
The hubris and arrogance it takes to assume that MY vote has to be cast for one of the two parties, when I don't like either of them, is just astounding to me.
The cowardice it takes to "Settle" for terrible candidate out of fear of a worse one is exactly what has allowed us to reach the point that we are at today.
A "Lessor of two evils" argument means you are supporting evil, and as far as that goes I got one thing to say, "Fuck that!".
I am not so cowardly that I would vote against my conscience for a candidate I think is deplorable.
A vote for Trump is a vote for Trump, A vote for Clinton is a Vote for Clinton and a vote for a third party is the same.
To think that if I wouldn't vote for Stein I would be voting for Hillary just shows how deep into the false duopoly many have bought.
So, if you people that support either of the two parties want to try to shame me for not playing along with the charade it's going to have zero impact on me, because I won't be shamed by those that support evil regardless of justification.
I believe those that settled for so long for LOTE are ignorant and culpable in the crimes perpetrated by the evil person they knowingly voted for, so why would the scorn of ignorant people that support evil bother me in the slightest?
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
I have given up trying to explain that too them
it's all about winning and not the consequences of supporting the same damn bullshit every 4 years
It's that goddamn "Team Sports" mentality.
It shows how shallow thinking they actually are that they can only operate under A or B. Their is no room in their head for a C.
Intellectual laziness and political cowardice. That's all that argument screams to me.
What's really funny about it is many of those same people that are bagging on us for not voting for the Democratic Party are the same ones that lambasted republican voters for voting against their own best interest.
I will not be voting against my own best interest just to enable the Clinton's corruption and ambition and the sooner they realize that the sooner they will begin operating with realistic data.
I think the thing that scares them the most is that nice, comfortable bubble that so many of them dwell in being popped and forcing them to acknowledge reality.
Their hubris is indeed amazing, they will call us "Privileged" for not supporting their candidate, whereas I think the REAL privilege is being able to support Clinton.
It must be nice to be so comfortable that they can afford another 4 or 8 years of the policies that have decimated the middle class and further weakened the poorest and most vulnerable amongst us.
Hypocrites, the lot of them.
(Edited to add the end of a missing sentence.)
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
YES!!!
I have harped on this point over at little orange footballs (top) and somehow it sails right over their heads. This is a very important point that cannot be emphasized enough. Thank you!
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Excellent, you've hit so many points I would
try and not do nearly as well. The cowardice also of being willing to simply look away at what we have already seen - that to me is the real kicker. I can be pissed at being betrayed by these ConservaDems, but I know that I have myself and lack of paying attention to blame for most of that. But after all I've read on sites like these (and yes, that hell hole did teach me a lot, and happily most of the people I learned the most from are now here!) and sites linked to them, the books I've read which in so many way's I'd be more than glad to give up because they are many times extremely depressing, I cannot pretend I don't know now! And it would be the height of hypocrisy for me now to vote for Shillary. I can't do it, and I won't be threatened into doing it by the thought of that Rump.
If he wins, this country was in for some fascist leaning idiot eventually after its rightward drift, and I can't stop that, and Democrats sure as hell haven't done one damned thing to even slow it down. Shillary is merely another version of it. And that's all just for show. Where other countries are concerned, she's even worse.
We aren't even assured our votes will be counted for real, why in hell would I put myself one more time into the hands of a party that's betrayed everything I really thought it was? For what? To live with that hypocrisy cause now I do know what they are? To watch her go into another war and know I was part of what put her there, in a direct way? To prove that once again I have been marketed to extremely brilliantly and have finally bought into their crap? And when they themselves may very well have set up that Rump to win? No fucking way, not this time and not ever again.
I don't want to see Trump win, and he does scare the hell out of me. His VOTERS scare the hell out of me. But if he does, this country has no one but themselves to blame for it. I know it's shitty to blame the overall populace, but too many have been willing to just ignore what's right out there in our faces now and many still are.
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
You're right. I don't think Trump and a Republican Congress
would be worse for the country. I think Hillary and a Republican Congress would be worse for the country. Because 1/2 the Republican party works with Hillary anyway, the 1/2 that likes the Bushes. The Bushes are very cozy with the Clintons. BFFs. Hillary and the Bush 1/2 of the Republican party will work together and the Rand Paul types will yell and scream and attempt to throw wrenches into the system, and maybe give the Republican rank-and-file the idea that there's some reason to stay in the Republican party.
People on all sides will attempt to restrain Trump. Almost nobody will try to restrain Hillary.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
A Non-Vote For Drumpf IS A Vote For Hillary.
If I don't vote for Drumpf, then I'm going to tip the scales for Hillary.
“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu
If Hillary loses, I hope we get the credit.
If we contend that voting for Jill Stein made no difference, then why do it? Like the TeaParty, we need to take them out and claim the credit. When we can finally hurt them, we finally have some power.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
great point dk, the point of voting for Stein must have
significance or what is the point.
One can vote for Stein and at the same time vote against Hills and/or Trump. They are not mutually exclusive.
My goal exactly
take votes from them that they "know" were "theirs" and watch them eat it. I want them to KNOW, and I agree that is the only way we get power. And while I loathe the Tea Party, we could learn from their tactics and they do know how to punish dissenters.
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
Wed, 09/28/2016 - 11:40am —
Wed, 09/28/2016 - 11:40am — LaFeminista
Thus also giving away the fact that Jill has far more support than they'll admit, lol.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
NYT is an insider organization above all else
I wouldn't be surprised if the NYT is worried about Johnson breaking the stranglehold of the duopoly than actually hurting Clinton: the Times is very small-c conservative, after all.
I'm surprised that more GOPers don't climb aboard the Johnson bandwagon since he's fairly mainstream Republican and not completely a loose cannon like the vulgar talking yam. If the libertarians were to get enough votes to weaken the GOP that would be a good way for the average GOP voter to strike at the party's establishment.
More people would probably vote Johnson...
if Hillary weren't running.
As it is, I don't expect Johnson's numbers to hold up through election day.
As the very real possibility of President Hillary sinks in, I think the urge to keep her out of the White House will overcome a lot of Johnson supporter's objections to Trump.
LOTE argument plays both ways.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
Many of Bernie's voters are Independents.
From what I'm reading, Johnson is getting more of the deflections than Stein.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Maybe so...
but traditionally a lot Libertarians have been disaffected Republicans.
Johnson's support could lean a bit more left this year with Bernie supporters in the mix, but whatever the breakdow, lefty Libertarians won't be voting for Hillary, whereas I think more than a few righties who now say they want Johnson may end up with Trump.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
Western Democrats
Have a strong libertarian stripe. We really dislike big federal government.
Bernie had lots of disaffected Republicans
who would support a Libertarian before a Green sans Bernie.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Johnson Don't WAR Well. Hillary Is a Much More Violent Choice.nt
“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu
Some Younger Voters are Johnson Supporters
Younger voters are supporting Gary Johnson. The NYT figures that those younger voters would vote Democratic if Johnson were excluded. Thus, HRC is "robbed" of this voting group.
Thanks for explaining the rationale.
What that argument ignores, of course, is that Millennials are voting for Johnson BECAUSE they don't like Hillary.
Nothing like an overweening sense of entitlement to cloud one's view.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
Based on their NOT having voted for Hillary in the primary?
Votes for Stein and Johnson are clearly anti-duopoly, anti-establishment votes. (They may also be votes for Stein or for Johnson, but they are clearly saying, "We do not want to vote for the Democratic nominee or for the Republican nominee.")
NO ONE is more establishment than Hillary and she is managing to convert or conflate the duopoly into a monopoly, which is even worse.
Could She be
the worst candidate in history? (see, I made a rhyme).
All the money, all the political machinery, all the media in the tank for her, the Prez stumping for her, and the second worst candidate in history running against her, and she may still lose this thing.
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone
More syllables!
Could Hillary Rodham Clinton be
The worst candidate in history?
or what about
My girl Hillaree
The worst in historee
My girl is BAD!
Donald Duck
What a punk!
Mary Bennett
HRC! HRC!
Worst nominee in history!
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
Go TEAM!
LMAO!!
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
From your lips ...
Yea, sure, this whole mess is my fault.
Never mind 40 years of stagnant wages and outsourcing resulting in the decimation of the middle class. No, it's my fault because I won't vote for someone who stole an election, broke laws and wears "golden handcuffs" instead of the real ones.
The real SparkyGump has passed. It was an honor being your human.
Yep get on that bipatisan train and all will be well!!!
We ARE on the bipartisan train, LaF
You would be surprised how genuinely multipartisan this intense dislike and distrust of Hillary is. No matter where on the political spectrum the person resides, there is a common, intense dislike of the corruption, the pay-to-play, the nepotism, the entitlement, the sense of being above the law and above the rules, the ineptly-concealed condescension:
Look, she's Veruca Salt. Apparently *everybody* hates Veruca Salt.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
It does kind of make light political
talk kinda easy as a Lefty this year. Most of my friends are Democrats but there are a couple of Republicans. I use that term for these as they've never been Tea Party bigoted loons, but they're all diehards in that this is the way their parents voted, the way they vote, and they really don't wish to even think about it. I don't believe one of them will vote Trump. They know my politics so we usually can't even bring politics up. But this year, all I gotta say is I'm not voting Hillary and all tension dissolves! We don't go much farther, mind you, unless they allow it and one of them agreed with most of Bernie's positions and admitted it. They're voting Libertarian and one may actually vote Giant Meteor, or write it in. They're as disgusted by the spectacle of this election as I am, and for many of the same reasons.
As for my Democratic friends though, their decision is much harder. Some will undoubtedly vote for the Shill. I try to make my case against her where I can, and I have not gotten much real pushback when I do. But Trump scares them more still.
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
All of this is pure hogwash. If they really didn't want Trump
they would have tried to stop the theft of the primary from Bernie. They didn't and now they're crying. And those tears don't mean a damn thing. [And that goes for Obama, too.]
Lefties of all stripes said for months that Hillary would have a hard time defeating The Donald. We told them. They didn't listen. Worse than that, they attacked us for saying so.
Phooey on them.
I realize that people in hell would really like a glass of icewater but I would really like to get 35% of the vote for Jill.
Life is strong. I'm weak, but Life is strong.
trump is showing them just how bad Hillary is
it's unbelievable that, that jackass is even close.
It'd be amusing
To hear the conversations that go on in the belly of the beast explaining that one to themselves. God, they deserve it.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
Just remember that no matter what happens
You will be at fault, yes you all on your lonesome, never mind the other 70%+ that don't vote for her one way or another
Golly
I never had so much power before. I hope I don't let it get to my head or I'll have to make the doors bigger.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
heh
Yes!!!! This means I finally get to shout something I have
wanted to since I was kid....
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dJolYw8tnk]
Since we on the left are so powerful maybe the fucking DNC should take that into consideration in 2020, because they sure shot themselves in the foot for this one.
However, since this IS the DNC we are talking about I don't expect any lessons to be learned, just blame and projection.
Good, let them blame us. I would GLADLY wear a badge of honor saying I helped keep a candidate from office that is a known liar, a thief and bought and paid for by those that are dismantling our freedoms and nation.
Screw them and the corrupt horse they rode in on.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
That is made of awesome.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Funny. I voted for Ralph Nader in '08 and would do it again.
Especially knowing what I know now. To my shame I fell into that ol' fashioned fear trap in 2012 with Obama and Romney the blatant sociopath.
This year, I'm voting for Stein just as I voted for Nader in '08. I won't make the same mistake I made in '12 ever again. I've voted in elections local and national since 2002 and this year is the worst I've ever seen in terms of the mainstream. So as far as the duopoly goes, they can drop dead.
Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.
Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.
In VT we can write in and it gets counted
That's all I ever expect from my vote, some don't even get that democratic nicety any more.
In the end I will probably still write in Bernie Sanders if not him, Jill.
I'm in Vermont, too
And am writing in Bernie.
I found myself wondering yesterday what will happen here. I'd assumed VT would go all in for Her Majesty, but then I recalled that she wasn't even viable in the primary -- what did she get, 11% or something?
It will be interesting to see.
Wouldn't it be cool if Jill takes VT?
Cooler still if those few electoral votes block either of the Dismal Duo from 270....
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
If Ralph Nader were running against Trump
Trump would be cowering in a hole right now, waiting for the election to be over so we can't see any more of his ugliness.
Beware the bullshit factories.
Blaming us for Hillary's loss won't work
They'll be forced, despite all their tantrums and protestations, to finally take a really critical look at themselves and their self-destructive hubris and corruption. Blaming us will fall on completely flat ears no matter how big their megaphone is.
Beware the bullshit factories.
It doesn't matter how flat our ears are.
They're pathologically incapable of looking at themselves critically, it will always be someone else's fault as far as they're concerned.
Economic: -9.13, Social: -8.56
It's hard to justify let alone
write this BS when her heinous has an unfavorable rating reaching the stratosphere, yet still it will be our fault she's not elected. So if it is my vote that keeps her out, I'll proudly wear that badge on my shoulder
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
Hillary was literally crowing about the debate
I can't recall anyone ever doing that except maybe a high school forensics winner. You let your surrogates say how smashing you were.
Her behavior is like Hubris walking up to a sleeping Nemesis and giving her a good kick and saying, Hey! Wake up!
" “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR "
It's her time and she is for us
Scuse me...I cant...type..... it is too hysterical.......';lsoja n80quj; nujqk
Someone here
I can't remember who, in order to give due credit, aptly summed her campaign slogan as: "Not us, Me."
Al Gore trounced Bush Jr. in their debates
Hillz and her minions would be well advised to remember that. Everyone thought Junior was far too stupid to have any chance of winning against former VP Gore, who was an obviously smarter and better qualified candidate. Whoops. Never underestimate the public's capacity to choose "stupid and folksy" over condescension and arrogance.
Wed, 09/28/2016 - 12:39pm —
Wed, 09/28/2016 - 12:39pm — Phoebe Loosinhouse
Oooooo, what a lovely thought! I do hope that Nemesis would already feeling kinda snarly about her, like the rest of us.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Fixed that for you.
You Can Smell The Stench
Of FearOn The NYT Editorial BoardFrom the depths of history
mea culpa, mea culpa, mea máxima culpa.
through my fault, through my fault,
through my most grievous fault;
therefore I ask blessed Mary ever-Virgin,
all the Angels and Saints,
and you, my brothers and sisters,
to pray for me to the Lord our God
I actually liked being an Alter Boy. Too bad it was all BS.
Let's leave it to Chief Dan George. "Endeavor to Persevere". "Then we declared war."
Prof: Nancy! I’m going to Greece!
Nancy: And swim the English Channel?
Prof: No. No. To ancient Greece where burning Sapho stood beside the wine dark sea. Wa de do da! Nancy, I’ve invented a time machine!
Firesign Theater
Stop the War!
Marie Louise is a catholic and very good at that we go to mass
quite often, I am warned beforehand not to get sarcastic, actually I find it pretty relaxing, I take her to temple every now and then.
Marie Louise is a catholic and very good at that we go to mass
quite often, I am warned beforehand not to get sarcastic, actually I find it pretty relaxing, I take her to temple every now and then.
Voting...
people make it sound like there's an actual election about to happen despite all the fraud
There is no election. There's not even a choice.
Being told to choose between shit or shit is not a choice. Choosing just one of two is not a choice it's an ultimatum. A demand.
Americans have been so dumbed down they don't know the difference between shit and shit but they think they can vote on either...
"Love One Another" ~ George Harrison
The election part is optics
What Hill et al are chasing is a cover story. It's not that they can't just rig it however they want, but they want it to be plausible; they want a lot of people believing it's real.
The level of revolt--even though it's mostly taking the form of quiet, disgusted withdrawal--makes it hard for them to preserve their optics. That's why their knickers are in a twist.
Also, their propaganda isn't working the way they expected, and that vexes them.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Exactly, but if there was a
Exactly, but if there was a landslide for (please, some last-minute Bernie miracle! or) Jill, with Hill somehow 'winning', cheating could be proven and the people refuse to accept a cheated-in corporate servant and make this plain.
I'm darned sure that the corporate overlords are not going to kindly walk back their hostile take-over once it's gone through and the next corporate-appointed President validates rather than repudiating it. Then they make our domestic law to suit themselves and their maximized profits, not us expendables, in our countries.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Just saw this Guardian article
which if even modestly true in their figures then there is no way that the Johnson/Stein poll numbers are anywhere what they claim them to be.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/20/clinton-hasnt-won-...
Hillary Clinton is having a harder time beating Donald Trump than she bargained for. According to a recent poll, a staggering 44% of millennials say they’ll be voting for either Green party candidate Jill Stein or Libertarian Gary Johnson. The chief reason for Clinton’s dip in these polls is not – as Barack Obama claimed on Sunday – that she’s a woman (though sexism does have a lot to answer for). It’s because Clinton has assumed a third of the electorate – millennials – would vote for her out of fear of her opponent.
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
Good article and very true.
Millennials want to vote FOR something. I want to vote FOR something! In the case of her heinous and herr drumpf, one is voting for NOTHING because it is a vote AGAINST the other.
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
I'm counting on the millennials
it's a generation that keeps on impressing me.
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
The money quote from that article
She is the candidate of the Status Quo, nothing more, nothing less.
Exactly right, she is the "status quo"
and brings absolutely nothing else to the table
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
Let us hope that Stein's and Johnson's alleged poll numbers
remain where they are, and maybe the Clintonkultura will forget to rig the voting machines against Johnson or Stein.
Mary Bennett
Fine, they are welcome to blame me. If I have that much power,
then they better start listening to what I want.
Otherwise I'm going to keep on making their shitty candidates lose from now on.
Too late, I have already
Too late, I have already Demexited, got my new voter registration card for non-affiliated and will be voting for Jill in my state come November. Jill needs more support and folks voting en masse may get her what she needs if not for this year, then 2020. (even if I don't make it that long), I just hate this false "choice" of the duopoly the Oligarchy is running.
We need a nice number of parties, I say 5-7, not just 2 that are simply wings of the Corporatocracy.
So long, and thanks for all the fish
A truly righteous and spot-on rant! Thank you!
I could write a book about the media malpractice we've witnessed this election cycle. But, I don't even have time to read (many) blog posts nor write comments about them these days. (Essentially, I'm working my ass off, and have been most of the year.) That being said, I couldn't resist commenting here. LaFeminista, because your post is so damn spot-on, I hope you'll consider sending this along to the "Public Editor" at the NYT: https://www.google.com/#q=Public+Editor+NY+Times
In any event, MANY thanks for this most eloquent and on-point rant. Truly wonderful!
"Freedom is something that dies unless it's used." --Hunter S. Thompson
Hiya darlin, good to see you around
Sorry that I've been a stranger...
...but, I've got to say--above and beyond the fact that I've been continually preoccupied/swamped with work and personal stuff for most of the year; hence, even when I was blogging over at ToP up until a few months ago, it was mostly authorized reprints of blogging "friends'" work--it's been a very productive year for yours truly.
Some day--hopefully, before the holidays hit--I will write about the shameful/pathetic and downright Kafkaesque actions of DKos' management with regard to yours truly. (Aforesaid "treatment" being fully documented, too.) Like virtually everything else there these days, they just make shit up out of whole cloth and treat it as if it has some significant bearing in reality.
Meanwhile, with what little time I do have to myself these days, I've done at least a few minutes of lurking here most weeks. But, your post today was truly excellent, LaFeminista. So, here I am.
In the words of Ahhnold: "I'll be back."
In the meantime, keep doing what you're doing!
Love it!
TTFN
P.S.--No guarantees at this point, but over the next few months I WILL try to check-in a little more often 'round here.
In the meantime: "Get It On!" (Brian Culbertson, who's been in "the business" for well over 20 years--but who's just started his very first, real, 40-city, bigtime concert "tour" with his band this week--but is only in his early 40s, has a new cd/album coming out on Friday, simply titled "Funk!" He's one of my "top-ten, all-time faves!")
Here's an Instagram snippet from him, last night in Bend, Oregon (Tonight he's in Sacramento. Thursday through Sunday he's at Yoshi's in Oakland, CA. Possibly, his favorite venue. But, he'll be somewhere near just about everyone in the U.S. between now and Thanksgiving): https://www.instagram.com/p/BK6N8GHg3zo/
So, again C99P, Get It On! (I absolutely can't get enough of this music! That's Dave Kos--"Kos," how appropos--playing sax with him like you've probably never seen Dave Kos play sax before. And, that's Ray Parker, Jr. on guitar.)
Get It On (feat. Dave Kos)
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vWEa-ydr7A]
Back In The Day & So Good (feat. Eric Darius)
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCopcNpzc60]
On My Mind (feat. Ray Parker Jr.)
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCw-vcq2n4k]
(easily, one of the best instrumental slow jams of this century)
This is Culbertson's first real personal "tour," ever. And again, it's in support of his new cd/album: "Funk!" His latest album is a sequel to his 2008 album: "Bringing Back The Funk" produced by legendary producer Maurice White (i.e.: Earth, Wind & Fire, etc.). Here's my favorite cut from that (featuring Bootsy Collins) "Funkin' Like My Father"...
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCwtI9A_69Q]
Thanks again, LaFeminista! Until next time...
"Freedom is something that dies unless it's used." --Hunter S. Thompson
Thanks for the music!
Bobswern-
Thanks!
Just sent these links to my buddy in Marin,
hopefully he will make it to Yoshi's for one of
the shows ~
Peace -
Murph
My favorite statistic
In 2004 both Republican and Democratic candidates were members of the secret society Skull and Bones. Skull and Bones accepts a maximum of fifteen new members every year. Bush and Kerry.
The game is rigged. Always has been.
Good to see you here bobswern.
Shame you're working as hard as you are that it precludes you from writing more.
Miss your voice during this bizarre epoch of Big Fear, brazen corruption and Emperor's New Clothes alternate universe. Refuse to ever go back to that pestilent Neoliberal cesspool. So as far as I'm know you're not commenting or writing essays on blogs at all.
"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:
THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"
- Kurt Vonnegut
Upvoted for
"pestilent Neoliberal cesspool". That's fucking gold.
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone
Reminiscent of "a wretched hive of
scum and villainy."
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Thanks, fond of it myself.
Was my go-to when chucking bricks at lapdog douchebags like bbb, dhonig, tuffie (whatever their names were) and all the rest of the Neoliberal Hillary High School Cheerleader Klatch.
Use it liberally, if you please
"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:
THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"
- Kurt Vonnegut
great post LaFem, I like to apply critiques like these to
our team. One question you posed I think we need to answer ourselves in order to progress as a movement.
The reason they lose?
We are brilliant at critiquing other parties and movements but we need to figure out why we lose.
We can start with the same answer you gave above -
"We don't convince" but why?
How can we sell this movement beyond the fringe? ,
We nearly did with Bernie, it was damn close when
considering the forces aligned to stop it happening. Next time it will be closer still, if we don't lose heart, Bernie showed it can be done.
Bernie showed that it can be done from within and I agree.
Nobody before/since Lincoln proved it can be done from the fringe.
We need a power vacuum in order for a fringe candidate like Stein to emerge. That will only happen with another Civil War.
Civil War makes power vacuums a la the Mad Bomber
If we do have a civil war, do not expect the current Constitution to survive. It's been pretty much obliterated by the Patriot Act, Citizens United, unauthorized wars, murder of innocent foreign civilians, sovereignty-destroying trade deals. Once the genie of Civil War is out of the bottle, no one can predict the outcome except that it will be unpredictable.
Wed, 09/28/2016 - 6:55pm —
Wed, 09/28/2016 - 6:55pm — Alligator Ed
That's the way it's been framed. The Constitution stands while politicians come and go; these crimes have all been in violation of it, while citizen's rights have been trampled rather than protected throughout America - as is guaranteed in that Constitution - by their public servants, in violation of their oath to uphold the Constitution enshrining the principles and mechanisms of the rights and freedoms of the American people and various limitations of their government. There must be a means of firing the perps which you are simply not being informed of and that representatives refuse to act on because of the weight of corruption in a democratic system set up to essentially run on bribes.
If the law is to be abandoned because criminals do not respect it and those charged with upholding the law fail to enforce it upon more powerful criminals, what then is a solution? Is it not better to try to have such public protections as you still have at long last upheld than to abandon them and... what, hope that the more powerful criminals will come up with something better? That's what they'd like to do, eliminate that last bastion against their 'legalized' destruction.
But the people have to be convinced that the criminals are not law-breakers and oath-breakers, that the criminals do somehow have some mystic ability to trash their country's constitution and their people's rights by creating fraudulent 'law' and circumstances to 'justify' so doing, that they are not criminals for breaking law to create their own self-serving laws against the public interest their office exists to serve.
Because if the people realize that such old tricks have been seen before and that with all Allies under attack from within in their own countries as a result, their lives and chances are in their own hands, this leaves the people to fight their own battle for freedom, civilization/democracy and for their survival, the criminals being outnumbered by far more than 99 to 1.
And leaves them also to hopefully finally realize more universally that nothing positive can be achieved by voting for evil and permitting the results of blatantly faked elections to stand as 'done deals', time and again.
As far as civil war goes, I'll hope it doesn't come to that, although the Greeds aren't leaving any other option and evidently have learnt nothing from the people of invaded countries continuing to fight the invaders with fingernails, if nothing else remains - with the great military machines finding themselves unable to suppress them, even when they have nothing left to lose, by the standards of the Greeds.
I suspect, however, that a good human portion of the massive American war machine might be more likely to remember their loyalty to their country and Constitution - not to mention their families and friends back home - than the criminals might like to think.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
We lose because of the following:
1)The corporate press
2)Election fraud
That's why we lose elections. When we're able to overcome #1, as we were starting to with Bernie, they ratchet up #2 to shut us down. And the legal system more or less belongs to them, so we have no recourse after they commit the offense.
What blows my mind is how many people around here think we are "the fringe" when 55-60% of the population agrees with us about Hillary Clinton, and about Donald Trump, and about corruption; when it comes to issues, the polls show majorities agreeing with progressive/left positions on almost every issue.
This isn't 1968 or 1972. We're not facing an American majority rallying behind Nixon. This isn't 1980 or 1984. We're not facing an American majority rallying behind Reagan. It's not the 90s, and we're not facing a relaxed and complacent American majority that has decided Clinton is a good guy and we really were too far left all those years.
This is not my mom's youth, nor mine. People have been pretty much fed up since 2005. Nothing in the past 11 years has made them less fed up, or more supportive of the status quo. They rallied behind Obama, not because he supported the status quo, but because he successfully tricked them into thinking he didn't.
This isn't a fringe, we're not in the minority, and our challenge is not "how to get through to all those people who don't agree with us." We have a majority on our side, a large one, and it's solid on many, many issues--but that majority has no power, no organization, and fewer resources than its opponents. That said, the resources we have are a lot greater than I thought, and could be put to very good use, but--
there's no really efficient or well-developed way to get the word out to large numbers of people
And--
Here's the only psychological/character problem in the whole mess. Here's what's wrong with the American people's character:
We're willing to shell out 40 to 50 million bucks a month to Bernie because he's a Senator running for President who stands for some things we believe it--BUT we're not willing to shell out 10 million bucks a month to start our own political party, to develop the next generation of independent media, to create arks of resilience around the country, or about 100 other things that would be useful to do with 10 mil/month. But we won't spend it on something like that, because it's invariably somebody we don't know pitching us an idea and asking us to send money, and we get suspicious. Yet, because he's a Senator running for President, Sanders, like all such candidates, can get a lot of people sending money to him. Truth is, he's just as much a stranger to them as I am, and all he's doing is pitching us some ideas. Yet the money flows to him, even from people who have to forego haircuts and cut back on groceries in order to make the donations!
Why don't we value ourselves more?
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Good question.
Maybe the Sanders campaign will allow people to change their way of seeing themselves as groups and of doing politics. Something has to give. I hear too many people saying to me "Jill who?" We need to change this and marginalize the duopoly.
You have a way of putting your finger on important points. I always read what you have to say.
-Greed is not a virtue.
-Socialism: the radical idea of sharing.
-Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
John F. Kennedy, In a speech at the White House, 1962
Thank you, polkageist. :-)
By the way, is polka geist a dancing spirit?
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
You are the first to ask.
The name comes from a Bizarro cartoon of 1/15/16 that made me laugh. It showed two people sitting and talking while a ghost played an accordion nearby. The speech bubble said, "Polkageists are WAY more annoying than the regular kind."
I just thought the name was appropriate because to our corporate masters we are invisible and our demands for equity and kindness must be annoying to them, otherwise why would they act the way they do? So I decided to become a polkageist.
Sorry I couldn't print the cartoon but I'm not sure it would be legal and it doesn't seem to want to just drag and drop.
-Greed is not a virtue.
-Socialism: the radical idea of sharing.
-Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
John F. Kennedy, In a speech at the White House, 1962
That is awesome. :-)
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Damn my work schedule. I only get to reply while you're asleep.
Given that this election cycle was REALLY all about keeping the Moderate Left down, I don't trust any poll results from the MSM regarding the Greens. The NYT lost me when they first started to paint anybody with concerns about computerized vote "counting" as some kind of Luddite crazy. Then more recently, the NYT was bought by a Clinton supporter, and it shows. This is definitely not your parents' NYT, not anymore. Echo-chamber progagandizing isn't the same thing as journalism, but they obviously don't know that. The only reason they're giving Johnson even a nod in passing is that he's a CONSERVATIVE third party candidate, one they're probably hoping takes more votes away from Trump. The Greens will not get a fair shake from any of the RW, corporate media, period.
On that subject, has anybody else noticed the way they keep forgetting to call her DOCTOR Stein? She earned that. They'll keep up with this "Former Secretary Clinton" thing, but keep leaving the "Dr." off the front of Jill Stein. The MSM are a bunch of disrespectful varmints, but I'm sure you all knew that already.
-And as for the notion that I need to keep Trump from winning; no I fucking do not.
If elected, he will get impeached so fast by both party's establishments, it will make your brain spin, throwing sparks the while. The Dems have proven that the last thing on their tiny little minds was defeating Trump, or they wouldn't have cheated the candidate who could be mopping the floor with Trump by now.
Besides, I have suspected for MONTHS now, that the real reason Trump won't release his recent tax records is not that he pays no taxes, it's that it might show payments to him from one of the slimy tentacles of the Clinton Foundation. He's a placeholder. He's not meant to win. He's meant to keep out a Republican challenger that might be able to handily beat Clinton. He is there to fulfill the classic propaganda role of "designated villain".
Trump and Slick Willy were golfing buddies. The Clintons were at Trump's wedding. Donald and Bill both had their phone numbers featured in the little black book of Jeffrey Epstein. Go ahead and tell me that the Trumps and Clintons are bitter enemies. I have a hat to sell you that will completely protect you from climate change.
What I need to do with my vote is let the Democrats know in no uncertain terms that all of their authoritarian, cheating, lying, corrupt, criminal bullshit is NOT forgiven. Not now, not ever. Their propaganda is weak, and we have seen through it. There is no going back.
That "primary" was pure fraud; it was wall-to-wall, and in greater depth than I dreamed ANY bunch of power-hungry psychopaths would stoop to. I signed onto one of the petitions asking Bernie to run in the first place, yet I admitted early on, to a RW friend of mine who had been a Ron Paul supporter, that I thought the Dems would probably give Senator Sanders the "Ron Paul treatment". As beyond the pale as the Republican dirty tricks leveled at Ron Paul and his supporters were, they looked positively amateurish and half-hearted, compared to what the Dems threw at Bernie.
So, yeah, I'm voting Green, because I hope the Dems choke on it. -And maybe partly for the TOS crowd, because I'm a straight white male, and all of us "BernieBros" are sexists and racists. That's why I'm voting for the other woman, and the black guy; that would be, the candidates with no felony criminal charges pending. That would be, the felony criminal charges you won't be able to read about in the NYT.
"Capitalism is the extraordinary belief that the nastiest of men for the nastiest of motives will somehow work for the benefit of all."
- John Maynard Keynes
Well said.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Oh yes. Well said indeed. n/t
-Greed is not a virtue.
-Socialism: the radical idea of sharing.
-Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
John F. Kennedy, In a speech at the White House, 1962
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