THE Debate

Last night's debate was supposed to be the most watched televised event, second only to the really important U.S. televised spectacle, the Super Bowl (with or without wardrobe malfunction). I don't know if those numbers were achieved, but I did not watch the debate. I did, however, catch a chunk of a rerun of the debate.

The post debate online polls showed Hillary to be the winner. Of course, Hillary's fans mocked that kind of post-debate poll throughout the primary when Sanders won them, but are preening about them now. That is another example that they, like the Her with whom they are, have only one consistent principle: realization of Hillary's desire to be the first woman President. I can respect flexibility and compromise, but not total absence of consistent principles. But, I digress:

These are my "undeep," sometimes hyperbolic impressions of THE Debate last night:

Lester Holt, who is usually mild as milquetoast, interrupted Trump, hectored him, and contradicted him. He coddled Hillary, not even bringing up her "little" server/email issue (though Trump did) or the Clinton Foundation morass or the DNC's improprieties on her behalf or any of the irregularities of the primary. Trump also claims that his mike was not working in the room, that it was cutting in and out and crackling, while hers was perfect. (On air, it sounded fine, but I take The Donald at his word because why would anyone in politics lie?)

Hillary, I thought, came across like a cocky seventh grader, preening, smirking and calling names. She said things like, Go ahead and join the debate by saying more crazy things. Trump did not give an outstanding performance either. He could have, and should have, done much better, but, at the very least, he did not stoop to that level.

Moreover, I think he got her in a way she never got him. He said she has been in politics for 30 years. She said fewer, but, actually, she has been in politics since she got out of law school and her husband was first elected Governor thirty-seven years ago (but who's counting?), after a stint as AG. So, what are her accomplishments? Words without deeds don't impress me much. Still, the best things she is even saying now are the things on which Sanders campaigned, the ones she and her disciples often pooh poohed as unachievable. After all her years in politics, however many they are, why is she only now coming up with proposed solutions? Incredibly, she had nothing to rebut this other than to quibble (as I have) with his number of years.

Despite my impressions, the meme from establishment media is and will be that she performed impeccably. Really? Say more crazy things is impeccable? Scusi, but I could not disagree more. I would not allow or respect that in a debate for student government president in middle school.

Above all, I again curse Thing One and Thing Two for giving us these two wretched candidates. If this election is not a conclusive argument for more political parties, a more open process and a less biased mainstream media, I don't know what would be.

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Oldest Son Of A Sailor's picture

When it comes to a choice between Clinton or Trump...
What difference does it make?

I'll just go with edited sound bites on YouTube for the good stuff to save time...
From what I've heard $hillary didn't collapse and twitch on the floor or blow out green chunks so I won't bother searching just yet... I have more important things to do...

The cream will probably rise to the top by next weekend...

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I'm the only person standing between Richard Nixon and the White House."

~John F. Kennedy~
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Alex Ocana's picture

I missed the very first part of the walking dead bore-fest (see my essay) and fell asleep somewhere between sound bites. But, particularly in the first part of the debate (when I was awake) her eyes were uncontrollably twitching all over the place and crossed at times. I believe she needs to continuously wiggle her head back and forth to keep from going into seizure mode. I tried move my eyes like that and failed. In fact, watching it made me dizzy.

Trump's eyes were closed to narrow slits but at least were steady.

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From the Light House.

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What the heck was she doing with her eyes? I tried doing it, too, and it made my brain feel weird. After about 10 minutes, I gave up and went for a hike. Between the smirky smirk and the eyes, it was just too revolting.

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Hell is empty and all the devils are here. William Shakespeare

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The oil will rise to the top.

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Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.

spectacle.

(I am just now listening to Granholm claiming "Hillary does not have the stamina to be President" is sexist. Apparently, by Granholm, "stamina" has something to do with broad shoulders and testosterone. How embarrassing for Hillary that her surrogates have to say fake crap like that to make sure they play the misogyny card daily!)

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I could hear it as my wife stay tuned.

If people were smart, they would turn to me for predictions on events like this. I predicted they would both give absolutely horrid - lied filled presentations. Short of feinting on stage, the MSM would pronounce Hillary the winner. Watch now as she gets a modest 4 or 5 point bump in the post debate polls. This bump will be salted away once Americans see her preening and gloating about how wonderful she is.

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I hope not.

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skod's picture

And I'm here to declare in front of Gawdhisownself and everybody that I was wrong: I would have lost significant money on a bet on my belief that no debate would happen. It amazes me that they were able to speedball her upright for 90 minutes, but so it goes. Perhaps Big Pharma donated more than just money.

I now am quite convinced that the polling is wrong: there are no undecideds. Those who want to vote for the Mad Bomber will do so. Those who want to vote for The Hairy Cheeto will do so. Those like me who want to vote for someone else will do so. Nobody is going to change their minds at this point. Those who are breathlessly reported as "undecided" by the pollsters very likely will stay home, since there's nothing much to choose from for the people who only pay attention after labor day: they'll never hear about anyone other than Tweedledum and Tweedledee, except perhaps as a sideshow to the circus. The pollsters need to poll for "couldn't fucking care any less", instead of "undecided", since that would be much more representative of the electorate.

What the hell. Since I've already been hugely wrong several times this cycle, I'll stick my neck out again: turnout isn't going to break 50%. Looking forward to my vote-by-mail ballot to show up. I'll fill it in that day and drop it at the county offices to be ignored, because fuck this shit. No smiley.

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fwiw. will never forgive Nader for fucking that up Wink

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skod's picture

too many years since reading the original source. Mea culpa.

Did just see an amusing new moniker for Trump, though: MangoMussolini. Gotta remember that one.

One last Public Service Message: just checked my voter registration status again, to see if I'd been "accidentally" purged since reregistering Green after my #DemExit. Nope, I'm still registered- so looks like they'll have to flip my vote after I cast it. There are still a few more weeks in which they can screw with the rolls, though. The Colorado Secretary of State web site makes it easy to check- other states may be as easy, or much harder.

In Colorado, the deadline for online and mail registration is Oct. 31, but you can register in person right up until Nov. 8, to correct any discrepancies that might somehow arise. So I'll be checking my status right up until I drop my ballot off at the county to be "counted". And even a couple of times afterwards, in case someone decides to jettison me after my vote is cast- that would be amusing, wouldn't it.

I have no, and I do mean zero, confidence in this process. To hell with trust: verify! Speaking strictly for myself, I'd recommend that everybody else stay on top of their status to prevent any surprises there (or at least to be aware of them)...

http://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-in-your-state/

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If you can get a printout showing your party registration status, stick it in the envelope with your absentee ballot.

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The mail-in ballots hereabouts come with dire warnings that if the instructions on how to stuff the ballot into the "privacy sleeve" and thence into the outer envelope aren't followed to the letter, the ballot will be invalidated. I'd pretty much guarantee that inserting something additional in there would send it right into the trash, at least here in Colorado. Your state and county may differ.

I personally would keep my documentation close at hand, carefully timestamped, but would not put it into that envelope for that reason. But if you haven't figured out that I am paranoid about this yet, you haven't been paying attention.... (;-)

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skod's picture

but when I get something wrong, I like to own up to it. It's a character flaw... Besides, I just corrected that when I reposted a bit of that comment to WoTB. (;-)

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Cachola's picture

I forbid you from using the delicious mango to allude to the hairball. Wink

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Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.

skod's picture

I'm allowed! Have EpiPen, will travel... (;-)

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Damnit Janet's picture

Lots of school kids this new year were unable to provide two epipens to enter school.

I know,,, way off topic, but something I can talk about other than the shitty debate between pig and warpig.

Biggrin

And I love Manilla Mangoes.

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"Love One Another" ~ George Harrison

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You are allowed. Sorry she has to deal with a severe allergy. My son developed a sudden allergy to shrimp and we had a very scary episode.

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Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.

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to highlight what a Crazy racist, misogynist bastard Trump is. Yet steered clear of any/all Clinton scandals and controversy.

Not a fan of Trump so fine, show what a whacko he is. But Holt gave Hellery a pass on virtually all her negatives.

Look at some of these questions pulled from the transcript

- HOLT: Mr. Trump, we’re talking about the burden that Americans have to pay, yet you have not released your tax returns. And the reason nominees have released their returns for decades is so that voters will know if their potential president owes money to — who he owes it to and any business conflicts. Don’t Americans have a right to know if there are any conflicts of interest?

- The share of Americans who say race relations are bad in this country is the highest it’s been in decades, much of it amplified by shootings of African-Americans by police, as we’ve seen recently in Charlotte and Tulsa. Race has been a big issue in this campaign, and one of you is going to have to bridge a very wide and bitter gap.

- HOLT: Your two — your two minutes expired, but I do want to follow up. Stop-and-frisk was ruled unconstitutional in New York, because it largely singled out black and Hispanic young men.

- HOLT: Secretary Clinton, last week, you said we’ve got to do everything possible to improve policing, to go right at implicit bias. Do you believe that police are implicitly biased against black people?

- HOLT: Mr. Trump, for five years, you perpetuated a false claim that the nation’s first black president was not a natural-born citizen. You questioned his legitimacy. In the last couple of weeks, you acknowledged what most Americans have accepted for years: The president was born in the United States. Can you tell us what took you so long?

- HOLT: I will let you respond. It’s important. But I just want to get the answer here. The birth certificate was produced in 2011. You’ve continued to tell the story and question the president’s legitimacy in 2012, ’13, ’14, ’15…

- HOLT: Mr. Trump, this year Secretary Clinton became the first woman nominated for president by a major party. Earlier this month, you said she doesn’t have, quote, “a presidential look.” She’s standing here right now. What did you mean by that?

Trump brought up the issue of Clinton emails, so Holt asked Hellery if she wanted to respond. Clinton emails was not a scheduled debate question.

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Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.

started the birther movement.

Also, Hillary was allowed to walk back calling the TPP the gold standard until she started running for President 2016 in earnest. However, Trump was not allowed to walk back the off the cuff remark on Howard Stern's show about the Iraq War, even though he took that back years ago.

The absence of any Clinton Foundation questions from Holt was quite telling as well.

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And I will not be surprised to learn out later that Hellery got a preview of the questions. Hell, maybe the questions came directly from her campaign. I no longer rule out any criminal possibility.

And the way Holt kept pounding Trump on the "Obama birther" question was making me laugh -- it was that obvious. Did we really need to spend 15 mins on that shit? Smile

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Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

Clinton represents the corporate status-quo middle and so steers her points there, while Trump (representing a different faction of the oligarchy) often enough goes full-on wacko so that he can throw big bloody chunks of red meat to the Hannity-Limbaugh-Breitbart crowd that forms his shock troops. Holt also represents the corporate middle, so of course his questions and remarks will reflect that.

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is in bed with Clinton. Big media, Big capital, divisive identity politics, bait and switch electioneering - they're all their for their figurehead candidate.

Whatta year!

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"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"

ggersh's picture

the story of who, what,our government now stands for.

http://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2016/09/26/the-2016-presidential-election-c...

Hillary Clinton

@HillaryClinton

Not a single living president has endorsed Donald Trump. http://hrc.io/2dtsbE1

The message from the above tweet says it all. She’s not running merely as a continuation of Obama’s last eight years, she’s running as a continuation of the last 40. A period during which median wages in real terms have barely budged, while income inequality has exploded. A period during which financialization has hollowed out America’s economy, while a handful of people reaped enormous wealth via labor arbitrage as they shipped manufacturing overseas. A period during which we have seen pointless war after pointless war, all in the pursuit of an enemy largely created by America’s imperial foreign policy in the first place. In other words, it hasn’t been a very good forty years for the average American. Nevertheless, it took a very long time for the public to figure it out, just like the boiling frog doesn’t get that it’s cooked until too late

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I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish

"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"

Heard from Margaret Kimberley

In the Oval Office in the last forty or so years: First, a Southern, fiscally conservative Democratic President who was a good man, but a fan of deregulation and who dismantled FDR's Bankruptcy Act, four years. Republicans Reagan, Poppy and Lesser Bush, twenty years. New Democrat Clinton, who eviscerated FDR's welfare program and went after FDR's Social Security program, eight years. New Democrat Obama, who put Social Security and Medicare on the table, eight years. Democrats 22, Republicans 20.

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but they have that one thing in common, their contempt for the American people.

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I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish

"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"

Heard from Margaret Kimberley

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doth turn the stomach.

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Further to the issue of lack of principle that my blog entry mentioned briefly, when Republicans complimented Sanders during the primary, Hillary's fans were, or pretended to be (hard to tell which) aghast. Now that they are endorsing Hillary and she is using them in her ads, they cheer.

Their hypocrisy turneth my stomach and raiseth my gorge.

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gendjinn's picture

The Michelle Obama/GWB picture reminds me of all those cousins in WW1 slaughtering millions in their intra-family squabble.

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I guess we know on which side they lie.

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I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish

"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"

Heard from Margaret Kimberley

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There is no justice. There can be no peace.

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she lives with one too.

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I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish

"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"

Heard from Margaret Kimberley

Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

on the backs of disenfranchised Black voters.

I was shocked.

Even now.

If it had been Obama himself, maybe I wouldn't have been as shocked. But she wasn't raised by the white upper-middle class. She damned well knows what Bush did to Black people, and what it would mean to be on the other end of that.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

gendjinn's picture

her senatorial campaign.

The library and return to Chicago are odd choices otherwise.

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ggersh's picture

the CBC and all this election cycle has thrown me for a loop. Why would the CBC go with clinton unless they're bought and paid for.

The Obama don't surprise me whatsoever in their actions to please and assimilate with the 1% and elite of the country. Obama doesn't shy away
at all in his admiration of Reagan and after his first day on the job with regards to he picked and the looking forward bit it was clear as can be he
was reagan, 41, clinton, 43 the 5th.

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I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish

"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"

Heard from Margaret Kimberley

Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

Did not achieve the Presidency specifically and explicitly by destroying Black people's right to vote.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

ggersh's picture

while Obama in his own mind just wants to be loved. Since he took office he hasn't done anything I can close to remembering for any minority. If anything he's taken the clinton approach toward them all, so I'm also with you in thinking WJC told trump to run for prez, it just makes even more sense as that could be the only way her heinous had a chance of retaining the minority vote, trump the foil.

Sorry if I'm rambling on.*help* Help

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I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish

"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"

Heard from Margaret Kimberley

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on the cover of Newsweek was in 2010, Michelle Obama hugging George W. Bush is just way, way worse.

Rambling? Never do that, myself. Blum 3

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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Diablo Diablo Diablo Diablo Diablo Diablo Diablo Diablo

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I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
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"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"

Heard from Margaret Kimberley

average worker since Carter. The wage earners are treading water if lucky, sinking if unlucky, while the favored few yuck it up behind their gates that keep the riffraff out.

An issue that gets crowded out, is the rubber stamp Boards of Directors of major corporation and the big bucks these people get for just showing up.

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"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"


(Geithner present, but out of camera range)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-06/we-made-it-wider-hank-paulson-b...


(At the memorial service for Nancy Reagan)


(At a memorial service for five Dallas cops)

And they do their best to condition us to hate Republicans!

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"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"

join forces with OUR Republican peers to fight for things like clean air and water or economic justice.

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If people aren't fed up then they are willing to just be the slaves of this political shitfest.

Time for the 99% to rise up.

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"Love One Another" ~ George Harrison

Gotta point out that in that last pic, the blushing Bush looks (with tightly crossed legs and arms crossed over his lap) highly protective of his testicles, an apparent concern which Michelle's expression somehow gives credence to. Wishful thinking on my part, I suppose.

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

I will follow him on the twitter.

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O.k. When is the next meeting for the revolution?
-FuturePassed on Sunday, November 25, 2018 10:22 p.m.

living former presidents. The law of large numbers doesn't exactly apply.

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

They practically wrapped Trump in glittered gift paper, put a shiny bow on him and handed him to her as her opponent. Why would they abandon her now?

Thanks for the comment, duckpin.

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gendjinn's picture

Why would it be any different this cycle just because the GOP candidate is running under a Dem banner?

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The Democratic Party was in such a shambles after the Civil War (some states still hadn't been readmitted to the political process) that they couldn't field a candidate of their own, so they poached the chosen candidate of the Liberal Republican splinter party.

Unfortunately that was Horace Greeley, he was up against the incumbent Ulysses S. Grant, and his health completely failed in November 1872. He died after the election but before the electoral votes were officially tallied. (Since he lost, it wound up not mattering - but it's interesting how the electors scattered their votes.)

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There is no justice. There can be no peace.

will get a retirement package of $125+Million even though the bank has been found guilty of chiseling its customers and is facing a multi-billion dollar lawsuit from those who claim to have been defrauded. To me, this is the business-as-usual that Clinton represents and it's no surprise that the leaders of smash-and-grab capitalism are all in favor of her becoming president.

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"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"

Which means, I shall likely steal it.

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it? When your business model is "anything the government let's me do" and the government let's Big Capital do virtually anything without criminal penalty, why spend the extra money hiding the cheating.

"If the cops don't see me, I didn't do it"

[I copyright nothing - you are welcome to it : ) ]

Thanks.

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"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"

She was Divisional Senior Executive VP at Wells Fargo. Not President, not CEO, not CFO, not an investor.

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was in charge of the area of customer sales and set quotas for the bank workers in that department and turned a blind eye to the bogus accounts that were being created and milked for fees. Over 5000 have been fired, not a small number even for Wells Fargo.

A telling point is that the bank knew of these unethical practice since no later than 2014 and said and did nothing.

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Roy Blakeley's picture

Jill Stein was also given a chance to answer the questions Holt presented. I thought Trump did OK in the bits I saw in that his answers were likely to appeal to those that actually might be thinking of voting for him. I am not sure the debate will sway more than about 10 people, however. As someone said upthread everyone has made up his or her mind. The electorate divides into the Hillary haters, the Trump haters, the so disgusted with the main parties that they are voting third party, and the so disgusted they are staying home.

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skod's picture

Just taking this opportunity to quote the O/P. That is all...

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difference, doesn't it?


I think the ruffle makes all the difference, don't you?

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debates start. The majority have made up their minds, yes, because the majority vote along party lines. However, political posters should never assume most Americans are like them. Conventional wisdom is that most Americans don't pay attention until after Labor Day.

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I thought she did a good job.

Today, at this site:
http://www.democracynow.org/2016/9/27/expanding_the_debate_jill_stein_de...
there is part 1 and part 2 where Democracy Now inserts Jill in between the Other Two. They've actually created a real debate.

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Life is strong. I'm weak, but Life is strong.

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Thanks so very much for that link. I'd expected Jill to come up with solid answers/solutions as opposed to the corporate/billionaire candidates, so no surprise either there or as to why they did not want her in the official debate.

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

some youtubes of Julian Assange yesterday and I'm beginning to lose faith. He says he will drop the bomb on clinton and it will be yuge. Maybe he's waiting to see how this joke of a debate turned out. Or maybe he's cutting a deal. Anyway, even with a release of something damning I'm sure the media will let it slide off her back....

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I wish he would have dropped it during the primary. Still, better late than never.

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Considering the number of damning Hillary-related things the media's let slide already, I doubt there's any limit to that - it has to be the people finally voting for survival, rather than the corporate two-party trade-off evils, and taking this last chance to refuse to accept the results of electoral cheating as a done deal that dooms them and the rest of us to a destructive and ultimately fatal-to-life-on-Earth-within decades-at-most corporate serfdom.

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

Not Henry Kissinger's picture

His performance wasn't great and he missed a lot opportunities. (Needed a good line about her emails, shouldn't have tied them to taxes.) Long winded answers when a single line would be more effective (e.g. on birther, "You started the birther rumor Hillary!"). Rambled on about his negatives (taxes) when he should have shut up and let them move on.

Still, for a first debate he established his stature vis a vis Hillary, looking at least as Presidential as she did (which isn't saying much but hey, everything's relative). His best moments were on NAFTA (where he had her stammering) and inner city crime. I don't agree with his prescription for the latter, and the thought of Rudy running DHS gives me the willies, but he came across as someone who wants to do something about all the shootings rather than just tut-tut how we all just need to get along.

Hillary succeeded in making it through without falling over, which in the MSM eyes means she'll be the bestest President EVAH! She landed some personal hits on taxes and bankruptcies, but her timing on these was ill placed, typically coming after Trump's answers on big national issues. Made her look churlish and petty. Her own answers to actual issues were far less specific and ethereal than her pointed attacks on Trump himself.

Regardless of what national polls say about the debate, I think Trump won with the voters he needed to reach, rustbelt voters who have been the biggest victims of globalism. That doesn't just mean whites. Polling shows his critique of the problems in Black and Hispanic communities that have voted Democratic for decades is already cutting into Hillary's lead, because people in these places know better than anyone how violent crime is destroying their communities. Trump was at his most coherent on this topic, and a lot of more conservative Hispanics and Blacks will appreciate his tough talk about getting guns off the streets.

All in all, Trump came across as someone who is passionate about changing the way things are done. Whatever you think about his solutions (and I'm more than dubious), he is clearly offering something different while Hillary is just more of the same. Especially this year, more of the same doesn't cut it.

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The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?

Your signature line is perfection!

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Who thought Trump's question about what Hillary and the rest of the politicians in D.C have done in the last 30 years was the only truthful thing anyone said. They also didn't watch the entire 90 mins and from what they saw, they thought Trump won.

It made me wonder how many others out there didn't watch the entire debate and also asked themselves what politicians have been doing for the last 30 years?

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There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier

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Trump lives off attacking the media. He first propelled himself when he attacked Kelly for her question about his attitude toward women.

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People mentioned strange things with Hillary's eyes. Well kids, if one has neurological issues, (and your eyes are part of the nervous system), the eyes will exhibit some odd behavior.

As for hos that sham-show was set up, yes, we need wider more open debates, more political parties and not this so called "duopoly" and we need impartial system that allows the parties a voice, not just the big 2

Gotta love the images above showing how much closer to the Hunger Games we are in this nation than many care to admit. The folks of the Capital live in their little bubble and yuck it up at our expense. Sure, some may scheme against each other, but part of their world is to smile and fake it towards those that they despise.

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So long, and thanks for all the fish

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I got an early AM with my newish PCP, she is newish also and a newish mom. Also Asian. That will come up later.

PSA: for anyone with new symptoms, increasing pain, change in "excretory colors", hie thee to an immediate care center, where someone of authority might look at you and order tests in under three hours. The life you save may be your own, or a loved one's.

Dxed Sunday morning by 9AM, I had my primary acute gall bladder symptoms. Me with a precarious alcoholic liver, already acute alcoholic hepatitis once. I never thought of dying, no statement there. But pains there make me feel threat. I had enough US of upper abdomen to know that I had a liver, function capacity unknown. That is what you get. And also prophylactic vaccinnes for HepA . I was also asked, every US, if I had gall bladder symptoms. I have a biology-related PhD so I can read, no. Until Sat night, and maybe for a month before vague symptoms that could mean nothing or death within a month. I had been told my gall bladder was full of gallstones. Nope, asymptomatic like the majority with gall stones. Die with them, not a cause. I also had R arm pain, R back pain, arm pain extending occasionally into my neck. Turns out to be a classic symptom. Good thing I can describe what my body feels.

I saw my Asian PCP, she listens and talks when needed. My son's current partner is the same way. All I got, besides my $20 copay was the 2016 flu vaccine, I am up to date on all vaccines, just need a mammogram for the next 2 years.

SO I see the surgeon Wed aft, who can review the radiologist and my then-bloodwork. And will get my gall bladder extracted. All I can do at home is l have my PCP reassure me that recovery time is minimal from laparoscopic surgery, but she won't guarantee overnight stay and home healing. Such is the crap that singles must plan before an event. And I am 30 years older than my only other lap surgery.

Small hand holding and encouraging words might work. Pix of pets and flowers! And rocks work for me! Sorry, but I find you a sympathetic group of virtual friends.

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Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.

Sending you many giant HUGs and HEALING WISHES, riverlover! May all of your fears turn out to be little ones.

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

Arm pain occasionally extending to the neck is a classic symptom of what?

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