What should Clinton fear?
Well, it's not like I have a lot of respect for Nate Silver but I do find this bit amusing:
9. What would keep me up late at night if I were Clinton?
You mean, other than the fact that the election keeps getting closer every time I look?
As I put it in July: “I’d be worried that Americans come to view the race as one between two equally terrible choices, instead of Trump being uniquely unacceptable.” In particular, I’d be worried that my brand has irrevocably been tarnished with a reputation for dishonesty. Between Trump’s knack for exploiting this weakness (“Crooked Hillary”), the news media’s tendency to frame events as contributing to my honesty and trust problems, and some left-over hard feelings from the primaries — Clinton has yet to win over many of the millennials who voted for Bernie Sanders — I’m generally losing when polls ask who the more trustworthy candidate is.
Nate Silver, 538.com
He's worried about the view of two equally terrible choices? So then that poll I saw recently saying that more than 60% of all likely voters thought one, the other, or both were a threat to the nation concerns him, right? Afraid that some might see her as dishonest? I can understand why:
And wowza... she's struggling with millennials?
-- Zerohedge (referring to USC Dornsife/Los Angeles Times daily tracking poll)
Maybe if she hired some male abercrombie and fitch models to hang out at her next event she'd draw in more of those millennial women?
What's hilarious in all this is that all these expert sources seem to be surprised by it. I mean imagine! All the things we told them for the last year might actually be true!
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I know, #WeTriedToWarnYou, right?
In the immortal words of Little Donny Dark - "There are none so deaf as those who will not listen"
" “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR "
Gloria Steinem, is that you?
I admit it. I was pretty proud of that line :)
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
Why?
I thought it was a great rip on Steinem/Clinton
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
It was. /nt
You were correct.
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And you certainly should be
And you certainly should be proud of that line! But unless they were male underwear models, I doubt even then Hill'd stir more than passing interest from millennial women.
Maybe she could try claiming that she'd actually said that BernieBros were racy, sexy and right, not racist and sexist White (males - not sure how she'd cover that one, but she didn't care about applying it to women, either, so...) and that it was our eyes and ears at fault for misunderstanding?
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Their shock just shows how in the bubble they really are...
You, me, everyone that wasn't a Clintonite, even Republican pundits, were practically shouting from the rooftops that the ONLY way the Democratic party could lose in 2016 is if they nominated Clinton.
Well, they didn't just nominate her, they literally stole the election from Sanders and Us...
Then they have the gall to play, "Shocked! Shocked I tell you!" with the voters.
IF they are actually shocked, then I think that that, more than anything, shows how completely out of touch with Americans in general and specifically progressives.
Camp Clinton wouldn't know a true progressive if it walked up and shouted in their face. We know, because we tried that too, lol!
Our entire foundation, Media, Justice, Congress, et all are just so far gone as to be un-salvageable.
Now there is your real "Basket of Deplorables"...
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
And the thing is, they continue with it
Even now as they wring their hands over how to convince some of those millennials (and presumably non-millennials like a lot of us) they make their pitch in the midst of insults. I am convinced that they don't understand that:
Anyone who doesn't agree with me is a stupid, naive, racist, misogynist.
Is a fundamentally insulting and alienating statement.
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
I'm sure their goal
Is to get as few people voting as possible. If they have true monopoly on the turnout, they can do whatever they wish. I know they already operate like that, and that's because they've been fairly successful for the most part in shutting out the electorate.
I agree.
It's a shame so many seem to want to abstain from voting. That's just suicide. Voting one's conscience is the only way to make your vote count. If we all did that, Stein or someone other than the two horrors our corporate masters have foisted on us would win. So far I haven't had much luck convincing people that voting for anyone but these two is a good idea. Maybe it's time for the single-celled animals to take over the planet.
-Greed is not a virtue.
-Socialism: the radical idea of sharing.
-Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
John F. Kennedy, In a speech at the White House, 1962
I just had this discussion
with someone on FB and she seemed shocked that I would be voting outside one of the two major parties. While she did not say it directly, she implied that I was wasting my vote.
My response, in the kindest way, was that everyone has to make a choice. And I have chosen to vote my conscience because the lesser of two evils is still evil and has not served the American people well. I also added that my conscience is completely clear in voting this way. People are so hung up on the duopoly. But there are some of us who have decided to break free of that prison. For me, it has been incredibly liberating.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Is it time yet to say
WE TOLD YOU SO!!!!!
Hugs to all the non listeners,
from Bernie or Bust.
A.B.C. = Anybody But Clintons, cuz yes, they are much more dangerous than Trump.
Middle Aged Man's/Woman's Disease
When I was young, I was successful by doing X. That means that X is the one and only formula for success, and I'm the Best Man/Woman Ever for finding it. Now that I'm in middle age, X is still and always will be the formula for success. If it doesn't seem to be working it's only because we aren't doing it hard enough. These young people, they're just a bunch of slackers, not like I was at their age, and their ideas are foolish because they aren't X. So we're going forward with X, Plan B is to make Plan A work, we are certain of our success. Why would I need to write a concession speech?
Clinton is running the best 1990s campaign ever. Why isn't she up 50 points? It must be those slackers. The beatings will continue until morale improves.
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone
There's a meme for that.
This needs "Old Economy Steven." Exactly that sort of thinking "X worked for me, so that it isn't working for you is your fault." It's a 1996 campaign twenty years too late.
television ads
How many MILLIONS of dollars have the Clinton's campaign spent on TV ads.
TV ADS! In 2016. Bubble? - jeez, I think they've landed on the wrong planet.
Seriously - some really sympathetic person should loan Her Heinious a Colander Hat so she can pray to the real god of this election. FSM.
Nate knows numbers; Nate doesn't seem to know politics.
"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"
He's never known politics
He can't quantify it in numerical format.
the Dems see young'uns/Berners as the PTB saw Iraq
They hate anyone perceived as "the left" even if the problem for them is elsewhere.
I've always felt that the Bush administration hated Saddam, wanted him out and took 9/11 as a phony reason to attack him. It would be like if you had a grudge with your neighbors on the next block. Then your house got burgled (and you knew who'd done it) and instead of going after the people responsible you went to those neighbors you didn't like and kicked their door down and ransacked their house.
Well this is like that. Hills is doing herself in and Johnson is getting a lot of support from people who would normally vote Democratic. So they're all screaming about millennials.
Britain has 'em too. The losers over there, who got trounced by Cameron, who then got trounced by Corbyn, are screaming that Corbyn is unelectable. Hello! You've just been beaten badly and you're the ones saying someone who beat you is unelectable? But Corbyn represents the left side so he's the enemy. As Bernie was the enemy here and as now it's the "naive" kids.
Be afraid, hrc.
Be very afraid. You're gonna
edited because a zombie took over my computer and something else appeared on publish!
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Hillary and Warren are both pushing 70.
Like it or not, their generation is not the future of America or of the Democratic Party. The Millennials are, obviously. Apparently, however, the Democratic Party is willing to destroy its future to vindicate Hillary Clinton. Amazing, given that, eight years ago, they convinced Obama to run against her before he thought he was ready, while asking him to keep their encouragement a secret. (Or so says Game Change.)
In the intervening 8 years, the Clinton baggage that scared them then has only gotten more cumbersome. Now, it's not only Bill and his issues, and her Iraq vote, but her mess as SOS, too.
If she's the only one they considered a viable candidate, they're in worse shape than even we think.
Dean was in charge of the dnc
Then, wasn't he?
Yes. The DNC votes went against Hillary (Florida and Michigan)
They should have. She pulled grifter moves. But, did the votes go against her because they should have, or because she was supposed to lose the primary? Would the votes have gone in her favor if she had been the 2008 anointee, instead of Obama? We'll never know.
Much as some fans of Obama do not choose to admit it, the PTB of the Democratic Party--Reid, Kennedy, Pelosi--were for Obama, as was media.
Wall St was backing two horses, and
therefore, the one the public liked better, won.
This time, Wall St (and others) are inexplicably backing candidates that almost 2/3 of the country hates, when there must be dozens or hundreds of men and women in expensive suits who could shill for them. Even a total unknown would be preferable to this.
Unless the entire election is an exercise in trolling the American people.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Wall Street, this time:
According to Carroll Quigley, whom Bill Clinton cites as a huge influence on him, along with JFK (funny how Bubba leaves out Fulbright), markets want predictability above all. Trump is both an unknown (in political office) and unpredictable.
With Bubba and Hills, Wall Street knows exactly what to expect.
Even if that were not so, she has promised to continue the successes of the Obama administration, down to promising to re-nominate conservative Merrick Garland. And, during the Obama administration, more money has raced to the top fraction of 1% faster than ever before (short of literal pillaging). So, I'm guessing Wall Street loves the sound of that. Besides, we all know that, no matter how coy Hillary wants to play it, she really does believe that TPP is the gold standard and the Clintons love them some trade deals (as has Obama).
And they will not back off
And they will not back off and put Bernie up, in case Hillary keels over or steps down on her own(I don't see her doing this), they want to give us a establishment replacement. Still, some folks are also still going to write Bernie in, despite the fact he said he would not accept it.
Jill is one way to go against the bull of the "duopoly".
Trump and Clinton are from the same core stock that runs both the RNC+DNC, why support them?
So long, and thanks for all the fish
That's been my argument all along
A vote for Hillary or Trump is a vote for Gilens & Page... a vote to ensure my vote doesn't matter. Why on earth would I cast that vote?
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
Write in votes are not reported anywhere and, in some states,
invalidate the entire ballot. So I am not sure what useful thing a write in vote accomplishes.
Voting for Jill Stein, on the other hand, may help the Greens get to 5%, which will make ballot access in 2020 easier for a "third" Party. Even if the Greens are not your ideal "third" party, cutting back against the duopoly and showing you want someone left of the Democrats, seems to me like a useful way to use a vote in 2016.
More info/thoughts about voting for POTUS in 2016: http://caucus99percent.com/content/word-about-voting-november-okay-many-...