(Hahahaha!!) Poll: Clinton, Trump in virtual dead heat on eve of first debate
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Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump will meet Monday night for their first debate in a virtual dead heat in the race for the White House, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll, with the Democratic nominee’s August advantage erased after recent difficulties and the GOP nominee still facing doubts about his qualifications and temperament.
Likely voters split 46 percent for Clinton and 44 percent for Trump, with Libertarian Party nominee Gary Johnson at 5 percent and Green Party nominee Jill Stein at 1 percent. Among registered voters, Clinton and Trump are tied at 41 percent, with Johnson at 7 percent and Stein at 2 percent.
In a two-way matchup between the major-party nominees, Clinton tops Trump by 49 percent to 47 percent among likely voters, and the two are tied at 46 percent among all registered voters. Clinton’s two-point edge among likely voters, in both the four-way and two-way ballot tests, is within the survey’s 4.5 percentage-point margin of sampling error.
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Some other national polls currently show Clinton with a slightly larger lead, but on balance, the pre-debate survey averages show the margin in the race in low single digits. The tightened race is a reminder of how much will be at stake Monday night at Hofstra University when the two meet at 9 p.m. before what could be one of the largest television audiences ever for a presidential debate.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/poll-clinton-trump-in-virtual-dea...
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LINK to actual WP POLL RESULTS:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/page/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2016/09/25/...
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So, the coronation is not coming off as planned, huh? How amazing that the 'Democratic' Party just had to go with the one person that couldn't beat Donald Trump. I'm pretty sure (afraid?) she will in the end BUT anyone else would be walking away with this.
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The Dems don't want to win big regardless of what they say.
If they did, they'd be expected to deliver on Clinton's new found progressivism and the owners will not tolerate that.
Compensated Spokes Model for Big Poor.
I think they'd be fine with Hill winning big
as long as she has Republican majorities in Congress. A Republican Congress is like a magic pill that absolves one of all responsibility.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Well, Schumer did his part.
It's looking like that "sure thing" democratic majority in the senate isn't going to happen because of the lousy candidates (i.e. Corporate dems) he picked.
Just one example: in Florida, Patrick Murphy is trailing "I don't like to show up for work" Rubio by 9 points.
Well, I'm a Floridian--
and I'd rather have Rubio than Murphy--and I'm a leftie! So yeah, you're right, Chuck did "his bit."
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
omigod
The debate is gonna be a circus!
Hey, DNC! Yo!
A big FU atcha!
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Nothing funny
about this election.
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
I agree Pricknick.
I am expressing pure gallows humor.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Sorry, but if
we can't laugh at this absurdity we may as well step out then. I refuse to cry and I'm tired of rage.
I choose to laugh(and do bingers, of course)!
peace
Ya got to be a Spirit, cain't be no Ghost. . .
Explain Bldg #7. . . still waiting. . .
If you’ve ever wondered whether you would have complied in 1930’s Germany,
Now you know. . .
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I agree.
That why I ended with a
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
Is anyone here going to live blog it
so I don't actually have to watch it?
Alphalop?
Please?
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
The Intercept, with J. Schahill and G. Greenwald, live-blogging
it, I saw on their email today. Those two are among the sharpest and brightest (and best investigative journalists, who are unabashedly radical progressives) we've ever had.
Was thinking of TYT too, but Cenk seems to have bought into the propaganda. Ana, John and Jimmy Dore would make the difference for me. But if it's the two Clinton suckers, Manckiweiz and the other bearded guy, I'm not into it. Could be interesting watching their interactions, which were so good during the Dem Primary.
Then again, the thought of watching them literally sickens me.
Wrote this to that full of himself asshole BBB months ago:
"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:
THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"
- Kurt Vonnegut
Thanks.
Your smack down of BBB was epic.
kudos.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
I think Jimmy Dore may have left TYT and struck out on his own.
Just something I heard; I haven't bothered to check.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
i think
he's still a guest on the main show and he's on a couple of other TYT network shows... i think they've just got a rotation going on afa filling the seats.
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Funny you should mention that, I was considering a live-blog
for this evening's circus.
So I decided to vacuum and steam clean my carpets first. This way I may be to tired to actually work up a full on rage and actually be coherent enough to post.
At first I was gonna pass, (The thought of listening to The Shrill Shrew for 90 minutes really doesn't appeal, however since I have not done my Masochism Tour® to TOP and the other right wing blogs I guess I am overdue, lol!
I will throw the essay/blog up about 30 minutes before the start.
Hope to see all of you there that can't stomach watching it as well as those that want to rant while doing so, hopefully it will be more palatable with a few of us acting as a filter.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
The constant anti-Trump beat
might be having the opposite effect. The local rag's editorial section today was all anti-Trump, to an almost laughable degree (see DKos). People might be responding negatively to such.
I'm not voting for the man, but he's not the anti-Christ.
(Edited)
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
I've been thinking the same, about the torrent of anti-Trump
pieces that dominate the media now. They're all so obviously but pathetically trying to make amends for their sin of creating him in the first place, by not scrutinizing him at all for months.
It very well could backfire.
I have a visceral loathing of that scumbag, but with this embarrassing onslaught from every conceivable angle, even I'm starting to feel pangs of an underdog. And we know how this country feels about such scenarios. (Can't believe I even wrote that).
"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:
THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"
- Kurt Vonnegut
Exactly!
It's all over and it feels coordinated........... and people begin to recognize a pattern.
There's nary a story about HRC.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
The Windsockers are going to have a really hard time
getting people to the polls if this continues.
The constant flaming of anti-Trump stuff is going to burn a lot of people out too soon. By Election Day they'll just be shrugging, finding other things to do.
"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:
THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"
- Kurt Vonnegut
The tactic of stampeding
The tactic of stampeding voters toward the corporate candidate with a 'greater evil' presented as a terrible threat has failed and now panic sets in. But the Repubs can always trade out Trump for previously-failed other-corporate-favourites Bush 3 or Rubio at the last minute, same with the Dems, as they've long been threatening.
Of course, so many people will then be rioting in the streets over their doing that that nobody will be watching the media distraction circus not covering it...
We could all survive this if they'd let Bernie have the nomination he won, but greed overcomes self-preservation in those promised the world as their factory floor. While life and oxygen on it lasts, anyway.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
We are supposed to believe
We are now supposed to believe Trump is a Russian agent who wants to start a nuclear war against Russia. Or something. The OMG scary Trump stuff has gotten ridiculous.
"We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty."
[...]
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It's the old polluting
It's the old polluting industry/corporate tactic of accusing others of what they do themselves. Hillary sold 20% of America's already insufficient-for-power-plant strategic resources of uranium to Russia, so somebody else is a Russian spy or something; Hillary has promised a 'limited' nuclear war crime against at least China, Russia and Iran to various donors, for the first two of which Obama has already begun to set up, and therefore 'the greater evil' wants nuclear war with Russia. A transparent campaign, indeed...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Dilbert's creator, Scott Adams, has switched to endorsing Trump
He makes some really interesting arguments for that,
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-25/dilbert-creator-scott-adams-exp...
especially that Trump is using a "pace and lead" tactic. I hadn't heard of that, but it does make some sense. Adam's emphasis on persuasion seems important, too. I don't agree with a lot if Trump's original positions, but they do seem to moderate after the initial blow-up, and he has managed incredible things in this campaign. There was a mention on Naked Capitalism some time back about the structure of Trump's speeches, too, saying that they aren't just rambling when you look closely, but have a fairly sophisticated structure. Interesting.
Sociopaths are like that,
Sociopaths are like that, often quite convincing - to those they dupe.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Pat Buchanan agrees...
from his latest on what Trump needs to do to win:
The anti-Trump stuff is so over the top that all he needs to do is show up not breathing flaming jet fuel and Hillary's whole strategy fizzles. She'll try everything she can to bait him and then clutch pearls at anything even remotely aggressive, but if he keeps his cool and relatively close to his script, basically showing the country he's not the three-headed monster she's been painting him as, the whole rationale for voting Hillary along with all her baggage becomes far less persuasive.
Not to mention it just makes her look like even more of liar for playing up the Trump threat far more than what it seems.
Of course, Trump being Trump there's always a big chance he will self-immolate, so much so that people are calling this the NASCAR debate - everyone's just watching to see which one crashes and burns.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
If he would direct that "flaming jet fuel"
In Hillary's direction, a grateful nation just might give him a landslide victory.
He may not be the anti-Christ, but
he does have a single redeeming factor in that he IS the anti-Hillary.
I can't bear the thought of rewarding her for all her cheating, lying and malfeasance.
I'm not voting for the man,
and I think he IS the anti-Christ, or whatever comparable word or phrase you can come up with. Apparently his outrageous rhetoric (obliquely encouraging assassination, for example) and behavior get a pass even from many lefties. Which is not to say I am in any way praising Hillary. I despise her and her sidekick as much as anybody, but the false equivalency or even saying she's worse than Trump has caused me to have less respect for many on the left. I rarely read or comment on caucus99% these days because of this. And left TOP near the end of the primary season because commenters there were just as unrealistic in their positive assessment of Hillary.
I won't be watching that shit.
And I won't watch the other 2 either.
Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.
Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.
Nonetheless, Aspie,
we probably need to bear witness to history.
Bill encouraged Trump to run. Trump has done his part. Hillary still can't manage to pull off a big win that has been planned.
She didn't go all left like her supporters said with commie Bernie kickin' it. She has gone all out for moderate Repubs like there is no tomorrow.
I fully expect a Kissinger endorsement, when the debate goes south.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
NYT editorial board endorsed her today.
I didn't read the actual editorial.
I stopped at her "courage" being a compelling reason.
I implore anyone to give me any example of her courage. When? What about?
How did I miss it?
Are they referring to fucking sniper fire?
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Yup, Sniper Fire and Working Through "Pneumonia". nt
“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu
Maybe they meant "brass".
You gotta' admit, it takes some guts to do what she does.
We wanted decent healthcare, a living wage and free college.
The Democrats gave us Biden and war instead.
Nah. Just greed.
I was surprised by the endorsement
I figured I missed it when it happened months ago.
We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
- Greta Thunberg
The courage to bald-facedly
The courage to bald-facedly and repeatedly lie to millions of people?
The courage to shift her BS according to audience, when the shifts in claims are known to millions of people?
The courage to go with the most blatant electoral cheating ever seen in America, even though competing against the appallingly blatant cheatery of the Republicans?
The courage to betray her country and people?
The courage to work toward the extinction of not only democracy, but of life and oxygen production on the planet within decades, for her personal goals of gaining unlimited wealth and power?
I wouldn't term that courage myself, but I've no doubt that others would.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Wow, they really want to make sure Jill
doesn't get anywhere near that 5% mark. If those numbers aren't jiggered, I'll eat my hat.
3-4% I might buy. 1%? Uh....no.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Why isn't Clinton up 50 points?
The little people are lying down on the job. Must be time for some more fundraisers.
All Trump has to do is keep in mind his audience (the general electorate, not the Republican base) and avoid saying overly stupid things. Pretty low bar, nothing he can't handle.
Clinton would ordinarily be able to easily hold her own debating Trump, but I'm expecting her to be heavily medicated to the point where she will seem a little loopy. An extended coughing fit wouldn't be the end of her, it could be spun as her not being over her pneumonia yet. It might cost her a few points, but nothing decisive. A full seizure on live television and it would all be over.
I give her a 50% chance of underperforming due to medication, 45% chance of a coughing fit or wandering eye that dominates the news cycle for a few days and costs her a few points, and a 5% chance of a career ending event.
Wild card: she decides she needs to put Trump away in the first debate and goes out without medication. Her debate performance is good, but her chances of a medical malfunction go way up.
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone
I have to admit the only reason
I want to watch the debate is to see if her eyes cross or if she collapses.
I do not believe a word our of her mouth, or out of Trump's.
Nobody is ok with this shit.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
two way polls are pointless
since there are 4 candidates running nationwide. Why bother asking "if two candidates who are running weren't running, who would you vote for?" That's nutty.
Although it'd be fun to see a poll with Bernie as the candidate instead of Hills. Just as meritless, but fun.
They need the polls close
so none who supports Hillary will be willing to sit it out.
It's been pretty clearly demonstrated that the majority of polls are skewed with their samples.
Wait, what?
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"We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty."
Just wondering
has anybody heard Mark Cuban (per hrc) and Gennifer Flowers (bills ex, per Trump) will be sitting in front row. My wife told me she seen this posted on facebook,if true that alone might make it worth watching.
Saw on FB but also, I think, in the NYT and TPM
Mostly rumor - we'll soon find out n/t
There is no justice. There can be no peace.