Basket of Deplorables and Liberal Elitism
It recently occurred to me that I've seen this before.
Hillary's "basket of deplorables" comment is enlightening.
First of all, calling everyone who opposes you ignorant racists is the same failed strategy that the anti-Brexit people used.
Because of how generally satisfied they are with their lot, they regard with affection and respect the internationalist institutions that safeguard the West’s prevailing order: the World Bank and IMF, NATO and the West’s military forces, the Federal Reserve, Wall Street, the EU. While they express some piecemeal criticisms of each, they literally cannot comprehend how anyone would be fundamentally disillusioned by and angry with these institutions, let alone want to break from them. They are far removed from the suffering that causes those anti-establishment sentiments. So they search and search in vain for some rationale that could explain something like Brexit — or the establishment-condemning movements on the right and left — and can find only one way to process it: These people are not motivated by any legitimate grievances or economic suffering, but instead they are just broken, ungrateful, immoral, hateful, racist, and ignorant.
That's not to say that xenophobia wasn't a significant part of the Brexit movement (it was), and that it isn't a significant part of Trump's supporters (it is), but making it all about that is intellectually dishonest.
It reminds me of how Republicans disregarded the huge anti-war demonstrations before the invasion of Iraq because a minority of the protesters were radical socialists. Like liberals today, they didn't want to even consider that the other side might have legitimate grievances, so they looked for an excuse to dismiss them, and if you want to look hard enough you'll find one.
We know for a fact that most pro-Brexit voters didn't vote that way for reasons of racism, but the liberal elite doesn't want to hear it.
Instead, the liberal establishment has a hissy fit.
CNN's Christiane Amanpour linked the vote to xenophobia five times during her Brexit coverage late Thursday evening and early Friday morning.
"We must learn from brexit: Elderly xenophobes will lie to pollsters to hide their racist views, then vote for destructive policies anyway," said blogger Anil Dash.
Which just shows that the liberal elite aren't prepared to learn anything.
Consider this South Park episode.
Even I think it's kind of funny. However, the subject isn't funny at all.
If you lose your job to immigrants because they will work for peanuts, that's a big deal. You have a right to be pissed.
Pointing fingers and laughing at the poor slobs who lost their jobs is pure elitism.
One thing that Christiane Amanpour and the liberal establishment should have learned from Brexit is that a news media united in condemnation and ridicule of a segment of society doesn't achieve anything but harden their resistance as long as their grievances are real.
It didn't work with Brexit, and it's not working against Trump supporters.
You interviewed Chris [Hayes] about Brexit and I just want to submit to you that the mistake the U.K. media and U.K. elites made with Brexit is the exact same one that the U.S. media and U.S. elites are making about Trump. U.K. elites were uniform, uniform, in their contempt for the Brexit case, other than the right-wing Murdochian tabloids. They all sat on Twitter all day long, from the left to the right, and all reinforced each other about how smart and how sophisticated they were in scorning and [being snide] about UKIP and Boris Johnson and all of the Brexit leaders, and they were convinced that they had made their case. Everyone they were talking to—which is themselves—agreed with them. It was constant reinforcement, and anyone who raised even a peep of dissent or questioned the claims they were making was instantly castigated as somebody who was endangering the future of the U.K. because they were endorsing—or at least impeding—the effort to stop Brexit. This is what’s happening now.
Do you think the people voting for Donald Trump because they feel their economic future has been destroyed, or because they are racist, or because they feel fear of immigrants and hate the U.S. elite structure and want Trump to go and blow it up, give the slightest shit about Ukraine, that Trump is some kind of agent of Putin? They don’t! Just like the Brexit supporters. The U.K. media tried the same thing, telling the Brexit advocates that they were playing into Putin’s hands, that Putin wanted the U.K. out of the EU to weaken both. They didn’t care about that. That didn’t drive them. Nobody who listened to Trump could think that was genuinely a treasonous request for the Russians to go and cyberattack the U.S. government.
I don't want a President Trump. I think he'd be a horrific president.
But unless the liberal establishment learns just a tiny bit of humility, and how to listen to people they don't agree with rather than just judge them, that is exactly what is going to happen.
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Houle hoop hahaha
Ah memories...
concerns about her health are sexist
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/campaign/296362-questions-about-hi...
The full title of the article is "Questions about Hillary Clinton’s health are soaked in gender bias"
And from Christiane Amanpour
eh, what?
I'm not concerned with her health
I'm concerned with her corruption.
I'm concerned with him selling himself like a carnival barker.
They are both horrible.
Is it irony, tragedy or comedy?
If we agree the dem primary was rigged, we might also agree that Trump was a ringer sent into the fray by Bill Clinton. This might be because they are aware Hillary is so unpopular they thought he was a guy (the only one on the planet, imo) she could beat.
Now he is beating her despite all their machinations, manipulations, cheats and money. She is becoming increasingly unpopular and untrustworthy as her campaign continues. Someone here said Hillary only drops in polls, never rises. I'm willing to guess that is true.
I'm pretty sure Bernie could have won Alaska, long-time red state. Here I only see Bernie stickers and signs - still. Not a single Trump or Hillary sign or bumper to date, and I've been driving around a lot, lately.
Looking for that "Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Bernie" T-Shirt. I'd like to see the whole nation wearing that.
That T-shirt works
no matter who wins.
Well start the franchise already
And let us get ready!
glitterscale
I covered that very article earlier today
Mixing medicine and politics: the gender flap
Pure Pro-Clinton horse dung.
Where's the signs of a Landslide?
During the Democratic primary, I can remember many "progressive" blogs and supporters predicting a landslide for HRC. Furthermore, she was going to have long coattails--the Senate was going to flip and maybe even the House. Such hubris! Unless the Democrats return to the policies of FDR, they will be even more of a minority party. The Democrats need to offer the average American a reason to vote for them. Cozying up to Wall Street and supporting unfair trade agreements will not attract people. As Democratic president Harry Truman said: “If a voter has a choice between a Republican and a Democrat who acts like a Republican, he’ll vote for the Republican every time.”
When propaganda does not work, really watch out.
I wasn't exactly following Brexit except I would see headlines in the foreign press that Putin was behind it. And then I followed it about the last week before the vote. What amazed me was that it won even in the face of a continuous mass media blitz against it. The mass propaganda around it did not work to stop it. And the same is happening here with Trump. It is amazing how much the mass media has been 24/7 been reporting against him. And yet Trump keeps improving in the polls.
I think your piece explains part of it--the revulsion to the elitism and marginalization of concerns over jobs, etc. Like with Bernie, maybe local rallies are creating a base the mass media cannot undo. I don't particularly follow Clinton's campaign trail, but my impression is there are no mass rallies. Mainly appearances before first big donors and then safe receptive small groups and organizations.
Is there some sort of right wing underground media ignored by the major mass media? Could be my problem with reading liberal sites, but as I scan a number of sources, there is nothing in the mass media about anti-Trump protesters attacking Trump supporters which just adds to the aggrieved sense of Trump supporters and further entrenches them for Trump.
So when mass propaganda does not work, watch out--who knows where this will take us.
Yep. First they (both sides) break the unions.
Then they pass NAFTA, and finish the job. And that giant sucking sound of jobs (jerbs if you like) going away?
Whose to blame? Some blame the "gov'ment", others the "Mex'cans". And the response is: don't be racist. Yeah, no one should be, that's swallowing the misinformation and misdirection.
Fuck me, but if I went back in time and told my younger self that future me would prefer to vote for Barry Fucking Goldwater or Ross Kinda-Unhinged Perot over the future Dem and Rep candidates? Yeah, I might not be here now.
Hehehe . . . Ba·Fu·AuH₂O n/t
AuH2O was a wonderful and early meme.
Also aimed at higher learners, who knew about the Periodic Table. Made no sense to many without long explication.
Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.
I can't believe I now wish Rand Paul had won the nom.
edited I first said Ron Paul!
I considered re-registering as a Republican
So I could vote for him in the Republican primary. Instead I stayed a Democrat to vote for Sanders.
I love your writing.
Your posts have been one of the things that have kept me feeling some-what sane, in this insane election season.
Recently I have been having some profoundly deep political conversations with the libertarian/republican men in my social circle. Once I say "fuck Hillary and the status quo," they are so much more open to hearing my brazenly leftist views. I think I've been able to get at least two of them to consider voting for Johnson and they all seem to get the need to break the two-party strangle hold on American democracy. I am a far left, middle-aged female with degrees in cultural anthropology and nursing and the Clinton campaign has accused me of being a misogynist, racist and delusional for wanting real change in this country. The DNC pushing the demonization of any group should be suspect.
Unfortunately, the
Unfortunately, the Libertarian, rather ironically, seems to be OK with the Trojan Horse TPP et al corporate coup thing, setting up a totalitarian corporate control spanning the globe.
Once thousands of ruthlessly destructive corporations and billionaires directly control off-shored domestic law in all industrialized countries, then using their resources to subjugate/destroy all countries and people not to be effectively enslaved economically by illegal and unconstitutionally imposed corporate 'law' via such scams and betrayals - assuming that the planned 'limited' nuclear attacks (likely to result in Mutual Assured Destruction, anyway, rendering global survival of virtually all life pretty much immediately moot) on multiple countries do not ensue - by military attacks and invasion, there will be a race among them to extract as much value as possible before the complete economic and ecological collapse caused by unlimited corporate/billionaire/military pollution/destruction/abuse/draining of resources including human resources no longer citizens results in insufficient oxygen to maintain life, although the potable water supply will likely expire before this.
The only Presidential candidate currently running who opposes such scams providing corporate control is Jill Stein, and - barring some Bernie miracle - she's the only prospective US President who humanity and life on the planet in general can hope to survive the policies of without turning the corner into dystopian nightmare. Just to mention.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
I agree
I am voting for Jill Stein. I was just happy that I could get these guys to consider voting for a third party.
I predict that with either "major" candidate, we will become
the Mall that Was America. Sale prices on National Parks, at least so far as drilling rights, perhaps some cities for sale at fire prices, Detroit and Flint are possible. And all that old manufacturing space, acres under cover, unused since NAFTA and TPP to finish the deal. Unruly citizenry can be suppressed by military and para-military policing. Should be fun.
Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.
I think it is....
More like obama's 'clinging to God and guns' comment
It's similar
Both comments imply an unwillingness to consider that these people might have legitimate grievances.
New Mexico is now in play.
Her heinous is falling behind Herr Drumpf in some polls here. We are no longer a safe blue state.
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
I haven't seen the polls. Is
I haven't seen the polls. Is it a Johnson surge more than a Trump gain?
I finally learned where the Johnson campaign office is. Not really interested; just happened to drive past it on San Mateo yesterday. I have no idea where Clinton or Trump have one.
Hi, asterion,
Here's where I got that info: https://joemonahansnewmexico.blogspot.com/. I don't start my day without reading Joe, Monday-Friday. I don't know where Clinton's office is - not interested anyway, and I don't think Herr Drumpf opened ANY offices - that costs money!
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Well, in this case, they've also lost the Left.
We won't be there to protect them against Joe Sixpack this time.
Just like Joe Sixpack was there with us at Occupy, because the "damned dirty hippies" line ain't working on him so well either.
Even the racial dividing line is fracturing a little under the stress, and that's the most reliable way to create divide-and-conquer the establishment knows.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
A lot of us old hipie types,
we live next door to Joe Sixpack. We share our garden produce with him and his wife, and he kindly refrains from spraying roundup, which he mostly doesn't use anyway, and pesticides in our yards, and our grandkids play with his kids and grands. Meanwhile, the Clintonistas won't give either one of us the time of day.
Mary Bennett
Not intending on getting distracted at this juncture
by either racial or ideological differences. Or generational ones, for that matter.
The 1%'s PR department can go kick rocks.
That doesn't mean I ignore those differences or what's going on--just that I have no intention of taking my eyes off them and their bad behavior.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I've seen polls that show 20% of Trump supporters believe
slavery should be brought back; 70% agree with building a wall around the damn country.
I'm not going to defend these type of people and I'm not going to worry about gaining common ground with them. I don't give a shit about Clinton and what she said, the Democratic party and how it affects them or the republicans.
But criticizing these ignorant racist and xenophobic assholes isn't necessarily liberal elitism and I ain't no liberal.
Certainly not all Trump supporters are racists or deplorables as Clinton put it, but a lot are and they need to be called out.
Absolutely
Calling out the worst of them in very general terms making no obvious distinctions between them and those who voted for Obama in '08 and '12 is absolutely the best way to separate the fence sitters from the die hards. Call out yourself hoarse.
It might be interesting to reduce the level of desperation in people's lives and see how much racism retreats. Nah!
You calling them out isn't the same as
Clinton calling them out.
Besides which, Clinton's calling them out because her employers are still trying to replace a class war with an expanded version of the current race war. We're all supposed to get so upset about racism that we forget that the aristocrats are up there screwing us over, just like we're supposed to have already forgotten that most of those aristocrats are white. (Why is Clinton somehow honorarily Black?)
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
There has to be a balance because there are a helluva
lot of racists and xenophobes out there. That's just a fact. I see a lot of criticizing of Clinton without counterbalancing it with she has a bit of a point.
Yeah, there has to be a balance
Not suggesting we forget about racism or xenophobia. But those words in Clinton's mouth are not the same as they are in yours or mine.
When I know that the person in question has been on the other side of the race war as recently as 8 years ago, as well as having been on the wrong side of it 25 years ago and 50 years ago, saying those words doesn't get them credit of any kind from me. My response is more like, "All right, what do you want?"
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
as many
people of color have pointed out, she actually undercounted the racist fucks: the true figure is closer to two-thirds.
Or, as billmon puts it: "Sobering thing about Trump consolidating GOP vote: Proves party base is part racist fucks, part people willing to be led by racist fucks."
Heh,
Early on when people would tell me they were supporting Trump I'd say, "oh, you must be a racist". I guess we can tiptoe around this or we can go Full Monty. I always liked the Full Monty, it seems so free and uninhibited.
if your cerebrum
is functional enough so that you can even minimally understand the meaning of words, and you support Trump, you are either a racist fuck, or willing to overlook a huge hulking Everest-high stinking shitpile of racist fuckdom.
Full Monty. Is best.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkepW2JEm24]
Racism has been cultivated and used by ruling elites for eons
People with very limited prospects are ripe for cultivation of racism. This has been used by elites in this country since the aftermath of Bacon's rebellion. In recent decades, this has been a standard Republican electoral tactic. It is important to oppose racism in the strongest possible ways, but it is equally important to understand that just calling racists ignorant assholes is unproductive at best. Poor white Americans and poor African Americans have more in the way of common interests than either group has with black or white elites. Pointing out those commonalities is, likely, a better way forward than simply disparaging people, even those that spew vile rhetoric.
Liberal elitism is thinking only the poor are the racists.
Agreed
Poor people are just more honest about it.
yep
I know plenty of poor people who are not racists. The racist rat bastards around here are usually people who've got some money to them. Meanwhile, The Hairball & his Klan daddy and his son Uday, Roger Ailes and Roger Stone, Nixon, Ma and Pa Reagan (wouldn't live in the California governor's mansion because there were too many black people in the neighborhood), Boykin and Flynn (The Hairball's two favorite neo-con generals), William Swinequist (got his start challenging Hispanic voters in Phoenix), Sheriff Joe (so embarrassed was his mother in bringing him into the world she died giving birth to him), Ann Coulter, Sean Klannity, and on and on—all rich motherfuckers, all racist as the day is long.
Do not mock thy foes
Word of advice in politics and life, do not to mock or belittle your opponent or their supporters. It gets them fired up and brings out passion to help their candidate win.
Too many times instead of taking the high road and justifying why voters should vote for her, Clinton and her supporters just make fun of him and his supporters. People do not like to have dirt (or something else) rubbed in their faces.
This terrible behavior is just one of the reasons why Trump will win this election.
Name calling is really stupid.
Even Elizabeth Warren went there - lots of nasty personal assertions about Trump, no policy discussion. Just stupid.
And then there was Mr Obama
this morning in the NYT, they reported that he's now said if black voters don't turn out for HER he'll take it as a personal insult. My God I want to write him a book reminding him of all the personal insults he's dealt to every single Democratic voter out there along with everyone he'd like to put out of work passing that damned TPP, every single innocent civilian he's killed by drone, every single innocent he's seen fit to take their Food stamps away, and every single one of us who're totally screwed by his "hope and change" bullshit. And all that while simply ignoring climate change which is a crime against all humanity and goes against all that hopey-changey bullshit he fed us.
A bit more than personal insult for us is the insult to our intelligence from a man blatantly using the racism that was directed at him back against the voters who're disgusted with his Corporate sell out. I'm sorry, but this morning he is a bastard and I'm using that word, although bitch would fit here just as well.
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
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