The Victim Blaming Has Begun

The Daily Beast has published an article titled, "Blame Millennials for President Trump."

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/09/16/if-america-elects-a-pre...

Brilliant job, American media. You created the Trump monster by giving him billions in free coverage because it was good for your bottom line. You did everything that you could to prop up the uninspired candidacy of Hillary Clinton (who, in the latest polls, is losing in Florida, Ohio, Iowa, and Missouri, while barely hanging onto Nevada, Colorado, and Virginia by spreads of 0.5 to 3 points), and now that you're staring into the abyss of a looming Trump presidency, you don't like what you see and you have to find someone to blame. So, the millennials are the new Naderites.

Yet despite running against a candidate who combines the racial divisiveness of George Wallace with the pro-Russian sympathies of Henry Wallace, Hillary Clinton has barely been able to break 48 percent in any national poll. She does significantly better in head-to-head match-ups than in the actual four-way race, thanks to the not insignificant number of voters expressing support for Libertarian Gary Johnson and Green Party standard-bearer Jill Stein. Support for these minor candidates is most pronounced among a crucial demographic, my demographic: millennials. Twenty-six percent of voters aged 18-29 say they will vote for Johnson; 10 percent back Stein.

What explains the millennial willingness to risk a Trump presidency? A lot of it stems from cynicism towards, if not downright hatred of, Clinton and everything she represents. Seventy-seven percent of voters 18-34 find Clinton untrustworthy, compared to 65 percent of all likely voters. There’s also not a small degree of lingering bitterness from those who supported Bernie Sanders in the Democratic primary, only 52 percent of whom, according to an Economist/YouGov poll, plan to back the party’s nominee (Sanders won millennials overwhelmingly, and Saturday will be in Ohio to try and convince voters there to hold their noses with one hand and pull the lever for Clinton with the other).

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But there’s something deeper, and darker, about millennial opposition to Clinton and the attendant blitheness towards the prospect of a Trump presidency. It’s best described as a mix of moral relativism, historical ignorance and narcissism.

Millennials are the first post-war generation to have come of age after the Cold War. Baby boomers, by contrast, grew up listening to their parents’ tales of American heroism in World War II and read about the depredations of international communism every day. Throughout their formative years, the United States was locked in Cold War struggle against an expansionist Soviet empire, and the world lived under threat of nuclear holocaust. The anti-Vietnam War movement may have bred skepticism about America’s global role, but the notion that American power was necessary to protect freedom in the world remained a majority one.

Millennials, by contrast, spent their early years blissfully unaware about the world and its dangers. That changed, of course, on 9/11. But unlike other age groups, over half of us believe U.S. actions might have provoked those attacks. “Older people think, ‘We’re a great people, we got attacked by these crazy people, and now we are dealing with it and we have to be careful,’” Trevor Thrall, co-author of a study on millennials and foreign policy, told Voice of America last year. “Millennials are the only generation the majority of which think the U.S. must have done something to provoke 9/11.” Thrall’s study concluded that millennials “perceive the world as significantly less threatening than their elders,” “are more supportive of international cooperation than previous generations,” and “are also far less supportive of the use of military force.” Millennials are also deeply skeptical—like Trump—of American exceptionalism. A 2011 Pew poll found that only 32 percent of millennials believe America is superior to other countries, compared to 64 percent of baby boomers.

But the main reason for millennial apathy towards the possibility of a Trump victory, I suspect, is a lack of historical understanding. Millennials, particularly American ones, are too young to have any memories of the Cold War, never mind World War II, when fascists ruled Europe and millions of people died as a result. Trump’s echoes of fascist movements past has no resonance with us.

Moral Relativism? Narcissism? Historical ignorance? You, Mr. Kirchick, can go fuck yourself. Millennials are more informed than any other generation thanks to technological advances, globalization, and the presence of the internet. They understand the neoliberal status quo perfectly well, and they can see what will happen to them no matter who becomes president because both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are two sides of the same putrid, corporate coin.

All of this fearmongering bullshit about "fascism" and "socialism" doesn't work on this generation, and it scares the shit out of the media, because they can't control the largest segment of the voting public (next to the baby boomers).

Do you really want to know why millennials refuse to support Hillary Clinton? As someone on the older end of the millennial spectrum, let me speak frankly. It's because we don't give a shit about candidates that don't give a shit about us. We will not vote for the lesser of two evils. We're not going to go to the polls to protect your pocketbook and sense of security. We've grown up with this garbage all of our lives and we know where it leads. We're sick of it. Instead of listening to the people and choosing a candidate that represents our interests, the Democratic Party decided to nominate the quintessential establishment politician during a "change" election cycle. Yet, it's our fault that Hillary might lose to Trump? If you don't nominate a candidate that we can support, don't be surprised when we don't vote.

This entire article makes excuses for the worst excesses of American militarism, neoliberalism, and frankly, conservatism. The fact that this is what passes for "liberal" intellectualism these days disgusts me. America has become a failed state ruled by corporations. Thanks to Bush and Obama, we live in the Surveillance Society. If you haven't gotten the message yet, establishment folks, here it is: we don't like it, we don't want it, and things need to change, right now. The vast majority of the population has felt that the country is moving in the wrong direction for more than a decade, yet the political and media elite choose not to listen. When a huge number of Americans are so upset that they are waging a figurative war against the status quo through every kind of political and cultural surrogate imaginable, Trump included, our leaders would do well to listen instead of blaming the victims of their policies.

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Damnit Janet's picture

two in my house were victims of registration fraud.

I don't believe there's any election going on. It's a complete farce.

I completely agree with your rebuttal. My kids got a taste of the Democrats BS after Obama's betrayals.

The media and the politicians own this crap. But they sound like some old farts blaming everything on "kids nowadays"...

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fuck right off with bullshit excuse making.

Jesus Christ, Camp Clinton's internal polling must have cratered, big-time if they're already floating this shit.

I find it utterly amazing that President Obama is taking John Kasich along on a Bi-Partisan rally tour for the TPP. I can just see Trump quitting the night before the GE, and millions not getting the word, voting for him, and ending up with President Kasich.

I shit you not, when I read about their little tour (it's around here somewhere, another post?), my bullshit meter went right off...

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How stupid are these people. Let's say for the sake of argument, that Clinton's internal numbers are bleeding. Let's say also, that they believe that they need to motivate millennials to drop their third parties and vote for Hillary - they really believe that a vote for NOT Hillary is a vote for Trump. So they think the best way to motivate millennials is to - insult them? Blame them? I know that works for my kids (not). I see know that Hillary, Bernie and Obama are all in for the 'public option'. Didn't Hillary say that it would never ever ever happen?

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Democrats, we tried to warn you. How is that guilt and shame working out?

Fleur de Lisa's picture

It's a unicorn farting rainbows, if I recall correctly.

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Sorry, I got nothing else at this point...

How stupid are these people

So I get home from the office today, and TV is going--mr luna has a date with his Gibson tonight, see, and so he's getting ready for that--and he's got "Seinfeld" sort of blaring in the background. At some point soon after, the show cuts away for commercial, and I hear "I'm Hillary Clinton and I approved this ad..." And there is not one word about what is she going to do as President in this ad; it is all these allies of hers, simply stating how bad Donald Trump is.

Not one word. Somebody blew gobs and gobs of perfectly good money on this tripe. I know she has some supporters, still, and I seriously don't understand why that is....

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Jesus Christ, Camp Clinton's internal polling must have cratered, big-time if they're already floating this shit.

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--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

Potemkin election. (And with Hillary Clinton, Potemkin candidate, complete with what looks like a body double outside Chelsea's flat--10+ years younger and 15+ lbs. lighter, with many non-Hillary clues if you suspend disbelief and really look and listen. It's not CT if the conspiracy is actual, not theoretical.)

Seems to have been a show without substance for quite a few "election" cycles now. Bernie Sanders helped differentiate between illusion and reality for many of us, but there's still plenty of willful delusion and wishful thinking out there in the electorate.

It's up to the candidates to convince voters to vote for them. Barring fraud, an election loss is the responsibility of the candidate, not the voters. How hard is that to grok? Any "fault" is with Hillary Clinton, the DNC that colluded to shove her down our unwilling throats, and a supportive media that failed Unbiased Reporting 001 and Investigative Journalism 101 and went overboard with Trump Infotainment Ratings 301.

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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." --Jiddu Krishnamurti

Supposedly just a couple hours after a full Hillary collapse. When is she ever alone? There is always someone very close to her, generally a big guy right behind her

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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.

The voices in Hillary's head are comforting to her, because they smell like Big Brother and they tell her that she's the fairest in the land despite her trademark chronic lying and cheating. They love her, they really love her!

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

it is the millennials that created the corrupt clinton foundation that's been running the biggest pay to play scam in the history of this country. They were the ones that worked their little butts off suppressing votes and rigging the primary. They are the ones that voted for endless wars, deregulated the too big to fails, created the wall street prison system and are in bed with the MIC and big oil. And last but not least, they're the ones making poor Hillary lie about her health. And we thought we raised them better than this....sigh (they made her do this also)

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In a way, it's hard to watch this.

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From what I've now learned re Parkinson's, it's a method to stop involuntary hand contortions. Idle hands have a tendency to do very odd things with Parkinson's - and video cameras will easily pick this up. Evidently, idle hands need to be given a "focus" to keep them in rein.

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I can't wait until videos of her fondling her own breasts come out...

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

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Democrats, we tried to warn you. How is that guilt and shame working out?

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Fraternity President: "I, state your name."

Pledges: "I, state your name."

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"Just call me Hillbilly Dem(exit)."
-H/T to Wavey Davey

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Thank you for posting it.

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"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11

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of a "blessed leader" selected by "god" -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_right_of_kings

(assuming, of course, that "god" is represented on Earth by the 300-or-so members of the DNC and their "superdelegate" flunkies).

Extended to its conclusion, that road leads straight to Hell --> (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell)

"May your first day in Hell last 10,000 years -- and may that be the shortest!" ... curse of Lady Oriza to Black Dick -- Wolves of the Calla

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When Cicero had finished speaking, the people said “How well he spoke”.
When Demosthenes had finished speaking, the people said “Let us march”.

Blame the voters.

Seventy-seven per cent of Millennials don't find Clinton trustworthy? Don't they understand that both Clintons can always be trusted--to be self-serving liars.

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Ohio Millennials For Hillary Clinton."

Nicole Gaudiano, USA TODAY 5:39 p.m. EDT September 15, 2016

WASHINGTON — Sen. Bernie Sanders will head to Ohio on Saturday to help Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton in a battleground state where her poll numbers are flagging.

His mission: millennials.

[My italics. This is consistent with what I reported that FSC's staffers told reporter Glenn Thrush--Bernie will be dispatched to mostly college towns in an effort to garner the youth vote.]

The Vermont independent was a clear favorite among young people during his primary battle with Clinton, consistently leading overwhelmingly among 18-29-year-olds. Though Sanders lost Ohio, a CNN exit poll showed he won 81% of that age bracket in the Buckeye State.

At events in the Canton, Kent and Akron areas, Sanders is tasked with emphasizing Clinton’s proposals to help young people by, among other things, eliminating college tuition for working people and making free community college and debt-free college available to all Americans.

Sanders will kick off a “Weekend of Action” organizing event in the Canton area and rally Ohioans on college campuses in the Kent and Akron areas, according to the Clinton campaign’s announcement.

Sanders said during an interview that he aims to help Clinton by cutting through the media’s focus on personality politics and focusing on how Clinton tops GOP nominee Donald Trump on important issues. . . .

This is the same message that he's consistently cited on the Sunday talk shows, since the Convention.

I hope that C_S is correct, but I am concerned that many millennials will switch over. None in my own Family have done so, but their parents/grandparents (and preceding generations) have always been far to the left of the Democratic Party. And from what they tell us, quite a number of their friends--to their surprise and alarm--have gone over to the FSC column. So, my concern is that we may be 'in a bubble' here, considering that many, if not most, of us appear to be rather vehemently anti-'C.'

(Of course, this is a nonpartisan blog. Let me add that, since I know that I am not speaking for everyone; nor do I mean to do so.)

Anyhoo, I think it's very important that we continue our efforts to reach out to youth voters, in an effort to educate them about the devastating policy prescriptions that characterized WJC's eight years in office. Unfortunately, I fully expect that FSC will be even more adept at soliciting the cooperation of Republican corporatist/neoliberal lawmakers, or as she would put it--'reaching across the isle.'

(Reports are that her staff has already begun negotiations with Repubs on some of her legislative proposals--establishing an infrastructure bank, etc.)

With all the 'star power' that the Democratic Party will put forth, progressives/liberals really have their work cut out for them (I fear).

Maybe some of the millennials here--and, frankly, I'm not certain who they are--can help us figure out the best course, or strategy to achieve this.

Mollie


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--Stasha Wong, Secretary, Save Our Street Dogs (SOSD)

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Update: Misty May has been adopted. Yeah!

Misty May - NMDR

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And from what they tell us, quite a number of their friends...have gone over to the FSC column

In our circle--my little Bubble outside this blog, if you will, where mr. luna's band brings in everything from millennials to senior citizens--the young ones are, for the most part, staying home. It killed me to hear talk about how Bernie getting berned really turned them off. Many of them were convinced the voting was rigged.

Can't argue there, I must say...

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but, if it means fewer votes cast for FSC, we may be better off.

What dumbfounds us is that Dr Stein doesn't garner more than roughly 4% of the vote, according to most polls. Heck, huge numbers of people don't even recognize her name (supposedly). We simply don't 'get it.'

*Sigh*

Mollie


“I believe in the redemptive powers of a dog’s love. It is in recognition of each dog’s potential to lift the human spirit, and, therefore, to change society for the better, that I fight to make sure every street dog has its day.”
--Stasha Wong, Secretary, Save Our Street Dogs (SOSD)

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I think you're spot-on with "(supposedly)."

Can't convince me -- based on real-life conversations and what I see online, especially on social media -- that the 4% polling is nothing but a ruse to keep Stein out of the debates. At first, I thought that was because she'd flatten HRC (which she would). But now I think there's more at stake -- they have to keep Stein and Johnson out, so that they can cancel the debates altogether.

As for name recognition, that's also BS. I haven't met a single person who hasn't heard Stein's name, at least. Of course, they may not know much more than that, but they've heard of her.

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I think you're spot-on with "(supposedly)."

You'll absolutely know it's rigged if Jill Stein and/or Gary Johnson ends up in single digits. Because that'll be bullshit...there are so many more pissed off people this year than any election year I can remember...

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Look for low turnout. VERY low turnout. She ain't even gonna get that 52% to turn out and vote.

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--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

Got nowhere googling FSC and FSC Clinton. What does this acronym or initials mean?

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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.

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"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

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Kremlin sources say the Clinton campaign “sent their goons to give Jane Sanders the shakedown,” in order to end the Bernie Sanders campaign before the convention, citing evidence from one of 10,000 Hillary emails Putin has in his personal possession.

This was from July 29:
http://yournewswire.com/putin-hacked-emails-reveal-that-clinton-threaten...

Wiki-leak also has these e-mails and has threatened to release them.

We don't know Bernie's side of the story yet, and when we do it might help explain what he's doing now.

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she has literally imitated and mocked him in a taped interview, long before Bernie ran for President. She seemed to despise Putin. Probably, at least partly, because she was discredited by her failed 'reset.'

I would 'probably' take Assange's word--if he produces an actual email that can be authenticated. Otherwise, I'm not prone to believe that Bernie, or his family members, were threatened with bodily harm. (Just my opinion.) For one thing, there are too many other mechanisms for keeping lawmakers 'in place,' for the Democratic Leadership to have to resort to that.

I do agree that if Bernie wanted to run for the Senate again--and he stated before he formally endorsed FSC, that he intends to do so--he has to pretty much play their game (to avoid harsh retaliation). Had he refused, I imagine that they would have made his life miserable, maybe would have found a way to deny him his retirement (or something like that), and certainly, they probably would work against his reelection.

To me and mine, it's a lesson that it's more productive (for us) to work outside of the Democratic Party.

Hey, I wish him well; but, at this point, we've chosen to move on. I doubt that we'll ever know exactly 'what' transpired; and, I'm not sure, at this point, that it really matters. To quote a somewhat right-wing phrase, "It is, what it is."

Pleasantry

Mollie


“I believe in the redemptive powers of a dog’s love. It is in recognition of each dog’s potential to lift the human spirit, and, therefore, to change society for the better, that I fight to make sure every street dog has its day.”
--Stasha Wong, Secretary, Save Our Street Dogs (SOSD)

National Mill Dog Rescue (NMDR) - Dogs Available For Adoption

Update: Misty May has been adopted. Yeah!

Misty May - NMDR

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Hillary Clinton mocks Vladimir Putin with voice impersonation: ‘Excellent, excellent idea’

[video:https://youtu.be/eYO-AqWR9mo width:400 height:350]

Mollie


“I believe in the redemptive powers of a dog’s love. It is in recognition of each dog’s potential to lift the human spirit, and, therefore, to change society for the better, that I fight to make sure every street dog has its day.”
--Stasha Wong, Secretary, Save Our Street Dogs (SOSD)

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It is what it is.....

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I doubt that we'll ever know exactly 'what' transpired; and, I'm not sure, at this point, that it really matters.

"What transpired" is now a part of the history of this country's governance--such as it remains--and that slice of history will fit into a bigger picture down the road. It did; it does; and it will continue to matter, because this is about governance that is no longer by or for any other people than those who are stripping the very foundations out from under that governance, while they continue to loot its Treasury.

And if what transpired involved threats, coercion or anything else that might be considered to be seriously out of line, to a sitting Senator, by the candidacy of a former First Lady/former Senator/former Secretary of State, it most certainly does matter.

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here at C99P 'know' what happened. Speaking for myself, I certainly don't claim to have all, or any of the facts, regarding how the Dem Leadership dealt with Bernie during/after the primary. (The DNC emails, aside.)

However, in my opinion, no one could have prevented Bernie from proffering his resignation--if he had chosen to do so. And I would think that this would be true, whether or not he, or his family members, were threatened.

So, my 'guess' is that Bernie enjoys being a Senator--he said a couple of months ago that he is definitely planning to make another run. Maybe he's willing to do what he has to do, in order to satisfy the Dem Party Leadership, and maintain his position/status. Dunno.

Again, I don't pretend to have any 'inside information.' Obviously, anything I say is speculation. So, I'm basically content to let you and others hash this matter out. Good luck! And, if at some future time, I should have some sudden insight, or gain some new information, I'll gladly share it.

Mollie


“I believe in the redemptive powers of a dog’s love. It is in recognition of each dog’s potential to lift the human spirit, and, therefore, to change society for the better, that I fight to make sure every street dog has its day.”
--Stasha Wong, Secretary, Save Our Street Dogs (SOSD)

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I'm looking forward to Bernie's book and am hoping that he will share some of his inner thoughts about the opposition he was up against, etc. Other stuff we may not know until someone retires from public life, or later when it won't matter anymore.

I still support Bernie, and think something must have happened...

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Cali. Bernie went dark after Cali, shut his campaign down, just when it should have been in Howard Dean "damn the torpedos... " mode.

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That was followed up by those visits to Obama, Biden, and Reid.

No soap. No help.

After that, he basically fell in line.

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--Zack de la Rocha

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more sinister. Like a horse head in his bed. But, yeah, there's no doubt that there was much pressure from the top to Sit Down and Shut the Fuck Up! You're Done!
Bernie is totally anti-Trump. Jews I know fear deportation. (for real). I don't think he expects that, but he knows the Drumpster is no friend of jews. It was likely very difficult to give way to Her Highness (knowing Team HRC totally fucked him), but he really had - and has - no choice if he wishes to continue what he started. I suspect and expect we'll see the Real Bernie next summer, after HRC's honeymoon over.
"It's clear that Her Highness is not living up to the platform we built in Philly. (she was never going to, of course). So, we're getting the band back together, gathering the BernieBros and Bernie-or-Busters and taking this caravan down the road. Let the dogs bark, 2018 is ours!"
Bernie may have to bend over and kiss Her Highness' ass for now. But, that ain't gonna last long. HRC is a one-termer. Bernie playing the long game.

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(like I have), ALL of his comments before Philly, during Philly, and post-Philly are, "we must defeat Drump," Not "Hillary is the best candidate Evah! She is what America NEEDS right now!" His "praise" of Her Highness was and is of the faint variety, and he can barely get that faint praise out of his mouth. Bernie did not cave. Unless one believes he should have flipped them all off, HRC, DWS and the DNC with a big F.U. and rode off into the sunset, the rogue candidate. Bernie just playing the hand dealt. It's a shitty hand, and he has to wait for better cards. His hand gets better next summer, unless his once faithful flip him off with a big "F.U., Bernie, you sold us out!" well, wah. stay home and whine.

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I figured that there had been threats involved; probably brass-knucks too, and maybe some ball-busting. Possibly even a bit of "wet work" (for a captive "audience", of course). My constant "ululation" during the primaries was --

"Please, Bernie -- Stay Alive!!"

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When Cicero had finished speaking, the people said “How well he spoke”.
When Demosthenes had finished speaking, the people said “Let us march”.

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so we should have faith in our own intuition where this is concerned. Don't think for a moment that they'd never get violent over it. Of course they would!

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Lol, probably everybody has these emails - and Wikileaks had better release them ASAP. I knew it must be something like that... That woman and other corporate Dems must be kept out of office and real representatives somehow got in, or hell will look like a vacation spot from anywhere/everywhere in the world in very short order.

What do they think the saner leaders of other countries are thinking of the prospect of the Clintons or a similar greed-and-power-maddened corporate mafia running the US military and in control of the nukes? Who do they think will survive this? Who would actually want to?

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

Shame on Bernie! He had to honor his pledge to not run third party or independent, but he doesn't have to join the lying machine and act as Judas Goat to the kids that trusted him. I'm sorry I voted for him in the primary. Just another Hillary shill.

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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.

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he couldn't refuse.

It won't work, anyway.

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--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

TheOtherMaven's picture

He has made this abundantly clear, frequently, and he assumes the only way to "Stop Trump!" is to vote for Her Rotten Criminality.

To him, apparently, Shillary = Edwin Edwards (acquitted crook) and Trump = David Duke (Neo-Nazi). "Vote for the crook, it's important". (It worked for Edwards, because Duke was so distasteful to the voters - not clear it will work this time.)

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There is no justice. There can be no peace.

Centaurea's picture

Edwin Edwards was eventually convicted of racketeering and extortion, and served time in the federal pen. So sometimes there is justice.

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"If you want revolution, be it."
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elenacarlena's picture

either Stein or Johnson. And my 80+-year-old parents are voting Stein.

Almost nobody likes Clinton or Trump. Talking them into third party has been pretty easy.

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kharma's picture

They will make it all about Bernie and his supporters when they lose.

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There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties.. This...is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution.--John Adams

Thumb's picture

"If only those voters who didn't vote for us would have voted for us we would have won! It's all their fault!"

Not even wrong.

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"Polls don't tell us how well a candidate is doing; Polls tell us how well the media is doing." ~ Me

lunachickie's picture

if she loses, the Party is sunk, too. The USS Clinton did it to themselves.

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Thaumlord-Exelbirth's picture

Not only will it mortally wound the Republican party, his presidency may start sinking the Democratic party's ship into the frothing waves of the bullshit sea they willingly sailed into.

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lotlizard's picture

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SnappleBC's picture

If only those voters who didn't vote for us would have voted for us we would have won!

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A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard

cardboardurinal's picture

has already started that process. If she wins, they will use it to lock millennials, and their issues, out, and Chuck Schumer will undermine Bernie in the Senate.

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lunachickie's picture

he's a loudmouth blogger on the latest Suckup Bandwagon at Mother Jones. He's noboody, relative to the Big Spin Machine for the Corpo-Dems.

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lotlizard's picture

something seems to have happened over at the twin blogs Docudharma and The Stars Hollow Gazette.

Editor ek hornbeck is the same as s/he is here at c99p. But editor TMC now seems to be all in as anti-Trump and pro-Hillary, with every post.

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Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

Wonder what's up?

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

lunachickie's picture

AYFKM?

Is Budhy still around, or is it a blog in his name only now? That would blow my mind....

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Driving the Millenials to the Greens or even the Libertarians hastens the end of the two-faced, One-corporatist Party political system.

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Vowing To Oppose Everything Trump Attempts.

Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

She has one for if she loses, and one for if she wins. Progressives, Bernie supporters, and 3rd-party folks, especially white ones, are going to be the fall guys if she loses.

Guess who will be the fall guy if she wins (ugh)

Believe me, this is one case where I am happy to be the fall guy, given the alternative.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

lunachickie's picture

Fuck these people, CStS.

They can call me whatever they want. I'm not owning their loss. I don't have to. And neither do you.

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gulfgal98's picture

is trying to alienate as many voters as possible. Sounds like a great campaign strategy...NOT!

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

murphthesurf's picture

Spot on.
I hope you sent this to his publication,
He needs to read it.

Peace -
Murph

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Thumb's picture

What a coincidence! This was almost exactly what Kevin Drum posted at Mother Jones yesterday. It's as if a memo went out.

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cardboardurinal's picture

ellipsis. I think it would provide stronger insight into what you are implying.

Which I agree with, btw.

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Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

currently working her ass off at an Arby's and trying to take a couple college courses at the same time.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

Dammit, these kids think they actually have the right to vote with their own interests rather than against them! America isn't supposed to be a democracy, you peasants - it's a Republic where the top bananas rule, and they should support this! Even if Dolefully and working for peanuts and about to be demoted to working for the shells.

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

edg's picture

The Coronation has floundered. HMS Hillary is sinking. The new wars and resultant arms sales won't materialize. Wall Street may not be allowed to run as far amok. Neoliberalism is being questioned. The 1% may not get richer faster. Dang you Millenials!!

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enhydra lutris's picture

terrifying on them. You notice that on Kos, it is always treated as a mere insult, as not representing any real thing, because they cannot look it and or themselves in the eye and say "yes, this is good, I support this".

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

lotlizard's picture

either mean nothing at all — or, even more obtuse, are anti-Semitic code words — pops up in the most unexpected places.

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Wink's picture

F'ing the Ubers and Filthys (rich / 1%) by not showing them the proper respect. Whatever happened to kowtowing to the Ubers and Filthys?

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Not Henry Kissinger's picture

I'm sure a coordinated "Vote for me, Shithead!" pitch will work wonders.

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The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?

I really don't understand, if they think they really need the millenials, how insulting them is going to somehow get them to vote for you?

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Democrats, we tried to warn you. How is that guilt and shame working out?

Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

like they've bullied us, and the Boomers, for the past 25 years.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

ThoughtfulVoter's picture

They must have forgotten about how Madeleine Albright's attempt to bully women blew up in Hillary's face!

There are psycho undertones to this type of voter mind control...I the candidate know what is right for you the lowly voter, and you really don't have the ability to decide, and so here I'll tell you who to vote for. Even Obama has jumped on this wagon, and as President is endorsing someone we feel is unethical, but oh well, he is President and he knows better than we the voter.

I am glad we have a generation of millennials that can do their own research, make up their own minds, and stand by their own ethical values!! Surely the future of our country will be better for these folks being our future leaders!

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Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

A Hillbot once told me the electoral college was there to "put a check on the people's passions," and that superdelegates were basically a refined version of the same thing.

This notion that maybe, as Erin Burnett of CNN once said to Pete Petersen, "Democracy is the problem," is being floated repeatedly--carefully of course, and usually indirectly. But wait till Biden ends up being the appointed, non-elected alternative to a Trump who, whatever else is true about him, at least won his nomination through a larger number of voters showing up and casting a ballot for him.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

gulfgal98's picture

If the millennials I met in Occupy are representative of millennials in general, they have very finely tuned bullshit meters. They know that they have been screwed by the politicians their entire lives and they will not be bullied into voting for the status quo which is exactly what Hillary Clinton represents. She has given them absolutely NO reason to vote for her. The majority will either vote third party or not vote at all.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

cardboardurinal's picture

better than the Editor-in-Chief of Mother Jones', Clara Jeffery, tweet.

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lunachickie's picture

nothing the least bit coincidental about it Wink

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k9disc's picture

It is high time that we overthrow the 40 year Tyranny of the Millennials.

They've been leading Hillary around by the nose since the 1990s.

You think "Think about the Children..." was a "coincidence? Hell no!

Millennials have been destroying American public policy and damaging Democratic election chances for decades.

Some people say that the Millennials supported Hitler.

I've heard that Millennials were Goldwater supporters.

Gulf of Tonkin? Millennial meddling.

Arms for hostages? Millennials...

The list goes on and on.

When will Americans come to their senses and overthrow the Tyranny of the Millennials?

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“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu

Who is going to be smeared as being the Putin of the Millennial Generation?

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Vowing To Oppose Everything Trump Attempts.

Big Al's picture

so completely affected by propaganda as to not know what Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton and those that support them, like the neocons, the MIC, Wall Street, etc., are all about. Maybe a combination of both.

That's kind of the whole deal right there. Clinton is a war criminal, a neoliberal capitalist for the top 1%, and a supporter of the fascist police state that has emerged in this country since 9/11. Some people know that and understand what it means. Others don't know it, largely because they get their information from sources that don't tell them the truth, the oligarchy's media system. Talk about historical ignorance, to support Clinton is very historically ignorant because the evidence of her crimes and misdeeds are everywhere.

One thing that stands out is this "Seventy-seven percent of voters 18-34 find Clinton untrustworthy, compared to 65 percent of all likely voters." Evidently the writer didn't really think about that one.

But, there's plenty of blame to go around. We the Serfs have to take some blame here for allowing this to travesty to go forward, and for allowing this political system to take us down the road we're on.

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edg's picture

Changing from written to numeric format is a classic statistics befuddlement techniques. Seventy-seven sounds huge. 65 sounds way smaller.

Also note the shift from "voters" to "likely voters". Comparing apples and oranges perhaps?

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Big Al's picture

Leaning toward shill on this one.

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Shahryar's picture

edg, it means I don't trust her, you don't trust her, and some paid shill writer does (or at least says so)

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thanatokephaloides's picture

But, there's plenty of blame to go around. We the Serfs have to take some blame here for allowing this to travesty to go forward, and for allowing this political system to take us down the road we're on.

This assumes that there ever was a time when ordinary, working-class Americans were ever in control of the country and its government -- an assertion far from established. And it goes without mention that the vast majority of Americans now living have never experienced any such thing.

In today's state of affairs, where there is literally nothing at all the corporate oligarchs need from us serfs, this goes double. In generations past, the oligarchs at least needed us to work and spend money. Today, they don't even need that. There's literally nothing left we can withhold that means anything to those in power.

One cannot exercise control one does not possess.

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"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

Big Al's picture

people. We have rights, even in an imperfect Constitution, that we can exercise. We're not blameless. We could do something about this, we far outnumber those who rule us. Granted, they have controls, a far reaching government, the school system, the church system, and an oligarchy controlled media that keep most of the population half brainwashed. But we have responsibilities as citizens of more than just voting and letting these politicians make decisions for us. It's time to turn the whole thing around.

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"Just call me Hillbilly Dem(exit)."
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thanatokephaloides's picture

We can withhold our consent to be governed by these people.

I've been doing that in one way or another since 1965, at the age of seven. Yet I have yet to live even one day not "governed by these people". I have yet to live one day in a USA on a peace footing with a non-interventionist foreign policy, my repeated demands for just that notwithstanding. And it's my understanding you have about 10 years on me in this regard, Al. And you haven't lived any more days not "governed by these people" than I have.

We could do something about this, we far outnumber those who rule us.

Precisely what? As you correctly point out, voting doesn't work. Even when we get to do it (ask Dammit Janet about that one!) our "choices" are of the "death by arsenic or death by hemlock" types; there isn't even any "lesser" evil any more, but just plain evil. I can add to that by way of personal testimony that protesting, striking, boycotts, petitions, calling campaigns, and sit-ins don't, either. Americans of good will have worked every non-violent avenue they possess to full and complete exhaustion; yet we are no closer to having a non-evil peace-loving foreign footprint than a full century ago in General Smedley Butler's time when he made the same sorts of complaints about our military and foreign policy decisions that we here on c99p do today.

So is there something I'm missing? I'll readily admit that I've become quite the Cynic in recent years, as my health has started to fail and the realization that I will never possess either affluence or any significant power has sunk in. So I could indeed be missing something; it's happened before and could well be happening here.

But if so, what is it? Precisely how do we "turn this thing around", as you say? What haven't we tried yet?

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"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

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