What would be your favorite country to emigrate to?

So, I like to know, if you could emigrate and settle somewhere else and could work there, which country would you choose? Which one and why? What do you hope to find that you don't have here in the US ?

Or may be you just pick one blindly out of a pot with pieces of papers on which a name of a country is written on?

Imagine you would not have an employer sending you out, nor an employer in the new country who has promised to hire you. But you would be allowed to work there, if you had found an employer in your country of choice. (Dream on ...)

Imagine you would have to live in dependence on that country's laws, you wouldn't be there under protection of US military or any other US organization or UN organization.

Can you even imagine to leave the US for goof? Do you really know what it would mean? Do you believe you know what would get yourself into? And I would like an answer from those, who are not filthy rich. Just a normal example of us little people.

Ok, I expect to have fun with your answers. Thanks. And Good Evening.

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Bollox Ref's picture

I know it sounds nutty, but when I was small, making up countries and maps, I came back from visiting St. Albans Cathedral and deciding that I was going to create a country called Albania.

And then I discovered there was a country called Albania.

And then I discovered family links.

I'm not going to emigrate there, but I would love to visit. Gazur!

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Gëzuar!!
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Illyria in Shakspeare's Twelfth Night.

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I assume if I had to emigrate, it would probably be to the land of my birth, Sverige (Sweden). My parents were from Eesti (Estonia), but the standard of living is not particularly high there and even though politically stable, one worries about the threat from Putin's sabre-rattling ilk. Not to mention my on-going health issues which would make Sverige the hands-down choice.

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IPCC says the climate is going to stay stable, they export food, and they have plenty of water.

Plus the place looks gorgeous in the LotR movies. And penguins, don't forget the penguins!

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There's a new movie in current (scant US) release called "Hunt for the Wilderpeople". Incredible movie about a boy disenfranchised by foster care who gets lost in the New Zealand wilderness. It's a comedy that will make your heart soar.

It's because New Zealand produces such wonderfully fun and uplifting art and entertainment that I too would choose New Zealand as my emigration destination.

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Wacky and heart wrenching at the same time. Highly recommended.

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I read they are doing to New Zealand what they did to Vancouver BC - and I just saw that for myself this past summer. Not a pretty sight!

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this made me laugh "to leave the US for goof?" Wacko

Thanks a great question Mimi Good , I don't have an answer for you at the moment, but off the tip of my head, somewhere not so damn hot! (I live in Texas...) As long as I have electricity to run my editing workstation and broadband internet service, (oh god and air conditioning!) I can work basically, from anywhere!

I'ld like to have one of those old, abandoned nuke silo's New russian and convert it into a work / life environment. Go totally off the grid, have a few acres of solar arrays, farm for food and be completely self sustainable. Dirol

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A friend asked, "If you won the lottery and could live anywhere, where would you live?"

I replied without hesitation, "Barcelona." Only been once, but I fell in love. It reminded me of my hometown of San Francisco in some ways.

But we've actually talked about retiring in Languedoc. Don't know if we ever will, but it seems potentially doable.

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when she was in college and absolutely fell in love with the place. We had always talked about going there for either vacation or, who knows...Any time I ever talked about any place, she always brought up Barcelona, "Honey, We need to go to Barcelona"....

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near Barcelona to make that move, right? Smile

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I'm not sure I would want to live their, cause I do prefer the nuke silo thing for sure. I wonder if the US has any left over nuke silo's in Spain? But then again, they probably need it for water boarding suspects.

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folks may not think it's funny and take us for wacko. *wackos*. All I know is that Washington DC is too hot and humid.

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What a great place Catalonia is. Very friendly to the traveler, too.

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So why Grenada instead of some of the other islands?

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An insider's joke.

Grenada is the site of the only war that the US has not lost since World War II.

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I've got some countries in mind. I've got a friend in Spain, an internet friend in Amsterdam (I think...is that right?). Ireland is pretty and looks like Oregon.

I'd be happiest, though, to stay right here and have the United States break apart into regions. "Cascadia" sounds just about right.

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IF we could get rid of the violent "cops" and the crazy gun nuts.

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so, I see, you are all going nowhere... Smile Though you are filthy rich /s ... oh yes, you are.

RR, you want a silo of nuclear missile? Got to go to Montana. Me? No way, I woildn't go to Monatane. It's flat and cold there where the silos are. Too cold.
too. You can get a cold-o-phobia.

New Zealand? Too far away. But I would visit. If I were filthy richt.

I think Portugal or Spain ... that would be nice. Could grow food. But no work there. In Portugal.

I gave my job to a young Portuguese guy, before I retired. I think he had three Masters degrees and worked for a well respected film publishing house in Germany, before he came to the US. He was quite happy to get my job for which he was overqualified. ... and I thought I had done something good to hand it over to a young gun.

Well... very strange life. I could tell a story or so. It's all total bullshit, life, isn't it?

Ok, need to sleep some more. Thanks. Have a good life. All. Be kind to each other. Good Night.

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If I had to leave the US and live somewhere else. The tradeoff between things I can get here but not there and things I can get there but not here is about even. Plus I just love London.

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bereft and bereaved, I'd go back to Oxford and find rooms at my college, do some tutoring, and perambulate the Fellows' Garden of a late May afternoon ...

Balliol College, Oxford

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but I'm very irritated with about 75% of their government. They're too politically close to us for my taste.

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"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
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we came from Cameroon, made stop-over in Paris (where we slept in a very old inn, tavern, which my then eight year old son said of: "It is much, much better than what he thought") and then to London, where we slept again in a very old inn, tavern, which my son said of: "It stinks like toilet". Smile He was right in both cases. Kids.

I don't know England, Ireland or Scotland. I learned in the US that somehow the Irish and the German don't go well together chemistry wise, when they are in the US. I had no clue about it. Smile

I think I had less difficulties to adapt in France than in England. But then it's easier to study in England than in France. But what the heck, I grew old, more or less happily uneducated. ... and I guess will die that way.

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for a number of years now. This year I became incredibly serious about it, and my research has become a lot more extensive. My first choice is Ireland. Second is Portugal. Why? I heavily identify with two groups...Native Americans and Celts.

I am a freelancer, so I do not need to worry about an employer, just keeping myself on track so that I can afford what I need, and sometimes even what I want. = ) I am also on social security Though well below the average, I do have that to fall back on. It helps that I do not want to live in the metropolitan areas.

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ten list and best of for each of the ten lists places to retire (ca 2010 iirc). We had frequent fliers, and DH had been there a couple of times on business, but France was the only country on every one of the ten lists.

Outside of several larger cities the ability to live on our SS plus one pension even though we have to pay for international health insurance, is very doable and half or less the monthly cost in the US.

We looked everywhere in the US first, but with no transportation infrastructure and as we age the need to move from a rural environment to a city, we liked DC and surroundings, NYC, Chicago, Boston, and a few other. Absolutely unattainable for us.

So when the lists came out we checked out France. It is meeting our expectations and possibly more. The standard of living is very comfortable; transportation everywhere, even rural; good wholesome food; housing is less expensive even if we have to rent the rest of our lives; many services are much less expensive than the US which includes out of pocket health costs.

We just renewed our yearly visa for the second time which means our third visa. No trouble at all. Getting our business, home sold, accounts moved, and ways to transfer money from there to here have been our biggest hassles. The US does not take kindly to citizens leaving.

We have a lobby, Association for Americans Residing Overseas. They are fighting for reinstatement of portable Medicare, which although we have paid into all our lives we cannot use here. The only country that does this.

Congress constantly mumbles about doing something nasty with our Soc Sec as well. If they succeed, then we would indeed be in a fix.

Actually glad to be gone. We had to go to the embassy in Bern, and it was the only place we saw guys and gals with guns (for hire). We both had a significant negative visceral reaction to what we saw and how we were treated (cattle or sheep) and were relieved when we paid our $50 per signature for the US notary on the sale of our house and got out of there.

More and more of our ties are severed and we literally now could not afford to go back. We have no closet uncle with wads of cash. We too can write, and research from here, and decide how to declare income.

Our bank has been very good to us about all the delays in money transfers, overdraws and such. But slowly getting it smoothed out. They also have to keep an eye on our accounts for the IRS: where does our money come from; where does it go? They must file a yearly report.

We have been treated kindly, and for the most part everyone has tried to help us when needed. Neighbors introduce themselves, then let you have as much privacy as you like.

We are trying to assimilate, and it is much appreciated. Anyways, that's enough for now. But here we are watching everything we love in terrible turmoil.

Our house we sold was a completely restored 1912 house, which was completed by a super builder and was his last project also. He and his wife containered everything and moved to Ecuador. The trickle of people leaving is becoming a stream. There are about 9 million US living overseas not including military or officials.

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They are fighting for reinstatement of portable Medicare, which although we have paid into all our lives we cannot use here. The only country that does this.

It's not the only country that does that. Germany does the same thing with its expatriates. In Germany you have a sort of public health insurance for all, one that you have to have, unless you can prove you make enough money to pay for a private health insurance and are covered under one (much more expensive). Through your whole life this public health insurance in Germany is there for you, adapted to your income and status, from student, to working under an employer and as a retiree, always adjusted what sort of income you have. It's a good plan, and most Germans have no idea what they have in that plan, before they lose it or live overseas.

So, before I came to the US in 1982 I had such German public health insurance. When you work in Germany, you are not really aware of what and how much it costs to be covered. Half of the premiums are covered by the employer (or if you are unemployed fully), the other half is deducted automatically from your monthly pay and most of the time you don't pay attention of how much that is, when you are a German.

But you lose the right to re-enter that health insurance, when you are overseas (out of Germany) for more than 10 years. And they don't cover you outside of Germany (there have been several changes within the last twenty to thirty years, I think they cover you within EU countries. So a German, working in France, still was covered by the German health insurance, I believe. I am too lazy to research all the changes they made in the EU for that matter)

In the US I first was covered under my husband's health insurance package he had through his employer (UN related entity). I was never sick, so I didn't even know how to use it and how well it would have covered what I would have needed. Same thing was true for my then husband and my son.

After separation and divorce, I lost that coverage, as did my son.

The German employers (working for them in the US) I had after being on my own, all didn't offer a health insurance package in the US. So, I paid into a private health insurance in Germany that covered internationally. They were good, covered my dentals here in the US to 80 percent. But they were very expensive in premiums.

When finally my German employer offered its employees, locally hired into their US based offices, there was the option for me to be covered by that new US package. But it didn't cover enough for real things, when you need it. Luckily I was never sick. If I had been sick with cancer, like my niece, who died here in the US of it, it would have wiped me out financially. My niece was lucky to be a tenured professor in the US, which offered a very good health insurance for. Nevertheless, my sister, her mother in Germany, always kept her German public health insurance alive and paid for it, just in case... So much trust we have in the Americans, heh ...

So, I kept my German private health insurance in a "non-active, sleeping mode" that still costs me monthly premiums, but lower ones. It gave me the option and right, when I would return to Germany, to re-activate that insurance without conditions (like age and pre-extisting conditions would not considered). It was so to speak a guarantee that I still could have in Germany private health insurance coverage, when I came back to re-settle there.

My son meanwhile had never any job or employer in the US, who offered health insurance, because they were so kind to never give him enough hours to be eligible, a trick they just perfected to an art. The only time when my son was covered in the US, was when he enlisted in the USAF.

My son's girf friend has no insurance on her own, because all she can find (with bacherlor degree and that girl is a tough, hard-working cookie) are part-time jobs (and she has her student loan to pay back as well). That's why she ended up working on a cruise ship, like my son, roof over their heads (bunk bed cabin shared with four people), food and health insurace were given. But most of the cruise ship hospitality workers can't make that more than two years. It's hard, hard work, very low pay and with quite inhumane work schedules.

So I kept paying the German private insurance for him, which covered him internationally, on and off, dependent if he had some coverage by an US health insurer or not. A hassle. I cancelled it when he was in the USAF and when he left the military, he had coverage through the VA. He had, dependent on the jobs he had, additional isurance through his US employers, but that changed constantly, because employers don't give you full-time hours consistantly.

Ok, now meanwhile I started to get older and the question was, if I may return to Germany for my old age. I learned that after 35 years being in the US, I would not have a right anymore to get back into the German public health insurance, which I could afford as a "poor" retiree. So, I would have to prove that I was in Germany insured privately and re-activate that German private insurance. Which I could, just the premiums are higher than my little retiree money (US SS and a little something from Germany).

So now I have this lovely situation that, if I were to go back to Germany, to have to pay more for my private German health insurance than I have retirement income so far, and can't use the US Medicare in Germany. Then I have to go begging to the German public health insurers and prove to them that I am dirt poor. I am not sure though, if I am dirt poor enough. I pray that I am poor enough now.

Well, ain't that funny?

One other thing people forget when moving overseas and working there and then come back to where they came from, is that you accumulate SS money in the US not long enough to have a large enough SS monthly income, and you accumulate something similar in the country you moved into that is similar to your SS, but also, because of lack of time lenght you might work overseas, is way too little. And you forget that with two retirement payments, one in US $ and one in Euro, you end up not knowing how much you have each month, if the currency exchange rates fluctuate. Which, if your overall retirement money is low, can lead to some headaches.

And if you were lucky enough to be able to save money into some annuities that currency exchange rate is also something that makes you jittery.

Of course for my son, he doesn't have the money power to even get into something like that, and if an employer offers a 401K, but then you many have it only for half a year, because you lose your full-time rights etc. it just turns out to be ridiculous. I saved my money in order to help my son have any sort of annuity for his retirement. Which I think is a ridiculous thing to have to do. Suzie Orman admitted lately that all the smart advice she used to give to younger folks that used to work, doen't work anymore. So, what is then supposed to work for the little people?

Reading about Americans retiring overseas or being able to hip-hop from overseas back to the US, makes me believe they might be "filthy somewhat rich" and rather oldish matured and wise.

Younger folks work for a while overseas or study overseas but then, I guess, there are mamas and papas or grandpas and grandmas with a little money put aside for their kiddos. They make sure they can fall back on if they need to come back to the US. Or otherwise they never come back to the US.

Meanwhile a couple of "poor little people" go bankcrupt and homeless, while
thousands of square feet commercial real estate is empty, but their door entrances are occupied by homeless people, who make their home under the roofs of the little entrance nooks to be protected against rain.

I mean, can't help to rub it into you, I doubt that in good 'ol Russia, people freeze to death, when they are homeless. But they do here in the US. They are poor everywhere, the US or Russia. Question is how do you take care of your poor and old folks.

Meanwhile we have "the new poor", the refugees, seeking entrance into "rich" Germany in the hundreds of thousands. They might have been poor, before they fled from their home countries, but not helpless. The had roofs over their heads in some form, food to cook and smartness to learn and help themselves.

Thanks to our frigging politicians, who are too stupid to understand the unintended consequences of their "wars of and against terror" and their desires to dig out of mama earth whatever they need and fill their bank accounts.

Nuts all around. Occupy the politicians and their corporate lobbyist bribers.

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Nowadays I spend a lot of time in the Netherlands too, and would be able to move to Amsterdam but for some bureaucratic barriers related to my still being a U.S. citizen past retirement age.

Never having paid into the Dutch system, I have to prove that I will never need to “leech” benefits off it. I would have to document income adequate to, among other things, keep paying for German medical insurance.

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for example while I have to prove to be poor enough to get into the German public health insurance system as a returning German citizen, my son (not a German citizen anymore) would have to prove to be rich enough to be allowed into the system. And beg for the permission to live there and work there. I guess he is seen as some African asylum seeker ... that's life.

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A lot more of us *talk* about leaving than those who can afford to.

I think it's a faint cultural memory of relocation as a way of dealing with politically insufferable people:

She was an American girl
Raised on promises
She couldn't help thinking that there
Was a little more to life...somewhere else

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there at "somewhere else". Learning by doing, only way.

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to one of the left-wing South American countries. But what I'm guessing is probably a CIA-backed operation down there is taking down most of the left-wing governments. Well, I shouldn't leave out the help we've been getting from the other 4 members of OPEC in dealing with that rascal Venezuela.

Pfft.

So, y'all are giving me some good ideas here--NZ? I'm sure Kate would love it. I'd want to visit first.

Wish I could do one of the Scandinavian countries, but I have some SAD problems even in the NE U.S.

France sounds absolutely lovely, LCH--only been there briefly. Always assumed I couldn't afford it.

As for our government, no, they don't like the way it looks when large numbers of us leave.

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who has "retired" to a small island state in the Caribbean, and spent a number of years in the USA and have some relatives still there.... I would rather starve than live in the USA. I don't feature me or my family (some of whom are in Maryland) being shot down in a traffic stop. I don't feature having my grandkids forced to go to some disaster zone school, and (frankly) I don't much care for the culture of most white Americans.

Bolivia is radical, very radical in a multitude of ways. Bolivia is hard on foreigners... the culture is about as alien as it would be living in the Congolese bush. The services, while amazing for us Bolivians, seem a complete disaster to extranjeros. The land rules are strange. But, being from a "radical" tradition, American and some European cultures seem sick to me... sort of like the cultural equivalent of H. Clinton's parkinsburger.

The Caribbean though is easy, very easy to adjust to for Americans and Europeans and Latinos. There are a lot of independent states and European colonies (French and British) to choose just the right niche. Even for a racially different Hispanic, there is no hidden racism, and a more or less happy, easy-going way of being. Also, its easy to grow food and fairly cheap to live if you can dig up enough capital (by selling a lower middle class home?) to build or buy a small house with a bit of a farm. Of course, having close relatives in the USA or Europe who send some "remisas" (some money once in awhile) is a big help.

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That close relative would be me ... and the remisas can add up quickly, if there is no job in those niche islands. And I want to get into that niche too...

How about Cuba? I could go, my son could not. Jeez, it's always something, and mostly something stupid.

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country. Though y'all are pretty much the last ones standing now that Dilma has been accused of something something and removed by people who are apparently guilty of the same stuff they're accusing her of...

But I don't assume I'll fit in anywhere until I've visited many times, preferably learned the (local version of) the language, made some friends, eaten the food.

Just because I agree with y'all's politics doesn't mean I'd be able to live there. I know that.

Still, living in Neoliberalism Central (aka the U.S.) for me is like watching a zombie version of someone you once loved stumbling around looking for people to kill and eat. Horrifying, disgusting, distressing. Though what it's really more like is Picture of Dorian Grey--corruption that was always there totally taking over. Yet what I call "the United States" also involves a lot of people that I like and love, who aren't really in control of what's happening. Do I walk away from those who can't get away from here? Damn.

As for the Caribbean, it would be an easy fit for me in some ways, since FL is about as close to the Caribbean as the U.S. is ever gonna get (sub-tropical, not tropical, but at least I understand the weather patterns; I've lived on the Gulf coast before, even on the beach when I was a kid and it was less expensive--and a small house in the Caribbean w/a bit of a farm sounds amazing!) but I do think a lot about sea level rise and climate, same way I do about the FL coast (which is now way too expensive anyway).

I haven't given up the idea of the Caribbean, but it is kind of like moving to New Orleans--as they say down there "NOLA till you die." Have a great life, with the caveat that you're choosing (weather-wise) a somewhat less safe life.

I probably chew these things over too much.

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"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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Most of the islands are volcanic and most of the land is way above where it can be affected by any sort of tsunami or sea level rise. In addition, when you are up in the mountains it can be quite cool.

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Norway because their social structure is more aligned with my own values and Thailand because I love it there and the people. My wife and I lived there a couple of summers ago for a few months and it was heaven. The people and culture are amazing.

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-- Fiver

Tourists have recently been advised to not go there.

Still current at: 15 September 2016

The [UK] Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO) advise against all but essential travel to the provinces of Pattani, Yala, Narathiwat and Songkhla on the Thai-Malaysia border.

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There is a high threat from terrorism. There have been recent incidents in a number of locations including Bangkok, where a bomb explosion on 17 August 2015 resulted in numerous casualties including the death of a British national.

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There were multiple explosions and incidents in tourist areas across Thailand on 11, 12 and 14 August. There remains an increased security presence in some tourist areas. You should exercise caution, particularly in public places, and follow the advice of local authorities. Further incidents are possible in these and other areas of Thailand.

-https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/thailand

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Australians should stay well clear of any demonstrations, political events, rallies, processions and large-scale public gatherings as they may turn violent.

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We advise you to exercise a high degree of caution in Thailand due to the possibility of civil unrest and the threat of terrorist attack, including in Bangkok and Phuket. You should pay close attention to your personal security at all times and where possible monitor the local media, including social media, for information about possible new safety or security risks.

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We strongly advise you not to travel at this time to the southern provinces of Yala, Pattani, Narathiwat and Songkhla or overland to and from the Malaysian border through these provinces due to high levels of ongoing violence in these areas, including terrorist attacks and bombings that result in deaths and injuries on an almost daily basis.

-http://smartraveller.gov.au/Countries/asia/south-east/pages/thailand.aspx

Much more at the 2nd link

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but barring that I am looking at Ecuador or Panama (possibly Costa Rica or Belize, somewhere in Central America).

I really like the laid back culture, and in all honesty it's about the only place I could afford to move to that I know of where I would be less poor financially then I am now, lol!

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Because the climate is closer to what I'm used to. Then their economy tanked, and I developed a deadly allergy to mold (too close to water, which I love Sad )

So, a couple of years ago it changed to Germany. Cold be damned. I know someone there.

In fantasy it would be lovely to winter on the Italian island of Murano because I love the vintage blown glass that was made there. Of course I would have to be miraculously cured of my allergies.

But, because of the mold allergy, I must begin looking to move northward from the sub tropics after the kiddo goes off to university.

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I developed a deadly allergy to mold (too close to water, which I love)

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mimi's picture

I guess that sounds like parts of Italy, Portugal and Spain? So, even if it's dry climate you can't live near the water of the oceans? That is some mean allergy.

Hope it can get cured. Somehow.
You are right Venice is definitely mold challenged.

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As a Floridian, I feel your pain re: mold.

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allergy and had not heard about it before. I didn't want to sound like someone who has no empathy. I have never been to Florida, so the weather pattern there is not familiar to me. The most South I got was Charlotte, NC. And it was way too hot for me.

I hope you are coping.

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I would move to Vienna.
Realistically, I might be able to live in Panama, Guatemala, or Ecuador.
A friend is headed to Cambodia. I am waiting to see if he can make it happen.
I love Cambodia, that would be a dream come true.

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by climate and vegetation much of Cameroon, West Africa. I didn't have a chance to get to know any Laotian. I don't think I would retire there, Also not in Korea. My son was stationed there for over a year. I visited. Seoul for me was a nightmare. And I would not be able to adapt to Japan, without language skills I would never understand what is going on, same is true for Korea and Laos.

Guatemala I have heard of nice things. But I don't trust in what I heard. Smile

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Oh, you meant on *this* planet!

Smile

Um...is there anywhere that has a Scandinavian economic & political system that isn't dark and cold 9 months out of the year?

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--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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Biggrin

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For me, politics like theirs is a point on the "good" side of the scale, because I've learned over the last 20 years that "politics" has a hell of a lot of power over the things I *do* live off of--and I don't care for the effect of the politics of the United States on, well, the United States! Or on anywhere else that I can see.

But of course, that's only the beginning. Until I've visited somewhere multiple times, learned at least some of the language, learned to eat the food, made a few friends--no soap!

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"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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The politics on a small island state (70,000 people) is IMO ideal, especially if it is set up where most power is at the community level. While there can be local community conflicts and money-grubbing, at least we know each other personally and can be a direct personal part of democratic process. Rich or poor.

In Bolivia, if you are not indigenous in a rural community, the community politics can be scary. In large part because there is no balance to protect the mestizo or other not-local indigenous minority that may also be there.

The complete absence of racism in the Caribbean community is part of why I am glad to be on the island. I can't speak for islands outside of Dominica though.

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Not for me, so much, because I can go any number of places--well, once my current pets die, I can!
But it's kind of sad for Bolivia.

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--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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It's like being in a small city

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--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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There is a friction between communist and anarchist workers/conservative traditional campesinos/middle class "liberals" all with the transnational corporations, NGOs and CIA-NEDers playing games. Its hard to tell who is fighting for what at different times/places/issues. For example, there is huge, often bloody conflict between unionized miners (Trotskyites), cooperative miners (favoring corporations and free market), and campesinos who don't want miners taking over their indigenous lands. Evo has generally been great at getting people to come up with agreements... but the problems never really go away.

For every problem there are two, three or five sides of unionized, syndicalist conflicts and fluid alliances. Street protest, road blocakades are a daily affair from one sector or another. Another example, Transport workers want higher tariffs, school children want free fares, and urban workers want lower ones. The government wades through the conflicting demands and does what it can come up with something everyone will agree with in a consensus. Thats what democracy looks like... not the bullshit mass-media oligarchic joke of an election like you all are seeing in the USA.

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I prefer honesty.

The exception is when I feel that I, or something I love, is imminently under threat.

Then I want whatever "my side" is to be unified. But still not at the expense of honesty.

I've learned a lot living in the kingdom of lies, the mentiracracia. Truth has to come first.

So what you're describing doesn't scare me, though it sounds like it's no walk in the park.

I still might not fit in though, probably wouldn't!

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--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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Not sure which one, or if that'd be even feasible for a couple like me and my S/O.

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Doing Bavarian things.

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Norway? Sweden? One of those democratic socialist Scandinavian countries, I believe, cared for by government from cradle to grave.

Or Switzerland for the Alps. And because they never go to war.

Or can I travel back? To the U.S. in the middle 1960s, as a young adult this time (I was born in 1960). After passage of the civil rights act, when we were so full of hope. When the economy still thrived from after-effects of the FDR years. When I could have made a decent living, saved for the future, and still have a decent retirement plan now as a result. And even have experienced a little sex, drugs, and rock and roll.

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When the Japanese wanted to know where the Doolittle Raid came from, FDR told them to go look for Shangri-La. Since they never found it, it's probably still a safe haven for those who want out of global corporatist rule.

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