Clinton, DNC and Obama Claim Russians Hacking Elections. Where's the Proof?

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof." Markos Moulitsas, founder and owner of Daily Kos.

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So, why is the media pushing this story of Russian cyber attacks and hacks into the DNC, DCCC and Hillary computers and servers. Why the claims that Putin is trying to hack our elections, based on nothing more than bald-faced assertions and anonymous sources without any shred of evidence being presented? Isn't that the essence of a conspiracy theory where one has nothing more than vague suspicions and speculation to support the claims being made?

And why is the media reporting it as fact that our elections can be hacked when a few months earlier, after mounds of evidence that there existed statistically significant evidence that voting machines likely were hacked to flip votes to Hillary and away from Bernie, and that voting rolls were purged or people's registration information changed to benefit Hillary? Sanders supporters were called conspiracy theorists and tin foil hat nutjobs, because our voting on electronic machines was completely safe and anyone who said anything otherwise was crazy, a liar or a Trump supporter, blah, blah, blah.

Yet, suddenly now these same "safe" e-voting machines can be hacked? And suddenly the Russians are behind these hacks on the DNC, DCCC, and state voter registration databases, and also the Guccifer 2,0 and wikileaks disclosures? Not one solid piece of evidence has been offered by anyone in the Clinton campaign to support these allegations, yet the media is repeating this story as fact. Even President Obama is now "warning" Russia not to influence our elections and saying they are likely behind the hacks of the Clinton campaign and DNC.

What suddenly changed to make it clear to the media that our e-voting machines were vulnerable to hackers and that Putin and Russia is behind the wikileaks and Guccifer 2.0 hacks other than mere allegations made by Clinton and her campaign and a few "anonymous" sources?

Why is the media pushing a conspiracy theory without asking for evidence of any kind other than anonymous sources and statements by Clinton, her surrogates and now the President, when previously the media ignored or dismissed as conspiracy theories the evidence presented by experts on election fraud that showed clear evidence that hacking of e-voting machines in favor of Clinton very likely affected Bernie Sanders chances in the Democratic Primaries?

Why did the media dismiss Sanders supporters well supported election fraud claims as a tin foil hat conspiracy theory conspiracy theory only a few months ago, but unsupported claims of Russian cyber attacks and hacking of the Clinton campaign is accepted now uncritically as fact without any shred of evidence to support those allegations?

Sources:
Democracy Lost: A Report on the Fatally
Flawed 2016 Democratic Primaries
http://www.election-justice-usa.org/Democracy_Lost_Update1_EJUSA.pdf

Stanford Study
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6mLpCEIGEYGYl9RZWFRcmpsZk0/view?pref=2...

An Electoral System in Crisis
http://static1.squarespace.com/static/571db55ee707ebff30822be1/t/578d64f...

Clinton Campaign Says There Is a "Direct Link" Between Trump and Russian Hackers
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/09/trump-clinton-russia-hack-ku...

Obama: 'Possible' Russia interfering in US election
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/289345-obama-possible-russia-...

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RantingRooster's picture

it has to be the Russians, I mean come on, who wants to destroy the US more than the Russians, ya know, gosh don't you know the Russian's are bad? What's wrong with you? (snark)

I think this has something to do with it....

[video:https://youtu.be/p8ERfxWouXs]

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But 10 other comments will probably pop up while I type this friggin' thing, because I'm both verbose and a perfectionist.

First of all, so wonderful to see you, Steven! You are the bees knees, man, and I'm glad you are on the road to recovery. Smile

Second, Hillary Clinton's campaign is royally fucking up everything they touch. I don't understand it, really, but that's what Democrats are best at: squandering victory at every opportunity. Jesus Christ, these people are the worst campaigners in modern history.

Clinton's campaign has to keep the focus on things other than herself because she's a terrible, awful, no good, very bad candidate. Hillary is so full of flaws and has such a shady history that no one is buying the shit she is selling, still. This is why they are claiming that the Russians are hacking shit when they have no legitimate proof -- it keeps the lotus of the election news on how bad other people are instead of how good Hillary Clinton is. Because Hillary Clinton is not at all good.

Thanks to recommendations from other c99p folks, I now check out websites I was unfamiliar with and had never checked out before. Truthdig.org has been a favorite of mine, and this article really captures the heart of the absolute stupidity of the Clinton campaign:

You could not pick a worse, more inept, inexperienced or offensive joke of a presidential candidate than Donald Trump. The United States has become the butt of international ridicule over our very own “Kim Jong-Un.” Any candidate running against Trump from the opposing major party with a pulse ought to be beating him in the polls by double digits. But Hillary Clinton isn’t.

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In positioning herself first and foremost as what she is not—Trump—Clinton is picking only the low-hanging fruit. My 9-year-old son could make fun of Trump in clever ways, and does so routinely. For Clinton to fixate on Trump’s endless flaws suggests that her own platform has little substance. For example, in a recent speech she said of Trump, “He says he has a secret plan to defeat ISIS. The secret is, he has no plan.” While these kinds of statements might make for funny one-liners, Clinton’s main credential is that she once led the State Department, and she did so with such hawkishness that Americans who are weary of endless wars are not impressed by the experience. (Not to mention that she was caught telling lies about her private email server while secretary of state.) If she proposed diplomacy over war, a plan to exit Iraq/Afghanistan/Syria, a promise to withhold weapons from Saudi Arabia, a commitment to Palestinian human rights, and so on, voters might sit up and take note.

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Rather than reaching out to American voters on such issues, Clinton has been busy pandering to one particular community: the uber-rich. According to a New York Times article, she has made multiple trips to wealthy enclaves over the past month alone. In addition to Beverly Hills, she has visited Martha’s Vineyard and the Hamptons, rubbing elbows with celebrities and other rich elites. Just in August she raised more than $140 million through such fundraisers—easy fodder for the GOP to criticize in a new set of ads.

While making herself accessible to America’s upper classes, she has made herself almost completely unavailable to the press. Until Thursday, Clinton had not held a single news conference in 2016, inviting the unflattering comparison to President George W. Bush, who came under fire for avoiding interactions with the media. Bush was skewered for acting like he was hiding something, afraid the press might ask hard questions that would invite a blundering response. Clinton, one could argue, does not need to win over the press—most mainstream outlets already embrace her nomination and are pushing hard for her election. A recent article by Paul Krugman in the Times is a prime example. Ordinary Americans, however, continue to be unimpressed.

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If Clinton loses this election, it will not be because Americans are dumb, racist misogynists who would cut off their noses to spite their faces in refusing to elect a sane woman over an insane man. It will not be because too many Americans “selfishly” voted for a third party or didn’t vote at all. It will be because Clinton refused to compromise her allegiance to Wall Street and the morally bankrupt center-right establishment positions of her party and chose not to win over voters. This election is hers to lose, and if this nation ends up with President Trump, it will be most of all the fault of Clinton and the Democratic Party that backs her.

I hope that didn't violate Fair Use, but I parred it down as best I could. The whole article is really spot on.

Hillary is going to lose this fuckin' thing and we are gonna be stuck with President Trump. I don't even know what to say anymore.

To add to today's to do list: look up how to emigrate to a Scandinavian country, or Canada.

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RantingRooster's picture

apologies, my comment got there first... ( Crazy way too much coffee today) and yours is so much more, well, better (lol)

Secondly, I think your absolutely spot on

Hillary is so full of flaws and has such a shady history that no one is buying the shit she is selling, still.

Key word, "STILL". Can ya believe it? Same shit, different day, and new clothes, really, really expensive ones.

It's true that the jacket was from Giorgio Armani's collection and originally priced at $12,495. But on 8 June 2016 (three days after the article's release) the jacket's price was reduced to $7,497, a price drop for which the timing was unclear. The Post speculated that Clinton paid for the clothing out of pocket, but the web site Fashionista in turn said that might not necessarily be the case

Oh, I see, only $7,500 not over 12 grand, for a coat. While I would'nt want her to be without clothes, do you, or anyone else for that matter, NEED, casual / dressy clothes that cost 7500 or more? WTF?

This video from RT, is a bit more about Trump's interview with Larry King, but ...Lionel Lebron, from Lionel Nation YT channel, his reply is epic (rant, "it's Larry King..."), about what is happening with the Hillary campaign and all this Russia bashing and it's the Russians.

Same script, different day. Hollywood only has 3 ya know, or so I've been told.

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Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

she'll "win."

Whatever you have to worry about in November, you don't have to worry about President Trump.

Anybody who can rig a primary like that don't need no stinkin' voters.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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That quote "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof" was originate by Marcello Truzzi, a paranormal investigator who was a notable skeptic of the pseudo-sciences.

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"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage

...who dismiss or ignore evidence offhand, without investigation.

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" In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry, and is generally considered to have been a bad move. -- Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy "

The worst-case scenario is that the election is close enough for either side to manipulate. If Hillary wins, then the Democrats will pretend that no hacking happened as the Republican veterans of vote manipulation cry foul. If she loses, the Russians did it because of Trump's connections to Putin and the Mafiya and they both prefer him in office. Either way, the public will have been denied an honest accounting of their voting. TPTB want no trouble over their selection for president.

Edited for title typo

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Vowing To Oppose Everything Trump Attempts.

lunachickie's picture

those days are over.

If Hillary wins, the fix is in. She can't draw over a couple hundred people to freakin' campaign appearances. Nobody wants her except a bunch of online partisans, half of who won't actually get up off their ass and vote come November. The other half is only voting out of "fear", but the Fear of Trump is on the downslide again. If you're a fan of poll numbers (which I'm not, but I'm just sayin'...), his are on the upswing again because people do NOT want to vote for Clinton.

If Trump wins, it would be no surprise at all. People are going to vote for him and they might vote in enough numbers to beat Stein and Johnson, and keep Clinton from getting a firm majority. The only reason they so desperately push this narrative is that they don't want you voting third party. Too bad, so sad for them....

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Roy Blakeley's picture

rather than for a candidate. There are non-primates that, if given fair media coverage, could get 40% of the vote against Trump and Clinton.

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lunachickie's picture

Which means it is also worth noting that we must stop acting and reacting as if there are only two candidates. That's not true. And this is the year to prove it, if ever there was one...

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There are non-primates that, if given fair media coverage, could get 40% of the vote against Trump and Clinton.

Indeed! I have one of those non-primates living in my house, a feline named Chocolate.....

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"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar

"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

who is behind this non-stop, anti-Russian media blitz? No matter where we look, in "Western" news outlets, we get a thoroughly biased version of Russia's actions and motives. The News Industry is spreading disinformation in ways large and small, intentionally ramping up hostility to Putin, and rather obviously trying to create a political climate favorable to war.

Current attempts to blame "the Russians" for hacking DNC emails are just the latest iterance of an ongoing campaign. I believe this is being coordinated at the highest levels of the US government, with the compliance of most major news organizations.

Something very similar occurred throughout 2002 and into 2003, in preparation for the invasion of Iraq. War drums all have a certain sound, no matter which war they are drumming for. I am hearing them clearly right now - they are getting louder, and the tempo is increasing. Coincidentally, an aggressive interventionist is about to be elected as America's "Commander in Chief".

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lunachickie's picture

who is behind this non-stop, anti-Russian media blitz?

It should be obvious that DoD--the Pentagon, the military brass--they're pushing for this. Got to keep the war machine cranking out armaments. There's a huge stockpile, they've got to use some of it, so they can build more!

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is certainly among the worst of the current crop. But who appointed him as SecDef? Our very own Nobel Peace Prize winner, Mr. Hoper and Changer. Carter's previous specialty being a strange hybrid of nuclear arms control and weapons procurement. The rot goes deep into the bowels of the "National Security" establishment, and I suspect the CIA of being close to the center of it. DCI John Brennan, another Obama appointee, serves at the pleasure of shadowy masters, about whom we know next to nothing.

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He and Assange are holding a Damocles sword over her coronation. If they really do have the goods and they really do release them...

The full-court press against the Russians has me thinking Putin and Assange are not bluffing.

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You expressed something that occurred to me. (My time at TOP has created within me a deep fear of expressing anything that could be labelled a conspiracy theory.)

Suppose Putin or Assange does have the goods. The Clintons and all those who surround them have created an environment where, no matter what the emails show, the focus will be on . . . Putin.

An email comes out with a list of "suggested contributions to the Clinton Foundation for various State Department services. You aren't going to let the Russians put Trump in office are you? What kind of American are you?

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Anything to detract focus on her actual competency and policies. The whole Russia! thing is another version of her "Trump is evil!" gambit. Keep the focus and blame on things and people who are not her and do your best to discredit anyone who tries to focus on her weakness as a potential POTUS.

Any error of judgement or otherwise while she's in office will most likely be met with even harsher PR measures. Which means she's another Bush Jr. and will start or escalate wars just for political gain.

Trump might accidentally get us into Ww3. Hillary and her media-savvy minions have most likely planned it all out.

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I've seen it used now and then and it brings back fond memories of David Brin's book BRIGHTNESS REEF. Where one of the other races asked if there was some creature from the human's home planet that was looked down on and made fun or. The answer given was "Squirrel", and when the other races wanted to insult or argue back to the humans, they were promptly shouted down with "Squirrel SQUIRREL"

Or us there another source?

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sojourns's picture

Rocky and Bullwinkle. What other squirrel is there that has ties to the Russians?

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"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage

Anything to detract focus on her actual competency and policies. The whole Russia! thing is another version of her "Trump is evil!" gambit. Keep the focus and blame on things and people who are not her and do your best to discredit anyone who tries to focus on her weakness as a potential POTUS.

Any error of judgement or otherwise while she's in office will most likely be met with even harsher PR measures. Which means she's another Bush Jr. and will start or escalate wars just for political gain.

Trump might accidentally get us into Ww3. Hillary and her media-savvy minions have most likely planned it all out.

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behavior.

I would think Russia would be far more likely to sit on intel re Hillary than to release it to the world, because it has far more potency as a threat that info will be released than it does as a simple release. Further, isn't it far more potent a threat against a sitting president than a mere candidate?

It is clear to me that this is a double header, propaganda-wise. Not only do we increase citizen's unease about Russia (pulling from cold war days), but this is an attempt to besmirch Assange and Wikileaks. It is an attempt to assail the veracity of any email releases by Wikileaks.

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lotlizard's picture

whenever I see it I always have to ask myself, “All right, which brainwashing outfit was it exactly, that decreed the villains should be Libyans?”

Gaddhafi? He was always a dead man walking. They’d already set him up long before his time — long before his time.

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is behind the hacking of the DNC computer systems, the various state voting systems--yada, yada, yada.

(The story being that returning lawmakers--both parties--have been briefed, and provided 'evidence' by various Agencies that Russia is behind these breaches. The White House is studying 'what to do about it.')

Further proof that 'the One Percent rules.'

Mollie


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lunachickie's picture

Republicans now believe that Russia is behind the hacking of the DNC computer systems, the various state voting systems

A LOT of folks are way, way ahead of CNN on this, and they know it's bullshit. They know it's such bullshit that they're doing what we're doing here--laughing and mocking it ...

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edg's picture

Trump. The media is pushing this bullshit because freakin' Donald Trump is tied with the best-known, best-financed presidential candidate in history. The Coronation is imperiled by a looney New York real estate developer, and the MSM just can't stand it that the little people have learned Her Majesty has no clothes.

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and I don't care how much CNN has to say about "Trump"--all those emails state unequivocally what actually went down over time, and they show collusion with the DNC and the Clinton campaign, and the American media.

Let them run their stupid coordinated bullshit machines. They are liars and not only do they know it, they know WE know it. Their desperation is almost pathetic at this point.

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corporate masters/the One Percent must be in panic mode to put out a story about Republicans 'seeing the light' about the hacked Dem Party (and state voting) systems. I seriously doubt that more than a handful of the most corporatist neoliberal Repubs are willing to join corporatist Dems in this Kabuki Theater; but, to hear Wolf talk, you'd think 'the Russians are coming!'--literally.

OTOH, I worry a bit that talking heads may be able to sell a story like this, considering the prevalence of low(er) information voters in some quarters. For instance, I heard (on XM Radio) a Dude conducting man-on-the-street interviews on a Fox News Channel show--don't know the name of the show, or the host--only that he's a millennial, since he brought it up. Unfortunately, the majority of the interviewees not only couldn't name their own US Representatives and/or Senators--they couldn't even name the VP of the United States, or even recognize his photo--although, a couple said 'he looked familiar.'

Help

Whew!

Now, that's downright scary!

Biggrin

Mollie


“I believe in the redemptive powers of a dog’s love. It is in recognition of each dog’s potential to lift the human spirit, and, therefore, to change society for the better, that I fight to make sure every street dog has its day.”
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National Mill Dog Rescue (NMDR) - Dogs Available For Adoption

Update: Misty May has been adopted. Yeah!

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sojourns's picture

hacking foreign dignitaries and heads of state? Oh, wait. We are the good guys. Our gov't would never dream of committing such a criminal act. Plus it's just downright unfriendly! I don't know why we sell arms.

Blaming the Russians. Of course they did it. Now the DNC has the perfect cover up for hacked voting machines.

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