Again the Democratic Party Rejects progressives. Chooses DWS.
Well, the primary election has completed here in Florida last night, and as suspected, every progressive candidate in the state that was challenging the Corpocratic Party incumbents were soundly defeated.
This makes my #DemExit now completely justified (as if it wasn't before).
Those "Liberals" in the democratic party will have no ability to shame me for not supporting their candidate because I am no longer in their corrupt little social club as of today. (Decided to wait for filing my party switch to after the Florida primary, but now realized I may as well of not even bothered to wait.)
Progressives, real Progressives, have no more business caucusing with the Democrats than they do the Republicans.
Neither party gives a flaming bag of dog poo about progressivisim outside of paying enough lip service to it to keep the dirty hippies in line...
The Democratic Party is Anti-Democratic, Anti-Progressive and Anti-99%.
I have seen it's evil, and will in no way at all be complicit in it anymore.
Here is a link to the Florida Primary Results if you are interested.
Comments
So sorry about the results
So the folks in the Miami area prefer a corporate connected cheater and liar. Bodes well for the $hill. Too bad about Grayson too. He had much more baggage than Canova. We've been saying for months the Dems are now rethugs. FL has a history of rethugs running as Dems, and now y'all have another one for your senate candidate against Rubio.
I come back again and again to a complicit corporate media misleading the public. Until folks are properly educated we will be manipulated to the end. In FL case - when most of the state floods from ocean rise.
At least you had some progressives running. Consider my fate in deep red (neck) Alabama - a lot like the conservative FL pan-handle. At least we got Jill on our Nov. ballot.
All the best Alphalop
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
It looks like fewer than 50k voted
in the DWS/Canova primary! There are almost 2 million people in Broward county alone. This is our problem - our leaders are chosen by tiny minorities of die-hards. Even when there's an actual decent option on the ballot, very few bother. And then people get angry that they're not being represented. Or they're angry that their general election choices suck.
Canova did a decent job 43-56%
Did Our Revolution do Anything to help him?
Ok, I know he was listed on a web page of OR endorsed candidates. Anything at all beyond that?
Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.
Yes, he was helped.
From Wasserman Schultz prevails, beats back primary challenge from Tim Canova
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
Ok but wasn't that back in April or May?
I don't think there has been so much as a tweet for Canova since Bernie's endorsement of Hellery.
And OR did not mention him at the OR kickoff which did endorsements for guys running for dog catcher.
But I'll be glad to be proven wrong.
Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.
Thank you
Sanders' support was initial--he wouldn't come near Florida in mind or body, once he had to endorse that disgusting woman.
I'm shocked Canova got 43%. You can bet that means he probably actually won...
OR does have Canova listed as one of their supported
candidates. Someone posted a screen shot of it here recently for those who do not go to the site.
Would it have helped Canova if Sanders had shown up physically with him at a rally? Possibly not. Given that about half the people here at c99 refer to Sanders as a betrayer or sellout, how would the general public view a Sanders appearance? How realistic is it to expect Sanders to shoulder the responsibility for other candidates' campaigns especially at a time when he is being reviled by former followers?
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
Well, Bernie is back on the campaign trail next week.
So I guess he finished his book.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2016/08/30/bernie-sande...
Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.
Jane Sanders Tweeted to Support Canova This Month
And a few Bernie buds (Sarandon, DeMoro) also tweeted on Canova's behalf.
For someone who has not held any public office before, Canova did pretty well. However, I don't think it was too cool to concede that DWS was a corporate stooge in commenting whether or not Canova should say he lost. Those comments work OK as bloggers, but if you want to run for office again, that's the sound bite the MSM picks up. But maybe he doesn't want to run again, at least as a Dem. Which would be OK.
One equal temper of heroic hearts, Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will. To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.--Tennyson
DWS: corporate stooge. Just like her BFF Hellery.
Somebody out there needs to tell the truth in public.......
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
PATRIOT MAJORITY SUPERPAC...
Sure has Tea party ring to it...oh wait! DWS is a "progressive Democrat." I forgot.
All Citizens are United
to bring us to a new American Crossroads with No Child Left Behind and an NSA Securing our Homeland with it's Patriotic Acts.
Beware the bullshit factories.
You can bet more than that actually voted
they just didn't have their ballots counted. Keep that in mind....
A scary thought there. Votes not counted.
I am thinking smartphone to pix my ballot in NY. And I DemExited in July. We need reassurance that votes are counted, or not.
Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.
A lot of places, you can't use video to record your vote.
See http://www.dmlp.org/documenting-vote-2012
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Tim Canova is a great man
He got 43% of the vote. Hillary better watch out in Florida, she will need the Canova votes.
The political revolution continues
Yeah, she'll get them just as she got the 90% Bernie vote.
grrrrr
not that I expected anything different... I do expect it was rigged, however.
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
Unfortunately, I think Florida is probably
the most ridiculous state in the US. I mean no offense to anyone who lives there, you have enough problems.
Possibly more than any other state, Florida is threatened by massive climate change issues. When I track environmental stuff in the news, I come back to Florida again and again. Action needs to be taken right now, and failing to do so is going to cause incalculable damage, both in money and in lives.
Despite that, they vote for these idiots. Its just incredible the extent to which people fail to look out for their own interests.
Can we wait until just the rich people's houses are
underwater? Though, if I remember correctly, the taxpayers will be one the hook for their loses. I read somewhere that their houses are government insured.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
Yep subsidies for beachfront properties
The National Flood Insurance Program charges less than risk based premiums and has accrued a huge debt ($24 billion at the beginning of 2014). In layman's terms, the government subsidizes flood insurance for property that is built on flood planes and beaches where the flood risk is so high that insurance from private vendors would be prohibitively expensive. This program accomplishes several things. It enriches the rich, it subsidizes environmental destruction and it runs up a big deficit that will get bigger as the sea level rises. As you can tell, it is one of my favorite governmental programs.
total monopoly
Don't forget that Federal Flood Insurance is also a total national monopoly. No matter where you live, no private insurer is permitted to insure this risk. So, if you're smart enough to live in a State with points higher than 500 feet above mean sea level, you're subsidizing rich Floridians living in places where no one has any business living.
Grrrrrr.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Well, excuuuse me!
My family has lived in Florida for ages and we will still there after Miami and Ft. Lauderdale are below the waves. Now could anybody help my cousins get their share of flood insurance?
still be in Florida......
So you live somewhere reasonable. Quite intelligent of you!
Oceanfront residences in Miami, which are due to wash into the sea before very much longer, are what we're talking about. Obviously, not you. (Or any other working stiffs, for that matter. One major irony of Florida is that the poor people live in flood-safer zones than the richest ones as a general rule.)
Whether you or I will or nill, the ancient battle between water and land which created the Everglades will be finally settled in our lifetimes in favor of water due to human-created climatic changes which are already fully inevitable. As you yourself point out, Miami and Fort Lauderdale are essentially toast, even as we write and regardless of what we may do. Kindly please do not eat the messenger just because the message is unpleasant.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
I don't live in a flood zone,
And I have flood insurance.
We've had a couple of oddball flooding incidents here that weren't expected, not in areas we think of as flood zones. Thankfully it's pretty affordable in my case, so I decided to get it. I know not everybody can. Hope I never need to use it. But I sure don't want to be like some lady I heard on the news from Baton Rouge: "nobody told us we needed to buy it"
Wrong: you weren't **required** to buy it, since you don't live in a flood zone (no mortgage without it). **needing** it is different. What the heck do you think that river that runs through your state does? Historically it floods periodically & it wants to move. See the news reel footage of the floods from the 30s. The corps of engineers is trying to control it, but you know they can't beat Mother Nature for ever.
can this be true?
astonishing! but wait...it's for that 1% Never mind.
One More Time for the people in back
I know you mean no offense, but please--please consider no longer accepting at face value, without question at all, what you're told about Florida voters and how they've voted, after every election. When you do, you'll no doubt find that you have no more reason to apologize in advance to anyone living here.
I'm sympathetic to that,
but no matter how messed up the process is, there are an amazing number of people who are watching their backyard disappear and are utterly unmotivated to do anything about it.
This isn't a far future thing anymore. It's coming. It will be brutal. Its going to reshape the world. It will do it in our lifetimes, and at some point we are going to have to acknowledge just how very confused a lot of the population is.
The only people that oblivious here in the here and now
are the filthy rich who live along the Miami Beach coast--amazingly, many of them gerrymandered into District 23. They figure their money can save them. They're not "unmotivated", they're just under the impression that we're talking about "just a few inches of water in the street at high tide". In short, they are ignorant because of propaganda.
Plenty of poorer folk are as well, but anybody else who is paying attention--and I can assure you, there are many of us here--are well-aware that there are problems, period. So even hinting about casting blame against this one or that one because of "where they live and how they vote" is not the least bit helpful, particularly
ifwhen the goddamned voting is rigged.Look, Florida is not the only state affected by this stuff. I'm really sorry, I know you mean well, and are trying to be nice, but I can't find sympathy in your post, because that general thought is simply not meant to be sympathetic in general. It's okay, though--old habits die hard. I am aware that you're just pontificating for a few readers, and so this is not meant to start shit and I'm not mad at you. But again, I think you and a lot of others simply do not understand how completely obnoxious and ugly and hurtful it is to read that kind of crap, over and over and over and over again, all because of where you happen to be living.
What I want to see is the (insert State Name, in this case, Florida) citizen bashing to stop, for whatever reason they're being bashed for this time. The generic "People" are no less motivated here than they are in any other state in the country. So just stop it. Please, just stop forwarding and perpetuating memes which allow the propagandists in media to push all the divisiveness further, particularly if you have never lived here. It's just wrong to do this, even if "you really don't mean to be mean"--even doing it with good intentions is still divisive, and we are divided enough as it is.
Ok,
but objectively speaking I have to tell you that Florida has the worst environmental issues of any state, and I don't say that in a flip way. Its a conclusion that I've come to for following the evidence for years.
California has some pretty major issues, but Florida's are far worse. From what I can tell, there is reason to think that Miami's drinking water supply will be contaminated in the next twenty years. If too much more time goes by, that problem may become unsolvable.
Saying that Florida has those problems is not something flip I'm doing. There is a terrifying amount of evidence for it. Even a lot of the people trying to deal with the climate change issue are not fully aware of just how bad some of Florida's specific problems are. I actually grew up in Florida, but I had no idea until recently.
I agree, it’s like blaming Hawaiians for losing their country,
as if anything they or their constitutional monarchs could have said or done would have stopped the Americans.
OK, so did they vote?
Once they are done counting, we'll know.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Depends on whose word you're taking
for the final count...
Well, maybe.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Yes, "the voters are stupid" is very unfair.
There's always a lot going on in other people's lives that outsiders don't know, and negatively stereotyping a whole group is unfair in itself.
There was a lot of that at TOP - painful. Lots of hostility and blaming the victims.
No matter
you look at the evidence, a majority of the population doesn't vote at all, which is of course no different in the rest of the United States.
Going even by a very conservative estimate of current scientific data, I expect much of Miami to become unlivable in my life time. It is probably the first our major cities to go. More so than any other state, residents can walk right outside, compare what they are seeing to what they saw 10 years ago, and tell that climate change is a massive issue.
In 20-30 years, a massive chunk of our economy is going to disappear because Miami will rapidly become unlivable. At the same time we are losing significant amounts of agriculture.
One reason this is so, is because people are wandering around being very polite about our situation, ignoring scientists who refuse to "sound emotional," and constantly assuming that the environment can be ignored. I'll try to cushion what I say to an extent.
In the end though, I really don't be one of the people twenty years from now who looks back and says, "At least I was polite." I'll be one of those guys saying, "All you guys who were polite? On behalf of our children, fuck you."
Feelings just aren't my primary consideration anymore.
I don't care about voter fraud. It's a ridiculous state. That's an easy verifiable thing to say. That doesn't mean your ridiculous. It doesn't mean a lot of good people didn't try to make it better. I know they have, I've written emails to a bunch of them.
But, we are fucked. We all need to know that. Florida is ground zero so far as climate change is concerned. Believe it.
True, things are desperate - and the system is rigged
So, yes, we need to act immediately and radically. And that may still not be enough, at this point. Odds are, the future will be grim.
But people do know, at some level, that elections are rigged. So we think we have to try anyway, but maybe people who are just hoping to keep a roof over their heads and be able to eat today, have run out of the energy to hope.
I too grew up in Florida.
I don't think it's going to take 20-30 years. The effects from climate change are happening exponentially. That's why its so difficult for even the best scientists to predict timelines. They're freaking out about the Arctic because they see the ice sheets melting much faster than they'd estimated.
Well, if one is going to criticize the People for not
being motivated, then I'd say one should have some reasonable basis for concluding that the People are unmotivated, and after that, should probably spend at least a little time trying to figure out why that is.
Learned helplessness is not apathy.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
How do you know what the number is?
Not by watching the results of elections, I'd imagine. Unless you're looking at exit polls (do we still have those?)
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Apparently it's all the fault of the people.
If they'd only clearly shown their support for FL not going underwater at the voting booth, the PTB would obviously have gotten the country off of fossil fuels long ago.
Sort of like when the people show their support for not cutting Medicare, the PTB say "Oh, you don't like Medicare cuts? We're sorry, we'll stop doing those right away."
And when they show their support for not bailing out Wall St, the PTB say "Oh, you don't want us to give those bandits 16 trillion 780 billion dollars? You'd rather we nationalize the banks if we have to pour that much money down them, or else just allow them to fail? We're sorry. We'll nationalize those banks right away. And you want them re-regulated the way they were before? The way that *didn't* allow this reckless goddamned behavior? Got it."
And when they show their support for getting the hell out of fruitless, bloody Middle Eastern wars, the PTB say "Oh, you didn't want us to pour money and lives down an endless series of wars that basically secure not one single measurable good for anybody in the country below the 95th percentile? We're sorry. We'll get those troops out of Yemen, Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan right away. And you want us to give every veteran, at the very least, a job with a living wage and decent health care upon their return? We'll get on that right away."
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Florida climate change map
note the blue areas for 5m and 10 meter ocean rise. Hey Miami, see ya. (source NASA)
Upside, a lot of new beach front property coming on the market.
Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.
Is there a link to the whole map?
I don't see me there, in or out of the water
I've seen past NASA maps, but I haven't seen the really recent projections...
Link to source page
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=4818
Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.
For a world view:
http://flood.firetree.net
the map can move and zoom and adjusst for sea level rise, but it is a little clumsy.
On to Biden since 1973
Wow, that's a scary interactive map!
At just one meter sea level rise, Amsterdam, The Hague, and Venice are gone.
At five meters, no more New Orleans, San Francisco and Sacramento badly flooded, and Alexandria is gone.
wow.
Bye to much of California too.
The Bay Area will be severely reduced as will much of LA and San Diego.
Beware the bullshit factories.
New Orleans Is The Canary In The Swimming Pool
The gubmint keeps raising the leevees around N.O. as a testament to man's denial of what is coming.
Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.
Louisiana is worse...
The oil and gas industry is literally destroying the ground underneath everyone there. But they continue to insist the EPA is evil, that government regulation kills jobs and that the Democrats only give a shit about giving tax dollars to delinquent minorities in big cities. Not to mention, much of the state is lower than sea level and highly susceptible to global warming.
Democrats, we tried to warn you. How is that guilt and shame working out?
Exactly what I was thinking
Louisiana is exactly what I was thinking about when I saw that "before and after" map of Florida. That's what's already been happening in Southeast Louisiana. So much of the former land mass below New Orleans is gone.
"Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep."
~Rumi
"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone
Everything wrong with America is in Rick Scott becoming a Gov
How in the fucking hell could this guy ever be elected to anything (oh wait, Darrell Issa comes to mind also)?
$1.7 BILLION admitting medicare fraud!
What happens in this country to a guy like that? Well, of course, he becomes Governor. He's got the money, hasn't he? And that's all that matters.
It's downright staggering proof that we are on a fast track to Neoliberal oblivion, when we don't disavow criminals like him. It's just that he caught. If he didn't he'd just have been another "man's gotta do what a man's gotta do" poster boy for free market capitalism. Profit > people = American business.
"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:
THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"
- Kurt Vonnegut
How?
What if he wasn't really elected at all? What if the voting is hacked and most Floridians really didn't vote for that piece of shit?
Give that poster a cookie
Honestly I only know a few people that voted for him
across both sides.
Even the republicans I know don't like him and wont (admit at least) to voting for him.
I suspect Florida has been rigged a lot earlier than when e-voting came out.
This place is shady as hell for being The Sunshine State...
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Hacking.
Hacking, hacking, hacking.
There's many several I'll always believe were hacked in. Rick Scott- for sure the second time. Scott Walker- for sure the recall and the re-election. I think Snyder was hacked in. LePage. And definitely the tool who is now Kentucky's governor (Bevins the name?)
Hmm.
Despite that, they vote for these idiots.
Are you sure?
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Wasserman takes a page out of Clinton politicking:
She also got overwhelming support from the corporate Dems:
I am pretty sure that i heard that Obama had also endorsed her.
And herein lies the problem with the electorate:
Chased out?
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
Stupidity...
Or more specifically, willful ignorance, is a bipartisan affliction.
Democrats, we tried to warn you. How is that guilt and shame working out?
Such figures are always and everywhere portrayed as the victim
in establishment media narrative.
Insiders don’t care about pesky facts—only about maintaining their status as insiders.
All those nice, insulated, condo-dwellers
whose complexes have their own damn zip codes don't get out much, beyond the mall and the grocery store. Whatever they hear, they heard from their neighbor who heard it from the teevee in the gym. Short-sighted, propagandized, useful idiots...
Florida Primary.
First of all, this primary proved, yet once again: VOTE COS IT MATTERS!!! We actually won quite a few local primaries here in east central Florida. Susanna Randolph won the Demo Primary for her US House seat. She's got a real good chance of doing it again in November. Good folks won judgeship primaries and state rep (FL House and Senate). Grayson got creamed by a Repuke (Murphy). Grayson is a real magnet for the ALEC garbage, RWNJs, and the rest of that sewage. It just means Rubio will win re-election. So what? I'll skip them both. I'll be an Indie by then anyway. On the enviro side, Amendment 4 was approved by over 70% of the votes cast. Floridians are a lot smarter than given credit for when it comes to the environment and local voters. The problem is the decades-old, deep seated corruption in Tallahassee. Canova lost to Shitz cos of low turnout. He needs to run again in 2 years. He'll beat her then.
Inner and Outer Space: the Final Frontiers.
What do you think of Randolph?
You seem positive toward her. Is she worth supporting financially? Who has endorsed her?
That's not what I get out of it--and I'm probably not alone.
I'm not saying this like it's a good thing, exactly, but I wouldn't blame anyone who looked at the last 10 months and decided never to vote again.
My response is to fight the duopoly. Others will likely abandon electoral politics altogether.
And given that Obama wants to put DHS in charge of our elections, perhaps they're right.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Agree, Canova needs to run next time as well.
I agree! Canova needs to keep at it. Help voters see the truth about Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, and way before there is a debate even.
43% of the vote, for his first time running against a multi-term incumbent is not too shabby IMHO. He didn't win, but he made a good showing that ought to make DWS very nervous!
I voted Grayson and against
The utility companies proposal to regulate our renewable energy sources. The primary is over and now I need to Demexit. Is there a 'proper' way to do it?
I'm seriously thinking about chosing Rubio over the neo-Dem Murphy. I would rather shit gets fucked up by an admitted Republican than one pretending to represent me.
There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties.. This...is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution.--John Adams
Because of how crooked our state government has proven itself to
be, I am pretty sure I'm not going to be doing the "demexit" until after the General. There are too many shenanigans down here, particularly with registrations. Plus I finally decided if they saw me as a "Democrat", they'd leave me alone and actually try to count my ballot...
Same here in Illinois (Cook County)
Besides, I don't think there is a Green primary ballot, so I might as well keep doing what I can on the (D) ballot. But forget November. I'm voting for Stein and Duckworth and that's it.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
I'm waiting for after the election so I can vote for Stein
on my Nebraska 'Democratic' Party ballot.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
As a commentary on this year's fucked up elections, I agree
that it would be better to see Rubio in the senate (gasp) than pseudo-Democrat Murphy, just to block Medusa from passing any of her programs of war, "trimming social security", continuing to privatize student loans.
I'm tempted to vote for him just to rub those
hypocritical little shits' noses in the dirt.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Same here
Patrick Murphy was The Rotating Democratic Villain more than anyone else in the Senate, I'll never vote for his dumb ass.
I considered simply leaving it blank, but on the off-chance a "blank" vote = Democratic (because who the fuck knows anymore?) I thought perhaps I would just pick "Anybody But"....
I guess the democrats are now officially ...
the party of pay-day lenders, in addition to never-ending wars, and extra-judicial executions when the executive branch authorizes it. Jill is 100% right that voting for the supposed lesser evil has gotten us everything we feared from the greater evil.
Grayson lost too
Sad day for all of us that live here.
Stupid is, as stupid votes...
The folks in both parties in Florida just love their political grifters, criminals and scammers for political office down there, and continue to vote them in.
Scary.
"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism." - Howard Zinn
It blows me away that y'all assume that, OF COURSE,
these vote counts are accurate and nothing is rigged, and it must just be all those stupid corruption-loving hicks down here.
It might be that you're right. I don't know. But I do know this: there's nothing that could make me assume, at this point, that an election result is on the up-and-up. I have no idea how far the rigging goes, but I know there's a lot of it out there, and I know that, if someone sufficiently powerful chooses to do it, they will have no trouble implementing their plan, and no trouble getting away with it.
It's really just a question of whether or not they think it's important enough to bother with.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I am so tired of such assumptions and insults
THANK YOU, CStS....
There are 49 other states with hackable ballots AND with dumbass voters in them. So seriously, I'm done being polite: fuck all these people who make such remarks about Floridians and their "votes". It's unnecessary divisiveness based in ignorance and propaganda.
Too many older, lifelong Democrats
Who will never get their information from anywhere else but the corporate lie machine. They will be gone when the consequences of their actions come to full fruition, but their kids and grandkids won't be gone.
Beware the bullshit factories.
Hope they can swim.
As Bill Cosby (in more innocent times) had G~d saying to Noah,
“How long can you tread water?”
Wondering if there were electronic booths used
And if there were, how many were manufactured by a donor to the Clinton political corporation.
Not that many electronic booths, I think.
But the paper ballots are counted by a machine. And the only auditing is if the vote's within 1/2% (of what the machine says. And not all the ballots are counted even then, just overvotes and provisionals, IIRC. Also, I recall reading a while back that Clinton is tight with the Stalinist hardliners, aka the voting machine company CEOs.
Trust me, I'm Diebold spawn.
The fantasy of progressive candidates in Democratic party
Oh now and then a progressive might get elected, but really, when you look at the endorsement of Clinton by nearly all "liberal politicians" (superdelegates), any wonder why progressives lose. Look what happened in AK several years ago with Blanche Lincoln and progressive Bill Halter. The party leaders reduced the number of polling places from 42 to 2--I think there were other shenanigans. I assume the same things defeated Canova along with ballot counting "errors".
I'll say it. Progressives running in the party will be cheated by the establishment. Some exceptions as is always the case. The ones who have a chance are without research and only my guess now, from states with good tamper resistant voting such as Oregon with mail-in ballots, which curiously elected the only Senator who supported Sanders.
I printed the form to change to No Party Affiliation
Grayson might be the last democrat I vote for, although I'd keep an open mind if the candidate warrants it.
Is "working with the party" now dead?
Bernie was cheated and it seems that getting any traction against the corporate democrat party is going to be near impossible, between power wielding and cheating. They can promise to deliver government positions and influence that can't be matched by the democratic process.
So are we now on plan B, that is unseating the (D)kleptocrats? I think so. I hate to say it but for the short term the only way to yield power is to threaten the electability of the establishment Ds. To me that means holding your nose and voting for Rs where they appose corporate Ds. The Democrat party will NEVER reform as long as they have political power. The only chance for reform is to put them in the wilderness.
Capitalism has always been the rule of the people by the oligarchs. You only have two choices, eliminate them or restrict their power.
#neverTrump
Vote your conscience.
Beware the bullshit factories.
Third party
When possible third party is still preferable to Republican, I would think. That will register as dissatisfaction with both major party candidates rather than support for the Republican.
That's my plan
I'll have to write in Jill here in Indiana, but she's an "official " write in choice, so it *should* be counted. I just want to communicate that I'm here, and these are the policies I support.
My plan is to vote for Jill
I have been giving her money and my plan in MA is to vote for her if the election is not close between Trump and Rodham. If it is close, then I will hold my nose and vote for Trump. If Rodham gets in, we are screwed for a very long time, if not dead in a thermonuclear war. She is the most dangerous, aggressive, prevaricating, unpatriotic, corporate, MIC candidate in my lifetime. She doesn't know the meaning of the term public service or public ethics. It's all about her, at any cost.
Capitalism has always been the rule of the people by the oligarchs. You only have two choices, eliminate them or restrict their power.
Agree w/everything you said, except
it's clear that voting duopoly doesn't get us anywhere. If I vote for Rubio, it will be because I'm pissed, not because I think it's a useful idea.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
No surprise
It's not for nothing that they say the Democratic Party is where progressive movements go to die. The core party base consists mainly of A) top ten percenters, degreed professionals with comfortable six-figure incomes who believe the neoliberal policies of the party's leaders work just fine for them; and B) blue team partisans, the low info voters who have an uncritical, tribal devotion to the party elites based on family or community ties, and in some cases patronage, and whose world view is shaped primarily by the mainstream media.
To the extent that progressive candidates like Sanders, Canova and Grayson continue their efforts to make common cause with these groups, which are not the least bit receptive to their message, "progressiveism" as an ideology will continue to be relegated to the radical fringe, safely ignored by mainstream pols and the mass media. Far better and more productive to attempt to build an entirely separate critical mass of voters consisting of the young, the financially threatened, and the huge block of non-voters whose interests are routinely being thrown under the bus by the powers that be.
Slowly but surely, more and more people are waking up to the realization that without a radical course correction, human civilization is heading for a future that will be an apocalyptic nightmare for the vast majority of people on this earth (as it already is for many in the here and now). Those currently in control have absolutely no interest in preventing this from unfolding - in fact, they are doing just about everything they can to accelerate the process. As this reality becomes more widely recognized, new political entities can and will rise to fill the leadership vacuum that currently exists. The question for progressives is whether they can effectively prepare themselves for the opportunities that will undoubtedly present themselves in a future that will be upon us much sooner than most realize.
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Wish I had ten recs for this.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
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