There is one moral reason to vote for Trump
Don't get me wrong - I will not be voting for Donald Trump. I'd sooner gnaw my hand off.
That being said, I can see a rational, justifiable reason to vote for Trump over Hillary, and that reason is reflected in who supports Hillary.
“I would say all Republican foreign policy professionals are anti-Trump,” leading neoconservative Robert Kagan told a group gathered around him, groupie-style, at a “foreign policy professionals for Hillary” fundraiser I attended last week. “I would say that a majority of people in my circle will vote for Hillary.”
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The event raised $25,000 for Clinton. Two rising stars in the Democratic foreign policy establishment, Amanda Sloat and Julianne Smith, also spoke.
The way they described Clinton’s foreign policy vision suggested that if elected president in November, she will escalate tensions with Russia, double down on military belligerence in the Middle East and generally ignore the American public’s growing hostility to intervention.
It's interesting to see Democrats giving each other high-five's every time a Republican war hawk abandons Trump to support Hillary, without any consideration about what this actually means.
The Clinton-neocon partnership was solidified by Trump becoming the Republican nominee. But their affinity for each other has grown steadily over time.
The neoconservative Weekly Standard celebrated Clinton’s 2008 appointment as secretary of state as a victory for the right, hailing her transformation from “First Feminist” to “Warrior Queen, more Margaret Thatcher than Gloria Steinem.”
Neocons aren't supporting Hillary for lesser-evil reasons, like most Democrats do. They've embraced her because she is one of them, and Trump isn't.
Trump's foreign policy is anything but "fleshed out".
This was Clinton's first direct and sustained attack on Trump, and though Democrats had been preoccupied with the unsavory identity politics of the presumptive Republican nominee, Clinton devoted only a few lines to calling out Trump's habits of "demonizing Muslims" and insulting women, Mexicans, and the disabled. Most of her speech went after Trump's utterances on foreign policy. "Like many across our country and around the world, I believe the person the Republicans have nominated for President cannot do the job," she said. "Donald Trump's ideas aren't just different—they are dangerously incoherent. They're not even really ideas—just a series of bizarre rants, personal feuds, and outright lies."
Pundits across the Beltway's ideological spectrum cheered. Conservatives at the National Review and Fox News agreed with liberals at Huffington Post and Vox that this was Clinton's "best speech yet" and "her best case against Donald Trump." In recent days she has built the theme of Trump's "dangerous, incoherent" ideas into her stump speech.
Hillary's criticism is spot on - Trump's ideas on foreign policy are indeed "incoherent".
The problem is that Hillary's ideas on foreign policy are very coherent.
To Clinton and other inheritors of Wilson's calling, Trump's specific sins are what some have crudely called isolationism. Rather than seek U.S. military dominance as a means to extend American influence, Trump has insisted that other nations bolster their militaries and defend themselves, which Clinton dismissively reduced to a demand to "let more countries have nuclear weapons."
What Clinton offers instead of Trump's "truly dangerous path" is a foreign policy built upon the classically Wilsonian idea that America "is an exceptional country" that is the "last, best hope on earth." She promises to "secure American leadership" and to prove, through diplomacy and military action, that "our country represents something special, not just to us, [but] to the world."
Unfortunately, presidents with these coherent ideas have been the most dangerous of all.
It's certainly a milestone in American politics that for the first time since the Baby Boomers were still children, the Democratic Party will surpass the Republicans in militarism.
Hillary has ushered in this era. If we are to prevent a catastrophe, the antiwar left must wake up to this fact. Especially now that the Democrats are pushing for a new Cold War.
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I have been pounding on this...
same issue. Yesterday I said this in response to this same article:
Meanwhile at the DNC
It is long past time that we resurrect the anti-war movement.
If those people who still support Bernie's revolution want to place their energies anywhere, it should be in this area. I used to believe that the biggest danger to humanity was global warning. But that is just a slow death for the human race.
In the past few months I have watched the Obama administration repeatedly jab a stick in the eye of the Russian Bear, taking us nearer and nearer to a nuclear holocaust. Her Heinous has made it clear she will double down on this policy, and I fear she will push Putin into a desperate situation where he feels forced to launch the Russian strategic nuclear deterrent, and turn the planet to ashes. It is possible a strong anti-war movement will slow her down somewhat, and this is where we should be concentrating our energies.
I'd rather learn from one bird how to sing than teach ten thousand stars how not to dance. - e.e.cummings
I plan to vote for Jill Stein (unless Bernie resurrects), but
if Hillary seems to have a chance to win my state, I will have to vote for Trump. I think we'd survive any damage he might do (maybe he can even do a few of the positive things he's proposed), but I really don't think we would survive Hillary.
Nuclear war, anyone? Mushroom clouds in our cities?
Just the TPP would mean climate change out of control and a (maybe slower) extinction of all but the deep sea bacteria.
When Move On called the other day
I explained that I feared another Clinton presidency far more that four years of Trump, or even eight.
The anti Trump Republicans will resist and temper his tendencies to lunacy and hopefully all Democrats as well, but Hillary will marshal most Democrats AND many republicans to her escalation of military interventions and provocations, with potentially catastrophic consequences. I would rather my children and grand children suffer through the consequences of a Trump term than face the certainty of a world of increasing death, destruction and displacements at the hands of our (very profitable) global military interventionism.
“ …and when we destroy nature, we diminish our capacity to sense the divine,and understand who God is, and what our own potential is and duties are as human beings.- RFK jr. 8/26/2024
My thoughts EXACTLY !!!
I plan to vote for Jill Stein, as I did in 2012. I live in Tennessee. HRC will absolutely NOT carry this state, and the Green party is on the ballot.
If I lived in a state that HRC might carry, I would vote for Trump in a heartbeat. If Stein were not on the Tennessee ballot, I might vote for other offices, but not for prez.
Johnson = pro-TTP = Clinton. Besides, fuck the Libertarian Party anyways.
I'd vote for Trump ...
... before gnawing my own arm off. The same goes for Clinton. LOL. That said, I won't be voting for either of those turds.
I'd take incoherent over World War III any day.
American exceptionalism
"I don't understand people...who talk about us as being in decline, and who act as though we are not yet the greatest country that has ever been on the face of the Earth for all of history!"
Hillary Rodham Clinton, 25 July 2016
My how times have changed. When will people realize that Republicans are now on the left of Democrats.
Hillary has never been this unfavorable
Oh come on ...
Hillary is a grandmother and she's been a fighter for women and children her whole life.
Shit ... She's already hinted at making Vicky Nuland Secretary of State, maybe she'll appoint Kagan Secretary of Defense.
We wanted decent healthcare, a living wage and free college.
The Democrats gave us Biden and war instead.
An FYI
I posted this on TOP, and it got ignored.
TOP has "issues" this afternoon and evening, on and off
DOS attack? I suspect Joe and Johnny. Can't let them have zippier service than ours now, can we?
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I have been writing for months how Kagan is advising her on
foreign policy and that she is going to appoint his wife, Nuland as SOS.
And that Paulson endorsed her over Trump because he wouldn't promise to privatize social security
Bill was getting ready to sign off on privatizing it when the Monica Lewinsky scandal broke out.
The hypocrisy of the so called left is astounding. When Bush and his PNAC pals invaded Iraq, the left marched in the millions, but once Obama continued PNAC's goals in the Middle East, they went silent.
Saddam was a bad guy-wrong.
Gaddafi a bad guy-true
Assad used sarin gas on his citizens-true, even though it was the moderate Syrian rebels that used the gas and guess where they got that?
Obama was seElected to be president because they knew it would shut down the anti war movement.
And even with Hillary's record of being a warmonger, people say that she isn't a warmonger.
Her record is plain to see, but they have closed their eyes to it.
That is the definition of hypocrisy.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
What This Proves
Allegations have been made in recent years that the Democrats are what the Republicans once were. As I've pointed out before, Obama himself admitted he's more of a Republican than a Democrat in his infamous Univision interview from December 2012. Having the neocon chickenhawks line up behind Hillary is but more proof.
So what drove this? The evangeliban contingent of the GOP. Their main focus is to abuse political power to impose their version of social mores over the domestic population. The MIC and ancillary industries can't make massive profits off of that agenda. So they turn to Hillary, who can't recite their mantra often enough to suit them no matter how much they pay her. They want to put her into a position where she can act upon her claims no matter how she will hurt our nation. They want war, and Hillary wants to prove she has more balls than any man.
I cannot, however, see any reason to vote for Trump. He's on his own against her as far as I'm concerned. She's on her own against him as far as I'm concerned.
My vote -now that Bernie has endorsed Hillary- is prepared to go to Jill Stein once it's clear that there is nothing more Bernie is going to do as a candidate.
Vowing To Oppose Everything Trump Attempts.
There's a reason
that so many big name neocons like Robert Kagan, Max Boot and James Kirchick have thrown their support to Hillary Clinton. They see her as more war-like, more interventionist, more militaristic and more imperialist than Donald Trump - in other words, from a progressive perspective, the greater rather than the lesser evil. People should definitely keep this in mind when the usual blue team talking heads start trying to guilt trip them into voting Hillary. If the little peace dove had to choose one or the other, I have no doubt whatever she would pick Donald.
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Voting for HRC is voting for the abyss that is looking back.
A nightmare of epic proportions.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.