It’s decision time for Senator Sanders
He has been defrauded.
The nation has been defrauded.
The compounding evidence - just beginning from Wikileaks, and continuing from the election analysis - points to collusion and racketeering at the highest levels.
The candidate he endorsed has now been unmasked as a fraud, by virtue of collusion with the DNC.
Sen. Sanders took millions of dollars from many many folks who could ill afford such donations, who gave in the belief that he would stand up for them and the nation as they were standing up for him.
He now owes it to the country, to his supporters and himself to do that which is best for the nation, for it’s people, for the world, and that is to do what he has done his entire career:
Tell the truth.
Call out the liars.
Call out the corruption.
He can make his move on the night of highest “media” tension and attention.
Coronation night.
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I agree -- he NEEDS to do it!
It seems the American public has come to accept stolen elections and other voter-related bullshit. By the time the truth comes out, it's always "too late to change anything". Well, not this time.
Sanders can start to restore a little faith in our election process by calling out the perpetrators of this latest election fraud. He could start to reintroduce integrity into U.S. elections by most publicly shining a light on it.
"Stand Up! Keep Fighting!" - Paul Wellstone
Sanders lost his credibility
Sanders lost his credibility
Nobody should "be with her".
Sanders would lose all credibility . . .
if he endorsed Donald Trump -- a candidate, who even more than Clinton -- stands in opposition to his entire life's work.
It's not a binary choice.
You do not have to endorse Trump to un-endorse Clinton. There ARE more than two parties.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
I am less sure about that than you and Bernie seem to be.
I am less sure about that than you and Bernie seem to be.
Incorrect
Trump is bad on many things.
But he would actually end the systematic deIndustrialization of the United States (a.k.a. "globalism), and deliberate Outsourcing of American Industries and American Manufacturing -- by stopping these horrible right-wing, Corporatist "free trade" deals.
Also He, unlike Clinton, does not want to start a War with Russia, or continue the psychopathic mass-murdering policies of "Regime Change" everywhere which has destabilized the whole World, murdered millions of innocent people, created Terrorism and chaos, and made us much less safe.
So those changes (Trump) would represent a true shakeup of the current Establishment order, and I would welcome that.
Hillary Clinton won't bring about any change at all whatsoever. She supports all the Wars and all the deliberate corruption behind them, and she and Tim Kaine supports the Banksters and the Bank Bailouts, and the total control that they have. Nothing is going to change. In fact, The Democratic Party will be in a worse place -- because it will be more right-wing than ever (after Obama's multiple Wars and Corporatism, followed by Henry Kissinger's best friend Hillary Clinton) and this will be the new "Norm" for the Democratic Party which will stick for 8 whole years. No thanks.
Jill Stein is my preference, but if Trump wins so be it. We cannot go on like this. It will be far better than 8 more years of rightward shift in Democratic Party. Watch this Video:
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Bernie still has this moment in time to do something
spectacular. The idea that after November, there will be any possibility of Bernie Sanders being welcomed back to the "club" is a pipe dream. He has gone up against the establishment, he has already exposed, or caused to be exposed the fact that Hillary is a total crook. He has shaken up the DNC, whether they can recover from all this is still in question.
His best shot is RIGHT NOW. There is no tomorrow, next week, next year, next election cycle. This is it. He will either strike a blow for a real Democracy, or go down in flames. He could join Jill Stein on the Green ticket, he could continue to expose the corruption that is the two party system.
The idea that Hillary is an improvement over Trump is just another meme that makes no sense. Hillary has made it abundantly clear that she is not going to be anything but the corporate hack she is. Bernie is wasting his time if he thinks those planks are going to make a bit of difference to the DNC. Mike Pence is a heartbeat away from the presidency if Trump is elected. Trump will be "Reagoned" within months of the election and we will have an Evangelical fruitcake in the Oval office. One who is tied to "the Family" the same way Hillary is. It is a win-win for the power elite.
He may have promised not to run as a third-party candidate, but he also had the expectation that he would be treated better by the DNC. He has to know they would favor Hillary, he couldn't have known the lengths they were willing to go to to shut him out.
When you think that Bernie probably did win the primaries, open and closed, and that the vast majority of independents and even a lot of Republicans would consider voting for him rather than Hillary/Trump, he has got to make a stand now or just go home. He will be 78, God willing, next election cycle, but by then, I don't believe we will have a country left to fight for.
a third choice
Bernie cannot save the country from Trump by supporting Hillary. He can save us from Trump by giving us another choice.
Please Bernie, be that choice.
Disappointment
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Disappointment
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Sanders' said "Not Me, Us"
He work incredibly hard to get a message out. Now it is our turn to stand up. He owes us nothing. He did his part.
Any way he plays it is fine by me.
But I'd really like to see him go for it.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
He owes it to those that gave more than they could afford...
To not endorse fraud.
To not capitulate to corruption.
To not go quietly into that night, when the fate of the nation, nay, the world lies in the balance.
He owes it to us all to speak the truth.
He owes it to us all to not remain silent.
And he owes this all to himself.
The spirit of party serves to enfeeble the Public Administration,
agitates with Jealousies and false alarms, and opens the door to corruption,
which finds access to the government itself through the channels of party passions.
George Washington
He's not done doing his part.
He took a wrong turn when he endorsed Hillary and is campaigning for her before she is even voted in as the nominee.
Has he been campaigning for her?
Can you give some examples? I haven't seen it but that, of course, doesn't mean it didn't happen.
I hope he does, too
but you can bet not one person in that hall on Monday will be allowed to hold up cameras, just in case.
I do hope they defy that order, and go in there ready to film wrongdoing, because the network feed to millions of homes will surely go dark if he calls it out and the shit gets ugly. Because it might.
But again, I hope he does. It's going to take UGLY at this point. People need to wake the fuck up. And someone needs to stop this madness, or we are lost. I think it's unfair to put that all on one man, but it seems to me that he may be the only one that could pull it off.
You're right, it is unfair...
But he volunteered for the position. He decided to run for President. Though - as has been pointed out elsewhere defiantly - he said this is about 'we' not 'me'; nevertheless, the Presidency is a Leadership position - in fact, the Leadership position. If he were not prepared to be on the cutting edge of leadership he wouldn't have volunteered for the role.
Nevertheless I feel for him and Jane, it must not be easy, but then, I'm sure they didn't expect it to be easy.
The spirit of party serves to enfeeble the Public Administration,
agitates with Jealousies and false alarms, and opens the door to corruption,
which finds access to the government itself through the channels of party passions.
George Washington
Can you clarify something for me?
Are delegates to the convention not allowed to use their cameras and/or camera phones? If this is the case, WTF??
"Stand Up! Keep Fighting!" - Paul Wellstone
Don't be surprised if it happens
No, I do not know the status of "smartphones" in the convention hall. But this bunch is now shifting into panic mode, so anything is possible.
If they ban them, though, all bets are off.
God, did I love imagining that scenario
Coronation night. Yes. Bernie up at the podium. Millions of eyes watching him blowing the lid off the teapot dome. The media lose their shit and for once in this fucking miserable election they are at a loss for words. And in that silence, his supporters from every walk of life, all collectively standing up in their living room across the country, fists up in the the air, shouting at the top of their lungs:
I. Love. This. Guy.
*sigh*
I can dream, can't I?
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
I. Love. This. Guy.
followed by "Lock her up! Lock her up".
“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.”
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I agree that people seem to be okay with stolen elections
The Supreme Court stole it in 2000, it was close enough in Ohio for Rove to steal it in 2004, and now we are seeing it blatantly stolen from Bernie by the DNC and there is no outrage about it.
As noted, millions gave Bernie money that they didn't have because he promised to fight for us all the way to the convention.
Okay, he hasn't released his delegates yet, but where is his outrage? We heard from Weaver, but Bernie?
If he rolls over and continues to campaign for Hillary after this, then I'm going with he was just sheep dogging
But it has backfired this time because people are sick of what the democrats stand for, or who they stand for.
He should be on tomorrow's news programs and speaking out about this.
I'm still waiting to see what he says at the convention and what he does with his delegates.
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
I think he's intimidated,
Wouldn't you be?
I mean, this IS Hillary we're talking about.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
If even half of what you read about the woman
is even in the ballpark, and has any basis in fact, anybody should be intimidated.
You think not? Here we are now, and how many state primaries results this year were questionable, again?
That there's so much....let's call it cooperation...by "machine Democrats" to vote counting, voter registration, and actual Election Day behaviors makes you wonder if threats are being made that can actually be backed up by deeds. With billions and billions of dollars at stake--because that's what it all boils down to--people can get outright ruthless.
So I say the guy has nothing to lose by deviating wildly from the teleprompter, and slamming down the gauntlet right up there on that podium, but I won't even hold it against him if he doesn't. As a general rule, most people appreciate the ability to take regular breaths of air in on a given day.
And they went and made it worse
By removing the people who oversees the elections. And that's after they quit doing exit polling because it was obvious that the exit polls didn't match up with the actual votes.
And how many states did Bernie win on votes but the wins went to Hillary because of the SDs?
SDs are the worse thing that the democrats put in place
And those SDs are industry insiders that over rule the will of the voters.
Let's look at a few of them.
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
I guess now we know the reason...
they pulled his Secret Service so quickly.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
Yes.
//most people appreciate the ability to take regular breaths of air in on a given day//
"We" (I) want Bernie to be our hero, but he's just a regular human being.
We have to take the information he's given us, and run with it. This isn't on him. It's on us, now. And it's harder for the machine to intimidate thousands of us in solidarity ...
Bernie has massive leverage, though.
Hillary can't win without his support. She pisses him off, no Pres. Clinton Part Deux. Like it or not, she needs him (especially after choosing Tim Kaine), and if he explicitly goes out and says that he is either running third party or can no longer endorse such blatant corruption, her numbers will crater and they will never recover. Let's not forget, Bernie won at least 45% of the Democrats and has a huge base among independents and even Republicans. He has influence, and up until now some of his voters have been scared enough of Trump to hold their nose and vote for Hillary. I don't think that Bernie could sway many votes to her, but he can definitely peel them off and get people to abstain altogether.
Simply put, Hillary should fear Bernie, just like the rest of the establishment does.
Yes,well said.
The spirit of party serves to enfeeble the Public Administration,
agitates with Jealousies and false alarms, and opens the door to corruption,
which finds access to the government itself through the channels of party passions.
George Washington
I'm not saying he can't do it,
and he has every right to claim the nomination after all this.
But to be the guy who skunks Hillary's Coronation after he endorsed her?
Bernie would have a better chance with Don Corleone.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
Not to mention "OMG Trumposaurus!"
Bernie has made it very, very clear that he is far more afraid of the T-Rump than the very worst that Shillary could possibly do.
Maybe he's right, maybe he's wrong - but it's his fear and his decision.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
Hey, somebody's gotta try
I'm sure it's dawned on him by now that we're at a tipping point, and that he is in the best position to try to stop this madness.
If he does, it might cost him his life.
I'm almost tempted to think he'll go out there and put it on the line. You wonder if they'd want to make a martyr out of him at this point, because if he, uhhhh, stopped drawing in air regularly, that's exactly what would happen.
Excellent points
The reason the Left never gains power in a country like this one is that it isn't willing to go to the lengths it takes to bring down the corrupt status quo. Not since labor organizers battled Pinkertons have we seen that kind of commitment. Bernie has the power now, but I don't expect him to use it as ruthlessly as it would take to knock Hillary's crown off her head. He didn't show that ruthlessness in the primary, when he could have run much harder on the corruption issue, and he won't do it this coming week.
He made his decision to run as a Democratic insider, and he's stuck with it. And I think he buys the argument that as bad as Hillary is, Trump is worse. I agree with him in that, although I know not everyone here does. Bernie engaged in an almost superhuman effort to give us a better choice, no doubt knowing he would likely fail. In doing so, he pointed the way forward, and told us he would be passing the baton to us. I can't ask more of him than that. He'll play the good soldier in the Triumph of the Hill production, but he'll keep pointing the way forward. We should keep moving in that direction, even if he's caught in the trap he knew he was stepping into.
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I think he's smart to play along for now.
Hillary is a flaming trainwreck. No sense in getting if front of that.
The way things are going, she may not make it to September.
Hell, she may not make it through next week.
And if she doesn't, then Bernie can step in and claim the nomination and Hillary can't complain.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
Absolutely
you know that's exactly what he's been doing...playing along. I wish more people would stop and consider that....
Voters are perfectly capable of engineering a loss for Hillary.
Disenfranchised Dems are the largest demographic (Millennials, the worker class, progressives, and Independents).
But their fear of Donald Trump has been too well fed for them to make the sacrifice and demonstrate that the people own the electoral process. The people can severely punish either party at any time. Progressives want it both ways: Hillary loses and Bernie takes her place. This suggests that USians may not have the political maturity to govern themselves.
To me, no outcome is more important that Hillary lose in November and the Democratic Party topple. It's the people's only chance to consolidate and take the upper hand. It's possibly their last chance for a very long time.
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The only way she wins now...
is outright theft.
She was already down in the polls before the email leak, and there's still a lot more coming from Guccifer et al.
No way she or the Dems come back from this. Not this year.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
From your lips ...
And all the while...
Trump learns to keep his trap shut and gets rewarded by watching Hillary lose every news cycle anyway.
"Never interrupt your opponent when she's making a mistake,"
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
LOL! Actually, I think that's been one of Trump's Rules
to Do Business By for a really long time now.
Or maybe even one of his smarter rules. If not both. If he ever really wanted the POTUS job, he's loving this shit...
I believe that FSC would not have chosen
Kaine, if she felt that Bernie had a lot of leverage.
IMO, the Clinton Machine would go after Bernie--and, I don't mean cause him physical harm--but destroy him politically and/or financially, if he doesn't help her in some way.
Frankly, I don't believe that he's spent 25 years in D.C. without having come to the realization that the Dem Party Establishment/Powers To Be, and many of his peers, are very much capable of vile actions, if crossed.
So, I don't fault him one bit if he takes a pass on challenging FSC's nomination.
I could be wrong, and if I am--I will gladly eat crow next week if Bernie decides 'to stick it to her.'
For sure, my entire Family would be absolutely thrilled!
Next week we plan to listen to only three speeches--Bernie's, Chelsea's, and Kaine's.
If the MSM coverage remains as over-the-top (adoring) as it's been for the past 24 hours, we'll have to skip most of the rest of the Convention. Or, listen to C-Span--without the gushing commentary.
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Clinton can win without his support.
Sanders has no leverage. Trump has no campaign. The people are completely fooled, and Clinton is going to win anyway. She doesn't really merit anyone's trust (outside of the trust of those who have paid, and paid handsomely, for it) -- but she's getting it anyway, and another generation of people who should have studied history are going to be sadly disappointed once again.
If ever there was a time in American history at which there was absolutely no risk to developing what Jodi Dean calls a "party for the people in the crowd," this is it.
"The most revolutionary thing one can do is always to proclaim loudly what is happening." -- Rosa Luxemburg
Not without cheating
she had to cheat before. She'll have to cheat again.
Yes, think how cheap
election fraud is becoming. You don't have to buy thousands of poll workers across the country--you only have to buy a majority of the IT people to fix the voting machines! Bonanza! (Will open voting correct any of this problem?)
It seems to me that, with the Kaine pick, the Clinton dem party has officially excommunicated Bernie and "everyone who looks like him."
If he campaigns for HRC and it goes anything like his endorsement speech, then the dem's will be campaigning on 2 mutually exclusive sets of policy at once. HRC doesn't want to have anything to do with Bernie's issues or policy initiatives. At the endorsement event, according to someone at TPW, C-Span covered Bernie's speech (which was his program with every sentence preceded by "Hillary understands that. . ."), but switched to covering Congress when it was time for a "boxed-in" Hillary to speak.
Dallasdoc mentions that left-wing fervor has faded in this country. That may be so. But when the Pinkertons were called in to put down the striking workers in the Homestead strikes, the issues were much more foundational and perhaps that's why the left was more inspired. The Homestead strike was about private property--about who owns the product of labor. The workers themselves wanted disposal rights over the products they were producing, the factory owners (businessmen) would brook no challenge to their total and absolute ownership of the product.
Bernie has not come close to the issues surrounding ownership.
Bernie has leverage, but he also knows that if
Hillary doesn't win, he'll be blamed. The Clintons and their ardent followers will NEVER accept the fact that she is an uninspiring candidate with lots of baggage and that they spent millions of dollars on a piss poor campaign and lost to a nut job. Bernie is walking a very fine line between a rock (Trump) and a hard place (Hillary). I trust his morals and judgment. I don't want him to come out of this with his reputation ruined, which the Clintons would have no hesitation doing to save their own.
He already ruined his own reputation
by endorsing her. Even if the convention gave him the nomination, I would not vote for him because of that betrayal.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
I don't give a shit what her Stepford Followers want to do
they can blame Sanders followers all they want. What they need to blame is their God Money. In the past, people have owned blame for not towing the Party Line (see: Ralph Nader), but I will guarandamntee you that this time, The Hillbots own this one.
They OWN it. Because I don't. It's that simple. They built that.
And they know it. Their words will be hollow to them, too. And they'll pay. One way or another, each and every one of them has some karma coming.
Bernie Sanders reputation won't be ruined to anybody except to God Money and His Many Disciples. And I Know it doesn't look that way sometimes, but they really are in the minority.
FWIW, Sanders knew his rep would take a hit, but it's not going to be KO'd for good. He'll be fine. It's the rest of us I worry about...
Intimidated, no.
Pressured, almost certainly. The party has the ability to use carrots and sticks related to his role and influence in the Senate.
He probably got a few calls from Clinton folks
Hey nice grandkids you've got there, shame if a=something bad where to happen.
Yes, fantasy but the problem is that with the Clinton's totally within the realm of possibility.
The Clinton's are scum
He does need to speak out and about this whole process. But...
he needs to hold onto his delegates until he decides it's over for him or turn them loose to vote their constituencies (represent those who voted for him in the primaries).
He had to endorse by DNC rules which he agreed to operate under. THe film of the endorsement looked like he was chewing glass. And mostly boxed Hillary in on all the policies they agreed to and she moved to during his run.
I'm waiting for this week to play out. I just can't imagine Jane going quietly either. They are carrying on with disappearing Bernie, and after his "endorsement" pretty sure they don't want him "campaigning" for Hillary.
He is working hard to get Progressives on down ballot races, another area where TPTB would rather an alternative in their molds.
After this week I change my registration or write in.
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Can you explain the DNC rule?
My understanding was that Hillary didn't have enough delegates without super delegates. No one has voted yet, so are they considering her nominated even so?
I have already re-registered Green, but if the election is close in my state I will vote for Hillary with a heavy heart and sick stomach. I am enraged that it has come down to Hillary and Trump, and I put the blame on the Clintons (with a huge assist from Obama) for putting us in this position. But Trump is far more dangerous than many seem to be willing to admit or take the time to understand. I will not have him on my conscience.
It is up to those of us who responded to Bernie's message to ramp it up after the election and stick with our cause through the tough coming years. Whatever happens in this election, the next four years are going to be very tough. We need to hang together in a positive manner, following the leadership Bernie has offered throughout the primary. Hopefully he will come up with some mechanism that will give us a framework for further action. If not, we develop it ourselves.
If you vote for Hillary then YOU are the problem!
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
Your opinion,
and a rather simplistic one from my viewpoint.
I'm not alone.
See Shirley's reply and please reconsider shafting the rest of us.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
This is exactly what Hillary is counting on.
"I have already re-registered Green, but if the election is close in my state I will vote for Hillary"
I will do exactly the opposite. If it's close in my state and I have a chance to stop Hillary, I will vote for Trump. I've had enough. I've been a loyal dem my whole life, but they have pulled away from me, yet still expect me to be loyal. Never again.
Clinton is end-of-the-world dangerous
1) TPP - foreign corporations' "anticipated profits" take priority over human (or earth) welfare
2) WWW III - she loves war, and is deluded enough to get us into a war with Russia. The demonization to justify it has already started. But Russia is no pushover. We'll all be glowing in the dark.
The end...
The top one per cent have their plan. Like first class passengers on the Titanic, they are strolling casually for the lifeboats, confident that 2nd and 3rd class passengers, the 99% are locked below decks, comforted with the often broadcast message that "we are all in this together", "unity first!". Well, below decks, Bernie got the message out to all those confined in the lower bowels of the ship. Time to kick down the doors and gates and charge the main deck. Bernie clued us in to what the hell is really happening, this tipping point is ours. Time to show the nation the 1% is ready to ditch the sinking ship for their offshore accounts in Panama, etc, and leave us all with nothing.
We are it folks. Bernie pointed the way; whether he is made to drink the hemlock cup or not, the job is now ours. Pull the mask off all the DNC lies, election fraud, media manipulation. No, if we are truly " all in this together", then every child, woman, and man gets a shot at the lifeboats, and Hillary and her DNC can be left on deck to have their black tie party and cocktails. Ice or no ice with that drink?
There is no cavalry to the rescue...we are it. We've got to seize this moment and pull the mask off this giant fucking, rigged scam. Damn I'm pissed! - Nemoshell
The comment below was for you nemoshell
The spirit of party serves to enfeeble the Public Administration,
agitates with Jealousies and false alarms, and opens the door to corruption,
which finds access to the government itself through the channels of party passions.
George Washington
nemoshell's exhortation -- set to music
Per the c99p tradition, here's that song set to music by Bob Weir and the Grateful Dead:
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"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
nailed it ... eom
As much as I would like to agree with you...
Every successful movement has had a charismatic leader. It's sad, but it's also true. OWS was a powerful force, but without the single voice to clarify the meaning and momentum and moment, there was in the end, no lasting substantive social edifice. OWS changed history once, but is no longer.
The spirit of party serves to enfeeble the Public Administration,
agitates with Jealousies and false alarms, and opens the door to corruption,
which finds access to the government itself through the channels of party passions.
George Washington
charismatic leader NOT necessary
OWS has many echoes which still bear considerable power despite no "charismatic leader". Anonymous is one example.....
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
I've given Sanders more money . . .
than I've given any political candidate; I've given plenty of money to candidates and groups who supported him.
But I don't feel at all defrauded by what has happened. He has signaled that he would support Clinton for over a year, if she won the nomination. There were no qualifiers. The only question was how robust the support would be. He hasn't done fundraising for her or the party. He hasn't given his supporter information.
I feel angry about it, but it was clear at the outset what was going on; it was clear after Super Tuesday that he faced incredibly long odds and that the party establishment was putting its whole body on the scale.
Ultimately, he is going to do what he thinks is appropriate given his position as a U.S. Senator, who also has obligations to his constituents. People are free to do what they want too. They aren't bound to support his decision.
However, the idea that he would trash Clinton on Monday night is absurd; it's not a reasonable expectation based on his history either.
Agree completely.
and as I say above, everything he's fought for would be undermined if the Clintons could pin a lost election on him. If that happens, I will not live long enough to see political daylight again.
But he already made this decision.
From his actions, he seems to have decided that all of the benefit available from continuing the fight at the Presidential level had been tapped out, and the focus should shift down ballot and toward building infrastructure for the longer term.
So would this proposed action help down ballot, and would it help build infrastructure for the longer term? I don't see any argument offered that suggests that it would.
-- Virtually, etc. B)
It is clearly NOT decision time for Senator Sanders.
He's made up his mind. Have we made up ours?
"The most revolutionary thing one can do is always to proclaim loudly what is happening." -- Rosa Luxemburg
Sanders should
retract his endorsement. From a purely political view he now has the perfect cover to do so.
Retribution must go much deeper than the firing of the sacrificial lamb DWS (she was always more of a symptom than a cause anyway)
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
Just listened to Bernie on This Week.
Says DWS should resign, but still says we need to defeat Trump and elect Hillary Clinton.
No change to his attitude after the leaks.
It's not as if the leaks would be news to him.
Bernie Sanders has been raising the biased approach of DWS for months now ... and has been an independent in a two party system for decades. It seems like there would be very little in the e-mails that would have caught him by surprise.
-- Virtually, etc. B)
instead of a speech he should read the emails
that would be funny. And then at the end he should endorse Jill Stein.
He has decided.
He has called for the resignation of DWS while he is supporting Hillary Clinton for President.
the clinton killing machine
What would any of us do if our children were threatened? Our spouses? Our (itty bit of) financial security? We all know what has happened to those that oppose the Clinton Machine, from Arkansas forward. What was Bernie threatened with? Well we may never know, but I think we should give the man a break. Not than I am not as furious and heartbroken as everybody else. But now it is not the man that matters, just the movement.
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