A Retired LEO's thoughts on policing.

I was meaning to cross post this for a while from TOP but I was putting it off to avoid even having to log in but now seemed like an appropriate time.

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Let me start off by apologizing in advance. I am not a professional writer and my grammar can tend to suck. (Figured I would head the Grammar Nazi's off at the pass.) Smile

This is my first Diary, but it is something I have wanted to share with my fellow Kossack's for some time.

Actually, Diary may be giving it too much credit, lets go with "Free form rant". Much less pressure with that since it is my nature to ramble.

Anyway, here are some of my thoughts on things we can do to improve the face of law enforcement as well as rebuild the trust between the civilian and LEO community.

Please follow me below the fold if for no other reason than to tell me where I am wrong. I am always happy to hear countering opinions and ideas.

If I wasn't, I'd still be registered as a Republican, lol!

Distrust (or outright fear) of the Police by the average citizen is at an all time high.

There are many factors that I feel lead into this. One of the largest is probably prohibition in general and the failed social experiment called The War on Drugs specifically, which in all actuality is really a war on a significant portion of Americans.

I have seen studies that show that roughly half of the people in this country have at one time or another used an illicit substance.

That means that at one point or another roughly half of us could have been thrown into a cage if not for the fact that we just failed to get caught.

When I was growing up in NJ, a roach could land you a prison sentence as well as lead to asset forfeiture.

Now, you may be one of the group that didn't experiment with drugs, and that's fine. You are safe from it.

But what about your son? Your Daughter? Your best friend? You might think you don't know any illicit drug users, but you'd be wrong. You just don't KNOW that you know any users of illicit substances because we make them hide in the shadows.

On second thought, let me correct that. You might THINK your safe, but again, you would be mistaken.

We still kick in doors of innocent people waging this war, and shoot your dog to boot. Even if it is obvious that the dog presents no real significant threat.

Hell, sometimes we even shoot you! Even if you're unarmed. Or even just an infant in a crib. (Ok, we don't shoot those, we just disfigure them with flash-bangs.) Try googling "Cops Kill Wrong House". There are so many instances it is just horrifying.

I think we need a DRAMATIC reduction in the use of no knock warrants as well as a more sensible policy to apprehending suspects.

For example, instead of kicking in doors at 4AM to raid a home full of potential innocents wouldn't it make more sense to have a group of plain clothed officers strategically place themselves to intercept the suspect while they are going about their day?

It seems to me that it would be much safer for all involved if a group of officers that are well trained in unarmed grappling techniques quickly rushed and subdued the individual using hands on tactics rather than rushing into a suburban home armed and geared up like your clearing a city block in Iraq.

For those of you that watch Mixed Martial arts, think of 4 guys like Liddell, Gracie, St-Pierre and Silva, except they have been training and working together for one task, that of subduing a single individual as a team without causing the suspect serious injury.

Do you think they could pull it off? I do. In seconds.

Yes, this might lead to minor (or sometimes even not so minor) injuries to the officers, but hey, that is part of our job. We take the risk of potential injury into account when we took that oath and accepted the position.

So do Soldiers, however they do not pass that risk on to the very civilian population they are sworn to protect, instead they sacrifice their safety to preserve yours, and so should we.

Yet we do the opposite all the time. How many times do I have to hear about an unarmed person who's life was ended by an officer, "In fear for his safety"? When did we become such quivering wussies?

Another thing I would like to see is community policing.

By community policing, I don't mean something to the effect of X% of population in a given area is Y% of a particular ethnic group therefor the Police officers for that area must be comprised of the same percentage of officers kind of definition (although that's not to say I think that it's a bad idea, I just have a different take on what the definition SHOULD be) what I mean is getting police OUT of their cruisers and back on foot patrol wherever possible.

Officers should be regularly assigned to a neighborhood, travel in pairs or even solo based on need and get to know the population. When you interact with someone on a daily basis, you get to know them and it becomes much harder to see them as the enemy.

They get to know who is on the block and those on the block get to know them. People used to be comfortable talking to the police, and the police used to be comfortable around civilians. Neither of which is true anymore.

When cops rush from incident to incident in their cruisers, and only deal with the worst the neighborhood has to offer on a consistent basis it makes it easier for them to classify everyone as Scumbags.

And again, the reverse is true. When the civilian population of a neighborhood only sees the cops when they are kicking in their neighbors doors etc. for doing something that isn't hurting anyone but themselves (or sometimes nobody at all, because oops, my bad so sorry about shooting your dad, we had the wrong house.) I just don't see a close knit relationship following such interactions.

We need cops to know the people on their patrol as citizens, and not just as potential enemies and vice versa.

Of course we would still need officers in cruisers, I am not saying do away with them, but that they should only fulfill limited rolls, such as fast response teams for major incidents, traffic enforcement, etc.

Hell, I would settle for putting the cops on Segways even, anything that makes it easier for them to interact with their community on a regular basis will be one of the first steps to healing the wounds decades of over policing from a distance have inflicted.

We need to get back to the days of the beat cop, walking the block, popping into the bodega for a coffee and a chat and then moving on. (Don't even get me started on how this would help our plummeting homicide clearance rates.)

Ok, let's go back to the topic of drugs for a second (Hey, I warned you that I tend to ramble.)

There is a culture of steroid abuse that is rampant through many LEO agencies. We have politicians that want to drug test the poor, but continue to ignore the obvious incidents of 'Roid Rage that are so frequently caught on camera. This isn't new information, yet it somehow manages to avoid almost all media attention.

Take a look at pre-hire photo's of many of these officers that are charged with abuse, then look at them in the video again, then, if by some chance they got charged, look at their courtroom photo's a year later.

Notice anything?

I am not saying that I suspect that there is a steroid abuse problem in the law enforcement community, I am saying that I KNOW there is one.

We need to implement NATIONAL requirements for both mandatory random and post incident drug testing, to include testing for illicit steroid use. Why this is such a controversy is beyond me. We do it for train conductors, bus drivers and even non-safety based jobs, why wouldn't we want to do so for those we are entrusting our lives to and issuing firearms to?

Lets take a note from Republican Jesus 2, AKA Regan "Trust, but verify" that the cops are not in an altered state.

Another thing we way want to consider is examining and screening officers for PTSD. Cops do see some pretty horrific shit, and that is bound to fuck up even the toughest of us.

It might even be a good idea to treat Line Officers like the military in one regard. I.E. you can only do so many years as a beat cop before either promoting up to detective, administrative, etc or moving back to civilian life.

To be honest, I don't know if this is a good idea or not. I am torn due to the thought of the loss of experienced officers, however an experienced but burned out or unstable officer is not a good thing either, but one potential upside is it could erode the blue wall of silence, so I think it's something worth at least discussing.

Lets talk about that wall for a second. We need to do something about it. When "Good" cops cover up for bad cops, even if it is only by being silent, then they are no longer good cops. The Blue Wall leads to massive distrust.

How can you trust someone that is going to lie about you to protect their partners criminal behavior?

I am not sure what we can do about this, but in all honesty I don't see how anything short of enacting RICO type legislation will change this.

If Rico can tear down Omerta it can do the same to the Blue Wall of Silence.

Ok, on to Body Cams.

To me, this is a no-brainer that I don't see how anyone could be against, even officers. If you are really a good cop, and don't violate peoples rights, these are only a good thing as they will vindicate you if you are accused of misconduct.

Now, if you are one of the dirty cops? Fuck off. I got no love for you. You are more damaging than any criminal because you didn't just violate the law, you violated the public's trust in all of us. Call me old fashioned but if I take an oath it's a promise and I don't make, or take, promises lightly.

Personally though, I want more than a vest cam. Vest cams are too limited and can only catch one angle and if I am shooting at you, odds are my chest is going to be facing away from my target so I can provide the smallest profile possible which is going to cause it to potentially miss critical moments of an incident.

I want cameras that are POV so I can see what things from the officers perspective at the time (Something like Google Glasses maybe?) as well as 360 (maybe a hatband with fisheyes?). If some scumbag does take a good cop down from behind I want an image of them too, as well as a complete record of the incident.

But I want those videos secured by a third party agency that only releases them based on need. We don't want potentially sensitive videos of victims of rape or child molestation, etc leaked to the internet so we need to implement some safeguards that preserve privacy while still allowing for legitimate access when necessary.

They must also be capable of live streaming directly to the server and if the signal is interrupted for any reason a radio call must be made to immediately recall the officer to the station to repair or correct the problem. I don't want officers able to switch them off.

Also, officers now have this trick where they blast the radio of their car when they get out so that the dash cam mic's can't properly record, that needs to be treated with disciplinary action up to and including termination, and tampering with a camera should receive the same.

Ok, well this has already gone on longer than I intended it to be. My intent was for this to be a short summary of a few ideas and thoughts and I only got about half-way through them due to my prattling nature. Maybe I will do a follow up some day.

What are your thoughts?

(Like I said, this is my first foray into writing a Diary, so please be gentle. Wink Or don't, I have a pretty thick skin, lol!)

P.S. Special thanks to Shaun King, who's many Diaries inspired me to throw together this one.

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Wow, I just realized when pasting it that it was the first Diary I ever wrote over there, lol!

I was gonna link some stuff from the comments because there was some good discussion there (Remember the days when that could be found there? Pepperidge Farm Remembers...) but wasn't sure if that would cause problems so if you wanna venture to the cesspit and check it out feel free, my username is the same but I wouldn't blame ya if you didn't. Smile

Thanks for reading and I hope you liked it.

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Alex Ocana's picture

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Sorry a bit off topic.... I find your essay to be "right on"

As far as protest goes, this is what we need. Protesters need to get the cops on the people's side and have seen some people in the protests engaging in dialog.

I would also like to see them get rid of their military gear, their Israeli training, restore constitutional rights which have been stripped, and disband most SWAT teams.

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I would also like to see them get rid of their military gear, their Israeli training, restore constitutional rights which have been stripped, and disband most SWAT teams.

The demilitarization of our police cannot happen soon enough.

Hopefully we will end the war on drugs soon and that will take away a huge portion of the funding and justification for such equipment and training.

As far as Swat teams go, I am of the opinion that they should have one for the STATE not for every department. We got along fine for decades without having every small town PD having a SWAT unit.

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Baton Rouge Cops Throw Protesters Into Street, Arrest Them for Being There

BATON ROUGE, Louisiana — Hundreds of people peacefully protesting on private property Sunday evening were thrown into the street by police, and then several were then arrested for being on the street.

Approximately 500 people had gathered at France and East in downtown Baton Rouge after first coming together at a nearby Methodist church to protest the police killing of Alton Sterling. Meeting the protesters were about 100 officers in riot gear. A homeowner gave the protesters safe refuge on her front lawn so they would not be arrested for being in the street.
“No justice, no peace!” they yelled.

After 90 minutes of peaceful assembly, police charged the crowd for no clear reason. Protesters scattered, many running down a side street. Those protesters were then arrested for obstruction of a highway. ... MORE

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faster than I anticipated.

I think things may seriously start getting ugly in our country.

These things have a way of creating positive feedback loops and growing at an exponential rate.

Look how fast Egypt Revolution unfolded.

I am gonna go watch The Square again soon and see if I am "Remembering" parallels or similarities that didn't exist.

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and after every shooting. Drug test results should be made public.

That has to be a must.

thank you for the essay.

dealing with my child's OCD and sibbing from the obvious stress of the news. my son is worried about his friends he graduated with. most he knows have been injured, scared or just down right beaten and bullied by the men and women who swore to serve and protect. recently a dear friend's 13 yr old autistic son was shot four times in the back, luckily it was a bean bag gun. don't think my son doesn't think of that and include it with the near misses he's had while accidentally encountering authority figures while taking public transit to school or work experience.

hell, school had to teach the special needs students NOT to call 911 because the police just are not trained to help the most vulnerable of citizens... the disabled, the different, the scared.

What it comes down to at the end of the night. And this is gutter honest time between you and me. ...

It's my loved ones safety, my loved ones right not to be harassed, intimidated or downright bullied. Their right not to be shot, tazed, beaten, mocked or murdered.

This shit has to end now. What type of training requires police to realize that beating old or disabled people is NOT the thing to do?

Is there some seminar that will drill it into cop's brains that punching an elderly woman in the face 9 times because she jaywalked is NOT the humane thing to do? Is there some need to read up on codes that laughing at a rape victim isn't really performing one's "sacred duty".

Training is a great idea, your ideas are fantastic but for the most part - some of this brutal shit they are doing is beyond basic lack of humanity. There's no way of getting around that.

My son is rightly terrorfied of cops.

I say do the all of the above but first get rid of all them. Time for a complete overhaul. Start from scratch all over. Make them all re-apply if they came up to the new standards.

Thanks for the essay and your ideas and thoughts. Thanks for letting me share mine. This is how it can begin.

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hell, school had to teach the special needs students NOT to call 911 because the police just are not trained to help the most vulnerable of citizens... the disabled, the different, the scared.

Unfortunately there are numerous instances of police shootings of autistic, deaf, demented, or otherwise incapacitated people because police felt that '"they (the police" were threatened. I agree with your suggestion that mandatory drug testing be initiated and that any action of police violence (even if not a shooting) be followed by drug testing.

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I was actually beaten up by the cops twice myself as a minor in South Jersey, and despite that I still ended up working in the field. Heck, maybe even because of it.

It was never a likely career path, that is for sure!

My own mother actually said to me after I received my badge, "Well, we always knew you would end up in Prison, Just didn't figure you would have the keys..." She is a bit of a card, lol!

I don't know what I can say about all the other stuff outside of asking you to please let your son know that we are not all asshats, there are a lot of people that get into it for the best of intentions. They don't always stay that way unfortunately, but many of them do.

I have met some damn fine law enforcement (I hate that word and always preferred Peace Officer) officers over the years and I have met some scumbags, just as with every other group of people that I have ever met.

Unfortunately, the scumbags in this group have a higher potential to inflict incredible damage and ruin peoples lives, but there are also those out there that genuinely believe in doing the job for the honorable reasons, to serve our communities, to help people and if necessary die doing it and I just hope that despite the fact that we may be perceived, rightly or wrongly, as the minority, that we do exist, we do care about him and we really are trying to make things better.

I know it is little solace, but sadly it is all I can really offer.

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There's nothing we can tell our children about police that they don't already know. The country is a scary, violent nation and sadly the "law enforcement" actually makes it worse.

It's going to take a complete overhaul for the rest of us to every feel safe.

I mean... they even have cops in our schools now.

We dressed my son's wounds last night. He's a picker. He hasn't picked in years. Stress, worry, anxiety and fear are causes. We tried to talk to him but there's nothing we can tell our kids about police brutality.

Except we love them and we hope a cop isn't have a "bad day" if they have a chance encounter.

I don't know how other parents handle their child being murdered by the police. I can only begin to speculate how it would affect me, all I know is I would never be the same and I'd probably evolve into something very evil.

I know not ALL are bad. But it's like hearing "all lives matter" when the point is not all lives matter apparently to some.

I did not know that cops didn't need a college degree??? Is this true?

Drug test them and they should at least have 4 years of college under their pepper spray belt.

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Although I never considered the steroids with all the rage that is displayed in a lot of these incidents it makes perfect sense. Along with racism and cowardice this is surely a problem and there is no reason cops shouldn't be tested as it is common practice in many professions.

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police unions have been fighting (for what reason I don't know) for decades.

We test people that drive a truck both randomly and for cause, yet we don't think the same is a good idea for those that we issue overpowered vehicles, firearms and basically a license to kill? That just astounds me. (Although as a Union Rep, I can see why they are against it from one perspective, management has historically used such things to harass and otherwise fuck with officers that don't toe the line, but I just don't think that is suitable reason to not have some kind of testing program even if it has to be overseen by an outside agency to prevent harassment and abuse, it is a more complicated issue than it appears on it's face, but it certainly can be overcome.)

As far as the Steroids go, yeah, once you know what to look for (If you don't, go do a quick 30 minutes research on the effects of Steroid abuse on personality) it is pretty obvious in many of these videos.

What is really telling is if you can get your hands on images of the officers involved in such things from before they were hired, before the incident and then if it goes to trial months later the trial photos.

The signs of Steroid beginning and cessation are readily apparent in a LOT of cases.

(can't remember if I touched on that in the main Essay or not, I just reposted without rereading, I probably should go do that, lol!)

Anyway, thanks for taking the time to comment and add your thoughts, I really think this is an issue we need to have more discussions about between those with LEO experience that are also "Lefties" and those fighting these things if for no other reason than maybe we can offer a window into the mindset of those that are involved in these situations which can only help foster understanding which is going to be a big step in repairing the rift between the LEO and Citizen communities (I hate using Civilian, it almost makes it sound lessor so I try to go with Citizen, because that is who we work for.)

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are not allowed to organize and negotiate a contract. In those states and cities where they can, it takes management and the union to agree on a contract. If the city wants drug testing, random or incident specific, it can easily say no to having a provision in the contract that says otherwise. The city, or state, can impose drug testing and the union, or the unorganized officers(or teachers or sanitation workers) have to go along.

I like the idea of having the police officers live in the jurisdiction they serve. I think it makes for better rapport and better policing. I didn't like it when the city of Richmond said through its city council, that officers employed by Richmond live in Richmond. The professional association - public unions are forbidden in VA - went to the legislature and got a law passed and signed that prevented cities and counties from mandating the officers live in the respective jurisdictions. I think local control is better. (There's a lot of anti-Richmond sentiment in the VA legislature.)

The War on Drugs needs to be ended - there's more drug use now then before and it's just filling the prisons with nonviolent offenders and giving the State Department another tool to overthrow other country's governments.

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I, for one, have admired and appreciated your many comments on c99. Your essay is well-expressed. Emotional--yes. Common sense--yes. What part of SW Florida do you live in--I would like to have a few beers with you.

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I am in the SW FL area, Cape Coral/Fort Myers to be specific.

If you ever manage to get down this way I would be happy to take ya out on the boat and share a beer with you.

Same goes for the rest of my Florida C99P Peeps, I like to entertain. Smile

We should try to get a beach camping trip/meetup out on one of the islands. Could be a blast and I don't mind playing shuttle pilot. Biggrin

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One of my daughters went to FGCU. So, if I ever get to the Sunshine State, before it's under water--but, hey, you've got a boat.

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I hadn't considered the steroid issue, but I wonder if the fact so many police officers are veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan influences their reactions in perceived dangerous situations. For example, since when is it acceptable to keep shooting until you run out of ammo? Why not shoot a suspect one time (especially at close range) and see what happens? And if the target is unarmed and running away, don't shoot at all.

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a fleeing person was only if the officer had knowledge that the person fleeing probably committed a violent crime and was apt to do so in the immediate future unless forcibly stopped. The thought behind this was the person fleeing probably left enough clues behind for the detectives to make an identification and that it would not be difficult to find and arrest him/her. If the person had committed an act of violence, he/she was thought to be very likely to do so again during flight - carjacking, hostage taking, random killing, etc - and needed to be stopped.

In NYC a few decades ago, there was outrage when police shot and killed a disturbed man in the middle of a street with a screwdriver threatening passersby. The first officer on the scene called for backup, four officers responded, and instead of manhandling the suspect to the ground and arresting him, they shot and killed him. Since then, these police murders - and I call this murder because the cops could have wrestled him into submission - have become more and more common. I don't think there's any excuse for it, I am glad to see the issue raised, and reforms need to be implemented.

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I have big problems with the blanket hiring of ex-military into law enforcement for a variety of reasons, but the biggest one is due to training.

As a training officer, I am well aware that how we react in a SHTF situation is to automatically revert to our training. That's why you do it. You repeat reaction responses to various scenarios over and over again until the "Proper" reaction occurs reflexively.

The problem lies in that military personnel, particularly those from combat MOS's will have received massive amounts of training to react in a manner appropriate to a combat theater, not domestic/civilian one.

They train for sometimes years as well as having "Practical" experience to reinforce said training if they served in a combat capacity.

We train our officers for far less time than we do our military, and it is simply not enough to overcome both their prior training and institute different reaction patterns. It takes way longer to untrain established reactions than it does to train them initially, particularly when the reactions need to generally be the opposite of those already in place.

Another problem I see is that too many departments spend a LOT more time on Use of Force training and not nearly enough on nonviolent conflict resolution methods and psychology. Both are important but in my opinion if we spent more time training for the latter we wouldn't need to utilize the former near as often, quite frequently you see police in these videos needlessly escalating a situation rather than utilizing just a bit of patience and trying to calm things down rather than just gaining immediate compliance through force and intimidation.

But who knows, I could be wrong, apparently most of the departments out there seem to think so based on whats been happening...

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departments hands are tied because of veterans' preference. In the federal sector, a veteran receives an extra 5 points on the rating because of that status. A disabled veteran receives 10 points and can reopen a vacancy announcement because of status.

In Massachusetts, the veterans' preference is extended for each and every vacancy after the veteran is hired. This puts lesser qualified people into management positions. Many states have a form of veterans' preference and as we learned here yesterday, or I did anyway, the Obama administration is strengthening and bolstering the hiring of veterans without regard to the communities where the new hires go.

I see no movement to limit this and I think it's an important part of the adverse chance in police behavior.

A poster above points out the practice of emptying a gun into a suspect. I wager that you were taught not to do that and I would not be surprised if recruits are still taught not to do that. If so, it's a failure of first line supervision and management.

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This Black Lives Matter Photo Should Be Seen Around The World

These guys look like the cast of "Starship Troopers." WTF?

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questions raised in the comments. I am learning a lot and perhaps others are too.

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because it is a subject we really need to discuss and find solutions to.

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