Breaking - FBI Director Comey not recomending indictment
UPDATE: Full transcript of FBI Director James Comey's statement on the Clinton investigation can be found here: Washington Post
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Just watched FBI Director Comey's Statement to Press on Clinton email server and email investigation:
Comey said, based on past cases, FBI would not recommend to Department of Justice any criminal charges be filed.
Other remarks by by FBI Director Comey (based on my handwritten notes) follow:
1. Said he had not cleared his statement with any other official in the Federal Government.
2. Claimed that while they recovered some of the deleted emails, they could not recover all of them.
3. Began investigation after referral from intelligence agency over concerns classified information was maintained on Clintons private servers. Made a point ot say this was not one server, but several, as well as multiple devices used.
4. Found evidence of 110 emails from the 30,000 provided by Clinton that contained (a) 8 email threads that Top Secret information (highest level), 36 that contained Secret information and 8 that contained confidential information (lowest level). Also found 2000 emails that were later up-classified to have contained confidential information.
5. Found several other emails not provided by Clinton from other sources, including emails retained by recipients of her emails. Of those recovered emails, 1 contained Secret information and 2 contained confidential information.
6. Was unable to forensically recover all of the emails that Clinton deleted. Stated her aides who received those emails scrubbed their devices or accounts in such a way as tom make it impossible to recover.
7. Found no evidence of deliberate or intentional misconduct by the lawyers who worked to delete the emails not turned over to State Department. Said lawyers for Clinton did not read emails, only subject matter headers, after searching the data base by using various "search terms."
8. Did conclude that Clinton was "extremely careless" in her handling of top secret and other classified information on her servers. Evidence showed that reasonable person should have known it was not safe to have such information on servers not maintained by the US government. States many people were aware Clinton was using a private server for her emails.
9. Stated Clinton's servers were not protected from intrusion by hostile interests as well as government servers or even servers used by private companies such as Google regarding their gmail.com servers.
10. Found no evidence of intrusion of Clinton servers by foreign entities or hackers, but said the potentially her servers were hacked because it was unlikely evidence of the intrusion could be discovered after the fact due to the poor security protection of Clinton servers.
11. Did find evidence that email accounts of Clinton email corespondents were hacked.
12. Stated Clinton made a habit of using her devices to send emails while in foreign counties or other places.
13. Though the FBI could find no evidence of hacking, their assessment is that foreign or hostile interests likely did obtain classified information as a result of her use of unprotected private server on which she maintained classified information.
14. Did not recommend indictment because FBI determined that no reasonable prosecutor would bring case based on these facts. All prior cases in which indictments were brought involved instances of intentional action, and FBI found no evidence that was the case here. Did not comment on whether the "extreme carelessness" he spoke of earlier was sufficient to meet the alternative standard of "gross negligence" in the statute to Clinton with criminal violations.
15. Claims this did not mean that what Clinton did was right, or should carry no consequences, only that he would not recommend criminal charges.
16. States investigation was above board and apolitical. He stated he was proud of the professional manner in which FBI investigated this case.
He then left podium and took no questions from press at that time.
Comments
I'm So Shocked -SHOCKED- To Hear This
I never held any hope that Justice remains alive in the USA. The Law has flaws, for it is but rules for fools to follow while their betters get away with anything they do.
Vowing To Oppose Everything Trump Attempts.
Comey displayed true balls in going after his own party
so, I thought there might be a fighting chance.
NOW we'll see if there are any FBI leaks and perhaps Assange will treat us to what's up his sleeve.
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
Comey is a Tea-GOPer
GOP Will Be Hard-Pressed To Attack FBI's Comey For Recommending No Charges Against Clinton
"We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty."
Careless
Careless, but not criminal. CARELESS as SOS, and she wants to be POTUS? WTF.
How do they always get away with this?
willful and gross negligence = no charges!
Comey: "Clinton handled classified info as no reasonable person would have ..."
willful and gross negligence = unfit to be leader
There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties.. This...is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution.--John Adams
What's odd
Is that Comey appears to have made that last bit up. Intentions have no bearing on charges of this nature, and negligence should be fully indictable.
While I didn't expect her to be indicted, the weak rationale for not doing so is despicable. Comey is a stooge.
Plenty of others have been convicted for much less. Hillary is literally above the law.
If Hillary can walk, why are we still chasing Ed Snowden?
"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."
Snowden has neither money nor power,
and Hillary is wallowing in both.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
$$$$$$$
I'm great at multi-tasking. I can waste time, be unproductive, and procrastinate all at the same time.
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"Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it."
-- John Lennon
extremely careless
extremely careless is the term Comey used. And of course she lied that none of the emails were classified at the time.
What a President that will be!
“The first duty of a man is to think for himself”
Well it...
Well it depends on where the meaning of lie lies!
/s
Compensated Spokes Model for Big Poor.
Don't think we'l have to worry about her being POTUS
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/437479/fbi-rewrites-federal-law-let...
When we have to go to the national review, to get opinions, we know we're gonna have to get used to hearing the words President Trump.
WHO could possibly vote for a person who was RECKLESS and EXTREMELY CARELESS with government documents ( please stop calling them just "emails") as SOS, to be POTUS? FBI Director can't say whether they were hacked, especially when she was traveling. She is NOT qualified to lead anything except her group of sycophants!
Sad when the National Review makes sense
I just hope that Republicans pull themselves together, dump Trump (It rhymes!) and nominate someone like Romney.
Hillary would stand no chance against a legitimate opponent.
Hillary: Making sure women get a bigger piece of the middle-class pie that her neoliberal, DLC, pro-Wall Street, pro-Pentagon, pro-TPP, Republican-lite economic policies are designed to shrink.
Deplorable as Romney is,
he'd be FAR better than either Medusa or the Trumposaurus. (And, ironically, it would be a fulfillment of the White Horse Prophecy. In a way.)
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
Did anyone else catch this statement?
So if ANONE ELSE DOES THIS then they would probably face consequences, but not Hillary.
IF that doesn't show the fix is in for her, then what does?
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
The fix, as you say, was in and an aristo-neolib was spared.
Woe to the unconnected and the poor.
"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"
Shades of the Bush v Gore
Shades of the Bush v Gore decision that set no precedent.
Hillary: Making sure women get a bigger piece of the middle-class pie that her neoliberal, DLC, pro-Wall Street, pro-Pentagon, pro-TPP, Republican-lite economic policies are designed to shrink.
What this means...
...is if she had security clearance she would have it yanked. And if she didn't she would never be able to get it.
Imagine we are running a candidate for president that after this would not be able to get security clearance. And she is the best we got as democrats. Crap crap.
All Hail the Queen
fuck this shit.
Disgusting
The smugness of the Hilbots will now become completely unbearable.
Bernie or bust!
They are
celebrating over at GOS. We as a country are so FUCKED!
“Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” - John Steinbeck
We are now officially a banana republic. n/t
-Greed is not a virtue.
-Socialism: the radical idea of sharing.
-Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
John F. Kennedy, In a speech at the White House, 1962
I guess there are no more countries for the US to make into
banana republics so now they have to consume what they are so good at producing.
Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.
come on ...Mr. Tallyman, tally me bananas
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Daylight come and we wan go home.
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I love that song. thanks mimi
Thanks mimi
I first heard this song on Beetlejuice. Anyone else see that movie
The ghosts made the guests sing and dance and do funny moves.
Great movie and soundtrack.
I used to run to this, Lady Hawk and Arthur.
Ah, the memories of being young and healthy.
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
Skate away, there, Hill...
Beyond disgusting. That is all.
Any person serving time for careless security breach
should now please come forward and be counted.
Anyone in the future
contemplating a security breach? GO for it...no big deal. Gross negligence? Just say you had no "intent".
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
If I'm Chelsea Manning
I am pretty sure I'm screaming at the top of my lungs for counsel, because am I not in jail for whistleblowing over something similar? (ie. the handling of classified info)
It's OK if You're Hillary
War criminal and felon in the White House. Same old story.
"They'll say we're disturbing the peace, but there is no peace. What really bothers them is that we are disturbing the war." Howard Zinn
IOKIYAC
amirite?
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
Funny! The IOKIYAR acronym was invented by the
Rachel Maddow Show. I doubt we'll ever see your version there, MsGrin.
"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
He beat her up. Careless with handling top secret
information. Seven "top secret" chains of email discussion on non-secure devices. Can't say hostile governments don't have that information. He basically said "only a nincompoop would do this". But Comey concludes that no reasonable prosecutor would indict.
I could not resist going to TOP. The fast and loud mantra was "Hillary is cleared of all wrongdoing". If it was anybody besides Trump, this presser alone would have killed Hillary's chances in the general election. Romney or even McCain (without Palin as VP, of course) would have destroyed her based on the presser alone. Can Trump take advantage of this? Could Bernie or Jill as a third party? Stay tuned.
"Just call me Hillbilly Dem(exit)."
-H/T to Wavey Davey
Did you expect otherwise?
They are going to work overtime spinning this one. Because that's the objective: spin.
The embarrassing facts are not important.
Let 'em.
And if we do nothing else in the next few days, let's try not to help them HERE.
Donald Trump is going to club her over the head with "careless and incompetent" and the word "nincompoop". Assuming he ever really wanted the job. Which I still don't believe he does.
If I'm Bernie, I'm goin' Green. He better get it in gear now, if he was ever serious.
I agree. If Sanders was ever serious about taking this country
back from the 1%, now is the time to speak up or forever hold his 'piece/peace'.
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Speak your piece means "state your opinion or view." One sense of the word piece is specific to this expression.
Hold your peace means the same as hold your tongue: "to keep silent or to not say anything about something." It's commonly heard in traditional marriage vows:
http://www.learnersdictionary.com/qa/speak-your-piece-and-hold-your-peace
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Sander's either believed what he was telling us or he didn't. To go silent all of a sudden is really bad optics. If he backs this incompetent and corrupt woman in the end, what was the point of his 'revolution'? To in the end aid in the election of everything he said is wrong with government in this country today?
For shit's sake, she lied about this 'server' thing for how long before she told the truth about it? Then she lied about the emails themselves. That's not my definition of the word 'careless'. There is NO escaping the fact that she lied until she couldn't lie anymore and then started to 'cooperate'. WTF kind of president is that? (We won't even consider things like destabilizing governments, okaying arms deals to her foundation's 'benefactors', etc. right now.)
I knew she'd skate. But I always hoped I was wrong.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
I would never ascribe
his "going silent" to be voluntary on his part...ever. Particularly now.
But that being said, we'll know in a day or two where he stands.
Who are they spinning to, though?
Little Orange Footballs is dying. They're only spinning themselves and that is fewer people every day.
Now, now
the only thing that counts is HITS, not IP addresses. All those little socks still make that cesspit money...
Another possibility
I expect to see more and more Republicans supporting Gary Johnson & Bill Weld.
http://www.iagreetosee.com/portfolio/gary-johnsons-new-ad-libertarian-ad/
Bill Weld is well liked in New England, from his days as Gov. of MA. Getting more & more media coverage around here.
Know many Bernie supporters are supporting Green party, but it has not accomplished in all their years, what Bernie did in about one year. Greens have always lacked organization, that doesn't seem to be improving now either.
Still don't think $hrillary or Trump will be the nominees.
I agree
What if... what if the tarmac meeting was to say if you agree to not put her away for the rest of her natural life, she'll agree to withdraw from the race. Naw. That can't be it. She'd absolutely think she would get away with it, they'd make threats before they'd attempt to make a deal.
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
Nice idea though
Careless with handling top secret materials
is no recommendation for POTUS, is it?
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I guess that's true, just imagine
if HRC's security bodyguards' security clearances would be handled as lax as Hillary Clinton's email server's security. I can't quite believe that she would agree to that once she becomes POTUS, even if there were no bad intentions behind such a potential neglect.
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Not a surprise
The FBI didn't want to make a decision that would be political by nature.
It would had to have been something really blatant for them to recommend an indictment. And even then the DOJ would have never indicted.
Then you can never investigate a politician?
How would the fbi ever be able to investigate a politician if that is the standard? Or even a high level government appointee?
Politics is infused in the food we eat, the air we breath, and in our government from the local dog catcher to the presidency.
Wow. Just wow.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Correct
You can never investigate a politician. Unless they are the wrong politician, of course.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
The FBI has always had as one of its charges the protection
of capitalism, those who control the economy, and using its investigative prowess to coerce politicians who stray from the right wing view of the world.
The FBI found time to harass Buffy Sainte-Marrie, for instance, and other entertainers not toeing the prescribed line, just as the FBI found the time and money to investigate the song "Louie Louie" as Dave Marsh related in his book.
The FBI intimidated Martin Luther King, Jr, among others fighting for equality and a fair and free vote. (The list is very long on the agency's misuse of its authority.)
"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"
Entertainers and activists are NOT candidates for POTUS
So I don't know, I'm not really seeing anything normal about any of this.
8 instances of
Top Secret information on her servers is pretty damning. Any ordinary intelligence analyst would be nailed to the wall for same. Clearances would be stripped, and the person would never hold one again. They would be fired and possibly prosecuted.
“Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” - John Steinbeck
That's true for poor people
Hillary isn't a little person.
Little people.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
Little fish.
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Occupy Libtards? Lol /nt
No surprise..
If even the low-level flunkies in the financial sector who participated in the massive, industrial scale fraud that crashed the economy and vaporized trillions in wealth were allowed to get off scot-free without so much as a wrist slap, how can anyone realistically expect that someone as high up on the food chain as Hillary Clinton would be held to account for her malfeasance?
This all brings to mind a memorable quote from Clarence Darrow: First and last, it's a question of money. Those men who own the earth make the laws to protect what they have. They fix up a sort of fence or pen around what they have, and they fix the law so the fellow on the outside cannot get in. The laws are really organized for the protection of the men who rule the world. They were never organized or enforced to do justice. We have no system for doing justice, not the slightest in the world.
inactive account
unfortunately the justifications for future bullshit legal inter
pretation is always based on the acceptance of past bullshit legal interpretation.
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That's the exact problem.
So in the meantime, who wants to start an FBI resignation pool? I give Comey 30 days, he'll be out, if not sooner.
I think he'll be out and fall upwards to moneyland
"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"
Nah
If he was in it for money, he would have looked a lot happier than he did today.
Sigh
Just another day, business as usual in the Corporate States of Oligarchia.
So long, and thanks for all the fish
Fuck it all. TPP, Keystone, eternal war, here we come!
I knew it would turn out this way. It's just hard finally hearing she got away with something else. And Comey didn't even scratch her surface. He just gave her a rap on the knuckles. And just like her impeached, disbarred, morally bankrupt hubby, she can now go on to the Oval Office, serve her two terms for the benefit of TPTB, continue to effect national policy and grift and use poor people for a piggy bank for the rest of her life.
Just crown the miserable creature and get it over with.
EDIT: ware/war
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
No way she serves two terms, she's too toxic n/t
I'd rather learn from one bird how to sing than teach ten thousand stars how not to dance. - e.e.cummings
Don't worry
Eternal war, like eternal economic growth is impossible. They'll eventually run out of volunteers and materiel to fuel their wars.
Of course they'll run out of 'volunteers'. Hence...
Senate approves women registering for the draft
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The Pentagon recently dropped barriers to female service members participating in combat roles, a move that raised the issue of whether women should be included in the draft were it to be reinstated.
And at the beginning of February, the commandant of the Marine Corps, Gen. Robert Neller, and the chief of staff of the Army, Gen. Mark Milley, voiced their support for the inclusion of women in the Selective Service now that all military positions, including combat roles, have been opened to women. The U.S. Marine Corps had opposed the opening of certain combat specializations to women.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/15/politics/senate-approves-women-draft/
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But you will never see Sasha or Malia or Charlotte or any of the Cruz girls on the front lines. We who saw how the draft was run during Vietnam know how it REALLY works. Money walks. Poor kids are cannon fodder or forced to flee their own country for life.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
I honestly don't think the military wants the draft back.
There was a soldiers revolt in Viet Nam and there was 600 documented instances of fragging. (Who knows how many real instances there were given the military's penchant for covering up and lying.)
"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"
The "all volunteer" army
There is no question that the mercenary army makes it much easier to go to war and stay at war. Politicians love it. Spending more money on advanced weapons systems instead of troops is also popular with the military industrial complex. And so many activities formerly carried out by soldiers are now privatized--more good money to be made from the taxes we pay. I don't see the draft coming back anytime soon either.
As long as money can be diverted from citizens' needs to the
military, the mercenary scenario will prevail. Also, I don't think the mercenaries get all the benefits soldiers do like education and socialized medical care through the VA system. The officer corps doesn't want draftees who all too often ask questions and think for themselves.
"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"
What is 'socialized medical care through the VA'?
Sorry, couldn't resist being snarky.
There won't be a draft
I should have said "volunteers" with quotes because I was thinking the poverty draft would come to an end if we had another big war. And IMHO the poverty draft is it - there won't be another real draft for the rest of this country (but I could be wrong - it's just my gut feeling).
The big thing will be materiel with which to fight the war. You can have as large of an army as you like, but without vehicles, fuel, ammunition, weapons, and such they will all be sitting in a field with their thumbs up their asses collecting their pay.
Good grief.
We have a new legal defense.
Thanks, Obama.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Well, that was predictable
Not that I ever really thought the outcome would be otherwise.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
Comey should have just gone whole hog.
He should have done the presser yesterday. On the Fourth of July. Happy Birthday, Uncle Sam! The rich and powerful are still immune from prosecution. Same as it ever was.
If I was calling the shots for Trump, I swear that I would make this the cornerstone of his campaign.
"Just call me Hillbilly Dem(exit)."
-H/T to Wavey Davey
Comey only goes after the 'little' guys using the 'law'. He
judges the 'big' guys by their 'manners'. Clinton was 'careless'. Snowden is a 'traitor'.
Hillary actually did break some rules. Snowden squealed on the biggest rule breakers of all. See how it all works?
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
Agree. Trust is already
an issue and her strongest negative. He's going to pound her like a hammer on it. BTW, I heard part of a speech today HRC made at the NEA (shills)convention. Instead of talking ed policy she was slamming the Donald. This will be an awful campaign.
I wish
I could still assume he really wants the job.
But if he's smart and he really wants the job, he can wipe the floor with her over this.
What about the second investigation?
There were two separate cases and investigations. The email issue - which they are not going to indict. But there's also the foundation:
Are both cases settled?
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
I wondered that as well
perhaps this is part of the GOP long game. The Foundation prosecution ase will be the October Surprise, and by then, we'll all be looking at Little Eddie Munster on the top of the ticket on the Right, if the Thugs are stupid enough to dump Trump.
Nobody (in power) gives a damn. Crime pays.
Oh how very, VERY well it pays.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
I would think both cases
I would think both cases INTERSECT. There has to be email evidence of the kind of treasonous collusion she was up to as SoS.
Hence the thousands of erased emails
The cases did intersect, but the intersection has been covered up.
Hence the thousands of erased emails
The cases did intersect, but the intersection has been covered up.
RICO into the Clinton Foundation
was always a second investigation. And that may be the stronger case. Very depressed fingers crossed. I can't get out of this country.
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Sorry but same outcome- you know the truth
A lot of wrong doing but no charges because why would they hurt their elite class members. This system is broken except for the elites. WE THE PEOPLE need to break the cycle of insanity and vote all these bums out.
How can we?
How can we "vote the bums out" when they literally control the voting machines?
What about all the arms deals
What about all the arms deals that were made while she was SOS? The investigation is over? So much money funneled into the Clinton Foundation and nothing happens? Why aren't we in the streets protesting?
Too many unanswered questions
who has a transcript of the presser after Comey's statement? I would be shocked if some stenographer actually asked him.
Copies handed out as he left the room
Supposedly was going to take questions, guess they decided that was not a good idea.
Can we PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE stop referring to "emails" - and call them what they are:
GOVERNMENT DOCUMENTS
She was RECKLESS and extremely CARELESS in handling GOVERNMENT DOCUMENTS as SOS, and she still wants to be POTUS.
Bernie or Bust.
Correct, Caerus.
It's all about the framing. Mishandling state secrets, classified documents=BAD. Mishandling emails? Emails are cat pictures, funny jokes, reminders about family events, wedding plans, etc. All of us have "mishandled" emails. State secrets, classified documents? Not so much. Gotta hand it to 'em. Great framing. Just the outcome they wanted from the FBI's "security inquiry"...no criminal charges and something the campaign can work with/spin.
"Just call me Hillbilly Dem(exit)."
-H/T to Wavey Davey
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