Wall Street hates Warren more than they like Clinton
This was on HuffPost this morning, but by 6pm it was gone gone gone. I found it on Politico by Googling for "clinton backers reject warren"
“If Clinton picked Warren, her whole base on Wall Street would leave her,” said one top Democratic donor who has helped raise millions for Clinton. “They would literally just say, ‘We have no qualms with you moving left, we understand all the things you’ve had to do because of Bernie Sanders, but if you are going there with Warren, we just can’t trust you, you’ve killed it.’”
Funny, I didn't think there was anything she could do to make them think they couldn't trust her. "Moving left" wouldn't do it. They apparently know better than most voters, or at least most Democrats, that moving left will last only as long as it needs to.
By the way, the most-favored for VP, of those mentioned as being favored by big donors, would seem to be Senator Tim Kaine of Virginia. Pro-business, check. Pro-military, check. Swing state, check.
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Where else are they going to go?
They are not going to support Drumpf because he's batshit crazy as they well know. HRC could choose a pig for VP, but is so far in the bag for Wall Street it wouldn't matter. IMO she needs Warren more than Kaine to try and pick up some support from wavering Bernie young people. But that's just my opinion.
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agreed
that's why I am suprised they object to anything floated from the Clinton campaign, because they know that in the end they will get what they really want
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They can't help themselves, can they?
It's not enough that Hillary is a completely owned subsidiary of Wall Street, but the tender sensibilities in the big corner offices can't even bear to hear her pander to the left wing of the party. They have to publicly jerk her leash and show that she has to kowtow to them.
It's not like Hillary would have chosen Warren anyway. Tim Kaine is way more her speed. But Wall Street gazillionaires want to take credit for her not choosing Warren. It's nice of them to make things so transparently obvious.
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If Warren
decides to run with the money machine, and that's what it is, she's as good as dead to me and many other undecideds.
Game on Elizabeth. Show your true colors.
Or are you bought?
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Well it makes for a good headline anyway. nt
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I flat out don't believe that one bit.
It is rather to hard to believe, isn't it?
That anything could come between them and their H?
Maybe I should have put a question mark after the title, or said "A story in Politico claims ...".
I believe the Tim Kaine part though.
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Or did you mean that they actually like Warren for VP?
That's an interesting possibiity. Would they be thinking they could isolate and neutralize her as VP? Or something else?
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The office of VP is oft times viewed as quite neutralizing
all on its lonesome. And it would take her out of the senate, where she has been an advocate for curtailing Wall Street's privileges; g_d knows who or what would replace her there, an R or a less inequality focused D? Either way, it would be something of a loss.
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No, but that is an interesting thought. Warren is rendered less
powerful as VP.
If Warren *IS* picked as V.P. by Hillary,
it would only go to show that Wall Street didn't give a shit about her being Veep. This story was put out so that if Hillary picks Warren, she could say "I'm in the bag for Wall Street, eh? So why did I pick Wall Street's nemesis, Elizabeth Warren? This proves" that I'm not in their pockets." When all the while, she still is theirs and forever will be.
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There Is No Way I Will Vote For HRC
it doesn't matter who she chooses as her vp, and that includes Elizabeth Warren or even Bernie himself.
Kaine has less charisma than She does
He turned a couple of elections that should have been easy walkovers into squeakers. If She picks him for VP, he won't help Her any.
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Also, the idea that VA is a swing state is dubious.
Jim Webb, who got no traction as a presidential candidate, had to essentially run to the right of Hitler to defeat George "Macaca" Allen in his Senate run. And the state legislature is the typical Rethug cesspool.
I spent several years in the Shenandoah Valley and the Tidewater areas, and I've never seen such a bunch of right wing racists. Not sure about the DC area, but calling it a swing state is a real stretch. So no, Kaine won't help her a bit as VP.
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Webb didn't "have to", it's where he normally is
But Allen was much further right than that, and an obnoxious asshole on top of it. And people still hadn't forgiven him for shredding the state's economy as Governor.
NoVa, close in to DC, is becoming almost-reliably Blue, and there are isolated spots farther out (Winchester, for instance, is faintly purply-blue in a sea of red - I think it's Shenandoah University that does it). But most of the rest of the state is still Gooberland.
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I wondered about that.
One of my Thanksgiving uncles lives in Pulaski and he seems to have a lot of friends.
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I've been hesitant to remind people the Warren signed that
letter encouraging Clinton to run back in 2013. That 'Secret' Letter, no less.
The letter, organized at the urging of Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., was meant to be a private show of support from a group of 16 high-profile former colleagues and fans who are now senators, urging Clinton to do what much of the Democratic Party assumes she will, the aides said.
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Clinton
needs to build up her anti Wall St cred to get a portion of the progressive vote. Mmmm wonder how she could do that? I know - she could have word put around that they are fighting her on the hypothetical choice of a supposedly progressive VP. Now if only there was a media outlet that was designed as a place where politicians could seed stories and where they would not be fact checked in any way at all but would be published as is - Ah Politico I hear you cry.
In other words -kabuki and BS
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Exactly what I thought of
What I find surprising is how eagerly certain people, like Cenk from TYT, are buying into that. Thought Cenk was a little more cunning than that, but it could be that his irrational fear of Trump has clouded his judgement.
Cenk is really hard to work out
of all the pundits I find him the hardest to read. Saying that I think that his heart is fundamentally in the right place.
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Same
One of our greatest allies in getting clean elections, to be sure. Yet at the same time, too ready to just accept the status quo on other fronts.
Briar Patch
I had the same thoughts. It could well be Wall Street as Br'er Rabbit, saying, oh please, don't throw me in the briar patch....
The other possibility is that Wall Street is really too paranoid and too dumb to realize that Warren's self-muzzling is a crystal clear signal that she represents no real challenge to their hegemony.
I couldn't agree more...
they're manipulating the narrative to look like that if Clinton picks Warren, she's bucking Wall Street. Which sort of makes me think that a Warren pick is coming. I really hope not, becuz Warren will be effectively neutralized as VP. Hillary already said that she wanted a VP that wouldn't buck Bill on policy-- meaning that her VP will be little more than a showpiece.
I don't think
that she will pick Warren but the planted story does its job regardless of whether she does or not.
I must admit that I am amazed at how many people took this story at face value.
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I couldn't agree more...
they're manipulating the narrative to look like that if Clinton picks Warren, she's bucking Wall Street. Which sort of makes me think that a Warren pick is coming. I really hope not, becuz Warren will be effectively neutralized as VP. Hillary already said that she wanted a VP that wouldn't buck Bill on policy-- meaning that her VP will be little more than a showpiece.
Lies, More Lies, and idea planted to sway opinion...
Ooooh, look how daring Clinton is, and look how wall street buckled under and supported Clinton after she chose Warren anyway. Look how tough Clinton really is.
All of this is based on one guy's statements about what he know will happen - about one guy's conjecture…
And then Hillary sways the Warren loyalists picking up those voters while wall street snickers at the voters since Clinton can do as wshe choses in office anyway.
Blech. No thanks. I'm not buying what the circus clowns are selling.
The $hill doesn't need progressives
She gains more and more republican support everyday. She'll have the moderates and the rethugs...the hell with progressives.
They're setting up PACs for her
http://time.com/4360519/hillary-clinton-republican-pac-craig-snyder/
Coming out on the main stream for her
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/high-profile-gop-donor-meg-whitman-suppor... Republican donor
From April:
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/04/25/bombshell-poll-20-republicans-vot...
No need to mess with us troublesome lefties. After all she is a republican that leans a little to the left on a couple of social issues.
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Dubya and voted for Obama. I didn't realize at that time I was witnessing the beginning of a realignment of the parties. Now I see it clearly. When hope and change gave way to the appointment of Republicans and neoliberals to the administration, I became uneasy. When "healthcare reform" became health insurance reform the trend was becoming clear, but still I hoped. That has changed as I see this election's purpose is to cement the power of the oligarchy.
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Couple of things to add
Clinton can't afford to assume that her bank speeches won't come out. A Warren VP pick would be the strongest antidote for the ensuing outrage. Clinton would have to take the line that she only said what she said to please the bankers and didn't really mean it. I am sure there are focus groups of young voters being formed right now to analyze what a Warren VP pick would mean to Clinton's appeal. Of course, the number of Republican votes Hillary would get would drop with a Warren VP pick.
I should think they'd be quite happy
The bankers would have Warren out of the Senate, where she could continue to call them out. As VP, Warren could do and say only what Clinton would let her.