#TeamRevolution or real revolution...depends on who you ask

Let Cenk Uygur explain it:

[video:https://youtu.be/CbqoLWXNyLQ]

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The Sane Progressive says (paraphrased): #TeamRevolution...How Nike...it's a slogan. Revolution Now, not later.

[video:https://youtu.be/-Ip6lyaOIcY]

Note: She announces in this video (in case you don't watch it) that the guy who filed the lawsuit regarding the elections frauds will be on her show tomorrow (Wednesday...guess that is today now)...June 15.

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Another take on revolution:

[video:https://youtu.be/dm33Fe49wFo]

It takes courage.

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An interesting follow up:

[video:https://youtu.be/HmXYtSfLuHE]

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elenacarlena's picture

figured her out. She makes a lot of good points.

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The kind of stuff that makes you stop and think...oh, yeah.

I have a problem listening to her sometimes, but thought she did such a good job on this one that I listened to the whole thing. = )

The guy on the third video sometimes goes over the top but most often makes he some really good points if you can listen to him. His wife in the fourth video had an interesting take on what will happen with/to Trump that I had not heard before.

Interesting times.

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Speaks to what c99 is all about. Issues, not parties and not personalities. Betty and FF should listen to it.

Mike Malloy is quite the character. I get his audio podcast and he is on iTunes Radio. He's been around forever.

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points - mainly that we can't support politicians on the basis of what they SAY. They always sound good in order to get elected. In Hill's case, we know she lies, we particularly can't support her on the basis of what she says. Cenk says yes, we'll support you if you support our principles. But anyone can say they do.

I fell asleep sitting up, reading c99 on my laptop. While I was sleeping, Ginger the ginger cat took over my keyboard. The computer was going crazy when I woke up, I had to turn it off to stop it from loading new Web pages. If anyone received any weird messages from me, my apologies. It's the cat, she butt typed for I don't know how long before I woke up. Sigh.

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Or did the thought of a Clinton Presidency drive you to the bottom of a Rum bottle? Wink

(Either answer is acceptable in my opinion, lol!)

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The rocking back and forth on her butt was causing all kinds of Internet craziness. I rebooted, then hit "restore my Internet session," and a bunch of unfamiliar Web sites came up, then finally c99. So I'm pretty sure I was here last. I have no idea what I was doing at the time or what she might have butt typed. I am still concerned that she might have downloaded viruses or Trojans that will manifest later!

Which is not to say that the day won't come that I'll hit the bottom of the bottle at the prospect of a Clinton Presidency. I'm in Kentucky, though, so it has to be bourbon. This time of year, icy cold refreshing bourbon drinks!

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for tonight though is I am gonna make some Moscow Mules. Smile

Been thinking about them ever since I missed out on a deal on some Solid Copper ones with my initial for my last name on them. Smile

I really gotta get out in the shop to make some side money so I can buy useless shit every once in a while. I kinda miss that, lol!

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I've had bourbon ale, but never ginger beer. I might make the mule without that part.

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unexpected deliveries of cat treats. I wonder if the FBI has your cat on some watch list now.

Cenk knows as well as anyone else that she lies, so I cannot trust his judgement on this one.

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mischievouses. She's a purrorist, all right. She doesn't like to leave home, though, so it'll be okay with her if she's on the no-fly list.

It's hard, when you've been working your rump off for decades to change the Dem party, to say eff it, let's go independent. But we're getting there.

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a few more million on board to have a party. Maybe a new door-to-door campaign?

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Phone bank, door to door, Facebook, write, twitter, reddit, GOTV, donate, etc., etc.

He has 45% of the Dems and we'd have to make sure they don't defect. Then he has a majority of Indies. He has Repubs for Bernie, people who want anti-establishment but not Trump. He has the disaffected voters from 2014 who stayed home because there's too little difference between Repub and Repub Lite. Then he has all the new voters we can register between now and November.

I won't go into a third party as a spoiler. We have to be in it to win it. That means more than 50% of electoral votes to Bernie, or it goes to the Republican Congress. It means IF Bern isn't the nom in July and agrees to a third party run, then we work our rumps off. Four more months.

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I was thinking in terms of the revolution. We need at least one more party. Door-to-door education of the citizenry was what I had in mind. The majority of people still get their news from TV. Most people on the Internet do not do research on topics but just accept what their preferred source tells them. It is time to show them what they are not seeing.

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for a longer term plan, what about concentrating on fundraising, then buying TV time - raise awareness of issues by buying ads during the major network news programs? Would that reach the biggest audience?

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How about fundraising and paying for flyers and people to pass them out? In areas where it is not feasible to do door-to-door, then snail mail flyers. Say one (or even more) a week on various topics that concern citizens of all stripes (e.g., the true unemployment rates) and what it means for them. Make it personal. Make them easily digestible. Make them graphically appealing. Marketing 101.

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air time! It would take a LOT of people to reach door to door! Snail mail won't work, I don't think - most will throw away without reading. Although I would rather support the PO than the MSM.

I canvassed for Bernie, most people were not home. Went back repeatedly, kept a log. Still didn't find everybody. Do most people just refuse to answer the door if they see a stranger? Nobody yelled at me to go away, at least!

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the precepts of allowing public service announcements (PSA) would agree that calling for revolution fit their guidelines. Besides, if they did run the ads, they would put them on at the least favorable time. So how many people are reached that way?

I specified using flyers on a door-to-door basis, not stopping for a chat, so people being home is moot. Keep in mind that marketers are still using this method so it apparently works for them. If the capitalist are making a profit off flyers and snail mail, then somebody is reading this stuff and performing in a manner that benefits the product being marketed.

There is also the factor that just like Mabel might tell John that milk is on sale at such-and-such market based on mail she got, she may also mention that the cost of this week's war would have been enough to rebuild her neighborhood school and provide quality teachers. Like I said, make it personal. It gets people thinking about things they won't normally see mentioned.

Using capitalist marketing strategies will work. Besides, it has a rather ironic flavor to it. = )

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it to promotion of a candidate, since I don't think they ever had to present both sides of an issue otherwise.

To me, going door to door means knocking on the door. But okay, leave the flyer. Much less labor intensive, for sure. Or snail mail.

Problem is, average response rate is about 1-2%! http://www.mccarthyandking.com/direct-marketing-tutorials/learning-direc... and http://paperjay.com/2014/05/how-many-flyers-do-you-need/

We're trying to move at least half the population. Businesses don't need to do that to be successful. While I do think we'd get some conversation started and I am a big fan of irony, I think we will need to do substantially more.

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approximately 25 million who voted in the Democratic primary alone that would be half a million responses. How is that not a good start? There will also be a ripple effect with this type of flyer also so that one person who is responsive will tell another who will tell another, so the number of people who could be reached using this one simple method could be exponential.

Targeted marketing could also improve that rate. What are the major concerns of a particular area? Target those specific concerns. Each flyer will need to include relevant resources that are not MSM to educate people in other ways to look for facts that effect them.

Flyers with vouchers or coupons get a significantly higher response rate--around 4-8% so figuring out how and what kind of voucher to add would make a huge difference. A voucher could be for something as simple as an eBook that explains how someone can make a change in the targeted issue or a free teleconference.

Yes, more will be needed, but this is a low key effort that will be relatively inexpensive with a decent rate of return. flyers can also be handed out and discussed at booths at local events or even a table set up outside of a local place that gets a lot of traffic. Hell, sell candy bars (or something a bit healthier) at the same time to promote justice, freedom, equality, etc. (not to mention fund the activities).

Change comes from the bottom up, so getting the bottom educated on issues and where to find information is a start.

By the way, this is similar to how our country disseminated information (and it was effective) before telephones and the Internet, so going really grassroots here. = )

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First, to use the hackneyed formula, there is much more that unites Cenk and Debbie than divides them.

I think we're all at a point where we think, what's next? For many (most?) of us, we at least know we're not falling in line to vote Hillary in the fall.

The same thing caught my ear in Cenk's video that caught Debbie's: at 3:22, Cenk talks about Hillary "at this point" not offering real change. The implication (intended or no) is that at some later point Hillary could convincingly make the case to progressives and Bernie voters that she is for real change. But Debbie is so right. Hillary is who she is. Her word is worth nothing. She lies. She lies easily and often. Her surrogates are even worse, and that reflects back on her. Her actual record is crystal clear. She could go out and repeat Bernie's stump speech verbatim, but it wouldn't mean a thing. So, as Debbie says, that ship has sailed. The idea that Hillary could genuinely, honestly, and truly transform herself in a flash of lightning into a progressive warrior is a fantasy, a dangerous fantasy. I don't think Cenk is naive enough to be won over in the end by a lefty-sounding speech from Hillary, but that means we don't need to play the influence-the-corrupt-nominee game any more.

I find myself in the same place as Debbie. You have to play hardball, and contest the phony primary election "process" (or whatever that was). If Bernie can't get the nomination, then we're not falling in line. For me, it would be Jill Stein. I think she could grow and evolve as a candidate much more convincingly than Hillary, that's for sure.

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in case, as the process proceeds, we see we're not getting organized and it looks like a complete election fail so Hill becomes our best hope (ugh), before we go third party I think we need to push as hard as possible at the convention. Have a seriously progressive platform that is what the Dems are supposed to be about. It gives us principles as a basis for protest during her Presidency. Maybe she'll even make the mistake of giving a rousing speech about how wonderful the new Dem party platform is. We won't entirely be able to hold her to it. But we can press hard.

We have time before then, though, absolutely, to fight the vote counts in every state we lost. That's priority one.

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HRC and hope in the same sentence (other than this one). Hope would entail getting a progressive Democratic paltform in the event that Sanders wins the nomination. Otherwise it is not worth the copy paper it is printed on.

I do NOT care what happens, IF HRC is the nominee, I will NOT vote for her. Period. And I am certainly not going to listen to any speech she makes.

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come to that. Go, lawsuit!

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haven't watched a great many of his videos yet. What I have heard has been quite interesting, though.

Cenk has used all rationalizations in his arguments which is good up to a point. I am not sure it will be enough. Sane Progressive, I think, hit most of the reasons why not.

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I used to hear him on Air America. Did a search, but it showed his last podcast in 2015. Is he still doing them?

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And the Democratic party can't be fixed.
We need a new political system and we need an accounting for the crimes and misdeeds the oligarchy has committed.
I think those that go down this road of reform are going to be sorely disappointed.

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videos share that view, as do I. Yes, we can make efforts in the direction Cenk suggests, but we need to be planning and initiating the changes to be made more in keeping with the other speakers. Cenk has several times now shown that he is willing to fold, so I take him with a grain of salt nowadays.

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Ya, like that. That's why I'm railing on these efforts to reform the democratic party and the issues lists with fifteen bucks an hour and expanded medicare. We need much more than that and it is time for a cleansing. The systems and power are so entrenched that trying to reform them is just not going to happen. We'll get endless "Dodd-Frank" bullshit from our Congress while we wait for the next election and the next one after that.
We can't achieve what we really need if we don't demand it.

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A power base (leverage) has to built outside of the current system. Only then can we attempt to take over the system. Attempting it from the inside is putting the cart before the horse.

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eventually become equally corrupted or do we tear down the system and build something with checks and balances that actually work? I do not see how it is possible to keep a system balanced in a two-party system. It is the old black-white, good-bad, true-false dichotomy that only serves to keep the people in check, not the system.

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has there ever been a case of an entrenched system that corrected itself? That reformed itself from within? Right off hand, I cannot think of one...maybe with some time, lots of time, I can, but not now. If anyone has a good example, I would really like to see it.

The Sane Progressive's point of waiting for elections to make the corrections when it has been proven that the elections are stolen is a very strong indicator that the wait and see game is not going to work.

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I know that Bernie has said repeatedly from the stump that significant change never occurs from the top-down, but rather it propagates from the bottom-up, but there is [at least] one glaring exception we can point to in political history.

Contrary to what everyone expected/predicted re: the collapse of the old-style Soviet Union, when change came, it was from the top-down and not from the bottom-up.

It was the Communist Party's Central Committee that chose Mikhail Gorbachev as the CP leader. They wanted reform and they wanted to avoid nuclear war and they believed Gorbachev had the kind of 'authentic' personality that might enable him to lessen nuclear tensions via personal encounters with America's nut-case President, Ronald Reagan.

Fortunately for the world, they were right. And yes, the CP leadership was actually willing to take the risk of losing their monopoly control over the country's political power, which was a ringing testament to the fact that they were not the power-obsessed dictators bent on world conquest that they were frequently made out to be by Reagan.

Lucky for us all that MG surfaced when he did. Reagan deserves no credit whatsoever for ending The Cold War. It ended in spite of him and his deranged fantasies re: Armageddon on the horizon.

I'm not sure that there's ever been another such extraordinary example of profound change occurring from the top-down, but it does prove that Bernie was only 'mostly right' when he observed that significant change almost always is ushered in by pressure exerted from the bottom-up.
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was not an achievement that can be attributed to Reagan. Cannot call it an end when HRC is determined to get it going again.

With Gorbachev, though, a few details are missing about how he got the top to make changes. As he moved up within the Communist Party, he replaced a lot of the old guard with younger people with whom he could form a consensus. This, I think, would be the equivalent of replacing the current Congress with those more in line with change. When he became the leader, he replaced even more people.

Meanwhile, due to economic and other issues, the people had begun to call for greater independence and numerous demonstrations and riots broke out. While Gorbachev deserves huge amounts of gratitude for the reforms he instituted, the changes were not strictly from the top down as he began building his coalition during his rise to the top and the people were in revolutionary mode well before the changes were made that brought about the dissolution of the USSR. it would be more like he capitulated to the people's will even though for the most part he appears to have agreed with it.

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Meanwhile, due to economic and other issues, the people had begun to call for greater independence and numerous demonstrations and riots broke out

I can't say I recall hearing about demonstrations and strikes occurring in Russia (Poland, yeah, but not Russia). I would think that they would have been headline fodder in this country.

Surely when change from the top-down occurs (and you might want to include some of Britain's revolutionary changes---replacing the King's power with Parliament's---occurred from the top-down) it arises from the ruling class's recognition that the middle/lower classes are getting restless. The fact that they set out to 'address the concerns' is an effort to get out in front of the issue and take credit for their efforts in the name of the people.

I always have to give the leadership class credit when they realize that they can do good things for the peasants that won't actually harm them in any way and will indeed make them more secure/popular. It's rare, but it does happen and it always involves a lot less blood.

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even if they try to make it look like they did. They move over in order to survive and in the hopes of regaining power.

I am not denying that Gorbachev had a great effect as the policies that he put in place allowed the revolution to fully flower. However, the seeds and offshoots were already there.

The Communist bloc had massive riots during the period before the break up, some due to food shortages but most for reforms. This article gives a good break down of some: Revolutions of 1989

From the linked article:

As the Soviet Union rapidly withdrew its forces from Central and Southeast Europe, the spillover from the 1989 upheavals began reverberating throughout the Soviet Union itself. Agitation for self-determination led to first Lithuania, and then Estonia, Latvia and Armenia declaring independence. However, the Soviet central government demanded the revocation of the declarations and threatened military action and economic sanctions. The government even went as far as controversially sending Red Army troops to the streets of the Lithuanian capital, Vilnius, to suppress the separatist movements in January 1991, causing the deaths of 14 people.

Disaffection in other Soviet republics, such as Georgia and Azerbaijan, was countered by promises of greater decentralization. More open elections led to the election of candidates opposed to Communist Party rule.

Glasnost had inadvertently released the long-suppressed national sentiments of all peoples within the borders of the multinational Soviet state. These nationalist movements were further strengthened by the rapid deterioration of the Soviet economy, whose ramshackle foundations were exposed with the removal of Communist discipline. Gorbachev's reforms had failed to improve the economy, with the old Soviet command structure completely breaking down. One by one, the constituent republics created their own economic systems and voted to subordinate Soviet laws to local laws.

What Gorbachev accomplished with glasnost and perestroika was to loosen the noose. What is happening in the US currently is a tightening of the noose.

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I like Cenk's idea. The revolution can be carried forward based on issues. It requires everyone to become a citizen lobbyist, something most people are unfamiliar with. It requires a coordinated effort to bring public pressure on elected officials to enact good policies. That's entirely realistic, it just hasn't been done in a long time, so most voters aren't familiar with how successful it can be.

Social media makes it much easier to do. A good example is the pressure brought to bear on behalf of net neutrality. Obama made everyone think they had no power over government once elections were over. Wrong. Power is there to be exercised every day, make them change, make them do what we want. The news media seldom reports on Congressional activity, for a reason. Social media should reconnect people with those processes and put them in their MOC's office, right in the chair next to the lobbyists.

As for the Sane Progressive, there are good reasons to pursue election fraud, but it's a very slow moving process. The legal battle will take months, if not years. It's definitely worth following, but not to the exclusion of other activities.

Mike Molloy - haven't seen him in years. OMG, he has white hair now. Oops, so do I. When did we all get old? So good to see so many familiar faces out here still fighting the good fight. This is like a homecoming for the old leftists. I'm still open to his idea of not voting to send a message. I hope Establishment Dems don't push us that far, but I'm keeping it on the table as an option.

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be middle aged--at the time was close to 40. He said that baby boomers would probably redefine middle age. So while we might have white hair, we are not old. = )

I disagree with the not voting. I think there needs to be a massive turnout with NO ONE voting for the presidential candidates put forward by the Democrats (unless somehow Sanders gets the nomination) or the Republicans. Vote, Green, other third party, do write ins, whatever, but stand up and say "Yes, we are here." Not voting tells them they have won the war against democracy.

Social media is a great tool which is why, particularly if HRC is elected, that it will be regulated just like much of free speech has been regulated over the past 20 or so years. It won't be of much use if the only thing we can post is cat pictures.

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the queen. Sent "unsubscribe" notes to all the Dem candidates in my email. I'd kinda like to send more contributions the progressives Bernie has supported, but, no. No more involvement with either major party for me. At some point, the painful choices have to be made and reinforced. I don't hear Cenk throwing his support to Hillary in that clip, he's just sending the message that voters shouldn't let themselves be take for granted and that political parties are not justified in making assumptions. People need to vote for who they think is the best choice and make that choice stick to their hope-y/change-y promises, and not doing that has resulted in the mess we have now. Anyone who would believe promises from Hillary Clinton and would actually switch to supporting her is not going to have an audience for their progressive internet show.

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that people need to vote for HRC cuz Trump scary. So, while he knows she lies and knows that she will not do anything progressive and knows she will get us into more wars and knows she will not do anything about climate change, he chooses to tell his audience that they should vote for her. While not a ringing endorsement, it is support.

Jimmy Dore energetically disagrees with him. I believe that Ana (sp?) does now also. She said the Nevada convention sealed it for her.

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Dr. Stein has invited Bernie to be on a ticket w/ her (she says she'll slide to VP). I've emailed his campaign to ask him to take her up. Their convention is Aug. 7, so it'll be after Dem convention.

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Debbie's video is the one that's raised many of the concerns I've had as well. I don't think that Bernie's meeting with Hillary would have made anything clearer for him. As Debbie has stated, "she lies, look at the OIG report". Hell, Hill's lied repeatedly to Obama, so why would she suddenly tell Bernie the truth? You'd think that Bernie would be more "burned" about having the primary stolen from him. That's what's made me so uneasy since last week.

I think that Bernie and his advisors didn't think beyond winning "big" last Tuesday and taking his case for getting the nom before the superdelegates at the convention. Bern and his team don't seem to have a real Plan B beyond Plan A. Perhaps he doesn't recognize that this is war? Hill, Obama, Biden, Schumer, Reid and maybe even Warren planned the preemptive strike against Bernie last week and he looks like a deer caught in the headlights. He should have anticipated dirty tricks to derail his campaign because they've been playing them ever since he started winning. He's also been giving away his game plan to Dems for months, giving them enough time and information to subvert him.

If by some miracle he doesn't go all kumbayah with Hillary and the DNC and decides to run third party with Jill and stage huge protests in Philadelphia, I would like to see him consult with French labor protest leaders on tactics. The French know a thing or two about taking back power from elites for the people.

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are not seeing. He is a pretty smart fella and he knows HRC and he knows what happened with the votes. Maybe he knows a lot more. Maybe her gave her 48 hours (Tuesday to Thursday) to step out of the race or he would spill the beans. She actually cancelled a fundraiser the other day. Who knows? I will wait to see what he has to say.

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about Bernie potentially running as a third-party between Paul Jay and Abby Martin here:
Abby Martin and Paul Jay - Should Sanders Run for a Third Party?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rj_-OJDicmQ

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thank you for sharing it (especially since I did not, beforehand, know anything about Abby Martin or Empire Files-- Great find!).
I thought Paul Jay had an interesting take on how Hillary- and the Dem party- would become the face of corporate corruption and wars abroad (in the event of her winning the election) and therefore the Revolution would flourish better than in the case of a Trump win, wherein the Repubs would become the face of villainy and the Dem party would still be perceived as 'fighting the good fight.'
Martin made the point that that is not what happened under Obama, but I think two things about that: 1. I think it took many years of only-lightly-engaged Americans to realize what was going on (and not being done) under Obama-- they had to see a pattern before starting to make serious critique. 2. The right-wing criticism of Obama from out-of-the-gate was overt racism, beyond a doubt. (Most of it still is, I believe, because they're sure not tagging him on Wall St. cronyism) So it became difficult to make substantial criticisms w/out being accused of being a right winger.
But I agree, ultimately, w/ Martin-- that Bernie should run Green and, if not win, make the strongest showing of a third party candidate ever in U.S. history. I think a lot of Americans who feel helpless and hopeless might become more engaged. Plus I think he'd have a real shot.

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Paul Jay is actually interviewing himself, not letting Abby Martin get a word in edgewise. Pulling a Charlie Rose. Actually interrupting and arguing with Martin after asking her a question. Plus, he's an uninformed idiot.

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