Alpha's Primary Election Live Blog for New Jersey, California etc.
Well, this is the big one!
Despite the DNC & the media's best attempts to shut down the Sanders campaign here it is, June 7th and we are still trucking on towards the convention!!!
I will be posting election return results as they come in as well as watching and commenting on the live stream of The Young Turks election coverage.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfH6El-CvTM]
Also, I will link the Guardian's live results link here so we can watch Mini-Bernie color in the maps, provided they even have it up with Hillary already having "Won". (Hopefully we don't have to see to much Clinton, I find even the mini version annoying... )
I hope you guys join me for my last live blog until possibly the convention! I was a bit worried about even being up since there was supposed to be a tropical storm coming through but so far just some high winds and lots of lighting and rain.
But I knew I was in for this when I moved to Florida in the first place. 
See you at 6 EST!
Comments
Where do you live?
I'm in O-ville, hence the orl in orlbucfan. Rec'd!
Inner and Outer Space: the Final Frontiers.
Cape Coral, across the river from Fort Myers.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
sort of know where that is
my Florida experience is pretty minimal. Born in NYC, grew up first in Queens, then northern NJ. We had a vacation a long, long time ago in Miami. The big records on the jukebox were "Dream, Dream, Dream", "Sugartime" and "Honeycomb" so that should probably date it closely...'58? '59?
When my folks retired they moved to Fort Myers. We visited them many years back, spent a lot of time on Sanibel. Never did find any sidewalks but we did have to run from an alligator.
It's funny about the sidewalks...
When I first moved here it was one of the first things I noticed and I thought it was odd. Right up until I tried to walk someplace.
It's too hot for that shit!
Any walking I do is reserved for on the beach itself where I can jump into the water when it gets too hot.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Cape Coral.
That southwest part of the state is one of my favorite places. Port Charlotte-Punta Gorda are way cool. Anywho, will be following your comment stream. C-Span starts their coverage at 9 EDT tonight. Recd!
Inner and Outer Space: the Final Frontiers.
Thanks for the rec and for joining us! Hope you have a good time
these tend to be fun, relaxed and sometimes silly.
Particularly the later it gets and the lower the bottle's level.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
AP announcement - proof it was planned?
Someone with much more techy skills than I have
https://twitter.com/Cold_Stare/status/740039202541211648/video/1
does this prove the AP announcement was planned way in advance???
Thanks for this thread...
makes no sense to me..
Is she accusing Jill Stein of being in cahoots with AP and responsible for last night proclamation? I don't see anything to identify who or when the tweet was done. Do you?
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Yeah, I am not sure I get that either, it shows AP says...
I have no idea wtf that is about without more context.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Source before the link I first posted
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/06/wow-hillary-clinton-caught-collu...
We sort of looking for a condo down there
some place between Sarasota and Naples - I know that's a large space. Walkability is important.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Buy or rent? PM me, I actually do Real Estate since I retired :)
I can probably help you out or point you in the right direction at least.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Ah, Fort Myers
My mother lives there. I used to live there, back in the 80s and early 90s, before the residential sprawl took off like a bat out of hell. Finished high school there; used to enjoy trips out to Captiva. Beaches were nice, but other than that, it wasn't particularly interesting for a young person back then to live there. Hope you weren't affected by the real estate crash--Cape Coral was like ground zero for that.
Let's go, voters, let's go!
*Clap Clap*
Bernie, Bernie, he's our man.
If he can't do it, we're screwed.
gonna be a weird night. Shaz actually bought popcorn!
so that's pretty exciting.
This morning I imagined myself in November, with my ballot in front of me. I thought of how awful Trump is and what a horrible place America would be with him as President. I imagined looking at the ballot with his name there, then looking at Hillary's. And I thought (and I'm sure I will think) "no, I will not vote for her". Should she get the nomination she'll have to figure out how to win the election without me....without us.
Anyway, looking for the West Coast Sweep tonight!
I've got Pop-Corn, Bourbon & Greens. I am prepared for tonight!
With the good company of my C99P Peeps it should be fun.
Looking forward to a Sanders win in CA hopefully, but I am not as optimistic about Jersey. My home state is known for it's corruption so it is only natural that it would gravitate towards the Clintons.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Agreed, NJ is the king/queen of corruption.
Not only gravitate towards the Clintons but vote for Christie twice with the help of endorsements from over 40 "Democratic" elected officials.
People "say" get involved in local politics. Yeah, sure, but they don't know what an impossible venture that is when the system is so rigged with hundreds of millions of dollars here in NJ againt the 99%ers.
Eff you every single one of you Norcross'.
Yup, NJ is always for sale or more accurately, for rent
Sea Turtle
bloody marys
and a bong, here.
and by the way, first sweet corn of the year came out of the oven earlier.
CORN.
GIANT ALL-CAPS SIG
corn... my greens are slow this year
It has been a cool start, a late spring, but could be worse. We have rain, and it is far better to sleep in 50 degrees than 80!! Jealous of the corn, and will rely on the onie as I can't justify the bong with an 18 YO at home (who is all to wise to that world)... he is all in for Bernie, but falling to the fear mongering for the Nov. general election. I'll be working on him!
If you have to be descrete I can't recommend the Pax 2 highly
enough. (Yes, this time the pun was intended, lol!)
It is a great unit, I can even use it in public and because it smells so different than burnt nobody that doesn't already know would know what it was.
It is a bit pricey (It helps to have a rich Aunt buy you one.
) and at first I was dubious, but man, it is efficient. It uses so much less material that it will probably pay for itself in a month or two and comes with a 10 year warranty.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
The late Bartcop (Dem blogger Terry Coppage of Tulsa, Oklahoma)
each year eagerly awaited the day when sweet corn from Bixby would go on sale.
TYT link is up, still waiting on the guardian one.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
"We won't accept it" Interesting article on the Guardian
about CA voters and the AP proclamation.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Thanks for setting this up!
Heading home now with a quick stop to pick up refreshments... and chocolate. May need chocolate. Will be logging on then. Not sure I can stomach the networks tonight. See y'all soon.
"Intelligence is the ability to adapt to change." Stephen Hawking
NEW: http://www.twitter.com/trueblueinwdc
I hear that, I am not giving the networks a minute of my viewing
time.
Screw them and their ratings.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
And do not believe anything they say
From here on out, all MSM is toast.
Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.
I've been waiting all day to hear Cenk go off on the AP
calling the election, and boy is he ever!
He is righteously pissed.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
I hope I can get in this evening
You are too popular. --
Oh no! Server lagging again? I haven't noticed any problems
so far today.
Lets keep our fingers crossed.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
I'm watching TNT on another computer directly through
youtube, and no lag from TYT, but they do take breaks... if that's what you're talking about.
Yeah, I have to wait up to a minute after I click
a link in order for it to go through.
Yeah, that happens sometimes due to the constant refreshes.
I wonder if it would use less bandwidth if the site admins could set up a "Live Ticker" style plug in for the recent comments list so people wouldn't have to reload the whole page as much?
If it's already happening it may get worse as results start coming in. To avoid double posting when you save a comment wait until it either finishes or goes to a page error before reloading seems to help, and it will post most times, even if it takes a minute or two.
JTC if you are listening care to weigh in on if this is feasible? I have zero knowledge of the amount of overhead involved in such an operation.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
I'm okay with that wait, though. I didn't mean
it to come off as a complaint. I understand things like his happen -- don't know why (not being a techie), but they do. I'm grateful that this site is here, so I'm okay with waiting for a page to refresh or reload.
Me too granma
but it's almost five oclock here in Oregon and this popular site is holding strong. Sorry I missed the Oregon meet up but I hope to meet you at the next one if it happens.
Ty again for this.
I'm horrified about the Delegates / AP / and don't know if I can wait to leave the party until the convention. I think Bernie has been treated horribly and if HRH is indicted and / or told to step down or she will be (indicted) they are going to parachute in VP Biden. I won't vote for him either.
People say to wait until the convention to leave the party. How do I hold out that long? I'm divorcing from this abusive relationship... why wait?
Don't believe everything you think.
I would try to tough it out.
Simply because I would think it would make a much more resounding of a statement and a refutation of any claimed mandate Clinton may have if we all do it at once and from what I have been hearing online the plan is for the end of the convention.
But of course, you are free to do it whenever makes sense for you, we are still that free at least.
I am completely disgusted myself and no longer think we can "Rebuild" so I am planning on bailing out too.
The Democratic party has made it clear to me that they don't want, nor think they need, progressive voters.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
It is simply to try to have the greatest multiplying effect:
assuming that the party bothers to look, seeng the rolls drop all at once over the course of a day or so might well have a greater impact than the same drop spread over 2 months.
Ultimately, it is your call. I'm becoming convinced that we voters are simply an inconvenience to the Party Fathers, and that they may not care. If they get down to 5% of the electorate as registered members, they'll still be happy- all they have to do is to keep jamming bozos onto ballots, and folks apparently will vote for them out of fear and guilt (or perhaps inertia).
I personally am going to wait: IMNSHO, there is no downside to doing it at the same time as many other people. I already flushed all their mailing lists into the spam filter, and I don't answer calls from unknown numbers...
Yeah. If you already voted in a primary
I don't see any added value in staying affiliated with Dems. Unless maybe you plan to attend the convention.
Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.
Yup. After the shitshow
that was my county convention (Colorado), I disengaged from the process and dropped my thoughts of going on to District or State. I can do it at any time, but I'm kind of looking forward to clogging the county offices with a bunch of other folks and demanding status changes...
Hopefully
the Colorado ballot issue in the fall will do away with caucuses and open up the primaries to everyone, regardless of affiliation or non-affiliation.
Well
There are those of us who are Dems
But unfortunately it seems the Dems don't want us around
and I am not boorish enough to stick around at a party where I am obviously not wanted.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
August Primary
Alphalop,
Are you planning on voting in the second half of the primary on 8/30? That is why I haven't changed my affiliation yet.
Inner and Outer Space: the Final Frontiers.
Doubtfully, I would, but I am not in DWS district
so I can't vote for Tim Canova unfortunately and there are not any progressives in mine that are up for the primary that I am aware of.
I will look further into it just to make sure, but if there are no candidates worth voting for then I will drop after the convention if it comes to that, if there is I will stick around till august and then drop.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
August Primary.
I'm on my main computer now. Makes life easier. Breaking in a tablet and it's convenient, but I like my MacMini.
Anywho, I'm doing the primary so I can vote for Grayson, medical pot and Susanna Randolph (central FL area). I'm nowhere near DWS-ville, but Canova has a good chance. He's the first primary opponent that cretin has had.
Inner and Outer Space: the Final Frontiers.
I'm boorish enough, because pushback is a good thing
However, if we're going to form a bigger, stronger third party and try to engage enough people that the Dems become the new Whigs, then I'm up for that. I won't leave the party just to leave, but I will leave because I'm attracted to something better.
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I would agree 1000% if I thought the party was salvagable
but TPTB have made it clear that it would be one hell of a fight and it's one that would take at least 6-8 years to accomplish. I think we could build a whole new party by 2020 at the latest if we go full bore like we did with the Sanders campaign.
The problem is time.
I don't think we, or the planet, have the time it would take for us to wrestle control from the third wayers, nor do I think the payoff would be worth it.
It would be like fighting for the controlling interest in toxic sludge. Looking at the registration trends it seems both parties are about as popular as said sludge, so why not start something new without all the negative baggage that comes with a bloated party that is full of insiders and that the electorate lacks faith in?
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
I want to see what happens today (i.e., election fraud?) and
what happens at the convention before I decide.
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Like who?
I don't know that there are any rules about it, but I would not
be surprised if at the convention they tried to disallow a certain number of Bern pledged delegates if the Dem rolls have gone down significantly. They would say "These votes shouldn't count because these were clearly not REAL Democrats, these were just people following Bern with no real interest in our party," then try to take the Dem nom away from Bernie even if he does well tonight, or try to say "Well now we don't have to give you part of the platform, because those who wanted a more progressive platform have already left the party".
So call me paranoid, but to give Bern the best and biggest strength at the convention, please stay in until afterward.
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Some states have different primary dates
For president
US reps & senate
State reps & senate
NY has 3 different primary dates
I gotta wait until the last one
When I was a kid, Republicans used to red scare people, now it's the Democrats. I am getting too damn old for this crap!
I think it would be far more effective to have some date
after the convention where everyone intending to leave the party does it at one time.
I'm conflicted about that, too.
But it's only a little over a month, so... I can wait.
A rumor I've heard re: CA voter disenfranchisement
One poll worker reported that they list of voters they received was not the blue list, which the list that includes all the new voters. One UCLA centric location reported needing to give out 50% provisional ballots...
Marist Poll. After-Berners are ON!
Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.
Nice! We should send that grab to all the SD's...
They should take those independent voters to heart.
That is, if winning is more important to them than maintaining control over the party.
Unfortunately I think they will go for control over victory...
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Hell, post it at TOP just for laughs. eom
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Naa. I don't wanna get banned, I am saving my account for
my "I told you so" diary when Clinton signs the TPP or gets us in another armed conflict. (Or insert various other misdeed here.)
I already have my, "Don't Blame Me, I Supported Sanders" bumper stickers designed.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Good point. I think the first "told you so" will be the big dip
in traffic after the paid shills no longer have a reason to be there any more - tomorrow? Next week? After the convention? One or more of those.
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Yeah
I'm waiting for that too.
Hell, I popped in earlier today just to read C&J and there were even a couple in there sniping about Bernie and Billery. Nuthin' is sacred.
Meddle not in the affairs of Dragons - For thou art crunchy and good with ketchup
The AP just declared CA for Clinton
/s
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
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My predictions
For what it is worth. I believe Bernie will win North and South Dakota plus Big Sky country Montana. California might be close just not sure, could go either way. I think Hillary will win New Mexico maybe 5% to 10% difference while New Jersey will be the big win for the evening- at least 15% difference.
Of course I could be wrong- will not be the first time and will not be the last time.
From your lips to his noodly appendage...
I just realized that may have sounded pretty wrong without putting it in context.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Context is important
Thanks for sharing and of course for hosting the party.
And thank you for coming! If your predictions are close
it's gonna be a fun night!
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Leaving work in 25 minutes
for my hour drive home - actually to the polling place to finally vote for Bernie! Can't wait! If I can keep this blog loaded on my iPad at home (it's hard when there's lots of traffic - my iPad can't handle it), I'll join the gang, if not, I'll see you all in the morning! Cheers!
America needs President Bernie Sanders, now!!!
GO BERNIE!!!!!
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Hope you can make it RA! If not, Give Andy our best!
Either way I hope you have an awesome evening!
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Thanks, Alpha-
he already voted at noon. See you soon!
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Thanks RA for your vote
for Bernie. Course I knew you would just didn't realize you lived in CA and had to wait till now to cast your 'irrelevant' vote for democracy. Go Bernie and go on the movement for some democracy! Regardless of the Rovian math at play we have won. Nothing will remain the same. Whoever and what ever wins the farce of a primary the real winners are the people regardless of their political affiliation, race or gender or class, who have stood up and said enough is enough. Your one of my favorite Bernie supporters you have heart and soul and know we will overcome someday. It won't be long as the blatant arrogance and abuse will get worse regardless of who wins in a 'contest' between The Hair Ball vs. the Mad Bomber austerity loving female.
Encouraging words, thank you!
I'm not going to feel like a winner if the Mad Bomber wins Cali. I'm going to be very disappointed.
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LoL @ TYT Commercial. "When News breaks....
Don't worry, we will fix it. We have insurance."
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
So ... how long after Bernie wins CA
will the talking heads begin blaming it on the premature coronation?
"HRC's legions of followers knew this election didn't really mean anything, so they stayed home."
"The real power is in the hands of small groups of people and I don't think they have titles. -- Bob Dylan"
I'm betting you nailed it, do you have a time machine that lets
you read comments on the GOS in the future or something?
(If so, can you please grab me some lotto numbers?)
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Well tonight's going to be fun.
I know Bernie said he's going all the way to the convention. I'm not quite sure what that means, since I'm basically on repeat saying the supers will go with the candidate that has the most pledged. If it's about getting a stronger voice on the platform, that seems like a good way to funnel his energy.
Don't count Bernie out.
He could still come away with the nomination. There are forces at work.
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Since you said
in a earlier comment I read that you like being told to eff off, why don'tcha then. Eff off there you go I hope that makes your day 'juicier'.
I don't see any fun about tonight.
It's too serious to be funny.
progressive1982
I'm going to ask you a straight forward question and I expect an honest answer. Do you work for the Clinton campaign?
lol no
I wish. Then I wouldn't be asking myself what I'm going to do now that work has slowed down for me.
Let me ask you this then...
with all of the pro Clinton blogs out there, why hang out here? I mean you are welcome here and all, I'm just wondering. Are we that likeable of a crew?
I like people's views here.
I'm not going to learn anything if I'm just talking to people who have my same views. I'm not saying I'm going to agree with you either. But I want to know where you're coming from. It's like, we're all human.
Fair enough.
I'll thumbs up you that for the sentiment and take it at it's
face value and assume you are not trying to passively troll for gossip to take back to the GOS with a, "Look how mean all those people are over at C99P!" Diary.
You can't blame us for being somewhat sensitive about it though considering the abuse that was heaped onto so many at TOP.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Well, if you need work
Hillary likes to have her server cleaned.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
HRC Likes Having Her Server Wiped
That's different than cleaning.
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