Lanny Davis: No scandal over Hillary's emails!!!
How do you know a lawyer is lying? His/her lips are moving. Thankfully, I came across this ludicrous "journalistic" hypocrisy several hours after dinner. I really don't like to eat shit sandwiches, especially after a nice meal. So we now read from one of K street's biggest honchos, Lanny Davis, of Clinton legal defense fame, about how wonderful Hillary has done ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong.
Well, let's see, how many "fibs" Lanny has made in this ludicrous claim of his.
With all the hours of punditry and tens of thousands of words written about Hillary Clinton’s emails by the political press corps, it is amazing that the whole episode can be boiled down to five undisputed facts.
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Only five facts? Really?
First, the former secretary of state did nothing illegal by having a private email system. The department’s Office of Inspector General (OIG) pointed to “policies” that were violated but cited no laws that were violated
The OIG does not do criminal complaints. They review policy and procedure compliance--they are not a law-enforcement body.
So the fact the OIG's report did not cite any broken laws is irrelevant. That is a job more suitably to be done by agencies such as the FBI. But wait! The FBI is already conducting not one, but TWO criminal investigations, Lanny.
Second, Clinton was not trying to hide her use of her private own email address. In fact, 90 percent of all the emails she sent went to State Department employees with a state.gov email address, which she thought — mistakenly — would be automatically preserved on the department’s email server.
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Okay, so how do we know this, Lanny, since your buddy Hillary deleted more than 50% of her own emails that were on a non-government server and not "captured" on a DOS server. Oh, such sloppy recored keeping. Well, now DOS has changed their rules about record capturing--everything NOW must be retained whether initiated at DOS or elsewhere. However this does not exclude, nor excuse the fact that Hillary unilaterally deleted emails. Just like in a marriage, when records are commingled, they must be adjudicated by an impartial source as to what was and what was not "work-related". This, Lanny, is a crime--they have a name for this: obstruction of justice. There is also the violation of the Federal Records Act, which although imposes no criminal penalties on persons who are not in government, does not seem to be ethical. Lanny, do you think this may be why so many Americans do not think darling Hillary is trustworthy?
Third, no email received or sent by Clinton was labeled at any level of classification.
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Sounds good, but smells bad, just like the dung you are trying to hide. Hilarious was one of ten (10) Federal officials to create the classification of documents. Two, the espionage act says that top secret or classified information must be maintained on government property, be they written or electronic--once removed from government guardianship constitutes a felony--even if ONLY due to "gross negligence". At the most charitable interpretation of HRC's sequestration of federal communications could be considered as negligent--in fact a fellow named Obama comment that HRC was "careless". Hillary was given a two hour security briefing when she took office as SOS concerning security issues--and she signed a document stating that indeed she had received such a briefing. One of the things she should have learned was that a document need not be classified in writing as confidential or greater, the CONTENT of the document, irrespective of the labelling makes it so. So, Lanny if you are going to use that lame excuse to bolster your claim of "no harm, no foul" (set aside hacking concerns for the time being), this would imply that Hillary is too dumb to understand what sensitive material necessary to withholding from any but limited dissemination is, then does that characterize her as fit to govern? She is making classification decisions--and she's been briefed on recognizing them. Are you asserting that someone so careless should be President?
Finally, about your third point, Lanny, HRC ordered her underlings to strip off "classified" labels from emails so that they could be sent to her non-federally approved private server.
Fourth, according to the OIG, there is no evidence that Clinton’s private server handling her emails was ever successfully hacked. In other words, all the dire and dark warnings from partisan Republicans about the secretary of state risking the nation’s security by using a private server are, in fact, all speculation — based on no facts whatsoever.
Well, there may not be a smoking gun but the smell of cordite is in the air on that claim. First, Guccifer, the Romanian hacker says he breached HRC's computer twice, plus he saw at least ten other unauthorized hacks into her computer server. Also, Guccifier came across some juicy emails from communications between bff's Sid Blumenthal and the as yet unindicted queen about Libya. First of all, this information would definitely be considered as classified, and certainly, as being darned near to classified. So what gave Sid the right to have access to these emails without ANY security clearances at all? Remember that guy Obama? He didn't want seditious Sid anywhere the State Dept, exercising his personal non-confidence in Mr. Blumenthal.
Another issue, not yet confirmed, but widely circulated, is that there currently are ongoing discussions in the Kremlin about whether or not to release 20,000 of Hillary's emails that they hacked. Okay, that's just rumor now--but wait--the cascade of info may be starting soon. I don't think Vladimir P. would like to see War-hawk Hillary in the White House. Okay, maybe he's willing to play "Russian roulette" with nuclear weapons if Hillary skates indictment.
Fifth, as pointed out by the inspector general, there was ample precedent for the use of private emails for official and private business, from Colin Powell to senior aides for Condoleezza Rice.
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Colin Powell did not use a private server to conduct government business. He admitted to using a private email address on a government server. Condy Rice was "guilty of the same thing--using a private email account--on a government server. This is a lot different than using a private server for government difference. Lanny, if you don't know the difference between a server and an email address, I suggest that you read "The Internet for Dummies" book.
Meanwhile, had Clinton used the State Department server rather than her private one, as her critics say she should have done, is there evidence that her emails would have been more secure? To the contrary: We know that Russian hackers raided the State Department server files.
This is a wonderful argument! So if on a given night a thief breaks into the house next door but doesn't get into your house through an unlocked door--that means that her practice of using an non-secure server was okay? Really. Okay, Lanny, consider two things:
1. If a hacker could break into a more strongly encrypted server, does that mean that Hillary's home brew server would have been safer?
2. Going back to the burglary analogy, if the burglar finds easy pickings at your neighbor's home. does that make hime more or less likely to try your place the next time.
3. If the house next door to yours burns down but not your domicile, are you going to cancel your fire insurance?
So isn’t Hillary Clinton being held to a double standard? I’m shocked, shocked.
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Well, actually, Lanny, Hillary IS BEING HELD TO A DOUBLE STANDARD: If John or Jane Q. Citizen were suspected of a fraction of the wrong-doing committed by HRC, he or she would guests at the Graybar Hotel for an indefinite sentence--but not a short one.
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Lawyer-speak is a gift of saying nothing
that sounds like something, interpretation different to different ears.
So maybe the FBI wants to get Hillary, LLC for being an over-entitled avoider of regulations. I certainly hope so.
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Lanny Davis is a Clinton Hack
He is only preaching to the #Imwithher choir.
"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott
You're right
This reads more like a list of talking points to be disseminated to and through a pliant press corps and the phalanx of HRC surrogates than any serious attempt at discussing the issues surrounding the home brew email server.
However, they must be worried about the effect it's had if they felt it necessary to release this transparently lame defense of her highness.
Ah yes, regina non potest piccare*
*forgive me if gender of the words are not in agreement; my Latin isn't terribly comprehensive, to say the least.
"Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it."
-- John Lennon
Sorry, the only Latin I know is:
"Non illegitimi carborundum"
New Latin, very clever
I've long forgotten my classical training. Who knew it would come in handy one day.
Look up at the stars and not down at your feet. Try to make sense of what you see, and wonder about what makes the universe exist. Be curious. Stephen Hawking
One of my favorites. :)
But in disclosure, I actually have tattoo's in actual Latin as well.
"Oderint Dum Metuant" being one of them. (Just swap places from the original targets to the Oligarchy.)
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
The only Latin I
know is Quid pro quo, habeas corpus and posse comitatus. I vaguely remember beautiful sounding Latin songs and chants from Catholic school. I do have a fine repertoire of lawyer jokes some of which I shared with Adam B and which were promptly flagged to oblivion.
Lanny Davis
Guess what? HILLARY IS A LAWYER ALSO!! What was it that Shakespeare said about lawyers? Oh, yes, "First, let's kill all the lawyers." (Henry VI, Part 2)
My thoughts exactly, thank you Writerinres
I am editing this to clarify. I do not support killing anyone. Shakespeare, whomever he/she is, no doubt dance between creative expression and the legal establishment of his day.
Look up at the stars and not down at your feet. Try to make sense of what you see, and wonder about what makes the universe exist. Be curious. Stephen Hawking
arguably
Shakespeare did not say that, he wrote a character who said it.
That Character (Dick the Butcher); Really, more of a lackey to a villain, named Cade. In a small comedic scene Cade and Dick wanted to overthrow the government and set cade up as ruler.
Killing the lawyers was a way to expedite that plot.
I've met two good lawyers.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
I'm a good lawyer, dammit!
Twain Disciple
I used to be a good lawyer
Now, I'm an asshat blogger.
Even imperfect lawyers are much more valuable than any asshat blogger, believe me.
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I would assume so just based on your username.
Anyone that is a "Twain Disciple" is automatically a step above average in my book.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
A county commissioner once said to me something similar
I am a land use planner (now retired). One day we had an all day workshop with county commissioners. It was the first day of this newly elected commissioner's term and he campaigned against land use regulations. During the lunch break, he sat down at a table across from me. He did not know me personally at all, but the first thing out of his mouth was "You know that the only good planner is a dead planner?"
I simply introduced myself and said nothing further. But in my mind, I was thinking that this was going to be a very long four years. Fast forward three weeks later and the same commissioner had an issue with one of the constituents in his district. I as directed to help him and ended up bailing him out of a very sticky situation. After that, he was much nicer to us planners.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Are you really that ignorant?
As is invariably pointed out almost every time that quote is offered up -- it's because the coup-makers in the play understand that if they're intent on making sure they get away with their usurpation, they need to get rid of the lawyers. Defending the rule of law is a virtue, not a vice, and lawyers are the enemy of those who would subvert it.
Representing the 99% at the Dem Nat'l Convention in Philly.
Defending the rule of law
is a virtue but these days a lot of lawyers especially powerful pols are very good at 'subverting' the rule of law. They are experts at reinterpreting old law to make new and making new laws that override the basic universal 'rule of law'.
Well, SOME lawyers are the enemies of those subverting the law
and SOME lawyers spend their time finding ways to subvert the law.
Like any other profession, there are good lawyers and bad lawyers.
But don't take lawyers jokes too personally, I think it's just that most people rarely need lawyers for a pleasant reason, so they get tarred with negativity of the experience itself. Oh, and Eric Holder... he makes lawyers look bad. And Hillary Clinton...
But of course there are some amazingly awesome lawyers too.
None could be better
than a lawyer turned on their corporate masters.
I was stonewalled by Blue Cross BS for payment for a surgery they pre-certified. Called the bar, asked for the meanest insurance prosecutor, they told me "we've got your guy" - fed-up and reformed former corporate health insurance stonewaller himself. BCBS caved quickly, bills all paid in full 5 days after one scorched-earth you-stepped-in-it-now letter went out. Most satisfying $400 I've ever spent!
"If I sit silently, I have sinned." - Mossadegh
Eric Holder?
If he makes lawyers look bad, it's because very few can rate compared to what he's done in his career.
I assume that's what you meant.
Representing the 99% at the Dem Nat'l Convention in Philly.
Smoking Gun Released by Russia??? Apparently hogwash.
Putin Orders Release Of World’s Most Powerful Email
http://investmentwatchblog.com/putin-orders-release-of-worlds-most-power...
Here it is on wikileaks https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/12605
OK... the email in question was released January 7, 2016 by the State Department, not recently, so the news report that Putin released it appears to be hogwash. The email itself is real. file:///C:/Users/lenovo/Downloads/C05787519%20(1).pdf
According to this report, the smoking gun email released a couple days ago (posted elsewhere) was released from the cache of emails that the Russian intelligence had access to. If this can be confirmed it looks like ten years in the slammer is a possible outcome. If its bullshit, I would expect to hear a loud clamor from the Clinton Camp and a libel suit.
Even if the sentence was stripping her security clearance, how would she run the office of the President without a security clearance. One of my visions is having her sentenced to a private detention center that they use for "illegal aliens", sleeping on a cement floor and, mop in hand, cleaning the toilets.
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And then there is this from Mills' testimony, HDR22@Clintonemail.com: Compromised SOF operations and Hillary jokes about Chinese hacking her emails https://sofrep.com/55597/hillary-jokes-chinese-hacking-emails/
Unfortunately the analysis is behind a paywall...
From the Light House.
This particular email
if it is real, is very damning because she is telling one of her top aides to remove the security header and send it non-secure. This is arrogance and a blatant disregard for the security of this country.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Here's a copy
Looks damning to me.
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
It sure looks like the real deal.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
Its real
Included in a State Department release in January. What seems not real is that Putin released it on wikileaks.
From the Light House.
Security Clearance
I was a graduate assistant at a high security facility for one summer. Because of timing issues they did not complete the lengthy clearance protocol. As a result I often found myself in a meeting wherein the speaker would ask, "Is there anyone here without a security clearance?" and a few of us would raise our hands. Then the speaker would say something like, "Well then, I guess I better be careful what I say." then there would be laughter all around. The standard is really, "need to know" and "reasonable and prudent".
A formal security clearance is more about providing a signed affidavit agreeing that the signatory could be prosecuted for inappropriately revealing information and less about restricting the signatory's access to information.
As a physicist, I acquire information just by walking through a laboratory. If you don't trust me, don't let me into your laboratory. The question before us: If you do not trust the Heir Apparent, do not put her on the Throne.
PriceRip, spot on
"do not put her on the Throne"
I had forgotten the McCloskey quote. Rumsfeld's "known unknowns and the unknown knowns" is another unpleasant reminder.
Look up at the stars and not down at your feet. Try to make sense of what you see, and wonder about what makes the universe exist. Be curious. Stephen Hawking
That email is old
The State department confirmed there was no indication the document was emailed to Clinton, and noted that unclassified information within classified documents can be sent through non-secure methods.
This is especially likely if it was non-paper, IE not representing an official government position.
ALL the emails are old.
But they've only been released to the public in dribs and drabs over the last year and they were never provided in a timely fashion to people who had the legitimate right to see them previously though FOIA requests or Congressional oversight, although that seems to be the entire point of the exercise in the first place.
That particular email does appear to be damning in its instructions to send without headings non-secure in a "non-paper". Hillary's answer as far as I can recall was to basically throw her aide under the bus by saying something like "I know my staff would never do anything improper" leaving off the unsaid "even if I told them to."
When the State Department says there was no indication it was emailed, how would they know if Sulllivan used a clintonemail address and sent it to Hillary's clintonemail address? Isn't that the "subset" that Mills acknowledged would escape the government server? I don't know if Sullivan had a clintonemail address or if he also used another private one, that's one of those things the FBI would be asking. Also, it's completely possible that Sullivan had no intention of complying with the improper instruction given him by Clinton or perhaps the secure fax finally got up and running.
I'm sure HRC would say that she expected him to transmit only the unclassified portions of the communique and transmit that insecurely, but why the instruction for no identifying headers? Plus, wouldn't the entire thing have basically been classified as it was her "talking points" for some negotiation or meeting she was entering into the next day? I'm not saying it happened but imagine if you unknowingly were going into negotiations with some country or person without knowing that they knew your whole gameplan in advance and had already crafted their re-buttals and/or counter-proposals? Wouldn't that leave you (and your country) at a disadvantage? I find Hillary's completely cavalier attitude about the security of her communications to be breathtaking. She's the fourth in the line of succession, she's interacting with all the leaders of the world, but she can't pry herself off of her blackberry and/or learn how to access email from a computer?
" “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR "
I was unclear
I mean that email was briefly news in January, and then found to be inconsequential.
Removing identifying headers
Removing identifying headers is SOP in a lot of cases. That way if things fall in the wrong hands PII is not a concern.
You can't make this stuff up
An HRC supporter pointed out to me that the CiC doesn't need any security clearances, so there.
If you are using Chrome try this to get past pay walls.
Right click on the link, then open in a new incognito window.
I notice that it works for most of the ones I encounter that allow a limited number of free views a month. (But it doesn't seem to work on sites like this that don't)
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
I get really tired of the HRC camp
trying to portray the interest in the emails/server as coming from Republicans. They are trying to make people think this is just another part of the vast right-wing conspiracy. HRC has implied as much a number of times. Their damage control tends to fall flat when they refuse to take into account that there are many progressives, liberals, moderates, etc who are concerned with the attitude, privilege and elitism her actions imply as well as the criminal aspects.
If instead using and lying about a non-secure server containing government secrets, HRC had lied about her involvement in a break in at the Watergate hotel and some tape recordings would it imply any less than it did for Nixon?
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
WindDancer13, I agree, except
Mrs. Clinton is a lawyer. Surely, she will stop short of making the cover up greater than the crime by lying??? Circle the wagons is happening and was happening before I started typing this.
Look up at the stars and not down at your feet. Try to make sense of what you see, and wonder about what makes the universe exist. Be curious. Stephen Hawking
Lot of Lawyer bashing
Sure it is easy to bash lawyers. Ignore the fact that it is lawyers are largely responsible for civil rights (Ever heard of Brown v. Board of Education?, not to mention property rights, contract rights etc.
yes
No lawyer who should not be disbarred would have, for example, replied to Shaun King's inquiry, with anything other than "no comment."
And Davis is not acting as a lawyer. He's acting as a shill.
As for "how do you know a lawyer is lying? His/her lips are moving." That is simply false. The true formulation is "how do you know a cop is lying? His/her lips are moving."
I do so hope this does not escalate.
My daughter was on the job for seven years before she went off to Lincoln Law. She went through hell but finished with awesome recommendations from the faculty.
She has skills, and she is the very sort of person you all want in those professions. So, sure I laugh with you at the jokes, but if this turns into the same Raw Angry Bullshit I saw at Daily Kos I will flash to anger mode . . . big time.
Just saying . . .
Pay heed
It's a creeping cancer. Either we're going to be better than DailKos or it will just be more of the same.
Representing the 99% at the Dem Nat'l Convention in Philly.
It's actually "How do you know a junky is lying?"
And speaking from personal experience, that one is mostly true.
True. NAxALT — Not All (x = “lawyers”) Are Like That.
In the early 1960s there was a TV show called The Defenders, about “good” (= principled, idealistic) lawyers who took complex and often unpopular cases.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Defenders_%281961_TV_series%29
The trouble is, in recent decades, instead of lawyers like William Kunstler or Ramsey Clark, what tends to exemplify the breed is — oh, I don’t know — Alan Dershowitz?
From John Adams defending the British captain in
the Boston Massacre case to the ACLU defending the right of the Ku Klux Klan to march in Skokie, Ill. forty years ago to Morris Dees and the Southern Poverty Law Center, it is a noble profession.
"Just call me Hillbilly Dem(exit)."
-H/T to Wavey Davey
There is an old tune written to celebrate.
Here is a version of the original Three Dog night song "The World is Black The World is White".
Not sure the embed code works here, so a link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDh0FiGfgtk
Look up at the stars and not down at your feet. Try to make sense of what you see, and wonder about what makes the universe exist. Be curious. Stephen Hawking
This is the code
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^ see that space
BBCode will not let me use escape so you need to drop the extra space for this to work.
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I am integrated
One of my most favorite photos and I think Bernie's best online campaign videos.
From the Light House.
I see 2 ways this could go
Either Hillary converting Cheryl Mills to her attorney to shield their work at State and the foundation from discovery will be seen as blatantly corrupt, and office holders will not be able to use their staff as attorneys or shield their business behind a claim of attorney-client privilege, or (big breath) every elected official will have a senior staff composed of attorneys hiding their business behind, but ultimately weakening the entire concept of attorney-client privilege.
This is my problem
The precedent setting nature of this does not bode well for future transparency. I wish that those in the decision making process, either by making laws or creating rules or deciding who to prosecute, would think this through thoroughly. I am a big believer in process and keeping process clean. A clean and transparent process leads to a better outcome.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Theory: they have thought it all through VERY thoroughly.
That should frighten you deeply.
My apologies. I've seen and read far roo much to be anything but cynical.
I agree and
it does scare me to death.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
I was hoping this site might be better than DKos....
This is my first comment here since I got handed a 3 month timeout at DKos over 2 weeks ago -- maybe it was 3? It was bullshit, because I didn't really do what I was accused of doing -- asking for personally identifying information. I asked a new user who was claiming to be a Sanders delgate in Nevada where he caucused -- [prefaced by saying that I was a poll watcher in Nevada]. I wasn't trying to ferret out the dude's name and personal info, but I didn't get to explain my purpose in asking because the answer was he was in a rural site -- and I was in Vegas. I was wondering if we might remember each other if he was at the same site I was. Anyway, someone wondered if I was doxxing the guy (which I would have had no interest in doing if he was a Sanders delegate) and I got reported and suspended without so much as a chance to defend myself.
Honestly, as I read some of the diaries and comments over the last 3 weeks on that site, I'm thinking I'm better off not participating, so I came here. First thing, I see a diary that I want to participate in because I have something to add about Lanny Davis, and I see the piece kicks off with the same easy generalizing, villifying bullshit at Daily Kos. I get people think they have to write like this to get people to read it and join in the pillaging fun, but that's the same shit that feeds the pie fights at Dialy Kos, and frankly it's the same weak sauce that Trump offers up.
If we're going to be better than all that and actually make an difference in the world, it's not because we're right on the issues. It'll be because we address the issues and speak smartly, fairly and inclusively.
There are thousands of lawyers doing the selfless work of creating justice in this country -- and tens of thousands doing good works worldwide. Not just sitting at a chair and whipping off some cheap joke to lead off an internet rant.
Is this what this site is going to be like, too? Is it going to be infotainment, or a serious effort at effecting change?
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Hi, FF! Good to see you here. I think you will find the majority
of conversation here reasonably respectful, aided by the absence of a down rating. But we do get heated from time to time, and there's no easy community moderation, you just write back your best response. I hope you'll stick around anyway and add your two cents.
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Sometimes though, a joke is just a joke...
and unless it is said with malice instead of humor as the intent then it should be treated as such.
Let's also try not to jump on the "Offended" bandwagon too quickly as well, that was a MAJOR problem at TOP...
One good rule that helps with keeping things civil:
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
This is why I told
my personal anecdote about my own profession. It is easy to vilify any profession until you need help from someone in that profession.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
This is just to give the media something to say
and Hillary supporters something to reassure. They'll eat it up and claim that's that. I'm really disappointed in Hillary supporters, including a few that are close to me.
Beware the bullshit factories.
Alligator Ed, thumbs up
This is my first post on this site. It was recommended by several people who support Senator Sanders. At my age, who would have thought it?
I have nothing to add to Ed's remarkable piece. I'm still lurking while enjoying ideas uncensored by the two small (think they're huuuge) so called Democratic discussion forums. Should I tone it down?
Look up at the stars and not down at your feet. Try to make sense of what you see, and wonder about what makes the universe exist. Be curious. Stephen Hawking
Good to have you here, hf.
If you support Bernie and what he stands for, I'm willing to bet that you'll like this place.
"Just call me Hillbilly Dem(exit)."
-H/T to Wavey Davey
Thanks for the honor
Jump right in. Don't be afraid to comment. When you get a bit more used to the process, write some of your own essays.
Welcome, hawkingfan. nt
Yanno if this election was ONLY about Beenie vs HRC
I could hold my nose and vote for her BUT ITS NOT.
With HER we get the return of the neoliberal wing... we get HER and all the people who come with HER... Including Lanny Davis
I do NOT want these,people to be back in control of our government
I do NOT want a Female figurehead for the same MEN who have been in control of our government for decades!!!
the Party DEAD ENDERS tout the wonderment of electing the first woman president but it's an ad campaign and nothing more... It's like buying the new coke and then finding out you really bought the old coke with a new label.
The Lanny Davis' of politics need to GO AWAY!! THEY and their international counterparts are destroying not just our nation but the entire world ..!!
IMHO
Orwell was an optimist
Trump: prone to “capture” by neocons. But Hillary *is* a neocon.
Which is worse?
As we both know
neo-liberalism and neo-conservatism are two sides of the same coin and HRC is both.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Don't forget Henry Fucking Kissinger.....
Anyone that has that asshole in their circle should not only be prohibited from holding public office, they should be prohibited from oxygen.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
the 16-ton weight that flattened the camel, back and all.
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
Nailed it, Knot....
That's the money quote. Bull's eye.
"Just call me Hillbilly Dem(exit)."
-H/T to Wavey Davey
The 'defenses' given by Lanny Davis are the same ones HRC has
been using all along -- just written & published by someone some will find 'credible' because he's a lawyer.
During the week that the OIG report was 'leaked' (ie made available to The People) and submitted through proper channels, I noticed that the MSM responded with strong negatives against HRC -- significant to me because they were such strong statements against HRC. WaPo printed a very strong editorial disapproving HRC's behavior; by the weekend, US Today printed a similar editorial. (Although USA Today is and has been the vehicle for the dumbing-down of news, imo what they publish represents what most Regular People believe and accept as reality.) On the Friday of that week, Gwen Ifill's Washington Week discussed HRC's server and the OIG report. The consensus among the reporters was that the OIG report had shown all of HRC's 'defenses' to be false, and that this duplicity only strengthened the public's opinion of HRC as dishonest and untrustworthy. The reporters also agreed that if HRC (or surrogates) continued to push the same old defenses, they would only be embarrassing themselves and demonstrating HRC's dishonestly even more clearly.
Yet doubling-down on HRC's now-failed 'defenses' is what Lanny Davis (and numerous comments at DK) has been the only tactic used by HRC supporters since the report was released. This shows me the poverty of their position -- they have nothing more effective to offer than the same old lies, which the OIG report has gutted.
The OIG report only speaks to offenses under the FOIA law, although it touches on the rogue server's lack of security. The more serious issue of her insecure server (and her use of the extremely hackable BlackBerry) opening an unimpeded information highway into the highest levels of government is still being brushed aside, and the words 'Espionage Act' are notably absent from discussion.
I hope the Espionage Act infractions will show up front-and center soon, but personally I find it a hopeful sign that Washington allowed the media to show it willing to cut Hillary loose over the OIG report.
What is surprising is that I have yet to see a single MSM outlet
touch on this little factoid.
While all 4 of these appear to have been violated the two most obvious, and troubling, are B & C.
I wrote an essay on this the other day. Has anyone seen any mainstream outlet even mention this?
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Trump: "Hillary Clinton has got to go to jail."
Apologies if this has been posted. I've missed a few threads. Just ran into it while browsing Twitter.
CNN
Damn YOU! Why did you go and post something that made me have
to actually agree with Trump?
Don't do that, it hurts my brain, lol! (J/K Thanks for sharing that. )
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Broken cuckoo clock - right twice a day n/t
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
Two things bother me.
One, Putin may or may not have any of Hillary's emails. If so, he'll have to decide what to do with them. Could he release them in a way that didn't expose his own security operations?
Two, Guccifer saw "at least ten" other illegal hacks? What the heck? I'm quite sure that not all of them were 15-year-old boys with too much time on their hands.
Life is strong. I'm weak, but Life is strong.
If I was Putin.....
I wouldn't release them, I would hold on to them for blackmail.
"Hey Clinton, you might want to rethink interfering with me invading (Insert country here) or these juicy emails I just happen to have will be released, have fun facing impeachment and/or prison..."
But then again, maybe that is just my Sicilian nature rearing it's head in the traditional, "That's an awful nice presidency you have there, would be a shame if something happened to it." approach to getting what you want...
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Blackmail
Exactly my thoughts. If they, and other countries have these emails, they could be used as blackmail or other pressure points. Even if they don't have squat they can still use the idea that they have the emails as blackmail.
From the Light House.
With all due respect
Way too much effort expended on LD. He's a shill. Always has been, always will be.
What we need to figure out is how he gets paid by the Clinton Foundation for his efforts.
Oh, wait. I can't accuse someone of being a shill?
Woof, that must be ToP...
All clear.
Prof: Nancy! I’m going to Greece!
Nancy: And swim the English Channel?
Prof: No. No. To ancient Greece where burning Sapho stood beside the wine dark sea. Wa de do da! Nancy, I’ve invented a time machine!
Firesign Theater
Stop the War!
Yeah, those GOS flashbacks can be a pain...
I think my very first post here started out with a long "protective" disclaimer just out of habit from TOP. Got most of the way through before I realized I didn't need to do that crap here.
PKPD (Post Kos Posting Disorder) is a very real thing and should be treated with the gravitas it deserves...
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Lanny Davis is still a player.....
Someone shared this piece with me today -- from October about Davis slamming Sanders...and Biden, among others.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/10/09/top-clinton-ally-caught-in-2016-rant.html
The reporter asked Davis to comment on what he'd been caught saying, and
Last night, the Maryland delegation to the Democratic convention met. The Sanders delegates met first (including me), and we agreed that we wouldn't oppose the Clinton nominees to represent the state on the Rules, Platform and Credentials Committee. Then the larger meeting was held, and Lanny Davis was put forward for one of the two Clinton seats on one of the committees. I really wanted to object, but held my tongue.
It is interesting, though, in the context of what he said back in October about not being part of the Clinton team, which was almost certainly a lie.
Representing the 99% at the Dem Nat'l Convention in Philly.
...another lawyer's viewpoint...
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/1/andrew-napolitano-hillary...