Jill Stein plans protests outside Trump-Clinton debate
Submitted by Amanda Matthews on Sat, 09/24/2016 - 6:19pm
Jill Stein didn't get invited to the first presidential debate, but the Green Party candidate is still hoping to cause a stir.
In the hours before Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton take the stage, Stein and her supporters plan to hold a "Let Jill Debate" protest and subsequent "People's Debate."
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/jill-stein-protest-debate-228593#i...
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I am of the opinion that all four 'candidates' should get to be at the debates.
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Me, too!
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Anyone on the ballot
should be included in the debates. This is what I would call informational gerrymandering. Insidious and reeks of duopoly fear; all with a presidential stamp of approval applied. Foul!
"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage
Last time she just got arrested
She might want to coordinate with Gary Johnson, for something more than a stunt.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
Oh yeah, what efforts have
Oh yeah, what efforts have you put forth to derail the fascist agenda???
Jill Stein 2016
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety” ~Benjamin Franklin
Yep, keyboard political consultants.... not just at TOP !!!!
A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.
I'd like to see them
Do an informal debate, right outside the "formal" debate hall.
Personally, I wouldn't
Personally, I wouldn't consider protesting private-party or corporate control of democratic elections to be 'a stunt', exactly. And Jill's skilled and can do both at once, with the two-party trade-off corporate candidates carrying out some scripted farce inside. That's a two-fer (unlike Bill and Hill the criminals) actually worth voting for.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
I am favorable impressed that Stein went to North Dakota
and will demonstrate at the debate. It'll be worth it to write her name on my ballot.
"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"
Jill is going to participate in a parallel manner
using media that I do not fully understand.
http://www.jill2016.com/hofstra_debate
It will be broadcast live via periscope [I think] and will undoubtedly be filmed and put up on youtube. A bootleg version of the debates. I'm looking forward to that.
Life is strong. I'm weak, but Life is strong.
Periscope is a website and app
Similar to Ustream, anyone can stream from anywhere. ..
good plce to see live music from a distance.
Peace -
Murph
I do not trust Facebook and
I do not trust Facebook and Twitter owners. Any 'technical issue' or other problem will cause great (and justified, by past actions of owners behaving like slimeballs) suspicion and quite possibly riots... but I do wish Jill - and the rest of us - the best. I.e., if there's no Bernie miracle, that she'll win.
Edit: hope that wasn't an omen that I somehow missed 'us' in a sentence... and bolded not while I was here.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
99%
A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.
I'm trying to decide what to think about all this. My FIRST
thought was Good For Her! She's not rolling over and playing the victim card. At least someone is standing up to this rigged election.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
She's a fighter against
She's a fighter against injustice. I like that in a leader. So much nicer than the ones fighting to impose injustice without letting the lower orders realize that it was deliberately inflicted upon them by him/her - and likely quite profitable for them.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
I agree with those that have said that anyone running for
president should be allowed in the debates. They were when the League of Women Voters were in charge of the debates.
The DNC and RNC changed the rules for them and the LOWV didn't agree with them.
Now candidates only have 60 seconds to answer questions and 30 seconds for the other person to rebut them.
That's a silly way to get to know what they stand for.
Plus the questions to be asked are not to be about anything serious.
The people commenting on this are typical Hillary supporters. Attack the person and ridicule her message.
Was Humpty Dumpty pushed?
Lol, silly beggars know that
Lol, silly beggars know that if the people understood what the corporate-selected candidates stood for, they'd never get any votes!
The League of Women's Voters refused to continue to host the debates under the new DNC/RNC rules because they were intended to defraud the public.
Those fraudulent parties are the private parties which control American's electoral choices.
But that's OK in what they've told you is 'the world's greatest democracy', by virtue of an insanely large and tax-payer draining military entitled to 'spread democracy around the world' by bombing/droning other people in their own countries to steal their oil and stuff and take over their governments with corporate-puppet tyrants, right?
And you're going to vote for their corporate candidate and your own corporate serfdom for the maximized profits of their paymasters, right? Because if you don't, we're going to call you wildly inappropriate names!
That, and stop you from voting, or take your vote away to change it to please ourselves and give it to Her!
(It's the WindSocks eternal turn now, in continual spin, even if Bill has to do the actual corporate management part as she's already warned; he's such an austerity expert, and one at safeguarding corporate welfare, after all. Funny how that worked out together... especially regarding his screwing people over in every way he possibly can. The Clintons are so practiced at position changes, you know, and it feels oh, so not good when you're on the bottom...)
Me, outraged? Well, maybe a little...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
America: the Worst Democracy in the World.
How's that for a message?
“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu
Time to pull off the
Time to pull off the Windsocks and quit even thinking about Trumping the world?
Time to vote for democracy and refuse to accept yet another cheated-in President? (It sounds so easy when I say it, right?)
If ya can't Bern 'em, Green em?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Greening_of_America
The Greening of America is a 1970 book by Charles A. Reich. It is a paean to the counterculture of the 1960s and its values. Excerpts first appeared as an essay in the September 26, 1970 issue of The New Yorker.[1] The book was originally published by Random House.
Overview
The book's argument rests on three separate types of consciousness. "Consciousness I" applies to the world-view of rural farmers and small businesspeople that arose and was dominant in 19th century America. "Consciousness II" represents a viewpoint of "an organizational society", featuring meritocracy and improvement through various large institutions; it dominated the New Deal, World War II and 1950s generations. "Consciousness III" represents the worldview of the 1960s counterculture, focusing on personal freedom, egalitarianism, and recreational drugs.[2]
The book mixed sociological analysis with panegyrics to rock music, cannabis, and blue jeans, arguing that these fashions embodied a fundamental shift in world view.
Bestseller
The book was a best-seller in 1970 and 1971, and topped the New York Times Best Seller list on December 27, 1970 and other weeks.[3]
Kinda pissed that I missed out on the 60s, though... it sounds like a fun time, although maybe not so much in America...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
The 60s through the eyes of a child:
It was a little scary. They killed our President in 63. I was born in 1960 and I still remember that! There was a loss of innocence among the adults, there had been a feeling that things like that didn't happen here anymore (last previous President assassinated had been McKinley in 1901). Then rioting in the cities. I lived in upstate New York at the time. For a while there were no trips to the city for us. We were appalled at the films of peaceful black marchers in the South being beaten and set upon by dogs. More assassinations in 68. We watched the news at school on TV in the classroom when I was 8. It seems weird now that no one thought anything of children watching people be murdered. It's news, it's educational! Society was spinning and we weren't sure what was going to happen. Duck and cover drills at school in case the USSR sent nukes. We were happy to see civil rights acts pass and minorities make gains, and of course the space program was awesome. But then unrest on college campuses, mostly against Vietnam. I was a teenager by the 70s, my sibs and I thinking about college. My parents weren't sure they were going to let us go, after the Texas Tower shootings in 66 and Kent State in 70. They wanted to keep us safe. They finally relented, but my older sibs went to smaller, nearby schools; my parents went with them to college interviews and insisted upon some reassurances regarding campus safety, along with pledges from Admins never to call in the National Guard to handle student protests. Of course we were all admonished to stay away from protests just in case! By the time I went, though, things were calmer. The boys had to register for the draft, but no one was being called.
I kind of wish I'd been about 10 years older. A little too young for sex, drugs, and rock n roll!
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I was a child of the 60s. It was amazingly, wonderfully,
fantastically GREAT and it was horrible, horrifying, and eye-opening at the same time. All illusions faded away and what was left was the truth about our government, our leaders, and our fellow man/woman. It, they, and us can be some real shits.
We also had the literature, the MUSIC, and an openness we never had before about our resentment at being lied to and manipulated by the people we elect and pay to go to Washington to represent us. That is all they are there to do, represent our best interests, not enforce their own opinions and/or self-interests. We knew we had rights as citizens (each and every one of us) and they were not to be broached. We did fight back and we ran one crooked president out of Washington, only to watch a continual trail of others, just as bad if not worse, follow right behind. Those were some serious times, we worried about the government, worried about the war, scared to death about the draft that was instituted 12/1/69. Following that the riots and chaos. We are pretty much just sitting quiet (ME TOO) and taking whatever they throw at us now. They don't even try very hard to hide their corruption anymore. And we...
It was an time where people were more willing to show their anger and sometimes actually fight against an injustice. Like BLM is doing now.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
PTSD
It's my belief that the American people, in general, and the Silents and Boomers, in particular, are suffering from PTSD. I say this from my experience as a "child of the '60s myself, as well as someone who's had PTSD from a natural disaster.
It would explain a lot, such as our sitting on our behinds for the past 40 years, as if in a stupor, while terrible things were being perpetrated. The middle class was destroyed, our civil liberties have been eroded, and we now live in an environment with the constant invasion of our privacy. We have no sense of stability anymore. The stress and the psychological pressure on everyday people is mind-boggling. And the majority of the American populace has done virtually nothing except yawn, reach for the TV remote, and go shopping. Those who attempt to break free and point out that the emperor has no clothes have been marginalized and subject to crazy-making. I have to think there is some "Stockholm syndrome" (trauma bonding) going on.
"Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep."
~Rumi
"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone
That's an interesting take on the 60s and our
reaction to that era. I'll have to think about it.
"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
Green Party Downhill on Fox Business Sept 24, 2016
Hosted by John Stossel. He admitted his bias toward Gary Johnson but did a decent job of questioning Jill and accepting questions from audience, FB, and Twitter. He did not try talking over her. Jill made a wonderful presentation, appearing likable as well as knowledgeable. Unlike Medusa, Jill came across as a human being with logic and compassion (unlike the shape-shifting Lizard running for the Democraps.)
Excellent. We will enjoy the alternate debate, and over at
TOP, heads will explode. It's win-win!
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Seems that most of the brains
Seems that most of the brains came over to places like here, the Progressive Wing, Reddit, etc., where I enjoy reading you guys very much. So now I'm kinda wondering what's going to splatter out of those exploding heads...
Edit: should maybe toss in some 4-letter words to make up for times when I somehow miss typing a two-letter one and have to edit it in...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Heh. Borg brains.
The collective nature of the hive may be revealed.
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Media Treason, pure and simple
n/t
RR
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And once again, the Rooster
And once again, the Rooster nails it!
Armour against the Poo Flingers?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h19xikSTRi8&list=RDaCyGvGEtOwc&index=27
Foo Fighters - Iron Rooster
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Righteous!
Oh thanks Hellen
I like that song and the Foo Fighters.
But I'm like to the "establishment"
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RR *Drinks*
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