You no doubt saw Caitlin Johnstone last week --

Submitted by Cassiodorus on Sat, 02/25/2017 - 6:02pm

I Dare You To Elect Tom Perez, DNC. Do It. Do It And Watch What Happens.

I'm sure Johnstone's bravado is a bit on the optimistic side, though at any rate her conclusion was great fun to read:

So try us, DNC. We're probably just bluffing anyway, like we were when we told you Bernie or Bust. You should try us and find out. Stop postponing the inevitable and elect Tom Perez to DNC chair. Then watch and see what happens.

So what's the response from Draft Bernie? Well --

Draft Bernie Sanders movement invites Keith Ellison to join new party push

I wish them luck, but I have some advice for the Draft Bernie people. What happened in Wisconsin in March of 2011 is now being prepared nationally. Sure, petition your culture heroes all you want. But in the end you'll have to listen to Peter Gabriel:

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Submitted by dkmich on Sat, 02/25/2017 - 7:18pm

From Matt Stoller

There is no more hoping or pretending. Bernie and Keith are sheepdogs. I'm hoping this posts ok.

1. A bunch of lessons from this loss by the Bernie wing. First, you lost, again. Stop saying Bernie would have won. He lost. Keith lost.

— Matt Stoller (@matthewstoller) February 25, 2017

2. The core party leadership is against populist ideas. This has to be made explicit. Not only did Keith lose, he lost badly.

— Matt Stoller (@matthewstoller) February 25, 2017

3. He didn't make the case for a different party structure just as populists have not broken from Obama/Clinton. Until that happens...

— Matt Stoller (@matthewstoller) February 25, 2017

4. Democrats will not see a difference between Clinton/Obama Democrats and Bernie Democrats. Everyone's great!

— Matt Stoller (@matthewstoller) February 25, 2017

5. Get better staffers and do a better job at management. Seriously the incompetence is staggering.

— Matt Stoller (@matthewstoller) February 25, 2017

6. Polarize. This has to be done. It's uncomfortable, but not as uncomfortable as being detained by ice officers when you have a brain tumor

— Matt Stoller (@matthewstoller) February 25, 2017

7. Stop confusing being a nice civil coward with being thoughtful and kind. They are not the same thing.

— Matt Stoller (@matthewstoller) February 25, 2017

8. Finally this is the cost of the mass self-delusion of the Obama years. It's President Trump, and weak Democrats.

— Matt Stoller (@matthewstoller) February 25, 2017

9. Until someone in the Democratic Party is willing to be honest about what happened, it will worsen. And no, progressives aren't there yet.

— Matt Stoller (@matthewstoller) February 25, 2017

10. Also, this was a very winnable race for Keith Ellison. Yes it was full of insiders, but they were open to him and Perez was not strong.

— Matt Stoller (@matthewstoller) February 25, 2017

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

Submitted by shaharazade on Sat, 02/25/2017 - 9:11pm

Posted fine dkmich

@dkmich @dkmich @dkmich @dkmich Bejeezuz I'm really sick of the hype put out by the Demoratic owners and followers about every freaking thing they refuse to do. They are what they are and people need to figure out that they are a useless political vehicle. They have no intention of changing or reforming they are what they are and it's nothing anyone should support or believe. They may sound more rational then The Hairball but their not. They are freaking global pigs of the worst order. Their done, stick a fork in them and forget about them.

So then what do people who don't buy this farcical fake circus do? That's the only question I want to deal with. No violent revolution is either plausible or wanted. So what option does any citizen who does not fall for this surreal duopoly have? The electoral process is gone daddy gone and so are all the checks and balances of power in our truly fucked up system. Btw Both parties killed the system. They are complicit. Partners in crime. So how do we get rid of these assholes both R's and D's who hold us in captivity?

So much energy spent in analyzing each and every move they make. Such a waste of energy. I don't know how we are going to take these fuckers down but we need to let go of the insane belief that this is the only way forward available. As long as people refuse to let go of the false reality that is presented as reality and keep dwelling on the carefully constructed current story line that's so bogus it makes my head spin we are all stuck with wheels spinning and no where to go.

Let's let go of the faked up Dems.vs.Repugs constrict and focus on how to get out of their carefully constructed web. Hard as they do own the place. Then again this is nothing new. These fuckers historically always say they are inevitable and are the only reality allowed. They are always wrong. How many times? I guess I'm saying that who the fuck cares who the Democratic party insiders elect to carry on their madness. Nobody likes them (for good reason) anymore then the Republicans. So what can we do as the 99% to aid and abet a way out of this enforced and by-partisan madness? Rejecting the political current and past made up story line is a good start. Hey! who knows what the future will bring but fear of the unknown is no reason to accept what the ruling class has told us is our only choice.

Submitted by Cassiodorus on Sat, 02/25/2017 - 9:08pm

We organize a new party I suppose.

@shaharazade I still want to know who these Draft Bernie people are and what they have in mind.

#1 #1 #1 #1 Bejeezuz I'm really sick of the hype put out by the Demoratic owners and followers about every freaking thing they refuse to do. They are what they are and people need to figure out that they are a useless political vehicle. They have no intention of changing or reforming they are what they are and it's nothing anyone should support or believe. They may sound more rational then The Hairball but their not. They are freaking global pigs of the worst order. Their done, stick a fork in them and forget about them. So then what do people who don't buy this farcical fake circus do? That's the only question I want to deal with. No violent revolution is either plausible or wanted. So what option does any citizen who does not fall for this surreal duopoly have? The electoral process is gone daddy gone and so are all the checks and balances of power in our truly fucked up system. Btw Both parties killed the system. They are complicit. Partners in crime. So how do we get rid of these assholes both R's and D's who hold us in captivity? So much energy spent in analyzing each and every move they make. Such a waste of energy. I don't know how we are going to take these fuckers down but we need to let go of the insane belief that this is the only way forward available. As long as people refuse to let go of the false reality that is presented as reality and keep dwelling on the carefully constructed current story line that's so bogus it makes my head spin we are all stuck with wheels spinning and no where to go. Let's let go of the faked up Dems.vs.Repugs constrict and focus on how to get out of their carefully constructed web. Hard as they do own the place. Then again this is nothing new. These fuckers historically always say they are inevitable and are the only reality allowed. They are always wrong. How many times? I guess I'm saying that who the fuck cares who the Democratic party insiders elect to carry on their madness. Nobody likes them (for good reason) anymore then the Republicans. So what can we do as the 99% to aid and abet a way out of this enforced and by-partisan madness? Rejecting the political current and past made up story line is a good start. Hey! who knows what the future will bring but fear of the unknown is no reason to accept what the ruling class has told us is our only choice.

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"The war on Gaza, backed by the West, is a demonstration that the West is willing to cross all lines. That it will discard any nuance of humanity. That it is willing to commit genocide" -- Moon of Alabama

Submitted by shaharazade on Sat, 02/25/2017 - 9:21pm

Well Bernie said

@Cassiodorus no thanks I do not want to be drafted I prefer the Demorat's cause I'm a good sheepdog. So that's what happened to that false reform or draft Bernie bs. Meanwhile why can't we start organizing for a third party? Oh no's we can't do that it's not allowed and never been done in our so fucked up political system as it stands. So embrace the suck as scary Nancy said and welcome the new boss same as the last asshole. Hey you all deserve The Hairball as you refused to vote for the psycho killer the Mad Bomber and all the neoliberal/neocons she represents. I am woman. Trump is a lunatic and I'm a psycho.

Submitted by p cook on Sat, 02/25/2017 - 9:59pm

@shaharazade word

word

Submitted by Dhyerwolf on Sat, 02/25/2017 - 9:48pm

Number 1 at the very least makes no sense

@dkmich This loses me with the first part. Democratic insiders didn't pick Keith Ellison, ergo the general population wouldn't have chosen Sanders over Trump? That's a gigantic, unbridgeable gap in logic.

Submitted by ZimInSeattle on Sat, 02/25/2017 - 10:21pm

I don't know about anyone else but I could care less

@dkmich about what Matt Stoller wants or thinks.

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"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - JFK | "The more I see of the moneyed peoples, the more I understand the guillotine." - G. B. Shaw Bernie/Tulsi 2020

Submitted by Cant Stop the M... on Mon, 02/27/2017 - 7:07pm

@ZimInSeattle Up till now, he's

@ZimInSeattle Up till now, he's always been quite insightful and honest.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

Submitted by Cant Stop the M... on Mon, 02/27/2017 - 7:05pm

@dkmich Apparently Matt Stoller

@dkmich Apparently Matt Stoller doesn't give a shit about the extensive and obvious cheating by Hillary Clinton. Too bad, I always liked him.

—

"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

Submitted by Not Henry Kissinger on Sat, 02/25/2017 - 7:33pm

Matt Stohler's Acid Fortune Cookies

@dkmich

7. Stop confusing being a nice civil coward with being thoughtful and kind. They are not the same thing.

6. Polarize. This has to be done. It's uncomfortable, but not as uncomfortable as being detained by ice officers when you have a brain tumor

I honestly have no idea what a lot of these tweets even mean.

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The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?

Submitted by shaharazade on Sat, 02/25/2017 - 9:06pm

Tweets from hell

@Not Henry Kissinger and they clog your brain with their inane bs uttered from the brain/mouth's of celebrity and the peoples babble. All who trend's must be considered as thus spoke Twitter forever and ever. Like fb people just follow whatever backs up their ignorance. Sorry to be so cynical but man o man if you aren't at this point you must be a moron or brainwashed.

Submitted by TheOtherMaven on Mon, 02/27/2017 - 10:24am

Lots of Twits on Twitter

@shaharazade
Just saying

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There is no justice. There can be no peace.

Submitted by Deja on Mon, 02/27/2017 - 10:55am

Brain tumor/ICE tweet is about a real thing

@Not Henry Kissinger An asylum seeker in Texas who was removed from the hospital by ICE agents and returned to the detention center even though she has a brain tumor and needs treatment for it.

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/immigration/2017/02/24/amnesty-international-launches-campaign-demanding-release-detained-immigrantwith-brain-tumor

I have no idea what the other one is about, if anything lol.

Submitted by Cassiodorus on Sat, 02/25/2017 - 9:11pm

From Irami Osei-Frimpong's Facebook page:

Remember, the moneyed class of Dems would much rather have Dems lose elections to the GOP nationwide, forever, than have to contend with a populist rebellion in their own party.

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Submitted by fight2bfree on Sat, 02/25/2017 - 9:38pm

It is the pitiful

the party that no one celebrated. The party of 'inevitable', 'electable', and 'qualified'. Good Luck with reasoning. I'm certain your argument will be persuasive. If not, then it will be a humorous and perhaps humiliating experience.

So out-of-depth, are we past it? Walking past, no longer an option. Give a finger, begin anew. Burn it. Trash the other. End them both and break free from human stupidity. If you pay a contractor or employee for service a specifc instance, say build a custom vehicle, but they present you with a pet rock.

Would you be insulted? If not, you are blessed and live in a far off galaxy for the peace of being where that may be the norm: That decision making pattern hasn't worked well for this Earth in the past. Chances are, humans do attempt to repeat errors from the past with expectations of alternative results.

Do not allow your opponent to lull you into believing for a moment their brand of shit is better or 'just as good', as that requires an amazing amout of shit dressing, which no one stocks.

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Fighting for democratic principles,... well, since forever