Yep, let's follow the science

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/fda-drops-ivermectin-bombshell

first there was this

and today there is this

“FDA explicitly recognizes that doctors do have the authority to prescribe ivermectin to treat COVID,” Ashley Cheung Honold, a Department of Justice lawyer representing the FDA, said during oral arguments on Aug. 8 in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit.

But Pfizer still insists that no one was forced to take the vaccine, JD
w/Bret Weinstein easily debunk that shit

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That phrase has been misused and therefore been made meaningless when uttered by the corporate media. 'Following the science' used to be a good thing if done with honest intent. But when the scientific endeavor is corrupted by the profit motive, all bets are off. This is unfortunate because it means ordinary people have to determine which scientist is honest and which is not. This is a difficult determination to make but one that must be done for our individual well being. I am having to make these kind of judgements constantly as I take elderly relatives to medical appointments, and ER visits. I am horrified by what I have encountered in this process.

Look what the 'establishment' figures have done to those who run counter to the "consensus driven scientific evidence" https://covid19criticalcare.com/two-leading-covid-19-doctors-are-facing-...

Thanks for the info ggersh, I hope the news travels far and wide.

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The ABIM Credentials and Certification Committee has recommended that FLCCC co-founders, Paul Marik, MD and Pierre Kory, MD, MPA should have their ABIM certifications revoked for spreading what the committee considers “false or inaccurate medical information.” The committee concluded that the published peer-reviewed, clinical, and observational data that create the foundation of FLCCC protocols, educational materials and public statements are not “consensus driven scientific evidence.” In reaching their recommendation, the committee cites NIH and CDC guidelines as well as several studies that have been largely disproven or questioned for their glaring flaws, conflicts of interest or poor design.

Science isn’t determined true or false by consensus you dolts. It’s determined by facts.

And how wheezy is this?

Additionally, the committee cites a National Public Radio story that was later corrected for falsely reporting that overdosing of ivermectin was causing a surge in emergency room admittance.

In other words they are trying to say that Marik and McCullough have already been proven to give out false information when it was the corporate media including Rachel Maddow that made the claim. In case you missed the story about hospital ERs were being overwhelmed because people were overdosing on horse paste ivermectin and they showed people in coats lining up supposedly to get in the ER but couldn’t because of how many people were being treated for ODing on horse paste…which happened during the summer, but the people were wearing coats.

And any doctor currently being reprimanded for prescribing ivermectin should have their case dismissed because what the FDA just said in court.

But it’s interesting that when monoclonal antibodies and Paxvolid were approved that didn’t nullify the EAU for the jabs since they were both supposed to be treatments.

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@snoopydawg , about the ER being overwhelmed with overdoses from the medication that could not be named on social media. The propaganda and the hypocrisy is too much. That's why in the above vid that ggersh posted, Bret Weinstein is laughing. So much BS from people who should be trusted authorities. Those people deserve to loose all credibility.

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HCQ (hydroxychoroquine) also. Not to mention Vit D, Zn, iodine mouthwash/nasal spray. The disease was manageable. We just refused to manage it because the profit was in the vax and remdesiver, etc.

The Dose had its detractors, just as we do with the Ukraine proxy war.

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From Hillary losing the election to the total Russia Hoax. From the utterly obvious false flag attacks to the CIA white helmet crisis actors. From the avalanche of lies about China to the NAZI shitshow in Ukraine. From the Democratic war mongerers to the heinous Republican psychopaths. From the stability of the BRICS to the triumphant promise of the Belt and Road Initiative. We stand with the enduring truth, while the delusional slink away.

The truth, clean motives, the forces of good, and constructive benefits to humanity are obvious — and apparent — right from the very beginning. How do so many get it so wrong and wear the lies like a shroud around their necks? But right or wrong, we will all be punished by the dreadful, economic karma that will roll over us.

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Why were so many of the people who joined this blog able to see through the blatant propaganda while others were not? Also a lot of people on the way of the bern have also seen through it and many of them were members here before they moved on. Did it have something to do with the selection of members from the original members of this site when the Hillary shitshow started and they recognized fellow thinkers?

Up until the Covid pandemic started many held true to seeing through propaganda, but that seems to have split the site in twain. Lots of people were upset with what we said in the Dose which has now been proven to be accurate. Just look at how the ivermectin debacle has now turned on its head. Same thing with remdisiver and ventilators being more harmful than good. And the mRNA jabs wouldn’t work because they were non sterilizing and would drive the variants and cause ADE which seems to be why the people who had the most are now constantly getting sick with the Rona over and over or from other things.

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I did fall for a lot of the Qanon stuff when it first came out and I followed a lot of links that educated me more about what was happening, but I finally saw that it would never lead to anything and I gave up on it. But still happy with what I learned. Remember the Awan scandal that involved Debbie What’s her name Schulz and how that even though there was tons of evidence showing it was true it just folded into a distant memory.

Just wondering why we were different from so many who used to think like we did and now pro intelligence agencies, pro war, pro censorship and pro a lot of things that they used to be anti against. And can see that there is no GD difference between the two parties! Or that democrats have been lying about what they would do for us.

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and finding trusted sources. We all helped each other learn facts from a variety of sources. We all chase ideas down the wrong rabbit holes, but like SD story of Qanon, we figure it out and choose another path.

This mutual research is much of the beauty of this site. I miss several members like CB, who was so good in the dose. I think our troll burnt him out. Anyway I learned much from him...and both of you!

Thanks to you both for staying the course and continuing sharing ideas, stories, and sources. We are better together.

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if that Aussie rep had recognized in the moment that the weasel from Pfizer was deliberately taking her "forced" word so literally and dishonestly. But that's all TPTB have left now on this issue to avoid responsibility.

I will await further developments in the RW on that Ivermectin story, as I still use it weekly and would love to have my local PCP be able to prescribe it without fear of being fired from her large university employer.

Meanwhile, Dr Kory's remarks from Oct 2021 about 100-200 members of Congress (plus their families and staff) quietly taking IVM wouldn't surprise me at all. Probably many more by this time. He also notes how none have spoken publicly about it to date.

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@wokkamile I packed IVM.

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....Covid stories in the news. The reporting didn't dive too deeply into the science of the virus, but instead discussed evidence that indicates that the US will see a significant surge in Covid-19 infectious this Fall. At the same time, there is a lack of media attention about the ever evolving virus, and no one seems to have a solution "long Covid" — its chronic, long lasting form that is impacting the lives of so many. The public's growing risk from a virus that has become smarter and more infectious is not mentioned at all. Never before in modern history has there been such a level of sheer indifference to what continues to be a huge public health disaster.

Authors of the WSWS article posted below, touch on the contradictory aspects of treating or preventing Covid-19. Those who experience serious physical health damage at some point after they are vaccinated for the virus — and those who experience serious physical health damage at some point after after they are infected by Covid-19 (unvaccinated) — present very similar spontaneous disorder: heart damage, diabetes, infertility, kidney damage, blood disorders, strokes. Some researchers believe the high of excess death rates that we see globally may come from these two groups, because their deaths are very rarely reported as Covid deaths, which fits the criteria of excess deaths.

August 8 2023 — In recent weeks it has become clear that the United States, as well as Italy, Japan, Britain, Spain and other countries throughout the world are undergoing a significant new surge of the COVID-19 pandemic. This is taking place with virtually no public awareness, reporting in the corporate media or communication from government officials.

As schools reopen globally in the coming weeks after summer or winter break, hundreds of millions of children will be packed into overcrowded, poorly ventilated classrooms, deepening the current wave while society remains totally unprepared. The following data points for the US demonstrate the reality of the ongoing surge:

 Over the past six weeks, the amount of SARS-CoV-2 in wastewater has risen by 114 percent, according to Biobot Analytics. Infectious disease modeler JP Weiland estimates that this translates to roughly 419,000 Americans now being infected with COVID-19 each day and roughly 4.2 million Americans in total currently infected with the virus.

 CDC data shows that over the past month COVID-19 hospitalizations have climbed from 6,450 to 9,056 admissions per week, an increase of 40 percent.

 The Walgreens COVID-19 index now shows a nationwide positivity rate of 44.7 percent, the highest rate since the start of the pandemic. While testing is down dramatically, this elevated figure is a clear sign that a surge is underway. Southern and Southwestern states like Florida, Alabama, Texas, New Mexico, Nevada and California are most impacted, likely due to the heat wave driving people indoors, with test positivity rates above 50 percent in each state.

Scientists now attempt to estimate the spread of COVID-19 by sampling wastewater and tracking hospitalizations because the federal government has stopped counting the number of COVID-19 cases.

This is the first wave of the pandemic since the World Health Organization (WHO) and the Biden administration ended their COVID-19 public health emergency (PHE) declarations in early May, which prompted the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and other health agencies globally to stop reporting COVID-19 infections altogether.

The total lack of data has been accompanied by a media blackout. With no data or reporting, the public largely gets its information about the spread of COVID-19 on the basis of how many people they know who are ill.

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Testing, treatments and vaccines are being completely privatized and sold at marked-up prices that are unaffordable for the vast majority of the population. Under the private market, updated vaccines will not be available in the US until October at the earliest—well after the current surge—and later or never throughout the rest of the world.

Whatever limited media coverage or official statements are made on the present wave of the pandemic, they all seek to downplay its significance. In particular, there is a concerted effort to ignore the scientifically proven aftereffects of COVID-19 infections, including prolonged symptoms known as Long COVID and increased risk of medical emergencies, such as heart attacks and strokes, which are rarely recorded as official COVID-19 deaths.

Alarming recent findings include: (Continue here....)

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The Authors add: "As bad as the response was in 2020, at that time governments were forced to implement limited public health measures. Now, in the worst case scenario in which a far more dangerous variant evolves with total immune-escape, a higher fatality ratio and greater infectivity, one must assume that the response of world governments would be to do nothing. The capitalists are determined to never go back to the prior era of public health."

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was still president when all Covid restrictions were lifted like they were during Biden. Biden has been much worse on Covid than Trump was and the death toll has gone up much more than during Trump. And how many Democrats would have gotten jabbed if Trump had won the election after Biden and Harris said that they wouldn’t take the Trump jabs because they had been rushed and no one knew if they were safe or effective? Lots of people agreed with them, but in less than 30 days they were lining up for them. Make that make sense. It would have really made their heads spin if Biden then started recommending ivermectin and HCQ!

Remember when Biden dropped the mask requirement and cut the isolation days down from 14 to 5? I guess that’s following the science. Now people including doctors and nurses are required to go back to work even if they are still testing positive and feel sick.

When I started working at the hospital I got 2 weeks vacation and sick leave, but now people are lucky if they have 5 days for both and they usually have to build it up over years. Or take time off without pay. Boy the oligarchs sure have rigged things against workers very well in such a short time.

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An article printed 3/16/23 in SSRN [Social Science Research Network] titled
“Pandemic Necropolitics: Vulnerability, Resilience, and the Crisis of Marginalization in the Liberal Democratic State” (forthcoming) [Stefania Achella & Chantal Marazia, ed., Vulnerability in Post-pandemic. Medicine, Politics, Humanities] brings up similar issues as the above quoted article in WSWS. Namely that there are certain groups of people who are hit harder by this pandemic than others.

The central claim made [in the SSRN article] is that vulnerability and marginalization are products of a covert and intentional politics of death. It is also argued that for the vulnerable and marginalized, the pandemic does not demarcate between a previous normal and eventual normal state, but is rather, an escalation of a persistently abnormal state. A final claim is that reflection on the fate of the vulnerable and marginalized must resist a Kantian impulse to find and urge resilience and focus instead on a direct attack on the necropolitics that sustains suffering for this population.”

The WSWS article notes that;

Public health and sanitation are among the most critical social gains won by the working class through bitter struggle and are now being clawed back by the capitalists and their politicians globally.

Something that I notice though is that the very people who will be most negatively impacted by a society that is devoid of public health infrastructure are among those who are cheerleading its dismantling.

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Pandemic Necropolitics

Absolutely this is what the government has been practicing on its own people and not just during Covid. Denying us universal healthcare and a decent living wage just to name the obvious, but allowing big pharma to harm us while making obscene profits by making drugs that not only don’t work to fix the problem, but that also kills us. Vioxx killed 100,000 people with heart attacks and numerous other drugs have done the same. Fauci authoring AZT that he knew was toxic instead of using antibiotics and other repurposed drugs just like he did with remdisiver and ivermectin.

And you’re right about people being against things that can help all of like universal healthcare, higher wages and more unions. Instead they hate all those things because they have been told to.

And while we got daily updates on how many people died and case numbers the PTB aren’t too concerned about the number of excess deaths that are happening all over the world in countries that have high jab rates. Their silence is deafening isn’t it?

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of history Snoopy. You may have posted this article before, but it tells a scarily similar tale about the delay in treatment for AIDS. Some clinicians knew that Bactrim was an effective treatment for Pneumocystis pneumonia (PCP) but they needed help in publicizing this information and getting it accepted as a treatment option. This did not happen. According to this 2014 article in Huffington Post;

Fauci refused to acknowledge the evidence and, according to one account, even encouraged people with AIDS to stop taking treatments, like Bactrim, that weren't specifically approved for use in people with AIDS. Longtime treatment activist Richard Jefferys wrote in 2001 that Fauci "went as far as telling activists attending a 1987 meeting that there was no data to suggest PCP prophylaxis was beneficial and that it may, in fact be dangerous." Fauci's close colleague, Dr. Samuel Broder, who was head of the National Cancer Institute, even suggested -- in the absence of any evidence at all -- that the newly introduced antiretroviral, AZT, would make prophylaxis against PCP redundant!

Sonnabend wrote in 2006, "Why, in the case of AIDS, was Bactrim, a known preventative measure against PCP, introduced so many years after a need for it had been recognized? To this must be added the question of why this neglect, the consequences of which can be measured in the tens of thousands of lives lost, has received almost no attention."

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/whitewashing-aids-history_b_4762295

It made no sense to ignore frontline clinician's recommendations for treatment ideas back during the AIDS crisis just as it made no sense to actively prevent frontline clinicians from trying various treatments during COVID.

edited to add: Yes the silence is deafening about vaccine injuries, Long Covid, asymptomatic spread of Covid, the increased risk with repeat Covid infection, what happens to children who get repeat infections starting when they are so young, the serious damage this virus can do to the body with multi-organ damage, vascular damage, neurological damage, and the various mitigation measures we could take to decrease our risk of getting this disease. Silence about all of this.

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Read how the act gave big pharma immunity from almost everything they created.

Why in hell would the government give vaccine makers total immunity from liability instead of insisting that they make products that were safe unless they had ulterior motives? Seriously people should read this and see how far government has gone to make sure that anyone injured or killed by the vaccines which are really classified as counter measures.

The CARES act added more protections to the PREP act that has been modified 11 times during Covid.

And yes I have posted the article before, but I’m glad you did again in case people missed it. And almost everything Fauci did back then he has repeated doing it again.

I doubt anything will come from this, but at least it’s been said.

Shitlibs laughed at Johnson saying that it’s now okay to prescribe ivermectin. Every time they are faced with the truth about something they reject it because of…reasons. Hillary did use a private email server which was not approved. She did make up Russia gate which both Mueller and Durham showed. Vaccines don’t block infection or transmission and they are neither safe or effective. Democrats should change their avatar to ostrich because that’s what the base is.

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Also known as a midwestern doctor on substack.

The reputation of both my profession of medicine and medical science in general is in complete tatters.

I am a medical doctor. I have trained students to be a medical doctor for decades. I am very familiar with what all has happened in my own lifetime and I have studied relentlessly what has happened in previous eras.

At some point, the fundamental issue is that medicine is itself a science – but it is also an art. The art mainly has to do with dealing with the most complex creature on Earth – the human brain and the human soul. Our forebears recognized long ago that as a PHYSICIAN – you cannot deal with one and not the other. It is simply impossible.

Part of that is laying down a groundwork of basic rules that must be followed. Rules that have stood the test of time to help patients where they are, with what is going on in their lives and bodies, and to be able to deal with them as human beings, no matter what their personality type or mental issues are. No matter where their soul is at any given time. It is not easy and it takes years to get used to – but it is the only way. There are fundamental precepts that must be followed on every single encounter. You must include the patient and their family in every decision. You must be honest and truthful with them in every way. You must realize that everything we do has a possible benefit and a possible risk and you must include them in your decision making and make sure they understand all of this all of the time. Medicine is about the individual and what is best for them. Public health has exactly the same precepts, but the organism is the entire population – not just one person.

We have failed in almost every aspect in the past 3 years.

There have been two issues this week, this Ivermectin thing is one of them, that have demonstrated to me the complete moral failure of our entire apparatus. I have completely lost faith in the whole system. My faith is gone and will never return.

You simply cannot with a straight face get up in front of the country that has seen what has happened the past 3 years and announce that doctors were always allowed to prescribe Ivermectin. That we did nothing to impede this. What a total crock.

We have multiple MDs across the country to this day still dealing with board issues and hospital privileging issues because of this.

The other knee slapper going around this week is “we never forced anyone to take this vaccine.” First of all, that commentary, it seems to me, would not be a defense posture emanating from a safe vaccine. It seems to me that you would not have to be verbalizing that if everything was A-OK.

But more importantly, I have had to deal with the human tragedies the mandates have caused over the past few years. Not the least of which is the continuing dumpster fire that our hospitals and clinics have become from sea to shining sea after the mass resignations they caused. But I have looked too many young fathers in the eye in my exam room to let this lie slide. As Klemperer said about European Jewry – I WILL BEAR WITNESS. They can lie all they want, the truth will out – and it will very soon be very obvious to every American what has happened.

We are currently experiencing yet another wave of COVID where I am. A previous one went through about a month or so ago. It is the exact same story – I have heard not a word from any unvaccinated patients. The ones seeming to be infected and calling for illness are the multiply vaxxed and boosted. The only ones getting admitted, as rare as it is, are the multiply vaxxed. I have had a feeling for a long time that this is selection bias as they are more likely to be baseline ill.

I continue to have the very wealthy and the very connected demanding IVM for themselves when sick. And I continue to see the same results – mostly they seem to get better much quicker.

And back to the comment above – the risk of this med is ZERO. It seems to have some benefit. I explain this graphically every time I give it to someone. They are often using all kinds of other supplements as well. Their family members who take Paxlovid seem to take longer to get better. I have been doing this for 30 years – I am able to make patterns in my practice like this and act accordingly. I will assure you, I am not a lunatic. I am doing my best to help the people in my care.

The past few months I have had multiple med students from coastal elite universities here. True believers in the “safe and effective” mantra, and the “IVM is horsepaste” mantra.

But now they are out in flyover in the real country, uncloistered from all the Pharma reps and shills back home in Big Med. Twice now, they have been in rooms with me with parents and young male patients with disabling myocarditis. Stunned that this was “like a real issue, man”. I have implored them every month to keep their eyes out for any unvaxxed COVID positive patient. At the end of the month, they are mystified that they are not to be found. But most importantly, they are the ones who follow up with phone calls on all the COVID patients – and can clearly see that the few who are on the horse paste do seem to be getting better much more solidly than others.

I would love to have trials for this drug and COVID. Real trials that were unbiased and helpful. No such trials exist – other than multiple positive ones from all over the world that our authorities have dismissed. The TOGETHER trial that was heralded as the nail in the coffin was horrendously done. It did not really answer any of the questions. Most importantly, they have refused to release the raw data. That is a bright burning red flag. But the nuclear red flag is the sponsorship of the study by FTX and SBF. What the hell is a corrupt political money laundering unit doing sponsoring a trial of this import?

The critics argue – YOU DO NOT HAVE A MECHANISM – HOW DOES THIS EVEN WORK – WHAT A JOKE. HOW CAN A WORM PILL WORK OF A VIRUS? Excuse me, how is this any different than countless other drugs in my lifetime – and why is Ivermectin being singled out for ridicule in this way?

Just this week – trumpeted by our MSM for days – was the somewhat flimsy study showing the “blockbuster” effects that ozempic like drugs may have on CAD. Why are the media not demanding an exact mechanism like they did for ivermectin? Why are they not ridiculing the fact that a DM med is being used for heart disease? Why indeed?

The most damaging aspect of Ivermectin though is the ridicule and derision directed at those families who wanted it used at the end of life. After 30 years of dealing with these families, you realize how important it is for a majority of people that everything possible be done for their loved ones. And done by a trusted physician explaining everything. There are so many times in medicine that we do ALL KINDS of things at the end of life that we know are completely futile – but we are mainly treating the family members. In my entire life, this has been accepted as treating the family and their ongoing mental health more than the patient.

And here we have had all these families all over the country wanting this completely safe intervention given as a last resort. And met with derision and ridicule and even the health system getting the authorities involved. Shame on us all………how much better would it have been to sit the family down in a conference room – “Guys, we have no evidence this Ivermectin will work… none at all….but we will give it to Grandma just to see what happens…..it is a completely safe drug and who knows – it may help – it is the least we can do.” But no – we shat all over years of lived experience and threw rationality out the window. We made literal enemies of so many across this country – I hear from them a lot – their families and their church families, etc.

I am not sure the profession will survive intact from what is about to happen. This kind of stuff from the FDA this week is like pouring salt on wounds. They just cannot help themselves.

From naked capitalism post on this.

I will post this elsewhere if it doesn’t get eyes on it. I think it’s that important. I think that the dumpster fire that hospitals have become was done deliberately to crash the medical system that has been being destroyed for decades with hospitals closing and making less beds available including ICU beds. And hedge funds buying up both hospitals and doctor practices and making doctors nothing more than just people who will follow rules that are intended to increase profits whether that risks people’s lives or wellbeing.

And didn’t anyone find it strange that all of a sudden the government was concerned about our health and that’s why it mandated the jabs instead of giving us universal healthcare which would have helped a hell of a lot more? But the biggest creepiness that came from the epidemic was that the government paid hospitals more if a patient got a Covid diagnosis and then they were put on the most expensive protocols instead of if the patient walked out alive and fully healed? Covid was cover for money laundering. 100 people became fcking billionaires while more people were dumped into poverty!

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Covid was cover for money laundering

FDA In Court For the Ivermectin Statements
"Dr Bean" starts in on YT regulations before dealing with the lawsuit.

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@snoopydawg @snoopydawg , his post is good. I follow his essay's pretty regularly because he has interesting insights and oftentimes helpful information. Aside from the argument of whether or not IVM is effective or not, this point that IM Doc makes about using every tool in the toolbox that may help (but not hurt) the patient, is the perfect example of why MD's in general need the room and ability to treat the patient as they deem necessary. These types of decisions are the ones that should be left up to the doctor in consultation with the patient and family.

After 30 years of dealing with these families, you realize how important it is for a majority of people that everything possible be done for their loved ones. And done by a trusted physician explaining everything. There are so many times in medicine that we do ALL KINDS of things at the end of life that we know are completely futile – but we are mainly treating the family members. In my entire life, this has been accepted as treating the family and their ongoing mental health more than the patient.

On a slightly different topic, Dr. Pierre Korry has an article up in USA Today about excess deaths but he has an important qualifier to that article in his Susbstack piece regarding the USA Today one.
https://pierrekory.substack.com/p/i-published-an-op-ed-in-usa-today
It's worth a read.

Thanks for the conversation Snoopy, I couldn't keep up with you yesterday.... Smile so I will continue to mull over some of what you wrote. Thanks again.
edited for clarity (I hope)

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essays and comments is his genuine caring for his patients and the doctors who he trains. I did see the USA article and was surprised that it got published. I think enough people were able to read behind the lines and understand what it was that happened 3 years ago that is causing lots of excess deaths. But even when things are spelled out some people will just not let go of the narrative. If you read the comments in the NC article on ivermectin there are 3 people that still think it doesn’t work and shouldn’t be used.

I don’t know if this media covered the FDA hearing but the shitlibs think that Johnson just made up the fact that they said that doctors should be allowed to use it and they still think it’s only horse paste. They will never be reached.

IM doc said that he isn’t seeing unjabbed patients being constantly sick or having any of the problems his jabbed patients are having. Shitlibs are complaining that they are on their 4-5th infection and they can’t wait to get the new jab coming soon. I’d think they would start questioning why the jab hasn’t worked and why they keep getting sick. It’s so obvious to me what the problem is.

I hope people have read the PREP act article to see how bad the act is. It’s an eye opener.

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The Destruction of American Health Care

This is how corrupt medicine is today in the United States. Over the course of my life I have watched the collapse of medical practice in the US. Doctors were in private practice. You had a personal relationship with them. They knew how to diagnose. Poor people weren’t charged. The doctors added a little to rich people’s bills. The doctor was focused on your health, not his pocketbook.

Today medical schools teach doctors, who are increasingly corporate employees thanks to Obamacare and other legislation designed to destroy private practice, to type the patients reported symptoms into his laptop and prescribe the drugs that Big Pharma recommends. This kind of medicine can be automated.

In the US doctors have become employees. They cannot use their judgment but must follow protocols. Doctors who rejected the death-dealing Covid protocols and saved patients’ lives with Ivermectin and HCQ were fired. If they were in private practice, they were hauled before corrupt medical boards whose pockets were lined by Big Pharma.

Cat scans, MRIs, and blood analysis are wonderful tests for diagnostics, but technology aside medical practice in the US is failing fast. With the rapid expansion of corporate medicine doctors are being turned into profit centers. Their job is to hand the patient a Big Pharma prescription and rush to the next patient.

One way that Big Pharma, using its political campaign contributions, is closing down private medical practice is by getting Congress to pass legislation that results in corporate billings to insurance companies and Medicare being paid a larger percentage of the billed amount than private practices. The consequence has been the sale of private practices and their incorporation into corporate medicine.

What this means is that “our representatives” in Congress are not our representatives. They are Big Pharma’s representatives and representatives for others who finance their election campaigns. Big Pharma’s representatives have centralized our health care and turned it against us by turning health care into just another monetized commodity.

I’m guessing that most people here remember when healthcare was nothing like it is today and that back then you got to choose any doctor you wanted to see and you just paid your copay and didn’t have to worry about your claim being denied. I worked in healthcare my entire life and I watched how the insurance industry changed and got worse with each change that came along. And who made the changes possible? Our own damned government of course. Why? Because they were bribed to do it by the medical industrial complex. So what is it going to be like in 10 years? In 20?

One other thing. Congress keeps bitching about how much of the budget Medicare costs. So why did they allow for the biggest payments to hospitals if people were put on the most expensive Covid protocols? Why maybe to further deplete the money in the Medicare program….hey just because I’m cynical….

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@snoopydawg I went over and read Yves' comments and thread at NC. So, so good.

I could be mis-remembering, but it seems that a mechanism of action that IVM uses is as a Protease inhibitor. The way the virus attaches to a cell is a neat lock and key. The IVM provides a protein chain which effectively blocks the receiver site by laying in a long chain protein across the lock. This is really old back of the brain info but I remember either Dr. John or Dr. Mobeen showing drawings depicting this idea.

I had no idea IM Doc and A Midwestern Doc (AMD) are the same person.

Terrific stuff. Thank you.

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if it is true the unjabbed aren't getting sick. It doesn't help that the data collection is compromised. Dr. Kory explains how even in hospitals, the patient data is intentionally misleading. You were not able to tell, as a physician, which patients had had a jab and which ones didn't. It was obfuscated, on purpose, in the patient's records.

I will read that Jessica Rose link. Thanks for that. It looks long but interesting.

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Hospitals get to claim that patients are unjabbed if people got their jabs at places besides hospitals, but inside the charts nurses write down that they have gotten one. And lots of doctors and hospitals treated the unjabbed patients differently than those who they knew were jabbed. Lots of doctors said that they wouldn’t even see people who weren’t jabbed and of course lots of people including the media said that unjabbed people should be sent to the back of the line if hospitals were overwhelmed. Right out of the 3rd Reich playbook. I never thought I’d see this in America. But it happened.

I see lots of people saying that anything that happens to the jabbed makes them happy and I’m appalled that they can say that when we know that many people who didn’t want to take it were forced to or they would lose their jobs and not be able to take care of their families. It’s just as sickening as those who cheered when the unjabbed died. What the fcking hell happened to people? And I’m betting every one of them thought that there was no way that they would be the good Germans. They failed!

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and one I think we are all grappling with. It’s hard to make sense at a highly surreal time.

“What happened to everyone?”.

Yet, it is also empowering to become more and more dependent on the logic and sentiments that guide us individually.

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As valid today as when it was first published in 1841.

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How many people turned their thinking skills on its head just so that they wouldn’t be excluded from others and then started believing in the narrative. So many people who refused to get jabbed paid a high price for it because they lost friends and family who believed what the government told them to? Or even lost their jobs and careers that they had spent a lifetime in and even higher costs. I really don’t see how we can come back from what the split has caused. But I’m sure that the PTB aren’t too concerned about it. Just more division.

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