Whilst the Democrats Scream "Russia" The CIA....
States what they have been doing for decades:
In response to Assange's news conference, CIA spokeswoman Heather Fritz Horniak said: "As we've said previously, Julian Assange is not exactly a bastion of truth and integrity. Despite the efforts of Assange and his ilk, CIA continues to aggressively collect foreign intelligence overseas to protect America from terrorists, hostile nation states and other adversaries."
{note: not defensively but aggressively]
What were they up to?
Speaking during a press conference broadcast via Facebook Live, Assange on Thursday promised to give exclusive access to tech manufacturers after the latest document dump, which included allegations that the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) hacked into smartphones and computers.
The whistle-blowing site also claimed the trove of 8,000 documents proved that the CIA and British MI5 military intelligence developed malware to infiltrate Samsung smart TVs and turn them into listening devices.
They basically admitted Wikileaks information was correct
The CIA has so far declined to comment directly on the authenticity of the leak, but in a statement issued on Wednesday it said such releases are damaging because they equip adversaries "with tools and information to do us harm."
It's only a surprise and a shock to Americans when it is returned in kind.
This today was quite amazing:
WATERS: Republicans in many of these districts are considered to be very patriotic. And when their constituents, even if they’re right-wing conservatives, discover that somehow they’re protecting Putin and the Kremlin, they’re not going to like that. Because many of them think they’re more patriotic than anybody else. So Republicans cannot be caught defending Putin. And we must say that over and over again.
And for Democrats, we’ve got to stay on it. We’ve got to challenge. We can’t be intimidated. We can’t think about whether this is going to cause us to have trouble in our elections. We’ve got to go for it. I believe that African-Americans can lead this fight. And show up and show that we are as patriotic as anybody else.
Trump has been accused of McCarthyism, this by a Democrat carries the same odour. Picking one race out one way or another is dangerous in itself, divisive even.
It was if we were already at war with Russia.
Between the two all of us are suspect and the CIA has all the tools necessary coupled with a history of lying and dirty tricks to ensnare anyone they so chose.
The whole bloody lot of them make me feel ill.
What happened was: some documents the Democrats wrote themselves and didn't want Americans to read were released. They blamed losing an election on Russia for the contents of their own documents.
I'll never poo-poo an episode of the twilight zone again.
BTW Many are laughing at the circus going on. Even if this was done by THEM! and was the intent; never in their wildest imagination would they have predicted the results.
Chomsky: My guess is that most of the world is just collapsing in laughter. Suppose all the charges are true, I mean every single one, it is so amateurish by US standards that you can hardly even laugh. What the US does is the kind of thing I described in Italy in 1948. Case after case like that, not hacking or spreading rumors in the media; but saying look, we’re going to starve you to death or kill you or destroy you unless you vote the way we want. I mean that’s what we do.
Indeed, that's what we [our government] do.
I told you the Patriot Act gave too much power to the NSA.
Watch out what you wish for when the investigation starts, be careful what you chose to believe. You want impeachment, again be careful what you wish for.
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What I wish for right this moment
is to stop this ride so I can get off of it. The idiocy.
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
You and me both.
(No subject)
Dear Dems: You lost the WH, Senate, House, dozens of governors, state level SOS and AG and about 1,000 state legislative seats. Maybe...you're doing something wrong.
Or a localized Rapture, now there is a trial I would watch.
And of course news of the CIA's UMBRAGE programme,
and the conclusions to be drawn, gets buried completely in whatever passes for MSM coverage.
It's all 'your teevee might be spying on you', or some such.
(Maxine Waters sounds demented. That's pretty thin gruel the Dems are offering African Americans. Not much of a future vote winner I would think.)
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
They have become saints and saviours in Democrats eyes
Poor Maxine
Her cheese has slipped completely off her cracker. I can't figure out why her handlers have not led her away from the microphones.
As for the hearings, like all hearings in DC, they'll be spending their time looking for their asses with both hands and a flashlight. There is no direct evidence, no proof, it does not exist in the sane world. They are just praying that it sticks the way "Russia invaded Ukraine" did — if they say it often enough.
Alarmingly, I don't know if you noticed, all media references to Russia interfering with the 2016 election flipped this week into a flat declarative statement of fact. Both in print and mainstream cable, simultaneously. It was weird to behold, because it is monumentally difficult to isolate the very instant of change. It's like the uncertainty principle. But not this time. Perhaps manufactured change is easier to spot.
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The political system is what it is because the People are who they are. — Plato
@Pluto's Republic Well...she has to
Well...she has to protect Limpopo.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
We now live in an alternate universe
What a country!
"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
Have our political representatives expressed their outrage
and promised to investigate and stop this invasion of freedom?
Maybe I missed that story.
They love this stuff, by that I mean they virtually all
signed up for the surveillance State
98 U.S. senators for voted in favor of the US Patriot Act of 2001
89 U.S. senators who voted in favor of the March 2, 2006 Patriot Act Reauthorizing Act
House 357 for 66 against and 280 v 138.
If it wasn't for the CIA
where would America get all that cheap heroin, huh?
Have you thought of that?
The wonderful War on Drugs nearly as profitable as the
wonderful War on Terror. Both with endless possibilities.
The DEA?
The US would be unbearable without drugs.
Just ask white men between the ages of 45 and 65 — if they haven't yet succumbed to the premature death epidemic sweeping America.
A sad demographic.
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The political system is what it is because the People are who they are. — Plato
Right on the cusp of it
Since I just turned 40 last year.
Drugs help, a lot, but only the drugs the Politicians want to prosecute me for.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
@Pluto's Republic It actually is
It actually is unbearable without drugs.
That's why, when they really want the shit to hit the fan, they'll cut off our access to both antidepressants and weed.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
If they cut off anti-depressants, the US is finished.
However, I am told the nation's water supply contains ample SSRIs to keep us going indefinitely. It turns out it's a sustainable system. People just pee it out and the drug is reclaimed and redistributed through the water supply. Rinse. Repeat.
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The political system is what it is because the People are who they are. — Plato
@Pluto's Republic
Unfortunately, the antidepressants in the water system seems to make a number of the fish either suicidal or apt to go for their guns while at malls/schools...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
"white men between the ages of 45 and 65"
Huh! So now is when I get my equal opportunity fulfullment? To die! Heh thanks a lot. My entire working career was considered Head of Household, "an unmarried woman" on every mortgage contract, shit like that. Torches of Freedom baby!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_of_the_Woman my ass.
How many are now entrenched millionaires, but more importantly, what are they doing with it? Pulling up the ladder behind them, that's what. Only room for the Kamala Harris-like puppets now. Disgusting, but equal!
It's Official: Clinton's Popular Vote Win Came Entirely From California. Sorry about that!
I hear you:
That's been my observation. There's no good old girls club on the corporate ladder, that's for sure.
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The political system is what it is because the People are who they are. — Plato
@eyo
Oh, good, with all of these poors perishing prior to reaching what used to be termed 'retirement age', there's no problem with disposing of SS and Medicare.
Gee, Silicon Valley territory, with all of the White-House-linked Google workers and lots of Dems already practiced at rigging primaries went big for Clinton?
Very interesting history given here - although I can't locate any links being given, or the video which was to be published but which doesn't appear to be included with the article. (I did, however, notice a number of interesting Clinton articles abruptly vanish, magically becoming blank pages with telling URLs, etc., from the net, during the primary and even while I was looking for/at them, so dunno if the video mentioned was ever on this page and 'was vanished' or how accurate this is, [sounds feasible, but who knows anymore?] so if anyone knows/feels like researching???)
http://www.madcowprod.com/2016/06/09/hey-california-election-rigged/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_fraud
But Our North American Corporate Overlords certainly won't even 'allow' us this.
I signed a petition to the Canadian Liberals to keep their word (lol, they have people who dust regularly and chuck that sort of garbage promise regularly) on having a fair vote system set up before the next election and they simply - having provided grim Harper-style warnings about anyone sending a 2nd petition signature being denied access forever - failed to send the verifying key to have my signature accepted, with no means of directly accessing them to say WTF. And they will continue to claim that nobody's interested in a Fair Vote system, even though that's a major part of what apparently (Harper didn't pass an 'law' gagging Elections Canada from informing the public about electoral fraud just before the election for no reason) suckered a number of people into strategic-voting for InJustice Tru-don't over the NDP, in the effort to eliminate the Cons.
But they wouldn't have gone through with this anyway, as the Koch brothers and corporate/billionaire others now running the whole mess would see this as a waste, since they'll be cheating anyway (bet they declare a landslide for Harper, lol,) and are trying to trap us in a duopoly, presumably to keep bribe costs down while they still bother faking elections. US (and European) corporations and billionaires, exporting
UScorporate-style 'democracy' all over the world...Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
"But first, a brief criminal history"
thanks for everything you wrote, and the links. Oh Canada. Anyway, that part quoted in the Subject made me LOL! Pfft how many companies have that? Too many I'd say, and they keep getting bigger, and going in to government. There ought to be a law against it!
Solidarity
Peace
US war mongers again in charge in Washington
Just as Russia and Syrian Arab Army bringing peace to Syria, US war mongers going to re-escalate the conflict.
Watch these smiles turn again to tears.
@CB
Yeah, and Al-Queda had to ask the US for military protection in Syria. Must be some of the 'threatened US interests' in other people's country where neither terrorists nor 'US controlling interests' were welcome.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Interesting article with poll about American aggression
@CB
It's propaganda, endless freaking propaganda campaigns, not 'hardwiring'. There are recovery programs which involve, in part, stopping the freaking propaganda and enforcing real actual news on the 'news'.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Yep. It's geopolitically noticeable.
BTW Many are laughing at the circus going on.
Many are also dumping their Treasuries and reserves, and are buying gold instead. Finally.
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The political system is what it is because the People are who they are. — Plato
Oops
There. Fixed that for you, Heather.
"Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep."
~Rumi
"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone
I gotta admit I was thinking that just earlier
Someone was arguing with me about Russia and I asked for evidence. As "evidence" they pointed out the reports from the intelligence community. My response was that there was no evidence in those reports. There was an appeal to authority. But I don't trust that authority so the appeal has no merit. More to the point, given the well documented history of these groups, NOBODY should trust them.
If the intelligence community wants to pony up with their evidence and have it evaluated in the clear light of day then I'm all ears. Until then, no appeal to their authority could possibly influence me.
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
@SnappleBC I seriously don't get
I seriously don't get this sudden view of the CIA as the source of all that's holy and true. And it seems to be Democrats -- supposed "liberals" -- who are doing it. They seem to have come unhinged.
"Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep."
~Rumi
"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone
@Centaurea Was that...the CIA
Was that...the CIA calling out someone else as a liar?
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal
Wasn't there some apocryphal tale about how to tell which of two brothers was the one who always lied and which the one which was always truthful, so as to get the correct directions to some place of safety? Helps if you start knowing that one has always been accurate and the other lies like a doormat, though, assuming you like hints and are not personally interested in maintaining dissimulation in the cause of personally profitable destructive injustice.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.