When Republicans pay attention to facts

Submitted by Cassiodorus on Fri, 02/25/2022 - 1:03pm

Hi everyone -- it appears that the CBO, led by Republicans, has issued a report offering a cost-benefit analysis of single payer. Oh well. Y'all have joined political parties which advocate it, right?

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Submitted by ovals49 on Fri, 02/25/2022 - 2:03pm

MFA is a popular dangle for votes, even with some Republicans.

The Peoples Party Platform supports Medicare for All as well as the Green’s.

Access to clean air, clean water, nutritious food and health care is a human right. Everyone deserves an opportunity to grow and live in a safe and healthy physical and psychological environment.
We spend more on health care than the citizens of any other developed country. American drug companies discriminate against their own citizens, charging us up to 10 times more than what they charge Canadians and the people of other developed countries. Every year, thousands of people die in hospital beds a few feet away from the medicine that would have saved their lives because they could not satisfy the pharmaceutical industry’s greed. We must place human life above profit and put an end to this with Medicare for all, a single payer system that covers prenatal, mental, vision, dental, preventive care, prescription drugs and all other medical needs.

The question remains if the re-election money spigot will dry up if a candidate actually works toward making it happen. It appears most will not take that chance to find out.

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“ …and when we destroy nature, we diminish our capacity to sense the divine,and understand who God is, and what our own potential is and duties are as human beings.- RFK jr. 8/26/2024

Submitted by snoopydawg on Fri, 02/25/2022 - 7:31pm

Yeah but if we get MFA

then what will democrats run on then? Hey maybe canceling student loans. California has a dem majority and still won’t pass it. For the 3rd time democrats in congress have a majority and yet… Hillary was right.

"Single payer will never, ever happen here!"

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There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?

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Submitted by on the cusp on Fri, 02/25/2022 - 11:30pm

Hillary knows WAY more than we do.

@snoopydawg We know it saves everybody $, including the government, but that has little to do with the plan of TPTB. She spewed it out. The truth. Just not the why of it.

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981

Submitted by Pluto's Republic on Sat, 02/26/2022 - 2:38am

Is the fight for Human rights in the US worth the effort?

@snoopydawg

....I believe that time for social enightment has passed, here. There is no real passion for this paradigm — certainly not coming from a people who are convinced that they already have the best Human Rights that money can buy. Their belief in this is so great, that they are willing to invade other nations and destroy elected governments just to bring human rights to others (along with Liberty and a set of boot straps).

A young US educated person, today, might somehow notice that Americans have what may be the worst labor laws and rights in the developed or emerging world. This, despite the many who protested and died fighting for the inadequate improvements American workers do have. This socially-responsive young person might be motivated to devote their future political efforts to turn that situation around.

Or perhaps they notice, instead, that the US is the ONLY nation without a national system of medical care for all. Even Afghanistan and Iraq had universal health care during the past 20 years. Or, maybe this young person sees that the US is the only nation that does not offer its people the Human Right to affordable housing. This absense of the basic right to housing in the US is so glaring an injustice, that the United Nations has periodically censored the United States for violating the Human Rights of its people, from the 1950s to as recently as 2018.

If a young person today committed themselves to fight to eliminate any one of these degrading conditions in the US — sixty years later, we would find a delusional old person, who is still fighting the same old fight, still planning to vote because ... Democracy. A lifetime of energy and effort wasted on a political dead end. They will not see it that way. And that is a blessing. But what if they had chosen to stand on the shoulders of responsible visionaries rather than the shoulders of corporate-owned swamp creatures? What if they had chosen to migrate like their ancestors did, to a place that was already better?. Who knows what they might have done with their talent and passion, if they hadn't wasted it fighting against a dystopia.

There are opportunities everywhere in the world for scientists and the technologically savvy, for entrepreneurs and the self-employed. Places that love peace, respect humanity, and invest in bettering the lives of their people. The US is the first corporate-owned civilization. The People are the livestock — heavily incarcerated, media-immersed, and working to pay for 100 percent of US defense spending out of their pockets and out of their futures.

What is the point? The People get very little of what they need to succeed in return. No college. No health care. No place to live. No right to life. No economic security. That's how you know its a fake democracy.

/rant

Submitted by ovals49 on Sat, 02/26/2022 - 5:23am

At the risk of sounding like a jerk,

@Pluto's Republic
what does the notion of “Human rights” even mean? To my ear it’s just the notion of “American Exceptionalism” zoomed out a notch. Life does not hand out guarantees of any sort, or special dispensations or privileges to particular life forms. What makes humans think they are more special than all other life forms? Do we even understand what it means to be pro-life on the planetary scale or any other scale for that matter? I think not. Our hubris knows no bounds.

Humans may have some extraordinary possibilities, ones that do not involve abusing the planet or each other, but I see no evidence that we are constructively evolving in that direction. Without understanding how humans might fit in to this vast collection of life forms that call Earth home, we will very likely continue destroying it.

All life forms are interconnected and interdependent. We stand alone at the pinnacle of life only in our delusions thoughts. We are idiots of the first order.

#2

....I believe that time for social enightment has passed, here. There is no real passion for this paradigm — certainly not coming from a people who are convinced that they already have the best Human Rights that money can buy. Their belief in this is so great, that they are willing to invade other nations and destroy elected governments just to bring human rights to others (along with Liberty and a set of boot straps).

A young US educated person, today, might somehow notice that Americans have what may be the worst labor laws and rights in the developed or emerging world. This, despite the many who protested and died fighting for the inadequate improvements American workers do have. This socially-responsive young person might be motivated to devote their future political efforts to turn that situation around.

Or perhaps they notice, instead, that the US is the ONLY nation without a national system of medical care for all. Even Afghanistan and Iraq had universal health care during the past 20 years. Or, maybe this young person sees that the US is the only nation that does not offer its people the Human Right to affordable housing. This absense of the basic right to housing in the US is so glaring an injustice, that the United Nations has periodically censored the United States for violating the Human Rights of its people, from the 1950s to as recently as 2018.

If a young person today committed themselves to fight to eliminate any one of these degrading conditions in the US — sixty years later, we would find a delusional old person, who is still fighting the same old fight, still planning to vote because ... Democracy. A lifetime of energy and effort wasted on a political dead end. They will not see it that way. And that is a blessing. But what if they had chosen to stand on the shoulders of responsible visionaries rather than the shoulders of corporate-owned swamp creatures? What if they had chosen to migrate like their ancestors did, to a place that was already better?. Who knows what they might have done with their talent and passion, if they hadn't wasted it fighting against a dystopia.

There are opportunities everywhere in the world for scientists and the technologically savvy, for entrepreneurs and the self-employed. Places that love peace, respect humanity, and invest in bettering the lives of their people. The US is the first corporate-owned civilization. The People are the livestock — heavily incarcerated, media-immersed, and working to pay for 100 percent of US defense spending out of their pockets and out of their futures.

What is the point? The People get very little of what they need to succeed in return. No college. No health care. No place to live. No right to life. No economic security. That's how you know its a fake democracy.

/rant

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“ …and when we destroy nature, we diminish our capacity to sense the divine,and understand who God is, and what our own potential is and duties are as human beings.- RFK jr. 8/26/2024

Submitted by Pluto's Republic on Sat, 02/26/2022 - 7:01pm

It refers to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights

@ovals49

After the UN was formed, there was a three-year effort at the UN to compile a list of individual Rights that a human being anywhere in the world should be afforded. Ever member country of the UN participated in writing it. Finally, this Declaration was passed unanimously in 1948 at the General Assembly in Paris. The Chair of the committee was Eleanor Roosevelt.

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights remains, today, the seminal document underling Human Rights law throughout the world. It has become one of the guiding principles in the UN Charter. The office of the UDHR is a special division at the UN that is involved in ongoing development projects. Its researchers measure international compliance with Human Rights and publish extensive reports.

Human Rights research done by the UN is directly related to the work done by the prestigious Council on Human Rights at the UN. From the beginning, the office of the UDHR has assisted nations that are revising or writing new constitutions. (Most of the world's constitutions are modern, relevant documents.)

In the US, Human Rights are virtually unknown, and it is not uncommon for Americans to be unfamiliar with this important part of history. Human Rights are never taught or mentioned in US schools. Of the 30 or so basic Human Rights that are described in the UDHR, the American people enjoy fewer than 10 of them. While the US had a permanent seat at the Human Rights Council (until Donald Trump came along), the US has notoriously refused to ratify any further agreements on Human Rights. President Trump resigning from the Human Rights Council was one of the most Intellectually honest gestures a US President has made at the UN.

I know I didn't answer your question. I came to terms with our human extinction event a long time ago, when I recognized the catastrophic overpopulation of the planet. Moreover, the tragic injustice of human greed that elbows so may other species into extinction. I don't like to dwell on that part.

Homo sapiens had a million years to get it right, and the last 100,000 years to refine themselves into a state of enlightened self-awareness. It's clear now that we are a runaway genetic mutation, no different than the coronavirus. We replicate ourselves like fools, and then fight over the diminishing resources that result. We have damaged the biome that kept us alive, within a delicate range of conditions. But we denied what we were doing until it was much too late to alter course. We are overwhelmed completely by the psychopaths in our midst, which we produce in copious numbers. We worship them.

Humans are a genetic flaw.

It may take another million years for the planet to recover. And it will.

There must be countless incubator planets out there that get conscious life right.

Submitted by Sima on Sat, 02/26/2022 - 5:36am

Nice rant

@Pluto's Republic
Very insightful.

#2

....I believe that time for social enightment has passed, here. There is no real passion for this paradigm — certainly not coming from a people who are convinced that they already have the best Human Rights that money can buy. Their belief in this is so great, that they are willing to invade other nations and destroy elected governments just to bring human rights to others (along with Liberty and a set of boot straps).

A young US educated person, today, might somehow notice that Americans have what may be the worst labor laws and rights in the developed or emerging world. This, despite the many who protested and died fighting for the inadequate improvements American workers do have. This socially-responsive young person might be motivated to devote their future political efforts to turn that situation around.

Or perhaps they notice, instead, that the US is the ONLY nation without a national system of medical care for all. Even Afghanistan and Iraq had universal health care during the past 20 years. Or, maybe this young person sees that the US is the only nation that does not offer its people the Human Right to affordable housing. This absense of the basic right to housing in the US is so glaring an injustice, that the United Nations has periodically censored the United States for violating the Human Rights of its people, from the 1950s to as recently as 2018.

If a young person today committed themselves to fight to eliminate any one of these degrading conditions in the US — sixty years later, we would find a delusional old person, who is still fighting the same old fight, still planning to vote because ... Democracy. A lifetime of energy and effort wasted on a political dead end. They will not see it that way. And that is a blessing. But what if they had chosen to stand on the shoulders of responsible visionaries rather than the shoulders of corporate-owned swamp creatures? What if they had chosen to migrate like their ancestors did, to a place that was already better?. Who knows what they might have done with their talent and passion, if they hadn't wasted it fighting against a dystopia.

There are opportunities everywhere in the world for scientists and the technologically savvy, for entrepreneurs and the self-employed. Places that love peace, respect humanity, and invest in bettering the lives of their people. The US is the first corporate-owned civilization. The People are the livestock — heavily incarcerated, media-immersed, and working to pay for 100 percent of US defense spending out of their pockets and out of their futures.

What is the point? The People get very little of what they need to succeed in return. No college. No health care. No place to live. No right to life. No economic security. That's how you know its a fake democracy.

/rant

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If you're poor now, my friend, then you'll stay poor.
These days, only the rich get given more. -- Martial book 5:81, c. AD 100 or so
Nothing ever changes -- Sima, c. AD 2020 or so

Submitted by Snode on Sat, 02/26/2022 - 7:19am

Good Rant!

@Pluto's Republic

"What is the point? The People get very little of what they need to succeed in return. No college. No health care. No place to live. No right to life. No economic security. That's how you know its a fake democracy."

Exactly. I would think in a democracy that voters would vote for policies that would benefit themselves, like the list above. Otherwise, why have a government? In that our government only responds in a meaningful way to wealthy donors and party bosses it's becoming apparent that Team Red and Team Blue have the same goals. Corruption and all the graft it can collect. Sad to think that's what our elections are about.

#2

....I believe that time for social enightment has passed, here. There is no real passion for this paradigm — certainly not coming from a people who are convinced that they already have the best Human Rights that money can buy. Their belief in this is so great, that they are willing to invade other nations and destroy elected governments just to bring human rights to others (along with Liberty and a set of boot straps).

A young US educated person, today, might somehow notice that Americans have what may be the worst labor laws and rights in the developed or emerging world. This, despite the many who protested and died fighting for the inadequate improvements American workers do have. This socially-responsive young person might be motivated to devote their future political efforts to turn that situation around.

Or perhaps they notice, instead, that the US is the ONLY nation without a national system of medical care for all. Even Afghanistan and Iraq had universal health care during the past 20 years. Or, maybe this young person sees that the US is the only nation that does not offer its people the Human Right to affordable housing. This absense of the basic right to housing in the US is so glaring an injustice, that the United Nations has periodically censored the United States for violating the Human Rights of its people, from the 1950s to as recently as 2018.

If a young person today committed themselves to fight to eliminate any one of these degrading conditions in the US — sixty years later, we would find a delusional old person, who is still fighting the same old fight, still planning to vote because ... Democracy. A lifetime of energy and effort wasted on a political dead end. They will not see it that way. And that is a blessing. But what if they had chosen to stand on the shoulders of responsible visionaries rather than the shoulders of corporate-owned swamp creatures? What if they had chosen to migrate like their ancestors did, to a place that was already better?. Who knows what they might have done with their talent and passion, if they hadn't wasted it fighting against a dystopia.

There are opportunities everywhere in the world for scientists and the technologically savvy, for entrepreneurs and the self-employed. Places that love peace, respect humanity, and invest in bettering the lives of their people. The US is the first corporate-owned civilization. The People are the livestock — heavily incarcerated, media-immersed, and working to pay for 100 percent of US defense spending out of their pockets and out of their futures.

What is the point? The People get very little of what they need to succeed in return. No college. No health care. No place to live. No right to life. No economic security. That's how you know its a fake democracy.

/rant

Submitted by Cassiodorus on Sat, 02/26/2022 - 11:54am

Why bother with political promises --

@Snode if all you're going to do in the end is pander to party-line voters?

This is the question everyone running for office should be asking.

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“When there's no fight over programme, the election becomes a casting exercise. Trump's win is the unstoppable consequence of this situation.” - Jean-Luc Melanchon

Submitted by Snode on Sat, 02/26/2022 - 1:11pm

Hmmm

@Cassiodorus If they didn't pander and promise, would they have anything to say to us at all? I mean besides the lies and misdirection.

Submitted by Cassiodorus on Sat, 02/26/2022 - 11:48am

Both Dems and Reps are running on nothing this year

@snoopydawg Reps: "How can you trust these people when they break all of their promises?"
Dems: "We broke all of our promises but at least we're better than the Reps."

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“When there's no fight over programme, the election becomes a casting exercise. Trump's win is the unstoppable consequence of this situation.” - Jean-Luc Melanchon

Submitted by snoopydawg on Sat, 02/26/2022 - 5:21pm

That seems to sum up the last few decades

@Cassiodorus

It’s past time for people to start seeing it.

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There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?

Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.