What if Hillary won?

What if Hillary won?
There are almost too many unknowns about that question to count.
However, there are a few items that I can predict with confidence. Specifically, the response of the establishment Democrats. You can see it in yesterday's election.

Democratic National Committee Chair Tom Perez heralded Democrat Ralph Northam’s win in Virginia as “a blueprint for what we’re doing everywhere.”

Ralph Northam is a centrist, establishment Democrat, exactly the kind of candidate that the Third Way has been pushing for decades, and losing with.

“Look at Virginia right now,” Greenberg said, as soon as we sat down in his second-floor office. “We have a candidate”—Ralph Northam, the Democratic gubernatorial nominee—“running as Hillary Clinton. He is running on the same kind of issues, and has the same kind of view of the world. It’s the Republicans who talk about the economy, not the Democrats.”

Guess what? Trump and the GOP is so unpopular that a Hillary Clinton candidate finally won.
Thus eight years of getting annihilated, plus rigging the primaries, is suddenly forgotten. It's time to move on.

Groundhog Day is over for the Democratic Party.
With Democrat Ralph Northam’s easy win over Republican Ed Gillespie in Virginia’s governor race, the party poked its head out of its hole and saw no shadow.
Now, the 2016 election can finally end. Please.

Forget the DNC corruption. We can just ignore massive electoral corruption. Besides, the news media will ignore it too.
Forget that the Democrat have literally never been more unpopular.
Forget that Dems have become so right-wing that labor unions are supporting Republicans.
We finally got a win, baby! That'll shut up those progressives.

If Hillary won, the growing progressive insurgency would never have happened.
What would have happened is a repeat of 2009, when then-White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel infamously said that progressives are “fucking retarded.”

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Hillbilly Dem's picture

corporate DNC and all of its acolytes will see this as a vindication. This will PROVE that "Trump Bad" is a dead bang winning strategy. It will also guarantee that the Dems will get clobbered in next year's mid-terms.

Jimmy Dore said it best. On one of his shows this week, he put it out there again that the Dems do not care if they win; in fact, they may actually want to lose. He said (paraphrased)...Think about it. If a fight is rigged, who gets paid the most? The winner or the loser?

And Jimmy's right. It's the guy who takes the dive who winds up rich, not the "winner" of the fight. Sound like the Dems at the national level? It sure does to me.

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"Just call me Hillbilly Dem(exit)."
-H/T to Wavey Davey

dkmich's picture

@Hillbilly Dem

Dems are going to claim this ping-ponging backlash as support for the party and Pelosi's claim that Dem's don't have to change a thing because Trump and the GOP will send the voters screaming back into the arms of the Democratic Party just like Obama and the Clintons sent them screaming into the arms of Trump and the GOP. This is no victory. It is a recurring nightmare.

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ZimInSeattle's picture

@Hillbilly Dem

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"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - JFK | Bernie would have WON!

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Sigh

detroitmechworks's picture

I expected that there would have been a lot more "Law and Order" tough person posturing if she had won. Just going with the history of the Clintons of course, and assuming they would do the same shit. And War. There would have absolutely been a war.

Of course, the 11 months of hippie punching would have continued. That's just standard practice.

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I don't Blame Christians. I Blame Stupid. Which Sadly, is a much more popular religion these days.

After Donna Brazile and Elizabeth Warren said they were shocked, shocked that the Democratic Primary was rigged. The brain washers and brain washed there were saying that we shouldn't talk about that now because our disunity might cause the Republicans to win the Virginia governor and other elections yesterday. OK, so now those elections are over. Is it time talk to about the corruption and fraud yet?

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detroitmechworks's picture

@Timmethy2.0 This just proved that not getting sucked in to the Right Wing Conspiracy Theory is the correct method, because it won the election.

And if you say differently, RUSSIA.

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I don't Blame Christians. I Blame Stupid. Which Sadly, is a much more popular religion these days.

thanatokephaloides's picture

@detroitmechworks

Although the GRAI tune needs no lyric translation for "those with ears to hear", one user supplied the English translation of the lyrics anyway. Here it is:

"In the arms of Mara" :

White winter came without asking
Severe she came, covered all around with silver snow
Turned to ice my soul and my heart
Chained the river with the frozen tears.
White winter brought ill thoughts.
Sun hid, there's a full moon in the sky.
In the twilight I wonder, hear death creeps silently
Snowy tempest whistles and revolves rapidly.
Relentless winter housed coldness in the heart
Cold she came, without asking
Brought sorrow, took all my force away
White winter.
Snowy fir trees shake in wind,
And fierce winter in the heart doesn't come to end.
Blizzard knocked to the window unexpectedly
Cruel winter.
And I can't sleep, blizzard charmed the soul.
Winter took away the beloved friend.
Evil winter's sorcery ruined my soul,
Cruel winter took me in the Mara's arms.

-- Sergey Ivanov

Smile

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"Some members of the government are now investigating opioid pain killers but they are investigating the wrong thing. Despair-masking drugs are not the problem. Despair is."
-- featheredsprite

QMS's picture

@detroitmechworks

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Send the military madness to the shrink. Sanity is peace.

mimi's picture

about that new "First Lady" we would have gotten... the same way I was scared about the First Lady when he had won ...

I have difficulties to take anything serious these days, if everything is serious, taking something serious doesn't make a lot of sense anymore, does it?

Thanks for all the work you put into your writing here. I miss a bit some other issues than the ones related to the Democratic Party, DNC etc. Probably because I am far away from all of it and from where I look at it, nobody cares for the Democratic Party's inner quarrels. They seem so petty.

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"History is what the present chooses to remember" - Carl Becker

I don't watch MSNBC much, but decided to take a look to see what they were saying about the election results. Stephanie Ruhle tried to paint it as a win for
Third Way. She showed a clip of Tom Perez and was clearly miffed that he did not credit Northam's centrism for the wins. She seemed very worried about Bernie and his followers. Anyway, a lady on the panel stated that she had travelled around the country for a polling company, and voters have told her that they want people with Sanders' policies; they went to break at this statement.

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An ideologue is someone who has stopped thinking.

It would be a slow build up, but a certain point full on. Hillary might even have bombed Iran for having troops there. Probably bomb all Hezbollah positions even in Lebanon. If ISIS doesn't take over then probably a full on invasion. Putin would withdraw as the Russian military presence there is actually not very big. In terms of air power, the US could absolutely outnumber and overwhelm. Putin would probably be deposed for an ultra nationalist.

Land war on the verge of breaking out as NATO troops invade Eastern Ukraine.

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Fionnsboy's picture

@MrWebster Yup. And STILL TOP and its ilk would have supported HER! To be anti-war would be SEXIST!!!! lol

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Semper ubi sub ubi

@Fionnsboy No Russians were killed.

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lotlizard's picture

@MrWebster  
Animal rights NGO: We certify that no Russians were harmed in the making of this Washington kabuki.

TOP: Yeah, dagnabbit.

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Fionnsboy's picture

...did anyone else notice how no one in the MSM had a thing to say about the Democratic Socialist winning in VA? https://mic.com/articles/185923/democratic-socialist-candidate-lee-carte...

From what I've read elsewhere, he had very little support (if any) from 'the Party.'

He wasn't the only member of Democratic Socialists of America to win, either. But this will be ignored by the MSM, as it doesn't fit the narrative.

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Semper ubi sub ubi

Wink's picture

@Fionnsboy
this will be seen by the Dem party, TOP and the MSM not only as a referendum against Trump, but as a "makeup win" for Hillary. Possibly the "win" she needs to set Her up for 2020.

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Ravensword's picture

So, if McCain had won in 2008 and Trump in 2016, we’d be closer towards realizing a progressive utopia than we are now with only Trump winning in 2016, John?

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@Ravensword
really?

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Ravensword's picture

@gjohnsit It would seem that we have useless progressives who can’t be bothered to fight for progressive causes when there’s a Democratic administration, but when Trump gets elected, this is what lights a fire under progressives’ asses?

If Hillary won, the growing progressive insurgency would never have happened.

What a bunch of lame-ass progressives this country has if they can’t be bothered to fight for progressive causes during a Democratic administration. It’s no wonder this country is going down the tubes. There is no left in this country; just a bunch of lazy slacktavists who can only be bothered to lift a picket sign unless they are outraged enough.

Meanwhile, there’s a hard-right, anti-labor scumbag on the Supreme Court who is more than happy to hamstring unions.

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Meteor Man's picture

@Ravensword
President Mc Cain may not have been as much of a blood thirsty warmonger as Obama was. Obama gave us an eight year continuation of the Bush policies economically and militarily. A Mc Cain presidency in 2008 could very well have spurred the progressive revival in the Democratic party that is currently being attempted.

It is very possible that a Mc Cain presidency would have resulted in Bernie or Liz being elected in 2012. Reading tea leaves is fun!

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Cali Kush: a bowl a day keeps the doctor away.

@Meteor Man

President McCain may not have been as much of a blood thirsty warmonger as Obama was.

I doubt that.

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Meteor Man's picture

@gjohnsit @gjohnsit
There is no way of knowing if Mc Cain would have used drones on hospitals, weddings and funerals. Doctors Without Borders complained that a clearly marked hospital was intentionally bombed.

Trump is continuing Obama's trillion dollar modernization of our nuclear triad. It is quite easy to make the argument that Obama was one of the most militaristic presidents in American history.

There is no case at all to be made that Obama was anything other than a bloodthirsty warhawk.

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Cali Kush: a bowl a day keeps the doctor away.

@gjohnsit
President McCain (2000 version) would not have ignored the warnings, so no 9/11, no invasion of Iraq, no Patriot Act, no Obama. Of course, that could have meant President Hillary in 2008, and therefore no Earth.

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A PROUD Hillary hater since 1993

Meteor Man's picture

Maybe Iran too. Trump's phony non-interventionist foreign policy remarks during the campaign and the fact that he was a Putin bro were the reason I told people that I would have chosen Trump over Her Heinous in a two way race. Fortunately I was able to vote for Stein, for all the good that did.

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Cali Kush: a bowl a day keeps the doctor away.

Not Henry Kissinger's picture

Whoo hoo!

The ship is still sinking but at least the hull didn't open up a new leak!

(Sheesh, talk about lowered expectations.)

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I am waiting for you, Vizzini.

Creosote.'s picture

@Not Henry Kissinger
So necessary to stop all those crazy people wanting education funded, $15 an hour, and help for the homeless.

The first flyer the winner sent out showed her standing alongside Obama, both smiling broadly.

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Centaurea's picture

@Creosote. @Creosote. Seattle is a neoliberal mecca. Our governor, Jay Inslee, is a solid neoliberal who, as a superdelegate, supported Hillary despite the fact that the Washington caucuses went overwhelmingly for Bernie.

It was not surprising that Jenny Durkan won the race for Seattle mayor. Disappointing, but not surprising.

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"Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep." ~Rumi

Bollox Ref's picture

The sycophancy levels over on DailyKult would have created enough energy to light the world.

Loving photo diaries to vomit for (see Early Reign of Obama).

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Gëzuar!!

Deja's picture

@Bollox Ref
Excellent analogy!

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"The gatekeepers must change."
Prince

ggersh's picture

turd way strategy.....

JD Pritzker the multi billionaire is running the
same race here in Illinois, where the meaning of
"progressive" is being anti trump, nothing more
much less.

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“We now live in a nation where doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the press destroys information, religion destroys morals, and our banks destroy the economy.”

― Chris Hedges

We'd all be dead, ash grat impressions on the bottom of a glass lined crater.

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A PROUD Hillary hater since 1993

Not Henry Kissinger's picture

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I am waiting for you, Vizzini.

I thank the Lord every day (and i'm an atheist) that crooked Hillary did not win (or prevail in her attempt to steal it).

And it is not "unknowable" what would have happened. This would have happened:

  • War and "Regime Change" in Syria (creating mass slaughter, another failed State, and Worldwide chaos).
  • More corruption.
  • Direct War hostilities and "Cold War II" policy with Russia, putting the whole World on edge.
  • More corruption.
  • Trillions of Taxpayer dollars unnecessarily wasted Overseas (plus Funding Terrorist groups, and for Bribery).
  • The corrupt globalist TPP (Hillary's "Gold standard") would have passed, and now be the Law.
  • There would be no negotiations going on for NAFTA, or China Trade.
  • American Manufacturing would not be now gaining, but continuing its decline.
  • More corruption.
  • We would not be seeing new 3.0 and 3.1 GDP Economic Growth rates, but more stagnation.
  • The U.S. stock market would be flat .. and not at new Historic Highs.
  • Unemployment would be on the rise, and not at the lowest rate now (4.2) since the 1980s.
  • More corruption.
  • We would never know anything of what happened with Uranium One (it would be totally covered-up).
  • Jullian Assange (WikiLeaks) would be dead.
  • More corruption.
  • There would be a big puddle of semen on the White House carpet.
  • Wall Street and Global Government would get to control everything we do, and completely rob us blind with no Legal recourse in the Courts.
  • Illegal Immigration would be on the rise, instead of finally held in check.
  • Open border policy would exist, and the Globalization (and destruction) of American Industries.

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@FreeSociety numbers are completely ginned up, right? We are no where near 4.2% in reality and both sides mess around with those numbers.

As for illegal immigration, part of the reason that's going down is the shitty economy of the US - we have been in a negative net position regarding illegals for a couple years now I believe, but you'll NEVER hear that in Trump land.

And that stock market is merely in bubble land once again, frothing away as usual until the shit hits the fan. And 80% of that stock is owned by the 1%, so really, it doesn't do much for America overall but keeps our plutos happy.

But I totally and heartily agree, Her winning and I know I'd have cried like a baby on election night. And there would be very little resistance, not even the token one the Dems are working on so hard.

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