Well Kos Pours Gasoline and Lights A Match On His Own Website
It's a spinning piece of vulgarity that basically breaks all his recently stated site rules.
Misleading as to what was actually said and in what context.
What was actually said:
I think the momentum is with us. A lot of these superdelegates may rethink their position with Hillary Clinton. A have not yet declared. And then you have got superdelegates who are in states where we win by 40 or 50 points. I think their own constituents are going to say to them, hey, why don't you support the people of our state, vote for Sanders?
What Kos heard in: No, the superdelegates won't bail out Bernie
The idea that the super delegates will overturn the will of the voters is ludicrous. It was bullshit when Hillary Clinton floated this nonsense in 2008, and it’s bullshit today. As I wrote at the time:
Then the tirade went off the wall.
Sanders has built a very effective campaign by running against the party, even going so far as suing the party. So after trashing it for about a year, why would the party stalwarts who make up the ranks of the super delegates suddenly abandon the winner for him? It defies all comprehension!
Yes the one FDR Democrat running is trying to save his own party is running against it, yeah right
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A handsomely rewarded water carrier.
"Just call me Hillbilly Dem(exit)."
-H/T to Wavey Davey
I doubt if he really cares about his site thriving. As he himse,
himself said, TOP is only a sideshow (passion or whatever). He has made enough money to cover college costs for his kids (ha there - free college is a pie-in-the-sky) and set for life.
Such a Republican sentiment
Not exactly, more of a Libertarian.
That is where his roots lie. Kos is a closet Randian - except this cycle it seems he has decided to come out a bit.
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"I got mine....
screw you..."
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I thought this bit was telling
note that his source doesn't back up his inflammatory bullshit, at all.
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Bernie is a racist and a sexist everyone knows that, who
needs accurate sources
only white people like Hawaiians vote for Bernie
the thing with dumb people like Markos is that it's easy for them to come up with unbelievably dumb things. People like that, with head-shaking lack of comprehension, generally take their own motives and ascribe them to others because that's all they can understand. You tell them stuff that's obviously true and it does NOT register.
And Kos complains about those morons who watch Faux
Oh the irony! It looks like he is a lot like them in more ways than one.
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"Here I Stand, I can do no other." - Attributed to Martin Luther, 1521
that link doesnt reference
that link doesnt reference Southern states or AA's at all, like not once. I think I saw some mention in a different link but it's not that one.
some mention of southern states?
I'm trying not to click much on DK, but I'd be surprised if there was any indication that Bernie was making an argument that "southern AA voters don't count." sounds like pure BS to me.
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If ya can't find the requisite smear quote...
just attribute it to un-named "Supporters" and it counts!
After all, Bernie Supporters are the reason nobody likes him.
...wait...
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
Bullshit links posted as "proof"?
That's been going on at DK for a good year now. It's gotten to be habitual with certain posters anyway, but I have to say, it's kind of amazing the site owner would be so stupid as to think people won't click his links and realize what a petty little liar he is.
I had to call out some of their Gun Trolls
for linking to the Institute for Historical Review as backup.
Some people have no shame.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
Hmmm, its in the CNN
Hmmm, its in the CNN interview, and yeah kos twisted it beyond recognition, all the way:
TAPPER: What is that path to victory, sir? Because, as you know, you really need to score landslide victory after landslide victory in order to overtake her when it comes to the pledged delegates.
SANDERS: Well, I think there are two aspects to it, Jake.
As you have just indicated, the last five -- we have won the last five out of six contests, all of them in landslide victories. What we have said from day one is, the South is the most conservative part of America. We did not do well there. Secretary Clinton gained a lot of delegates. No debate about that.
We're out of the South. We're heading to the West Coast, which is the most progressive part of America. We think we're going to do very well there. But in addition to that, in terms of superdelegates, a lot of superdelegates have pledged to Secretary Clinton.
But I think when they begin to look at the reality, and that is the we in poll after poll are beating Donald Trump by much larger margins than is Secretary Clinton -- in your own CNN last poll, we were 20 points ahead of him. In the last national poll, we actually beat Secretary Clinton by a point. We started 50 points behind.
I think the momentum is with us. A lot of these superdelegates may rethink their position with Hillary Clinton. A have not yet declared. And then you have got superdelegates who are in states where we win by 40 or 50 points. I think their own constituents are going to say to them, hey, why don't you support the people of our state, vote for Sanders?
anhd just before that:
anhd just before that:
TAPPER: I want to ask you. Back in 2008, Hillary Clinton touted her support with white voters. This year, you seem to be doing well with that group. Do you agree with Clinton's 2008 assessment that the white working-class is pivotal to Democratic chances in November?
SANDERS: I think every vote is pivotal. We are now winning in state after state the Latino vote. We're doing better now that we're out of the South with the African-American vote. We're doing extraordinarily well with young people.
And we are -- we think we do have a path toward victory.
CNN
and that is what kos is
and that is what kos is trying to turn into a Dean Scream, lol
They've been trying to make a LOT of those.
First it was "Weak against BLM"
Then "Doesn't appeal to Blacks"
then "English Only"
Then "Sexist Supporters"
Essentially they keep going to the same well, not realizing it ran dry a LONG time ago.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
sigh
he should have just said "we are doing better with the AA vote outside of the south," he phrased that poorly and of course people are twisting it to seem like he's happy to be "getting away" from AA voters. he means that AAs outside the south are more open to him, not that they are doing well because they are getting away from "the African American vote". everyone knows that southern dems are much more conservative than most, socially, and fiscally.
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And it isn't even an honest misunderstanding.
Exactly no one except Markos and some of the Hillary stalwarts over there ever took that line; and yet they insisted that it was the argument being made about the vote in the South over and over and over. At first I thought that perhaps he and the others were making an honest error, but after a round with the man himself, I have to believe that it's a deliberate attempt to bury the real issue under such a towering pile of imputed racism cooties that nobody will dare actually look at it.
Or at the very least, that no one will dare admit to having actually looked at it. It's telling, I think, that no one from Team Clinton has made any effort to engage with the actual argument, which of course is that a show of enthusiasm for a candidate in a single region that doesn't reflect the nation overall is a bad gauge with which to measure enthusiasm in the rest of the country -- where, by the way, the general election will for the most part be decided. There may be a good answer to that, one that doesn't unravel their case that the contest to date has shown Clinton as a hugely popular choice for the nomination (just look at how many more votes she has! never mind that all the lead is from a single region); but if there is, it's curious that no one has come forward with it, or even tried.
lol, love your tag: DBAD
lol, love your tag: DBAD
I couldn't think of anything else
well I could but I refrained
He's a punk. Always has been. eom
Don't believe everything you think.
I'm actually imagining the scene with Markos and his DNC
handler... after the Lieberman thing
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_drL_OsIWzQ]
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
Lordy, Lordy,
so apt and off to check Youtube for that movie of my Lost Years.
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Gah! Markos.
How we trusted him for so long!
"The war on Gaza, backed by the West, is a demonstration that the West is willing to cross all lines. That it will discard any nuance of humanity. That it is willing to commit genocide" -- Moon of Alabama
To be fair when I started in 2005
it was the only "Liberal" site the MSM ever mentioned.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
That should have been a dead giveaway
That the former Republican who joined the CIA and was working for the CIA when he started Daily Kos was probably a complete corporate shill from day one.
if the MSM is even mentioning a "progressive" website
in a vaguely progressive light, chances are it isn't the case.
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We were grasping at straws then.
Give us a chance. Older and wiser.
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I stopped trusting him
after the original Great Pie Fight and his dismissive comments about "the sanctimonious women's studies set". Left for a time, came back but it was mostly for the writing on the right side of the page -- the diaries -- not the front page articles. As he finally got hit upside the head with a clue-by-four, he started bringing on some more diverse voices that were able to shed light on issues that were getting swept under the rug by the traditional media, and I'll give him a golf clap for that.
But since he took the side of the advertiser who had two women wrestling in whipped cream and custard, I never looked at him as the authority on anything other than himself.
The more diverse voices
were purely a business decision I suspect. Politically Markos is a Silicon Valley type Libertarian.
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
Speak for your self Cassiodorus
I never trusted the wanker. I thought he was a good wonky geek libertarian type who had developed a great site for blogging. As far as policy and politics went he sure as hell never impressed me. He went all gung ho for the worst blue dog candidates like the guy who had a chocolate fountain at an early Net Roots Nation wooing the so called 'progressives'. He never cared at all about 'issues'. The use of 'white privilege' as a club to beat back any out break of the 'far lefties' and DFH is disgusting, considering he is living the white privileged dream life in the hills of Berkeley.
He was always in it for the money and being a mover shaker. There were some really good liberal writers there back in the Bushies day. He wasn't quite as mean spirited and nasty as he is now but he hadn't made his pile yet. He's everything that I have come to loath about the Democratic party. I also can't abide the misuse of the word 'progressive'. It's always struck me as a way to get around the word 'liberal' which at the time was a dirty word. As in 'you liberals'.
Anybody who thinks joining the CIA is cool is no one I trust.
I think we trusted him --
not to turn his site into something approximating RedState, which is what it's becoming now.
I don't know if you've been into OPOL's latest diary recently -- he's now got people flagging his diary for what looks like pretty light-handed criticism of Clinton...
"The war on Gaza, backed by the West, is a demonstration that the West is willing to cross all lines. That it will discard any nuance of humanity. That it is willing to commit genocide" -- Moon of Alabama
The dem party is no party.
It's a club. That's why a Bernie Sanders is shunned. If it was a party, people declaring democrat would be full participants in a party serving their interests. That is not what the reality is. The reality is, you can vote for the candidate of the club's choice. Once elected its time for that person to enrich their friends and loyal supporters. Oh! Membership in that club is coveted! This is what we're up against at TOP. I'm choosing membership in Bernie's "party," because that us what it will actually become - a party serving the people.
Rant over.
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
I couldn't help myself.
I couldn't help myself.
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Well said!
Bravo. Made it worth going over there just to read your comment and quickly click back out, lol.
Really well done, Dave.
Beat in the USA.
Gave you a rec
Outstanding.
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"Here I Stand, I can do no other." - Attributed to Martin Luther, 1521
I can't go there
Any chance you could post your comment here?
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
I love you
but then I always did. Thank you for saying what most of us want to say.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Well said - but I shouldn't have looked!
I was seconds away from being sucked back into the maelstrom over that stupid Lennon "You say you want a Revolution, count me out" comment from someone below you...
So I'm saying it into the void (or here, not that here is a void...) to get it out of my system:
I think the commentor is missing the point of that song:
You say you want a revolution
Well, you know we all wanna change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well, you know we all wanna change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me out
You say you got a real solution
Well, you know we'd all love to see the plan, oh yeah
You ask me for a contribution
Well, you know we're all doing what we can
But if you want money for people with minds that hate
All I can tell you is, brother, you have to wait
So, its not really anti-revolution, its anti empty talk and violence...
And besides, its not really a revolution so much as reform. We want things to function the way they were designed to function. At least I do. Democracy can work very well when its not corrupted by corporate money. Our system as it was designed could serve the people, once we get all the bought politicians and their buyers out of the system.
That was the last time I'm following links back there...
It's so bad for my blood pressure.
Kos is the most incompetent mind at that site
and with some of their "front-pagers", that is truly saying something.
The superdelegates thing is the logic of an 8-year-old. What an embarrassment.
(No subject)
The comment section in that hit piece is a true Swamp
The ooze is filled with HRC critters and socks. Actually it is like a honey pot - if ya wanna know who's who in the muck - they are all there and out in the open in one place preening and licking their buttholes.
I feel dirty after leaving that scene...GACK AGK AGHH!
FEEL THE BERN: "But such is the irresistible nature of truth, that all it asks, and all it wants, is the liberty of appearing." - Thomas Paine
"Here I Stand, I can do no other." - Attributed to Martin Luther, 1521
Appropriately enough...
I can't remember Berke Breathed ever officially REMOVING Trump's Brain from Bill the Cat.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
A harbinger of the future. If the Bernie folks
leave, it will get very boring.
They will start eating their own at that point.
Seen it happen at a more than a few internet hangouts over the years.
FEEL THE BERN: "But such is the irresistible nature of truth, that all it asks, and all it wants, is the liberty of appearing." - Thomas Paine
"Here I Stand, I can do no other." - Attributed to Martin Luther, 1521
Your avatar morphed for me into the two-handed headache
pose that might come before a brainbleed stroke. And I agree with your comment. And I might like to be in the arena seats above to see such a spectacle. Sky boxes being above my pay grade.
Would it be wrong of me to slow and stare at a wreck in the northbound lanes?
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I did not bother reading it.
Just added a comment that I would keep donating. I expect this to accelerate as Bernie keeps winning. Hard to know how far it will go.
But this is just the beginning.
I hope you donate
directly from Bernie's site or ActBlue. If you do it via a Kos link, half the $ go to DailyKos, only half to a campaign.
LieparDestin's site is taking donations that go straight to Bern
I do not remember the name. Too tired to look. Have been through hell for the past three days at the Daily Kos Help Desk, which was everything BUT helpful.
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Good post, LaFeminista.
Solidarity.
It feels so right to say that callout "Solidarity"
TomP and the resta youse, Solidarity. Learned the significance of that word in French class 50 y/a. I started mouthing that about a year ago. In there.
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Markos and by extension daily Kos
are a really bad thing for the progressive movement. His and his website's purpose is to dilute and dissipate progressivism and leftism. The place should be left to the PUMAs - they will eventually turn on each other and that would be the end of it.
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
Promise? ;)
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
posted a reply further down the thread
by mistake - one day I'll actually use the right reply button -aargh(again)
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
agreed.
just because something is a good platform doesn't mean it is inherently helpful to our cause. I think making it out to be anything more than that does a disservice to our movement.
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This is a common meme being floated
The fact that KOS repeated it simply means he's getting the same meme-stream that many of the Hillary supporters are getting. Given how consistently such messaging has been floated and repeated, I'm assuming an orchestrated effort from the campaign.
Surely it isn't any surprise that KOS himself is tightly connected with the campaign?
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
I really hope so
I can't see a good end for Dkos though. The Sanders supporters are not going to want to have anything to do with the place after the election. This is where Kos has made his big mistake - he's acting as if this is a fight between two establishment approved candidates where there is always a coming together at the end of the primary process. This one runs much deeper than that.
I do have a vision of the last two PUMAs on the site flinging fact free insults at each other until only one remains standing - but that may be wishful thinking
(Reply intended for Raggedy Ann)
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
My comment
Tommymac Mar 28 · 09:24:03 PM
Good job Kos healing the divide and gaining the support of the Left Wing of the Democratic party and all the new millennial’s for the General. The comments section here is an f’ing swamp — we’ll all be so sucked down in the ooze no one could split even if they wanted to.
FEEL THE BERN: "But such is the irresistible nature of truth, that all it asks, and all it wants, is the liberty of appearing." - Thomas Paine
"Here I Stand, I can do no other." - Attributed to Martin Luther, 1521
To him it's just logical.
To Markos it all might simply follow logic.
The first and fateful step: for whatever reason, Kos committed himself -- and his site, as much as possible -- to support the establishment candidate for the primary nomination. Everything else follows logically from there.
The incompetence, shamelessness, burying of issues, whoredom, groveling to DNC, DNC as a corporation, establishment errand boy, opportunist, pushing clicks for dollars, and otherwise being a dick, yes, all of these, as required, for the cause.
They are in this to win, no matter what it takes. Integrity, they believe, is for losers.
⍢
Intellectual Honesty
That means that there is no gap between what you know to be true and what you say. It's one of my tests for a political candidate. Many of us accept intellectual dishonesty because we generally approve of the candidate and "they all do it".
We have extreme examples of this subject in this election year. I've never seen anything like it. Hillary and Markos are birds of a feather when it comes to intellectual dis-honesty. In both cases you feel like you have just been manipulated to the nth degree. He was worth putting up with when the subjects were so black and white, like the war in Iraq. But really, when it comes to the meat and potatoes of Progressive politics, economic justice, both Hillary and Markos are completely out to lunch.
Contrast this to Bernie. You have a lifetime of consistent politics, of saying the same thing, and being right the majority of the time. This is one of the major reasons that Hillary can't close the perception gap with Bernie by acting a bit more Liberal. (I can't use the term Progressive and Hillary in the same sentence.) Again, it's intellectual honesty. When she responded in one of the debates that she considers herself a Progressive, I almost puked all over the TV. I feel the same about Markos when he claims the he speaks for the Progressive community.
My opinion is that Markos is all about "access". This is what drives the MSM, and I have that from a direct source. Markos is saying in effect that he represents the Progressive community and that he can deliver them to Hillary. In return he expects access and respect from the Clinton administration. Q: When are you going to clean up your site? A: March 15.
Capitalism has always been the rule of the people by the oligarchs. You only have two choices, eliminate them or restrict their power.
I think he is wrong.
I flipped one on Saturday night at the local volunteer dinner. It was very easy. He likes his job. He knows the rules he is there to serve his voters.
This shows how afraid and desperate they are.
“I never did give them hell. I just told the truth, and they thought it was hell.”
― Harry Truman
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