Welcome to Genetic Dystopia
NOTE:
As per usual, I've misunderstood what the links were provided in the articles - GINA already is law. What is proposed will change it substantially. Here's the Wikipedia cheat sheet on current law
I saw a tweet linking a BoingBoing article which linked to a reality to which I did not think we had quite yet sunk. Apparently, I have not been thinking as expansively as the overlords.
Business Insider tells more:
The bill, HR 1313, was approved by a House committee on Wednesday, with all 22 Republicans supporting it and all 17 Democrats opposed. It has been overshadowed by the debate over the House GOP proposal to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act, but the genetic testing bill is expected to be folded into a second ACA-related measure containing a grab-bag of provisions that do not affect federal spending, as the main bill does.
"What this bill would do is completely take away the protections of existing laws," said Jennifer Mathis, director of policy and legal advocacy at the Bazelon Center for Mental Health Law, a civil rights group. In particular, privacy and other protections for genetic and health information in GINA and the 1990 Americans with Disabilities Act "would be pretty much eviscerated," she said.
Employers got virtually everything they wanted for their workplace wellness programs during the Obama administration. The ACA allowed them to charge employees 30 percent, and possibly 50 percent, more for health insurance if they declined to participate in the "voluntary" programs, which typically include cholesterol and other screenings; health questionnaires that ask about personal habits, including plans to get pregnant; and sometimes weight loss and smoking cessation classes. And in rules that Obama's Equal Employment Opportunity Commission issued last year, a workplace wellness program counts as "voluntary" even if workers have to pay thousands of dollars more in premiums and deductibles if they don't participate.
Apparently, as long as employers present this as 'voluntary' (although they can make HUGE penalties for those who do not comply) it would be legal. The companies who collect this information can then sell it of course. No privacy limitations - sky's the limit of what can be done commercially with that information linked to that person... and their family.
We think the Muslim ban is horrifying (it is!) - this could lead to similar targeting for those with genetic/medical issues of ANY kind. Welcome to Dystopia.
BoingBoing also links PLOS where we learn the bill is named Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act, already known by it's cute nickname, GINA. Don't be afeared - this is the from the 'help' page (gawd, we are ALL going to need help, and more than a stiff drink for this one):
What is GINA?
The Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act of 2008 (GINA) is a federal law that protects individuals from genetic discrimination in health insurance and employment. Genetic discrimination is the misuse of genetic information. This resource provides an introduction to GINA and its protections in health insurance and employment. It includes answers to common questions and examples to help you learn. Choose from one of the boxes to the left to begin!
The GINA website appears to explain 'protections,' but this is sheer craziness - the companies which track this info will be free to sell it to one another. And there is literally no limit to what can be done with this information. It will be used to market to us for issues we may not yet know we have, and of course it will be used to deny us insurance coverage since we can be pegged as liabilities.
Genetics may not be prophetic in the world we have come to know until now, but it will be in the marketplace of things and data. It's getting wild out there - be safe.
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It seems Republicans don't believe in privacy
Corporations certainly don't.
And corporate Democrats don't either.
It'll take a non-pro-capitalist revolt by the masses to reclaim our liberties, and that means tearing down the Church of the Free Market first.
@gjohnsit Only privacy when it
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
@MsGrin
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/10/1013_051013_gene_patent....
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/10/1013_051013_gene_patent_...
Although the response of one geneticist was '..."The marketplace will now be open." ...' and I think it's rather worse than pathetic to speak of 'market-places' and 'consumers' where health care is concerned. Also, what's with people speaking of 'cancer genes'? Such things as irreparable/improperly repaired genetic damage/epigenetic attachments altering functionality produce the potential for disease, do they not?
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/06/13/supreme-court-gene-...
Oddly, page two appears to be a repeat of page 1... however, this indicates some of the potential for problems permitted in a culture where 'your money or your life' is the choice presented to sick and injured citizens. And this is important!
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2013/06/13/supreme-court-rejec...
Sooooo, it can be guessed what's coming there. And this whole pathology is making me sick.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
@Ellen North Breast Cancer and
I've casually known about this topic from what's been in the media about the brca breast cancer gene (which substantially obstructed folks from being able to be tested for it), and how the issue of patenting genes created a hot mess for folks either with Lyme or those trying to study it.
The video is from the documentary Under Our Skin about Lyme disease:
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
the epistemological problem with the cDNA exception is that
patents are not supposed to apply to stuff that is "obvious to a skilled practictioner of the art", and any bonehead in a wetlab knows how to "design" primers -- i put "design" in quotes because the usual approach is to have idiot-proof software do the "inventing" -- that will enable you to produce cDNA from a given sequence of DNA (or RNA). it's sort of like saying you can't patent a log, but you can patent a 2x4.
that said, Thomas's decision was better than i would have imagined at the time.
the reality on the ground -- and i know VERY particularly whereof i speak, even as i write i'm running background jobs that are analyzing RNA sequences -- is that the average patent involving any genetic sequence is epistemological nonsense. the language that the lawyers use is scientifically meaningless and puts impossible constraints on everybody everywhere doing any work with DNA or RNA. For example some patents assert that any process that creates certain sequences is by definition in violation of the patent, regardless of whether those sequences are of any interest or value in the "violating" process -- they might even be annoying byproducts or "noise", and it may be impossible to prevent those sequences from being created!
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
@UntimelyRippd
Thank you so much!
One of the many great things about here is that there's generally a sane 'insider' from just about any field who knows such details,which are certainly much appreciated!
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
To further elucidate my lumber analogy,
some sequence-based patents are currently written in such a way that if someone had a patent on 2x4 lumber, and you had a system set up to produce 4x4 lumber, with the inevitable result that an occasional 2x4 was produced as the wastage after you had taken all the 4x4s from a log, your process would be in technical violation of the 2x4 patent, even if you just put the resulting 2x4s into a chipper.
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
I haven't had time to read the links.
Do the articles say who lobbied for (wrote) the bill?
I thought employers were overreaching by asking for prospective employees' passwords and credit histories.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Haven't figured out yet who wrote it
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
This Bill would bring
A new form of discrimination with everyone's genetic info at their fingertips. This info will definitely be used against us from everything to hiring,promotions,pay and insurance.It will be the new definition of Survival of the Fittest.
@pro left Just stepping back for a
Do these Republicans understand that future elected officials that ever worked for a corporation will have their genetic histories available for public view?
Add that to the NSA possessing every tweet, text, or browser history and you have yourself a future for blackmail.
That's the ticket for a compliant government, amirite?
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
@on the cusp
Lol, since they worked for a corporation, their genes will be designated as 'confidential business information' - like such things as the composition of fracking pollutants in people's drinking water (and fracking fluid used to water California crops, since polluting industry are the No. 1 important American 'Interest' and their maximized profits must come before life itself, even under fossil-fuel-created drought conditions) and the contents and functions of corporate-supplied electoral machines.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
A Brave New World awaits
~Aldous Huxley A Brave New World.
Social engineering will take precedence
Genetic engineering of course is most applicable in utero or in vitro with modified eggs and/or sperm. This would be technically orders of magnitude more expensive and more socially repugnant than more "public relations".
In a sense, <shrug>
Sure, it's dystopian and horrific. But that's not really a surprise when you live in a dystopian era. I pretty much read this and said, "Yeah, that's expected."
For me the real battle-ground is cultural not political. We've lost the political war entirely... top to bottom, left to right. "We the people" have been routed from the field. Daily atrocities are to be expected. So my focus is more on seeing if I can get people to recognize the enemy and pull together enough to fight.
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
The logic for how it's NOT charging more is insulting...
Essentially, they call it a "Discount" for "voluntary participation."
It's not technically a "Penalty". It's just the regular price, without the discounts.
The net result is the same, but somehow the blackmail is palatable because they're being generous, supposedly.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QiAwiA0nIE]
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
@detroitmechworks Xactly. Before I
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
One logically possible interpretation of HR 1313
would be that every human, within the grasp of mandatory blood testing would be forced to pay patent royalties on the genes they were born with because they are now patentable. In fact, one could envision warrants being court-issued for people who haven't had their genomes checked, regardless of employment.
Social consequences of seemingly innocuous changes can have more severe unintended consequences than the original change intended.
It's all part of the political paradigm of Letting-The-Genie-Out-Of-The-Bottle.