Way of the Bern: A Kremlin Asset?

Prominent pro-Sanders subreddit 'WayOfTheBern' compared to foreign trolling operation

Something appears fishy with WayOfTheBern, a prominent Reddit page dedicated to advancing the prospects of Vermont Sen. Bernard Sanders, according to experts who track political social media.

The second-largest Sanders fan page on the massive social media platform sometimes acts like a foreign trolling operation, they say, exposing its 24,000 members to the same pro-Moscow and American dissension stories associated with other fringe sites and suspect social media accounts, say experts who have studied the page.

“I consider it extremely suspicious,” said Josh Russell, a prominent analyst on social media politics who tweets about it as @Josh_Emerson. Mr. Russell thinks it more likely that WayOfTheBern is a false flag run by alt-right people than Russia, although he said the patterns of posts are quite similar.

“I don’t think these people give a rat’s ass about Bernie Sanders,.”” he said. “This is designed to divide Democrats

WayOfTheBern, started in 2016 as an alternative to the main SandersForPresident subreddit, remained faithful to its hero even after he lost the Democratic nomination that year. Now, as the Vermont independent ponders another presidential run, the forum is still committed, though it has added Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, who announced her presidential bid last month.

The subreddit targets nearly every other potential candidate.

“We’ve seen large amounts of what we call ‘troll-bots,’ and a significant number of these accounts pushing Bernie and Gabbard,” said Christopher Bouzy of BotSentinel.com, which closely tracks political social media and has been a longtime critic of WayOfTheBern. “We do believe many of them are coming from foreign entities, particularly Russia or the Middle East.”

The critical mass of Twitter accounts that mimic WayOfTheBern by praising Mr. Sanders and savaging other top Democrats all point to coordinated activity of the sort Mr. Sanders has decried, Mr. Bouzy noted.

“We see more of this promoting him, and while they attack [Sen. Elizabeth] Warren and [Sen. Kamala D.] Harris they don’t attack Bernie,” he said. “The anti-Bernie traffic is almost non-existent, and usually this is part of a bigger conspiracy.”
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There’s also nothing criminal about such activity, and First Amendment protections make it hard to curtail posts and tweets.

Yet with such a large community associated with Mr. Sanders having such dubious provenance, and engaged in the identical sort of activity that he and other Democrats have so vigorously crusaded against, it seems odd that neither he nor his people have warned people about the Reddit site.

Mr. Sanders‘ 2016 campaign did have to deal with phony Facebook pages that employed similar tactics.

“Of course they know,” Mr. Russell said. “His campaign should definitely be aware of these things, and we know that nefarious things might be happening.”

Someone needs to tell this dude how WotB came into being. Hey. Maybe FThumb and Markos can be on Press the Meat together and have a discussion about this?

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FThumb describes the backstory

So, now that I have a chance to get to my computer, here's a little background.

But first, I want to extend a Fuck You Varney for not at least giving us a link. That was pretty petty considering I gave you 45 minutes of my time for that interview.

So we got a message earlier in the week that Varney from the Washington Times wanted to ask a few questions of us. Apparently someone has been passing out a slidedeck to media that "proves" we're all a Russian front to divide the Democratic party.

Okay, bring it on!

I'm not sure what the point of the interview was though, I gave him a detailed background on how, why, and when WotB was formed, explaining that being exiled from large Dem sites (i.e. DailyKos) for Failure to Adhere to Group-think left us more sensitive to allowing a wider range of opinions, and that we had nothing to do with SfP.

Varney shared with me a slide deck being shopped around to media, and while much of it was ridiculous, some of it was easily debunked.

Here's an image that was being passed off as our Hot page. to show how we're dominated by rightwing news sources. Anyone notice anything amiss? Look at the posts' votes. Now look at any average Hot page. When would we ever have a post in the #6 Hot spot at 1 upvote? I shared this with Varney, and if he had any integrity he would have acknowledged that he was being handed a forged Hot page.

In this slide-deck was also this image showing how we've been growing at exactly 23 new subscribers a day. FISHY!!

Except I sent Varney a screen-shot of our actual subscriber additions. Another bit of "evidence" that something fishy is going on, shot down. Not that it mattered to Varney.

I proved that all the evidence against us is worse than "fishy," it was blatantly contrived to misrepresent us in an effort to draw a wedge between Bernie's campaign and his supporters.

It's not going to work. People are going to read that piece and wonder WTF?

And not even a link? Fuck you, Varney. You at least owed us a kiss after that hot mess.

Two of the images in his essay

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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.

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@snoopydawg In my top comment reply I added screenshots of the slide-deck being shopped around to various media (Varney shared it with me).

What's interesting is that these"Dem unity" warriors were shoppong this around to rabid right-wing outlets that they would (and do) have fits over were we to link to them.

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...from the beginning. They are us, essentially, with an unshakable loyalty toward Bernie Sanders.

Right away I spotted the key sentences that I think Thumb may be glossing over:

The Way of the Bern forum is still committed to Bernie Sanders, though it has added Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, who announced her presidential bid last month. The forum targets nearly every other potential Democratic candidate. They attack Elizabeth Warren and Kamala Harris but they don’t attack Bernie. Anti-Bernie traffic is almost non-existent, and usually this is part of a bigger conspiracy. We do believe many of them are coming from foreign entities, particularly Russia or the Middle East. This forum is designed to divide Democrats.

Then it ends with a threat

With such a large community associated with Mr. Sanders (which has such dubious provenance) engaged in "the identical sort of activity that he and other Democrats have so vigorously crusaded against," it seems odd that neither Mr. Sanders nor his staff have warned people about The Way of the Bern forum.

In other words, either denounce The Way of the Bern Reddit forum, or we will smear you with colluding with Russia.

This immediately tells me that this slander is a Democratic Party operation. Just a few facts:

1. Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat.
2. The Democratic Party refuses to list Tulsi Gabbard on their official candidate list.
3. The lack of anti-Bernie people (to the extent there is such a thing) does not denote a Moscow-based website.
4. Most of these people did not fall for the Russia Hoax, which was promoted by the Democratic Party. They are smarter that you are, so pay attention.
5. There are only two candidates on the Left that are running for President. This forum is for people who are members of the Real Left. That does not imply they are from Russia or the Middle East.
6. The Democrats are already very divided. If you want to win in 2020, move to the Left and support one of the Real Left candidates. Don't make the same mistake you made in 2016 or you will hand Donald Trump a second term. The Independents will abandon you.

The illustration, below, helps explain the Democrat's cluelessness about how they are perceived by the American people: The Democrats are bound at the hip to the Republican Party and both Parties serve their Big Donors — The Corporations and the One Percent. They do not treat the American people as their constituents and do not represent their desires. Both Parties are deeply unpopular and they poses a threat to the wellbeing of the American people. That's how they feel.

The Way of the Bern supports candidates from the Real Left, who sincerely represent the needs and dreams of the American people. They do not support the Democratic Party without a Real Left candidate.

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@Pluto's Republic in more ways than you might guess.

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"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."

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@Pluto's Republic , and the test to see where you fit. Hundred or so people finished the test, all ended up down where this version says "The Real Left". Clinton, Obama, et. al. up in the upper right, as here. When I took down all my essays, I left this one in place...as a reminder to the nincompoops.

Obviously, they didn't see it. Classic McCarthyism going on, now.

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Sorry, how's that IPO going again? proxy war jeopardy theme

motley fool:

Tencent will reportedly invest $150 million in Reddit, which would make it one of the social platform's top stakeholders. Publisher Condé Nast acquired a majority stake in 2006, and that stake now belongs to its parent company, Advance Publications. Reddit still operates independently from both companies.

Reddit has repeatedly struggled to moderate its freewheeling forums, which have often been breeding grounds for racist, misogynistic, and homophobic content. Both former CEO Ellen Pao and current CEO Steve Huffman have been criticized for their attempts to clean up the platform -- Pao tried to quarantine offensive Subreddits, while Huffman secretly edited user comments.

Despite those challenges,

Reddit has been mulling an IPO since late 2017.

Financial support from Tencent, which has backed a long list of IPOs in recent years, could help Reddit achieve that goal.

My first bold up there made me LOL, then I had to H4 the IPO part because transparency. Still independent yeah right. As the C-Suite edits their brain contents to match their policy propaganda, there's your capitalist free speech. Oh! I said the word policy, hope that Varney guy doesn't turn in to a pumpkin now. What a dumb ass bolshevik, failing his three letter agencies so hard. pwned once again

thanks snoopydawg
peace

Edit: who is tencent? PU if it stinks like a social credit score....
https://www.tencent.com/en-us/

Tencent is an internet-based technology and cultural enterprise headquartered in Shenzhen, China.
Founded in 1998, Tencent’s mission is to “improve the quality of life through Internet value-added services”. This will be done via the delivery of integrated internet solutions to billions of netizens through its “user oriented” business philosophy.

ka-ching! nothing political, just a big social hug from the dopamine business philosophers.

Edit: once more because I didn't really know, or maybe I forgot who about the Washington Times, Varney's employer.

In a speech on the twentieth anniversary of the founding of the Washington Times, Moon explained his motivation behind establishing the paper. "I founded The Washington Times as an expression of my love for America and to fulfill the Will of God, who seeks to establish America in His Providence," he said.

"In the context of God's Will, there needed to be a newspaper that had the philosophical and ideological foundation to encourage and enlighten the people and leaders of America," he explained.

In Moon's analysis, there was an important role for the paper in bolstering support for the continuance of the cold war against Russia. "The Washington Times' editorials and columns supported the Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI) at a time when many were trying to block this critical development," he said.

star wars! lol
and elliot fucking abrams is back now too
reagan retreads unite

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@eyo

Engaged. I've been enjoying your comments. Onward.

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But let's give it a once-over, shall we?

“We see more of this promoting him, and while they attack [Sen. Elizabeth] Warren and [Sen. Kamala D.] Harris they don’t attack Bernie,” he said. “The anti-Bernie traffic is almost non-existent, and usually this is part of a bigger conspiracy.”

So when the DNC and DailyKos promoted Hillary, never saying anything bad about her, while they demonized Trump (and Stein), would that make them "part of a bigger conspiracy?" Were they "coming from foreign entities, particularly Russia or the Middle East?"

Yet with such a large community associated with Mr. Sanders having such dubious provenance . . .

That provenance, of course, was DailyKos, from which those WotBers migrated en masse in March 2016. Clearly suspicious, right? Investigate Markos then -- he runs the bot farm.

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Hillary subreddit has nothing nice to say about Sanders or other Dem candidates, shows signs of Russian bot activity.

(I know the idea is just to get the headline out there, not to have anyone apply critical thinking to this, but how stupid is this?)

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I found it almost incomprehensible. I kept scratching my head and thinking, "What's the writer's point?" It felt as though he was just taking dictation, writing down what his informants said without understanding any of it, or even thinking about it.

How else to explain a piece of writing that literally consists of things like this: "WayofTheBern criticizes Warren and Harris but not Bernie! That proves they're nefarious Russian agents!" Scratch one-s head

I lived in New Orleans when the writer, James Varney, was working as a conservative columnist for the Times-Picayune newspaper. He was part of the TP reporting team that won a Pulitzer for their coverage of Katrina. In 2015, he was one of numerous TP employees laid off in a corporate restructuring. Judging from this latest effort (lacking any semblance of journalism), he seems to be ending his career on a sad note.

With respect to the piece about WayofTheBern, the obvious question is: what was the purpose? It has the pawprints of the Dem establishment all over it, but Varney is conservative, the WaTimes is conservative, and the main "expert" informant is apparently conservative. (Of course, we pretty much have a uniparty at present, and they all work for the oligarchy.)

But why go after WoTB, specifically?

Cui bono - Who benefits?

The admin of WoTB, FThumb, says he had a 45-minute interview with Varney, in which Thumb detailed how WoTB came into existence: refugees from DKos moved to the Kossacks4Bernie subreddit, then from there, a group left and created WoTB.

Yet Varney ignored all of that, and instead stated in his article that WoTB was started by people from the sanders4president subreddit.

I found the mention of S4P quite interesting. As many people here know, S4P was originally a very active place where Bernie supporters could exchange information and strategize. Immediately prior to the national convention in Philly, the S4P reddit was shut down, suddenly and without warning. Although it later re-opened, it bears little resemblance to its former incarnation.

There are questions as to who's behind it now, and for what purpose. Although they get relatively light traffic, they seem to be trying to position themselves as the "main" Bernie reddit group, based on their original reputation. I've found their AMAs disappointing, especially for the more progressive candidates. From what I can see, they're very Democratic Party-oriented.

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@Centaurea . Lots of Criticism of the Rams, The Steelers, the Marlins, even the Oregon Ducks and the Phoenix Suns, but nothing negative is ever said on their website that is negative about the Partiots. Looks like Russian influence!

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@Centaurea

The admin of WoTB, FThumb, says he had a 45-minute interview with Varney, in which Thumb detailed how WoTB came into existence: refugees from DKos moved to the Kossacks4Bernie subreddit, then from there, a group left and created WoTB.

Yet Varney ignored all of that, and instead stated in his article that WoTB was started by people from the sanders4president subreddit.

Then just make shit up.
How do I get a piece of that sweet, sweet Kremlin cash?

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During the height of the soviet era.

Short Version: If you didn't agree with the current Pravda, you were considered an evil intending liar out to sway good citizens.

Did the US and Russia decide to swap roles this century or something?

I'm still waiting for Robert Downey Jr. to be persecuted for Tropical Thunder MSM... According to the current Pravda, of course...

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I do not pretend I know what I do not know.

If WotB is a Kremlin asset, then surely C99P should be a Kremlin asset, amirite?

Someone needs to contact Josh Russell and Christopher Bouzy to alert them of our malign tendencies.

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in being a Rooskie-bot! Lurking around, peering around corners, jumping out screaming "BOT YA!" Yeah, baby - I'm a Rooskie-bot and proud of it! Pleasantry

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the so-called Deep State, and Sanders--not really about Russia bots, or about Thumb's sub-Reddit account.

For instance, one of the folks quoted heavily in The Washington Times piece is (possibly) a Brit tech/PR type for-hire. Curiously, at
Russell's site, he advertises himself as advising on "community intelligence and designing community engagement." Whatever that means. (Googled it, and didn't get a very satisfactory definition.) The Dude's also working for folks trying to defeat Brexit, FWIW.

In one sense, he's between a rock and a hard place. If he denounces the Russia Ruse, then he holds himself open to hurting his status with the Dem Leadership and the DS, possibly resulting in expulsion from his current Leadership position.

OTOH, if he continues to espouse the Russia line, oppo folks of all stripes--Dem and Repub--could continue to run ridiculous stories like this one, in order to undermine him with some of his supporters.

Then, there's the folks who are trying to associate him with the Russia Ruse in order to make him appear tainted by the scandal, and "out of the mainstream." (by their definition)

There's no doubt in my mind that the MSM is determined to 'install' a corporatist/neoliberal warmongering Dem in 2020. Just watch/listen to Cable News for even an hour, or two. So-called journalists and/or "talking heads" appear to feel very empowered. IMO, they seem to believe that they're on a roll, in regards to rigging the next Presidential election.

Time will tell.

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