USA Racially Confused? People of S & C American/Caribbean Origin
First a link to the article:
Here is another article I found interesting as a way to get into our experience. Please do read it if you want to understand some of the experiences we face on a daily basis: 50 Experiences of Racially Mixed People
You know you are from a mixed race family when they arrest you kidnapping while pushing your blond, curly headed daughter on the swings in the playground. Or, if you are a native born American they ask, "Where are you from." Or, "You don't look like a ...." Or, "Your Spanish (Kreyol, Vietnamese or whatetver) isn't very good, so you are not really from... where are you really from.
See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpJgS8Oen1A
The issue here is something that has confused our family and many people whose origins are in the Americas outside the USA, for decades... what box does one choose when the family either pure indigenous, different grades and colors of mestizo, to Arab/Ashkenazi Jewish, to northern European, to a small % of Black? And what if Hispanic" is anathema as compared to indigenous Andean? The mix is different in every family... often a bit of East Asian, or from the Indian subcontinent and on and on. Caribbean people can be a mix of African, Indigenous, Spanish, British, Arab, Indian subcontinent.
Bolivia is about 60% indigenous Andean people. So an Andean in the USA looks at the damn checkboxes and says, well I am not "Hispanic", I am Indigenous. Does he or she check the American Indian box? The "other". What about the =/- half Black/half . Indigenous people all over the Caribbean? I can go on and on with the interesting family mixture (and language mixes) we have in our truly diverse region.
OK... then if you are checked as American Indian, they ask your tribal affiliation. Uh, 31 nations make up the pluri-national state of Bolivia and we have to mention that a full Indigenous person in the city who dresses like a mestizo, such as a woman wearing pants (a necessity if one moves from a tropical nation to La Paz or El Alto which is icy cold) is known as a "chota". Second generation for the most part would as soon dress in a two piece bikini as a pollera. Zero chance for each alternative. The native language gets semi-lost, if not altogether lost.
This is highly problematic with the census, but even more problematic when applying for something like a college or a scholarship or some types of job. It is nonsense when talking about the "Hispanic Vote" or even the "Black Vote". I have serious questions I have, what exactly is this data used for? Is it advantageous to one "grouping" as compared to another"? Is it just another statistical form of racism, justification of land and resource theft, and xenophobia?
And last, why did mixed race Obama decide he was African-American and not mulatto (or whatever PC term they use now days)? It felt like an insult or a denial to at least some mixed race families. In fact, I fume every time they say "first African-American President". WARNING: THIS IS A VERY SENSITIVE ISSUE IN THE USA. It felt like a slap in the face to our mixed race family. If some person named Rubio or Garcia or Morales becomes President will it be the "first "Hispanic" President or the first "Mestizo" President, or even the first "Indigenous" President or are they "white".
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It is messed up when peoples heritage is mixed up. As far as the census anyway. "you must choose one or the other."
Seems like we worry too much about labels. As a teacher it infuriated me having children called "Learning disabled", behaviorally disturbed, or others as gifted. All children have talents, but we don't seem to look for nor use their talent as a label.
So the society tries to define people by color, and we miss the main point - We are all human.
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
Spanish = LD
Its sad when your genius kids speaks Spanish and go to a public school in the (some states) USA and put into a LD classes.
From the Light House.
Lightskin Racial Problems
I have to admit that the USA is one of the most dystopian societies when it comes to race. This young woman nails it. Also points out why she identifies as African-American over "Mixed" which explains the weirdness of Obama I mentioned.
From the Light House.
Trailer - Biracial Not Black Damn It
WOW! What a racist minefield the USA is!! One more video, this with a lot of mixed race children telling their experience. Discrimination and racism from all sides. And this is the year 2016!!! I don't have the ability to analyze the problem because to me, its exceedingly dysfunctional that a society categorizes people on skin tones, hair straightness > curliness, nose shape or WTF else. That it is so deeply ingrained is unbelievable.
Identity politics? Thats one thing I unfortunately learned about following this fraudulent American election. I find it like a dystopian science fiction book where people will fight and vote to cut their own throats (so to speak economically) to identify with some skin tone or other racial/ethnic/religious characteristic.
It still pisses me off reading about the "Hispanic Vote". Really, I wish the whole political conversation would change.
From the Light House.
The late and great Johnnie Otis
Johnnie Otis was a major force in the development of RnB and RnR and was good at getting RnB artists heard. He had a touring revue of African American artists and helped develop the careers of several whose names are still familiar. Johnnie was an African American and performed with his band throughout the segregated southeast when integrated entertainment was prohibited by law.
His parents owned a corner grocery store in an African American neighborhood in California.
The thing is, his mother and father were born in Greece and were Greeks who came to the USA. Johnnie grew up with black people and music and consciously decided to be a part of that community. He grew a moustache and, in the south, passed the eyeball tests of the most racist white deputy sheriffs and was allowed to perform on stage with his band.
So, at least as far as the late Mr. Otis is concerned, he picked his race and it was not supported by his genotype.
Is this a great country or what!?
"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"
I remember when I came to the US with my 10 year old son
and saw for the first time a questionaire where we were supposed to check those boxes. I remember being angry about those. I also didn't know that I was a caucasian. In my mind I associated with caucasians people from the Caucasus in Southern Russia or so. As I didn't know exactly where the Caucasus was geographically located, I associated them with looking like the Mongols. Sorry for not having learned enough of the Sowjet Union's different regions.... So, I definitly don't look like a Mongolian woman, but ok if Americans say so, who would object their wisdom ?
You know, you don't have to always fill out the boxes. If my son is asked what he is, he either says American (today as an adult, but couldn't as a young man) or when he is in a good mood, he says exactly what he is and then people usually say "interesting" followed by a long uncomfortable silent moment, that most often is escaped from with a joke and that's the end of it. Unless some idiots really get vulgar. But that's another story.
The worst thing the Americans could ever have started is counting and categorizing their population by race or ethnicity. I thought they might have had learned that from their knowledge of the Nazi German ID cards etc. But they didn't. Contrary they think nowadays Germans are still ... you know ... those authoritarian types, because we have ID cards and must register our home addresses. I think these days they might still have a photo on it, but no categorizations.
I went through the 50 questions/experiences in the link you posted. There are more I could add, but what for. It gets "more fun" when you look at it from a German perspective/ie having "German blood" and then some "black blood" and then having it while living in the US.
I mean it's clear that "those kids can't come out right with that kind of parents"... a whispered remark I heard from many German kinder garden and elementary school teachers behind their hand covered mouths. I think, later on, I was lucky that my English wasn't good enough at that time to know what some American teachers might have whispered. You just try to ignore it.
I always found the French much less racial - as long as you really adored their language and could speak it - which of course no real non-French person can properly - but they are way too polite to let you know that about your French skills, at least back in the days. I heard all of it has changed in the last twenty to thirty years or so.
I think I still can't get any "fun" out of it though. Meanwhile I have heard it all including what my former husband was called by his own folks. Let's say this. It's no fun. And you never forget what has been said. It sticks. And sometimes you don't want to be reminded. Which you are often. Like right now. With this essay. But I commend you for writing about it. It usually never gets talked about. Until the last eight years, more or less. Now they talk about it, may be too much, because it's getting worse with regards to living in a racially challenged political time period. Because you can't say something without making some people feel uncomfortable no matter who you are.
I hope I have not offended anybody with this comment.
https://www.euronews.com/live
Walking on Tiptoes
"I hope I have not offended anybody with this comment." Not me for sure.
As another subject. Its too damned easy to offend someone, especially on-line. Especially coming from countries where the perceptions and conversation is different. Its a pain in the ass walking on tiptoes over a house of cards.
I actually preferred the Sanders campaign before the laundry list of races/ethnicity/gender issues were added. The class issues, economic and social justice and equality, are neutral. The immigration issues don't need to be ethnicitized. Its plain old justice. Justice and equality is for EVERYONE. Fuck the rich. I love listening to Nina, Cornel, Rosario and everyone else...
And I practically vomit when I see Clinton waving her hands around and talking ghetto in a Black Church. I am glad she got called out on that stupid "abuela" crap. And the final straw was when the Clinton campaign started calling protesters in ELA goons and thugs based on a dubbed voice over and carefully cut video.
What I find unbelievable and end of times dystopian is the inequality and segregation in education, housing and criminal justice. WTF is wrong with Americans anyway that its 2016 and this shit still is the social order?
From the Light House.
it is an easy way to divide people
... and is probably at the heart of T-rump's success, as well as playing a large part of the Brexit decision.
They don't want people uniting over class issues so divide them by race.
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
"Its too damned easy to offend someone, especially on-line"...
yep, I always manage to do it, often when I least expected it.
Makes sense to go offline now and then. I support Bernie.
ditto.
But as Senior Markos said "we are winning, and we are winning big and fuck that shit", I guess if it turns out that way, I am gonna "fuck that shit" and
hopefully, hopefully get away from all of it.
I am tired. I don't want any of it anymore.
https://www.euronews.com/live
The 1% operates on the basis of class and those who
are getting the raw deals need to think and act along class lines.
As you say, the issues of race, religion, national origin, are a way to confuse the issue and keep the class aspects of the struggle buried.
Clinton say income inequality is a lesser issue than racial inequality or gender inequality. I disagree and the facts of neoliberalism's negative impact on wage earners are clear and well understood, even if underreported.
"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"
I guess it was a politically correct poll
that asked me to check all of the following that I identify with. I responded only to the wording of it, and checked everything except white & Pacific Islander. I've read a lot & met a lot of people in my life, but unfortunately never felt I really knew a Pacific Islander enough to identify with them. And I'm white, but I don't especially identify with whiteness; I'm mostly bored by it.
My answers felt right to me, but also left me sad & confused. So now I always check "other" & write in "human race." This feels like the best answer for me and I hate it when that's not an option.