TYT Duke It Out. (Video)

Kind of a fun video with The Young Turks (TYT) Wes Clark Jr. Vs. Jimmy Dore debating who is worthy of your vote (Hillary or Donald).

Both only agreeing that there is no good choice. Wes Clark Jr. gets so red faced he burned out the red pixels on my monitor. After Wes and Jimmy duke it out, Cenk tries to smooth things over. He's saying we need elect Hellery then force the Dems to do progressive stuff. (Ha good with that Cenk). Cenk sounding delusional.

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Thaumlord-Exelbirth's picture

is delusional. He talks big about journalists being the watchdog of the government, yet he's nowhere to be found when it's time to do so. I don't recall TYT ever talking about the election fraud, with the constantly growing pile of evidence, that was occurring during the democratic primary. Instead, the concern was over how evil Trump was, even though he was being nominated cleanly and fairly. We weren't "given him," as Cenk says. And since Hillary stole the nomination, they've been little more than yet another Trump bashing outlet, with Cenk being the primary driving force behind it.

One thing I have to say about Wes and his mentioning of the armed bands threatening people to not speak out: that's what voting for Hillary is. It's giving in to the political equivalent of armed bands and not speaking out. Trump is the gun they threaten us with.

What I really want them to explain is how, exactly, they plan on forcing Hillary to do anything at all. What leverage do the people who willingly vote for a candidate with no strings attached have over the candidate that threatens them to do that in the first place? Primary the hell out of her? Yeah, good luck with that. Their response: You don't vote for Hillary, you're voting for Cruz.

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Cachola's picture

For two seconds way back when. And I remember Anna saying she could not justify voting for Clinton knowing what they knew. But next day or soon afterward they were trying to scare people with the possibility of Trump winning.

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Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.

So vote Hillary and agitate for change within and outside the democratic party? Wes Clark Jr. is using a lot of fear mongering. So if Trump is elected, black people will be taken out of their cars and summarily killed? That is happening now under an African American democrat president, democrat governors, and democrat city mayors. It was a democratic party president and mayors who violently crushed OWS.

Clark is just advocating for more the same. Only it will be acceptable to loyal democrats because a dem is doing it.

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Anja Geitz's picture

Busting down doors beating up your children. And guess what? People ARE still protesting.

It's called Black Lives Matter.

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There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier

Dhyerwolf's picture

I just exploded in laughter when apparently we'll get Hillary Clinton to mobilize on climate change, but if we try that against Donald trump we'll literally be killed. The first part is about as delusional as the second. What is Trump going to pass that will revoke freedom of speech and how will he pass it? How is he going to make it so that there will be all these armed murderous militias running around? How will Hillary Clinton be forced to do anything once she's given all the power and voters no longer have any leverage? It's all just fantasyland.

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Blasphemy101's picture

This is the last straw. There was one sane person on that video named Jimmy Dore. Cenk and Wes are playing the fear card to the extreme, Disgustingly into CT land. Canceled my membership. I will not give money to people pulling stunts like this.

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War, War Never Changes - Fallout Series

WoodsDweller's picture

since Cenk went on his pro-Hillary platform.
Wes is playing fear because he's afraid. He's afraid because he knows enough to know that time is desperately short, but he still has hope that it isn't too late. Which means that he doesn't know enough yet.
Cenk's central problem is that he's focused on the short term - who will do the least damage over the next 4 years. "Next time we'll primary her and really push and...". Nope. The entire party apparatus will form up around her like concrete and you might as well go with a third party because you will have absolutely no chance of prying her loose. Even if she doesn't survive to a second term, the Clintons will have packed the party and the government with their cronies and a third party will be the only hope, and yet another four years will have gone by and nothing done.

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"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone

they'll install Chelsea for eight years, then her children.

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The establishment blew a gasket when Sanders challenged her this cycle.

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Citizen Of Earth's picture

at least among those three.

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Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.

No way in hell is he advocating for Hillary, and he covered the election theft over and over.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

RejectingThe3rdWay's picture

He is the best one out there!

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When I was a kid, Republicans used to red scare people, now it's the Democrats. I am getting too damn old for this crap!

Citizen Of Earth's picture

I was speaking only about TYT journalists.

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Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.

I used to watch TYT now and then to get their perspective, but they've all gone off the deep end. It took me a while to warm up to hime, but I subscribed to Jimmy Dore's Youtube channel, I generally like what he has to say. Cenk and Ana and the rest of their cohorts are full blown loony tunes at this point.

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Thaumlord-Exelbirth's picture

Wasn't certain of him when I first started watching TYT, but he's the only one that's been consistently rational, even when he's been snarky.

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Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

will do for you.

Damn, it's not even for that long a run. Cenk, you sold yourself damned cheaply.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

Citizen Of Earth's picture

this would be the way to achieve that -- kissing Hellery's ring.
And if that's the case, I wonder if Dore will last at the TYT. Kinda sad to see TYT going zombie.

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Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.

Lenzabi's picture

Yeah Jimmy is the one not in fear and staying level, Wes is scared or playing scared, and Cenk has been apologizing for Hillary and her bad track record.

Trump may putz around and do things more by accident, Hillary is more capable of deliberately usurping power and she can feel it so close!

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So long, and thanks for all the fish

Ford says both Hillary and The Donald are both evil. However, he says Hillary will be the more effective evil. Given that she will have the entire apparatus of the neocon establishment, the entire dem party establishment, and rabid loyalists behind her, I would say yes he is correct. Trump would literally sit alone in the White House.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

cardboardurinal's picture

About corporate Democrats since I learned about the legacy of Bill Clinton. I was a politically unaware teenager (Clinton's presidency), and young 20 something (Bush's first term), and was so until "Mission Accomplished." For context, I was a sailor on USS Abraham Lincoln when that event went down. I didn't appreciate being used as part of President Bush's reelection kickoff.

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Yeah, according to two of the three, apparently it's better to vote for someone who will deliberately attack other people's countries when they think they can't defend themselves and kill/main/dispossess them while calling that a war than for some idiot who may accidentally cause a war through stupidity and blind egoism and better to vote for either than someone who 'can't possibly win the Presidency' if people swallow the manipulative scare tactics to stop them voting for the only non-corporate, non-corporate-coup-supporting candidate running and refuse to vote for her and the chance of survival... if only that Bernie miracle would appear...

These guys have no idea even of what's at stake right now with the TTP et al/corporate coup in process! They're talking as though elections will necessarily even be faked under corporate law...

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

He's been listening to too many of his dad's war stories, and he is freaking hysterical. Omg, the only thing he did predict Trump causing was Armageddon. I shut it off. I don't need to listen to bull shit. It is no wonder we have the world we have. I want a fucking island on a different planet.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

lotlizard's picture

They point to his past writings and the fact that his TV program is named after the Turkish regime that carried out the Armenian Genocide.

http://www.armeniapedia.org/wiki/Cenk_Uygur

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riverlover's picture

My father, dead for 20 years, was a Modern European History prof. I heard off-the-cuff statements of his about doubt re: genocide there, but he was no holocaust denier and spoke at ACLU functions especially anti-KKK stuff. I have read about Armenian antics recently, trying to make their own Israel country from seized land, can you, lotlizard, suggest any books or articles to help me catch up on that in my spare time? I have a recuperation coming within the week. So online access would be good.

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Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.

riverlover's picture

Jimmy Dore is sane to me. Cenk and Wes, Jr are also sane but are essentially asking all of us to spend a few years (or more) walking around half-lame, left foot dragging or right foot dragging will be a new meta debate topic. We All Know that Americans are exceptionally bad at patience.

And Nobody pointed out the next Elephant, the looming recession. How does anyone prepare for that these days? I have bad feelings about any "leader"'s response to that. [too many apostrophes there, I hope you readers figure out I have a fear of any leader making a rapid change but there is still the Congressional anchor, of doubtful use in one case]

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Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.

...people that are 20 years old today have a very real chance of not living out their life because of climate change. To me, that is a very real threat and by the time America pulls its head out of their work-the-day-away world, we'll have nothing left to save.

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Citizen Of Earth's picture

is gonna go against her Oil/Gas pals is bullsh1+.

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Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.