The Thing About Conspiracy Theories

Watching the meltdown of our President on twitter it is clear he gets his fake news from Breitbart and Bannon.

Watching the meltdown of the MSM and the DNC about Russia!

The funny thing about reality is it is damn boring.

1] Someone like Trump being monitored by the NSA would hardly be surprising then again nothing came of it, if indeed it happened. Why would he need a lawyer to make a case when he has direct access to the NSA and any associated documentation.

2] The Russian Ambassador meeting politicians in DC even less surprising. There has been no proof that the election results were changed in anyway whatsoever. Just accept that the DNC selected the worst one available.

You know I wouldn't care less about all this mutual scaremongering with each claim more absurd than the last if the US was powerless, rather than being the most powerful Banana Republic on earth, our major exports being war and regime change.

The rest of the world is watching this circus of the absurd, the US-MSM has fed this type of garbage for decades, politicians have rolled themselves in its sticky embrace. I suppose it's "fun" watching supposedly powerful people run around with their hair on fire whilst crying like a three year old in the middle of an epic tantrum.

  • Our politicians [both fucking sides] allowed the expansion of the deep state and executive power to truly epic/insane proportions.
  • Our politicians [both fucking sides] allowed the expansion of the MIC to truly epic proportions.
  • Our politicians [both fucking sides] helped build the prison industrial complex.
  • Our politicians [both fucking sides] play with conspiracy theories when it suits them.
  • Our media uses all of the above as info-fucking-tainment.
  • Talking heads make fortunes out of the whole bloody absurd circus.
  • Many Americans revel in this shit and even worse; start to believe it.

The "Truth" tends to be dry and boring, exceptional claims require rock solid proof.

The simple truth is we are an Oligarchy and they are using every option available to distract from the truth, we are being asset stripped. Income inequality and therefore power are my extensively documented proof.

Climate Change/Global warming is well documented, extensively researched yet denied/avoided within the absurd circus that supposedly governs us. They'll scream about keeping us "safe" with weapons as the world disintegrates into chaos driven by something weapons cant even touch. I suppose they could get the NYPD to pepper spray it.

The film "Idiocracy" whilst just about OK doesn't go far enough, in my opinion it was far too optimistic, the sheer and utter horror was lacking. Some Zombie movies are closer, but there is no need for an actual disease, just continue the current constant propaganda. Nor if we continue down this road, unlike the movie, will there be a happy ending

Watching a president meltdown on twitter might be amusing, when/if he actually stops might be more worrying still.

Watching "liberals" hail War Criminal Gee Dubya as some sort of saint just goes to show how far we have fallen into the clutches of this circus of the absurd. Anything goes if it is for political gain. How many of us regret it already? How many more will join us?

Personally, I'm plain devastated.

Just a thought.

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This is a statement of fact, NOT a call to action or a statement of intent.

The only way the Politicians will ever stop is if they fear the populace again.

That means active resistance against the government and their agents. That means that those that enforce the laws are not "Just doing their jobs to protect us" but are in fact enemies and need to be treated as such.

I am well aware that this kind of statement is seen as a threat by the PTB, and shouldn't be said because it's "Dangerous". This is the kind of statement that gets DHS, FBI, and NSA attention.

Which is why people don't make them. The PTB are scared of the people ever waking up and doing the math on TRUE relative power.

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I do not pretend I know what I do not know.

@detroitmechworks because a picture is worth more? heh
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Thanks for speaking

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@eyo in the yard. Broken foot, etc changed the rules, and now I have 3-4" of fresh powder out there. Next week. Need it closer to the house, anyway.

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@detroitmechworks @detroitmechworks That's one of the reasons why the new "public square" is privately owned. So that owners of blogs and fora can impose their restrictions on conversations. It sounds reasonable when you're only thinking about one forum in particular, but when you realize the whole Internet is subects to owners' rules, you finally start to get the picture: no uncontrolled public discourse.

On top of that, of course, is the whole NSA spying apparatus. Forget plotting a revolution. People wouldn't even dare to plot a general strike or even chasing a politician down the street swinging their purses like they did in the seventies. Hell, even peaceful protest is risky to plan online. The Internet is constantly recording what you write, and the government is always reading it.

Edit: sorry, this is a reply to the post above.

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@Cassandrus @Cassandrus
It won't be something as organized as a revolution - a movement with a head that can be cut off (or assassinated) - it will be rioting like the LA riots of the 90's but 10x worse.
Those of us who were in LA noticed that there really wasn't any authority and they had to let the Riot burn itself out. Two things spring to mind about how nervous the 'authorities' were:
1) The LAPD went into hiding because they (correctly) thought the very appearance of LAPD uniforms would spark uncontrollable violence - probably resulting in the death of those who wore the uniforms - and stoke the flames of rioting.
2) The national guardsmen who came in to 'keep the peace' were not given ammo and were very, very nervous in those neighborhoods after dark. They knew that they were in a no-win situation. If angry locals attacked them, they could be killed. If they defended themselves and killed a civilian (fellow countryman?) then the rioters would fight a war against them in the streets of LA.

The authorities cannot protect the wealthy elites when the simmering anger grows beyond a breaking point. One spark and it will erupt - mindlessly and without coordination (so the NSA will have nothing to do. Heck, the authorities might have them shutdown cell towers in the rioting areas, so the NSA will lose its #1 surveillance stream. Millions of folks can go door to door to get their buddies together for some violence - and the NSA cannot keep track of them all).

Sure, the militarization of local police forces looks like a threat - but think about it: it is an empty threat. No mayor, councilman, or property owner (ie. the 1%) wants to see rocket launchers & grenades employed in Manhattan, Chicago, Atlanta, Los Angeles, Philly, or Las Vegas. The destruction of property - and the chilling effects on consumerism - would plunge the US and the world into a depression far greater than the Great Depression. It would likely require bringing US forces home and ending the Pax Americana, and that would end the era of multinational corporations (and their exploitation of developing countries).

Also, cops love them their tanks - but those are better suited for open fields than confined urban streets. A string molotov cocktails on the back deck of an Abrahams tank will eventually take it out - and a few on the front can 'blind' the tank. The APC's the cops get are even more vulnerable to homemade munitions. Also, homemade napalm (styrofoam & gasoline) works a treat against cops in riot gear - much of that lightweight body armor is flammable... and hard to get off when burning & melting to the skin. Fighting rioters isn't like fighting revolutionaries - there is no leader to ever surrender. Even if the rioters had leaders - like the IRA - look at the decades of violence between the UK and the Irish revolutionaries.

Another thing to worry about if Law Enforcement tries to turn Philly into Fallujah, what if the angry rioters overrun a National Guard armory? How many guardsmen do you think will be willing to shoot their mechanics, neighbors and cousins? How many guardsmen would join the rioters? The socio-economics of folks in the Guard suggest many would have some sympathy for the rioters.

If we are lucky, the first riots will scare The Powers That Be enough to take the 99% seriously and make sure that the regular folks get a fair share of the wealth they create. Otherwise, we will see a Reign of Terror which will make the French Revolution look polite and gentle.

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@Sonny Boy

I've actually been thinking that TPTB want riots, as an excuse to impose martial law. And those civil forces are some of The People, even if some of them may be brainwashed/psychopathic nuts.

Soon, it's likely that the pay/pensions of the police will be also cut and - as in all affected countries - we need them to ally with the rest of us. Successful revolutions depend upon having the people - including civil and military forces - stand with their people, rather than with the enemies of their people and against their own families and friends; enemies who will regard them also as being disposable the instant it's felt they are no longer required and therefore not worth paying or keeping alive.

Unfortunately, although I've kept multiple links to various videos posted on here and elsewhere about how most likely to achieve a pacific (or at least relatively so) and successful revolution, I can't seem to find any. A lot of stuff vanishes from my drafts... but all of the ones I've seen seem to say pretty much the same thing and one of those is, importantly, to never include violence in protest, no matter how violently attacked the population itself is. This makes the brutality of the oppressors apparent and destroys memes of 'suppressing violent protesters' while dismissing essential fact.

People will die, but fewer without violence on The People's side - and we all die in the near future if we do not stop this hostile global military/corporate takeover of the Earth now at its major North American source.

The one with the world's largest military, full of Americans unlikely to be happy with their own people being violently suppressed, abused and murdered at home by a group of pathological Greeds - invading their families. The American military consists of The People, too.

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A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

@Cassandrus

I rather suspect that's understood by everyone here, but I expect that people may be in danger for simply suggesting such things on a general basis, even if they themselves are not physically able to participate in even the most peaceful protest. Unless a protest which has been coordinated for political purposes by Parasite Class lackeys, of course.

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@detroitmechworks until something breaks. Some also hope to profit from the disintegration ]call it hedging their bets] and gain even more points[$$$$] on the scoreboard of life.

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@detroitmechworks Others agree with us.

DemEnter Cannot Succeed Without A Willingness To Let Bad Democrats Lose To Republicans

We may not have the power to elect our candidates, but we do have the power to make them lose. This is the bat we should be using. If we are not prepared to lose, we don't belong at the table.

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@dkmich You are so right.

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@dkmich

That's what I have been lobbying for from the very beginning. Reforming the Democratic Party was a complete waste of time. The Voting Alliance would already be in place by now. I suspect the people chumming the waters with ideas of reform were doing it to make political activists and activism impotent. Their sheep-dogging is working even better, after the election. Nothing has been accomplished. The People cannot see that they already won and that it's time to make their demand heard. Organize quickly, there's another election coming up where we can teach the fascist Establishment in the states a lesson they will never forget.

We may not have the power to elect our candidates, but we do have the power to make them lose. This is the bat we should be using. If we are not prepared to lose, we don't belong at the table.

Yes we can. We can take down anybody we want to any day of the week. Unless they meet the People's demands in advance. We can ruin any election. We can force the country into purposeless drift. Don't like Citizens United? The Alliance can target every race in the nation and take out whichever candidate accepted the highest amount of private funding. The depraved corruption of Citizens United will be overturned by both sides, immediately.

Strategic Voting by the powerful Alliance is the only movement that makes any sense in an inverted totalitarian nation like the United States. Subversion is 10,000 times more powerful than revolution.

Even in a fake democracy like ours, the People still have all the power.

Strategic voting in 2016 toppled the Democratic Party.

It's time to use Strategic Voting to force the changes we want to see. A true, functional democracy and media penalties for feeding verifiable lies to the People. Plus, no more advertising during national news broadcasts. Stations can make money the other 23 hours they use the airwaves that we the People license to them for free.

The People's Voting Alliance cannot be held back. Its members are invulnerable to attack. One man one vote; who can stop it? We outnumber everyone at the polls. The failed state has no defense against it.

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@Pluto's Republic Willing to try it despite the fact that DHS is now running our elections, and fraud is a thing.

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"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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@dkmich

We may not have the power to elect our candidates, but we do have the power to make them lose.

I would also add, that we (the people) are already losing under the status quo incrementalism being advocated by the Democratic establishment so we actually have nothing to lose by making them lose.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

@dkmich

Hillary lost to one of the worst candidates in history while I and others voted for Jill Stein or the candidate of another newer party or stayed home. (My state went for Hillary, as I knew it would.)

In fact, some Democrats (or former Democrats) I know in purple states REALLY held their respective noses and voted for Trump, to do their best to make sure she lost their state.

I do worry, though, that the fake liberal renaissance or faux Democratic Spring occurring within the Democratic Party will fool some that Hillary could not fool.

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@detroitmechworks That would get their attention.

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"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - JFK | "The more I see of the moneyed peoples, the more I understand the guillotine." - G. B. Shaw Bernie/Tulsi 2020

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@detroitmechworks
Orchestrated chaos is being continually generated, and a "Deep State" War against the Trump administration by these corrupt forces (CIA, State Dept., Globlists-CFR, U.S. News Media, Establishment-GOP, George Soros funded paid "activists", and of course the entire Democratic Party structure).

But what is surprising to me is the extent to which Hollywood Celebrities, Musicians, people in the Arts, etc. have all joined in to participate in the crooked "Deep State" agenda. There was a time when most of this culture was anti-War, and would have welcomed diplomacy with Russia (why not?). The fact that these people (Joy Behar, Bill Maher, Ellen Degeneres, etc.) now say things like: they miss George W. Bush -- shows just what tools they are for their corrupt Corporate sponsors, and just how thoughtless, and shallow, and lacking in ethics they really are.

Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld slaughtered over 1 Million innocent people in Iraq, created a program of global U.S. Torture Chambers, bankrupted the Nation by $3 Trillion, and got more of our Americans killed and murdered ..since back in the days of Vietnam. Bush and his team were responsible both for: 1) the 9/11 attack & demolition carnage, and 2) manipulating that event with complete Lies to put our Country into endless, perpetual Global Warfare -- and create Worldwide chaos and tragedy. The great Wall Street theft, and U.S. economic meltdown also occurred on his watch. And yet now we're supposed to like George W. Bush, and accept this criminal as the voice of reason?

Whatever anyone may think about Trump, or project about him, he is not a Worldwide genocidal, mass-murdering tyrant like George W. Bush (and Cheney and Rumsfeld) hellbent on using Americans as cannon fodder, and plundering the economy. The fact that "the Left" and the Neocon Warhawks are now one in the same today .... is a little scary.

Liberals support The "Deep State" War and Coup Against President Donald Trump

I used to loath Fox News, and look to MSNBC or CNN for information. But in the past year everything has shifted. The only place left on TV where you might not have to sit through pure anti-Trump bias (and get real info) is now FOX News. And people I once admired like Michael Moore ... I just cannot listen to anymore. On some level he must still know that the Trade agreements were bad, and that Obamacare was always a bad bill (pure Corporatism, and not affordable). So why is he out there calling for a Coup against Trump, and the installation of Hillary Clinton? This is getting crazy.

So "The Left" has become the new "Right" (and the new Reich). They are now the McCarthyism. They are the allies and puppets of the "Deep State". They are now the Warmongers (along with the John McCain Republicans). They are the liars, and the Fake News.

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@detroitmechworks

It's when we fear speaking out that it becomes most imperative to.

But immediate massive boycotts of all criminal corporations and rotating General Strikes with at least some crowd-sourced financial support for strikers would be a great start.

Life itself is at stake here, and there's little time.

It's the PTB pulling the puppet-strings who are the real enemy, even more the problem than the pathetic political Greedsters frantically chasing their money without even realizing that any global doom they create for cash includes them and that in the very near future - even if nukes are avoided - it won't be very nice outside ever, ever again.

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A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

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Tower pre-election are signals of further meltdown, and he's on vaca in FL, again, resting. And yes, he did spell it tapp.

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@riverlover there, I said it. I see a lot of Afterberners coming to Trumps defense, especially on WayoftheBern. Wtf? It's possible for the DNC and Trump to both be dangerous jokes at the same time.

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@Cassandrus He's not a Russian stooge. FFS. There's no evidence of that at all. Unless you're counting "I'd rather make business deals off Russia than bomb the shit out of them" as being a "Russian stooge."

Can we just say he's a bastard with ugly ideas and leave it at that?

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

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There is no justice. There can be no peace.

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@TheOtherMaven I'm up for that. Smile

See, I knew Trump was an asshole a long time ago, much longer than most people, because I'm a pro wrestling fan. He's big buddies with Vince. So people shrieking at me that he's a terrible person don't make a lot of impression. To quote Snatch, "Yeah, Dad, you told us!"

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--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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@Cassandrus Also, people are instinctively reacting against focusing on Trump the Big Evil Bad Guy--for one thing, the establishment wants us to do just that, that's why the mainstream press has been screaming about him and his evil ways nonstop. For a second thing, even if Trump is the Big Evil Bad, we just got rid of one Big Evil Bad in George W Bush, and you saw how well that worked. Focusing on the individual strongman won't do jack or shit.

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"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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"The only President who was both a wrestler and a porn star".

Donald Trump appears in unearthed 2000 Playboy porn video

Donald Trump | wwe.com

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Lol, I don't think I could face watching a Trump porn video, even though in one sense I'd almost like to see that, in case it's real. And I'll bet there'll be deep 'moral outrage' over that, since sex is about the only mortal sin to the Religious Right and some who ought to know better but will use it to it's (stubby?) hilt...

Now, a snuff film would have been fine to them, and apparently the Bush Admin's slavering over sexual humiliation pics/videos of war-lord sold-out kidnapped cab drivers and farmers being tortured in Gitmo doesn't merit mention, now that Democracy-Destroying War-Crime Bush is such a fine fellow to his Dem emulators - but willing sex among consenting adults Who Are Not Married To Each Other? (Bill being exceptional and all.) So I just wish I had popcorn for the fuss to be made over this porn video, if it really does involve Trump... The actress(es) will no doubt be determined to be Russian spies/diplomats in disguise, though. Just can't get Russia!!! out of anything, these days.

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they don't want a president anymore.

Well, one can hope.

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@Big Al @Big Al the year most people (or at least a plurality) realized we didn't have a democracy anymore and haven't for a long time.

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@Steven D

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@Big Al Yeah, rolling downhill, with both parties pushing us off the cliff (unless we've purchased their temporary loyalty with bribes that is).

As Bette Davis said:

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@Steven D by land, sea or snow. Most of America is feeling mild panic, at least, save the still-strutting Trumpbots (who show up regularly on FB now, wondering if they are bots).

Life jackets on! Helmets, too, perhaps.

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@riverlover
Going to have to do some exercises. At my age, it's one hell of long stretch to kiss my ass goodbye.

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@Steven D

We are a republic with widespread suffrage. http://www.democraticunderground.com/12779941

If people think--as many have been brainwashed to do--that they already have democracy, they won't fight for democracy, or, given how bad our republic stinks, even want democracy.

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@HenryAWallace [INSERT Clouseau voice} Not anymore.

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"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
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the Middle East.
Report from the Red Cross

http://reliefweb.int/report/world/famine-africa-and-middle-east-preventa...
Famine in Africa and the Middle East: a preventable tragedy
The main cause of hunger – and of wider humanitarian need – in all four countries is protracted (and intractable) armed conflict. All are characterised by asymmetric warring parties, particularly fragmented and multiplying non-state armed groups; by a widespread lack of respect for even the most fundamental rules of international humanitarian law; and by a lack of any viable political solution to end them. In addition, all of these armed conflicts have regional repercussions, which in the case of northern Nigeria are being felt across the entire Lake Chad region. 

The fact that this global crisis was completely ignored by the useless Trump will go down in history. What a loser!

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@HenryAWallace

Starving civilian populations seems to be a popular activity among warmongers and it doesn't bother TPTB a bit. In fact, some of them and their lackeys seem to want an endless procession of babies born to all of the women of the world simply so that there are more children available to starve, bomb or orphan. Does Trump even know about this? Not that I'd expect him to care or even realize those are real people suffering and dying...

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@Ellen North

One is abstract fairness, double standards, etc., which is a perennial issue of mine in general. Condemning Trump for something that did not begin with him goes against a fundamental of mine.

The other is the red team, blue team mind game the politicians play and have succeeded with for too long. The name of this board is the 99%, not the 50%. If they had failed in dividing us according to teams, our lives would be different now. I am not sure we still have a shot. If we do, it lies in unifying the 99% (well, more like 90%, but close enough). That is not going to happen as long as keep excusing one team or the other.

If we have a shot, it's grokking once and for all that it's the majority of us against the plutocrats who have controlled us throughout our history.

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@HenryAWallace

Thanks and totally agree!

Also realized that I'd left unclear the fact that I was actually wondering whether, under the onslaught of information and attack that the politically naive (in the sense of never having held public office) new President was being subjected to, he even knew any details about that particular famine. Pretty big globe and there's been an awful lot of damage done to an awful lot of countries by an awful lot of greed among a relatively small group of awful people... also, I rather doubt that his interests and concerns would be naturally directed toward such concerns, quite apart from a myriad factors pertaining to his own immediate situation.

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@HenryAWallace
No, before his time in office there were a few years of war and conflict encouraged by outside powers that precipitated the famine. The point is, the human-caused famine was declared very recently while he was in office. It is going on NOW. As a so-called leader of a super-power, he does not even acknowledge it.

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@MarilynW

makes it right. However, it seems to me that Trump gets criticized for the same things for which Democrats don't get criticized, whether it's Democrats who have left office or Democrats now holding office. Also seems to me that a lot of people did nothing while the famine developed.

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Instead of 24/7 coverage of Russian infiltration of Amerika and how Pence's AOL account as a state governor was exactly the same as Hillary running an email server computer in her basement, the big weekend story is about Trump acknowledging that the NSA records phone calls even when Americans are on the line.

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@edg any story is bout 5 minutes.

They have even forgotten [in the main] the long list of ongoing foreign wars.

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@LaFeminista and what countries border these large bodies of water. Blank looks. US has always been bad with geography, used to be so hard with re-naming of entire regions into countries, so why bother? Nunavut. Try that one. No awareness even of N America.

There are probably college-level courses now in geopolitics. I wish more had to take that type of course.

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@LaFeminista Based upon my own personal experience in a small local Peace vigil, most Americans do not even realize that we are bombing seven countries (or maybe eight?). Heck, now even I have lost count of the number of wars we are involved in. Blush

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“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

@edg

Using a private email account could just be habit. You don't buy a private server inadvertently.

Also:

The law of Pence's state on the subject may be different from federal law on the subject.

Did Pence have a computer expert wipe his AOL account?

Did Pence lie about his private email account?

Does Pence have a private foundation through which he was peddling influence with the state?

Unless we know the answers to all the above, we really can't say the two situations are comparable, let alone identical.

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Lol, good; Pence will be easily hackable by schoolchildren and we'll find out what he's up to.

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A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/03/03/the-web-of-re...

In the most abstract sense, there is nothing noteworthy about a government official meeting with an ambassador from a foreign country. When such an interaction becomes important is when that official is an ally of a presidential campaign that’s got a complex set of possibly inappropriate relationships with other representatives of that ambassador’s country — and when that official while under oath says he did not have communications with representatives of that country.

What we’re going to endeavor to do here is to parse out that complex set of relationships, using the information we have at hand. In this case, as you’ve hopefully ascertained, the country at issue is Russia and the campaign is that of President Trump. The official, of course, is Attorney General Jeff Sessions. And the ambassador is, at this point, the linchpin of a lot of the interactions between Trump and the rest of his team.
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Rex Tillerson, secretary of state. Before he was confirmed to serve as the head of the State Department, even Republicans questioned Tillerson’s relationship to Putin. As the head of ExxonMobil, Tillerson helped negotiate a massive agreement between the Russian government and ExxonMobil-Rosneft, a partnership between the two companies. Tillerson was subsequently awarded the “Order of Friendship” by Putin.

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Tilerson having received the Russian Order of Friendship from Putin is the final, incontrovertible proof that Trump and his minions are nothing but puppets of Putin.

Just look at some of the other winners of the Order of Friendship:

  • The Right Honourable Jean Chrétien, PC, OM, CC, QC, former Prime Minister of Canada
  • Adrienne Clarkson, Governor General of Canada
  • Van Cliburn, renowned pianist (USA)
  • Marcel Prud'homme, Senator (Canada)
  • James W. Symington, a former member of the U.S. House of Representatives (USA)
  • Slobodan D. Marković, creator and director of Subotica International Children's Theatre Festival (Serbia)

Trump is building the wall on the wrong end of America just to mislead us. It is painfully obvious that the real threat is the socialist Great White North. That country has the very same weather as Siberia, the place where Putin likes to build his gulags. If Trump remains in power, we can expect to be shipped north in cattle cars for having the temerity to post in c99.

What's even more disgusting as seen from list above, Putin has been using sweet, innocent children in his maniacal attempts to take back Serbia. Many people (who must remain secret in fear for their lives) have undeniable proof that Putin has an unhealthy appetite for tender young children. He even invited the children of 35 US diplomats to the Kremlin for Christmas diner, for dog's sake. Good thing Obama warned the diplomats to keep their children safe at home.

Tillerson's oily Exxon connections with Russia is just the tip of the iceberg. Putin actually made the very same deal with the NOC's in Norway, France and Italy. Can you believe that! It is obvious that Putin intends to rule the world. This man needs to be removed from power even if it means bombing the shit out of Russia and killing one million children. In the end, it will be worth it.

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@CB Virtually every Multinational has relationships with Russia at various levels.

What has been proven [as you state] so far with respect to government? What was discussed, where is the evidence?

When someone claims that our election process was distorted by a foreign power [how about Israel, Saudi Arabia?] I demand better proof than that they know each other. In that case you better add a whole bunch of Democrats and their backers.

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Wink Dirol
Here's picture of the WaPo reporter's desk:
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/cia-linked-newspaper-suffers-compl...

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@CB In the first place, I don't have any reason to trust the WaPo or anyone working for them. In the second place, even if all those crime-show-looking red strings mean something, again, who the fuck cares? At what point is a WaPo reporter going to put up a lot of red strings up representing the Clintons' business connections, or the Bushes'? Why is it suddenly a problem now that it's Trump--and why does anybody here want to follow where the mainstream press leads?

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal
Check out the link to RT. The WaPo reporter was pulling strings out of his ass.

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@CB OMG, the world has gotten so fucking crazy that I totally bought your snark as sincere. Dear Jesus Christ hopping on a pogo stick.

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--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

@detroitmechworks @Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

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@CB To be fair, I didn't get the snark either until your follow-up "proof". Well played Smile

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@CB

was snark. Then I decided it had to be.

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@CB So what? How is this any different than the business relationships the Bushes have with Saudi Arabia, or the Clintons have with, well, just about everybody? FFS. Are we pretending that business interests and governance are separate now? Seriously?

These business connections just mean that Trump and his merry band of pranksters want to make money off Russia. Like the Bushes wanted to make money of Saudi Arabia. It no more means that Trump is a Russian stooge than it meant that the Bushes, both of them, were Saudi stooges. It doesn't mean that the American government is going to do what the Russians want, necessarily. And if it did, how is that worse than the American government doing what the Saudis want, which has been going on for at least 15 years now? Why the massive freakout NOW? Why the resurrection of Cold War propaganda? This is no more a conspiracy than the status quo has been for over a decade at least.

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"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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Putin dining on children?

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@CB I thought it was Putin dining *with* children. You know, delicate hinting at the fact he might be a pedophile. That would be a smear well within the realm of possibility for the current propaganda machine.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

@CB It was Glenn Greenwald that noted that the Byzantine Russian conspiracy and connections resembled Beck's chalkboard talks which were more about clinical paranoia than reality. The insane irony of these McCarthyite conspiracy connections is that the largest group not buying it and who are in effect staving off war with Russia are Trump's lunatic supporters. The mass media and the democrats take any contact with anything or anybody Russian as immediately nefarious.

But this Russian conspiracy has powers beyond measure to divert big time. Anybody remember Hillary's corruption through the Clinton Foundation? It is absolutely horrid that anybody have a relationship with Russians due to Putin's evilness, but for years American businesses and lawmakers worked with communist China exporting jobs to factories of indentured servants and slaves.

I am afraid that that at this point the growing mass hysteria cannot be stopped.

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@MrWebster I remember it. You remember it.

Yeah, a lot of people remember it. But unfortunately, we just lost a lot of people who used to be with us, because they're off following a will o'the wisp:

Don't follow the lights. (2:10 on)

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"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

@CB

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Good for you, LaFem.

"By mixing a little truth into it, they made their lie a whole lot stronger."

C.S. Lewis, The Last Battle

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"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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I checked out the twitter rant. The responses were great. I hope he reads them.

Since the NSA has carte blanch to monitor everyone's meta data (it is far more revealing than they let on) What is he worried about? He insists on using a vulnerable android phone instead of a Blackberry or (blech) iPhone. Clinton was slammed for using a non-government issued Blackberry and rightly so -- The president of the U.S. is permitted to be a walking security breach?

Drumpf needs to be Baker acted.

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@sojourns I don't think so. It's pretty obvious the CIA wants him out. They haven't exactly been discreet about that. Why shouldn't Trump be upset?

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"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal --I could not care less about Donald Drumpf's comfort zone.

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@sojourns So because we don't like Trump, we're a-OK with the CIA undermining and attempting to remove an elected government?

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"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal --I'm simply not surprised and rather underwhelmed by Drumpf's latest hissy fit. You don't know any more than I do what the CIA had to do with it.

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@sojourns And we think he should be Baker Acted because...why?

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"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal --Are you a danger to yourself or others?

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@sojourns If we're going to Baker Act politicians on that basis, we'd better get us some big asylums. And if we include their donors/backers, we'll need even more.

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"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal -- I meant asylums.

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http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/web-relationships-between-washingt...

Making Scary 'Webs': A Tutorial For Serious Media Outlets
The Washington Post recently published a fancy-looking web of Russia paranoia and Trump "treason" garbage.

But they're not the only news outlet that knows how to use MS Paint. We made some slight improvements:

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@CB In our defense, it's become difficult to tell the Onion from the New York Times. People state insane things like they're facts every day, and every day, it seems, someone that I trusted and respected starts gabbling the same nonsense, as if someone put something in the water.

So, sorry for not noticing that it was snark. I did think, dear God, CB is usually a lot smarter than this! Another man overboard!

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"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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@CB That web needs Madalena the evil queen in it:

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"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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Nicely done.

Because I agree with it, it's pointless for me to parrot the gems that stir my mind. So, I will mention the one place with a logic hole:

1] Someone like Trump being monitored by the NSA would hardly be surprising then again nothing came of it, if indeed it happened. Why would he need a lawyer to make a case when he has direct access to the NSA and any associated documentation.

Presidents (temporary people) have no power over Deep State organizations like the NSA. Indeed, no temporarily elected "person" has the high security clearance necessary to provide one bit of oversight to the NSA. Temps never will, because that decision is up to the NSA and their Deep State brethren at State and Defense. They're the ones who currently own and operate the Federal Government. Together, they generate all of the "classified" information that the Federal government produces. The Deep State lives behind this wall.

There is no question that Donald Trump and every Neocon psychopath he selected for his cabinet has been deeply probed by the NSA. Every phone call they made today and during the past decade has been listened to and analyzed. Every email has been read. And, every conversation they have when they think they are alone is recorded (through their cell phone mic) and carefully analyzed. Every cell phone in the room is listening, as well.

So, the Deep State struck strategically to put them all on notice. It sobered them right up.

They are trapped like rats and they know it. The Obama's know exactly what that's like.

And that's why every day, the US continues forward, with Israel, executing their blueprint of select global genocide, the social dislocation of huge populations, the overthrow of uncooperative regimes, and thwarting the developmental rise of Eurasia. The Deep State have not missed a beat in the well-known ideology driving them since the beginning of the 21st century. That's a known reality. The clear and pre-stated path of the carnage at home and abroad makes this reality undeniable. This drive to total Empire will continue full force. The propaganda of hate and fear toward China and Russia pounds daily on the American people to soften them to what must be done: A thermonuclear first strike wiping both Russia and China off the face of the Earth.

We all know the quazi-religious battlefield we are standing on, right?

Just because he's Donald Trump doesn't mean his observations are a conspiracy theory. Nor does it mean that it's okay for Big Brother to be up Trump's ass. No one anywhere is taking direct action anymore. It's a survival instinct. We are all now reacting or counter-reacting, here and around the world. The Left can change that.

But we do have to be real with each other about what's really going on here, or we're going nowhere.

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@Pluto's Republic

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@Pluto's Republic Not at all too soon.

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"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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@Pluto's Republic --"Why would he need a lawyer to make a case when he has direct access to the NSA and any associated documentation."

Well, the NSA can also hide information from him and I don't think an army of lawyers could make a difference. Actually, I find them already withholding certain sensitive reports because he's a blabbermouth quite amusing.

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@sojourns

Why should they? He's just another temporary DC seat-warmer. Perhaps Trump is simply accusing Obama of condoning NSA surveillance of himself — but anyone paying attention since 2011 knows that the NSA is life-stripping everyone and storing the data for possible analysis later. It's not Obama's call, one way or the other. Presidents and the temporary Congress should expect to be the most deeply probed and penetrated humans of all. They voted for it. Trump must have anticipated this. That's how the Deep State controls the government. His Neocon advisors should have told him. (Thanks, Ed Snowden.)

I do share this with you:

Actually, I find them already withholding certain sensitive reports because he's a blabbermouth quite amusing.

There's some comfort in knowing that no President can act out his impulsive insanity while the Deep State is in place.

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@Pluto's Republic --He has treated the NSA horribly and without cause. Like 'em or hate 'em, the NSA is devout and one must tread upon them lightly. Even a president.

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@sojourns

Well played.

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Unless the NSA/PTB happen to be able to use a particular line of impulsive insanity, of course.

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A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

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Sorry I have not been posting comments as much of late, but I have felt overloaded, deflated, and quite frankly, numbed. I feel like I am living in an insane asylum that has allowed the patients to lock up the doctors and staff, and run the place as they see fit, and without any oversight. I am and have been unsure as to anything else to say.

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So long, and thanks for all the fish

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