These Republicans are dangerously insane warmongers

I didn't think it was possible to make Hillary Clinton look like some hippie pacifist, but the current crop of Republican candidates have proven me wrong. If they started beating their chests and howling like a deranged chimpanzees on stage it wouldn't surprise me at this point.

And it isn't just the men. Consider the batsh*t crazy stuff that Carly Fiorina said the other day.
No, I'm not talking about her bizarre claims about Planned Parenthood harvesting live brains. I'm not exactly sure why she thinks someone would require live brains, except to distract rampaging hoards of zombies (in which case I give Carly credit for forward thinking).

No, I'm talking about the really crazy stuff she uttered about foreign policy.

“Having met Vladimir Putin, I wouldn’t talk to him at all. We’ve talked way too much to him. What I would do, immediately, is begin rebuilding the Sixth Fleet, I would begin rebuilding the missile defense program in Poland. I would conduct regular, aggressive military exercises in the Baltic States. I’d probably send a few thousand more troops into Germany. Vladimir Putin would get the message.”

Yes, Carly would make sure that Putin would get the message that any possible cooperation with the United States would be a non-starter, even in places and situations where there might be common interests.

Gee, why would we want to talk to the other major nuclear power in this world? What possible reason could we have for that, other than avoiding armageddon?
One wonders what Fiorina would say about hippie traitors like Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan that dared to negotiate with the evil Soviet Union, rather than just waving our collective penises at them?
But she didn't stop there.

I would like to link these two issues, both of which are incredibly important, Iran and Planned Parenthood.

Wait, wait, wait. Don't tell me. How are Iran and Planned Parenthood linked?
Uh, it's a tricky one. I knew I should have read the clinic pamphlet closer.
Does it have something to do with Sharia Law? I bet it's Sharia Law!

One has something to do with the defense of the security of this nation. The other has something to do with the defense of the character of this nation.

Oh. Of course. The "obvious" answer.
Assuming that Carly didn't just commit a war crime for the extreme torturing of metaphors, what exactly does she have in mind?
Maybe she's saying that we must start airstrikes against Planned Parenthood clinics.

The really scary thing, and I'm talking Nightmare on Elm Street scary, is that Carly actually came across as the "smart one" in this debates.
The Republican men, well, they had testosterone to deal with.

Donald Trump lied in the first debate when he said, “I’m the most militaristic person there is.”
It wasn't a lie because of what The Donald has or has not said, but because of what the rabid, drooling, maniacal warmongers he's running against have said.

When it comes to the GOP race, the Donald can’t begin to match his competitors in warmongering bluster. “Most militaristic?” In this field? These guys have blood coming out of their eyeballs, blood even coming out of their… wherevers.

Earlier this week, Noam Chomsky was asked what he thought about the antics of Donald Trump. His response was utter brilliance.

Well, actually, I think we should recognize that the other candidates are not that different...
So just to keep to Iran, a couple of weeks ago, the two front-runners—they’re not the front-runners any longer—were Jeb Bush and Scott Walker. And they differed on Iran. Walker said we have to bomb Iran; when he gets elected, they’re going to bomb Iran immediately, the day he’s elected. Bush was a little—you know, he’s more serious: He said he’s going to wait 'til the first Cabinet meeting, and then they'll bomb Iran. I mean, this is just off the spectrum of not only international opinion, but even relative sanity.

Noam should know by now that sanity is an overrated commodity in right-wing politics these days.
Foreign policy debate in Republican Party circles these days has roughly the same subtly and complexity of a group of 7th grade bullies that have been drinking too much Yoo-hoo.
Senator Lindsey Graham may have the lilt of a southern dandy in his voice, but his words would make General Patton blush.

Here is the first thing I would do if I were President of the United States: I wouldn't let Congress leave town until we fix this. I would literally use the military to keep them in if I had to. We're not leaving town until we restore these defense cuts.

Yeh, using the military against Congress is just a bit over the top.
And let's not forget how Graham promised to assassinate anyone by drone who ever considered joining ISIS. Has Trump dared to start extra-judicial killing of Americans? I don't think so.
Then there is everyone's favorite pastime, invading Iraq.

Sen. Lindsey Graham, the saddest-looking man in politics, said repeatedly, even when the question wasn’t asked, that he would send American ground troops back to Iraq and Syria, and anyone who wouldn’t isn’t “ready to be commander-in-chief.”

Let's not forget Scott Walker. He's also won't rule out a "full-blown" invasion of Iraq, and as for Iran, well, Walker is prepared to show leadership.

"I believe that a president shouldn’t wait to act until they put a cabinet together or an extended period of time,” Walker said. “I believe they should be prepared to act on the very first day they take office. It’s very possible – God forbid, but it’s very possible – that the next president could be called to take aggressive actions, including military action, on the first day in office."

Just about everyone running for president as a Republican thinks bombing Iran is a good idea, including Jeb Bush.

Bush has now rolled out, and adhered to, a tangle of views that could be mistaken for his brother’s—void the Iran agreement and possibly attack Iran, rescind President Barack Obama’s 2009 executive order banning torture, and possibly send thousands of U.S. troops back into Iraq—and none of them is even remotely controversial among his co-partisans.

Jeb figures that we just aren't torturing enough folks. Not like in the good 'ol days.
And then there is Jeb's quote, “taking out Saddam Hussein turned out to be a pretty good deal.” Which shouldn't surprise you when you consider that Paul Wolfowitz has Jeb’s ear.
Face it Trump, you just aren't in the same class of warmonger that Jeb Bush is.

Who can forget Florida senator Marco Rubio. Marco made a name for himself a few months ago when he decided to channel Liam Neeson.

"When people ask what our strategy should be on global jihadists and terrorists, I refer them to the movie, 'Taken,'" Rubio said. "Have you seen the movie 'Taken'? Liam Neeson, he has a line -- this is what our strategy should be: We will look for you, we will find you, and we will kill you."

Marco should tell Obama that, because its totally not what we've been doing for 14 years.
What does he think was Obama's mistake in Libya? He didn't bomb sooner.

Mike Huckabee has them all beat!
Huckabee actually had to come out and officially deny being a warmonger.
When you feel it is necessary to officially deny being a warmonger, it's probably because you are one.
To me, that puts Mike in the lead for Chief Warmonger.
Mike also created a new daisy ad to stop the Iran deal.

Let's not leave out Bobby Jindal. He thinks that gun control means “hitting your target.” Bobby has strong opinions about how to win against ISIS.

Gov. Bobby Jindal said we were losing the war on terror because President Obama refuses to call our enemy “radical Islamic terrorism.” (Presumably ISIS will be vanquished, like Beetlejuice, when President Jindal utters these words three times.)

The truly scary thing is that these guys are the sane and informed ones, on a Republican relative scale.
For instance, consider Rick Perry.

Rick Perry, who probably came to the debate fully prepped to recite the three cabinet departments he’d abolish, said that thousands of Americans have died in Lebanon and Iran—among several other incoherent statements. He also said that he’d send Fiorina to renegotiate an Iran deal—thus sending a signal that she would probably make a better president than he would.
George Pataki, who somehow believes that having been elected governor in “the blue state of New York” makes him a favorite to defeat Hillary Clinton, said that he would go after homegrown Islamic terrorists by “shutting down their Internet capability.”

Maybe we should combine these two strategies and shut down Iran's internet, thus saving thousands of American lives in Lebanon.

Meanwhile Ted Cruz has his own plan for defeating ISIS, and it starts with killing Americans.

Sen. Ted Cruz ridiculed Gen. Martin Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, for recently testifying that there is no military solution to defeating ISIS, and that the socio-political conditions on the ground need to change. “That is nonsense,” Cruz said of what specialists in the region regard as a basic truism. His solution for crushing ISIS: Kill Americans who join any jihadi movement, and elect a president unafraid to utter the words “radical Islamic terrorists.”

No need for that talky-talk thingy. Just kill 'em some bad guys.

Rand Paul injected some rare sanity into the debate by saying that, “We do need to be engaged with Russia. It doesn’t mean we give them a free pass, or China a free pass, but, to be engaged, to continue to talk. We did throughout the Cold War, and it would be a big mistake not to do it here.”
Saying common sense things like that is probably when Rand Paul is only polling at 3%.

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since it is on the crazy republicans, it might get some traction

the democrats, like the political parties in UK, support wars, for the most part

and when someone shows how crazy they are, they are attacked for being crazy - speaking about socialist Jeremy Corbyn who has a reasonable position on the wars and that is too far outside the oligarchy policies

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Normally I wouldn't bother with a "look at those crazy Republicans" post, but they are just plain dangerous.
And DKos is so damn predictable. They are all over anything resembling misogyny and racism. The so-called liberals there are all over that.

But "these guys might blow up the world and kill us all"? Dkos liberals don't have time for petty stuff like Armageddon. They are only interested in important Outrage Porn.

So someone had to mention that these guys could end the world, and that someone appears to be me.

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enhydra lutris's picture

I've been meaning to thank you for just going ahead and publishing appropriate stuff directly there, since I miss a lot of stuff. Consider yourself thanksed.

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

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A Syrian Kurdish offensive described last week by U.S. officials as the most effective assault to date on the Islamic State has ground to a virtual halt because of Turkey’s opposition to the advance and Kurdish commanders’ reluctance to extend their frontlines beyond Kurdish areas, Syrian Kurdish and Arab militants say.
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Mustafa Abdi, a Kurdish activist and journalist with close ties to the YPG, said that the Kurds had intended to link the areas they control – the northeastern Jazera and Kobani enclaves with the north central Afrin canton – into a contiguous Kurdish-controlled security zone that effectively would span most of Syria’s 560-mile border with Turkey.

But Turkey, which recently has seen a re-ignition of a decades-old insurgency by separatists of its own Kurdish minority, objected to the plan and threatened to intervene militarily if the YPG moved to capture Jarabulus, a mixed Arab and Turkmen city, because of fears that the Kurds could declare a state on the territory.

“The advance stalled after the Turkish government announced it would intervene on the ground if there was further advancement,” Abdi said.

Local fighters said that the Syrian Kurds also hesitated to carry their offensive into predominantly Arab areas, a reluctance that would undermine U.S. hopes that a Kurdish-led force would spearhead an assault on Raqqa, the Syrian city that is the de facto capital of the Islamic State.

“We could take Raqqa with the YPG’s help,” said Abu Sharja, an Arab who is a commander with a moderate Syrian rebel group called the Raqqa Revolutionaries. “But the Kurds have no interest in Raqqa. They only want to connect the Kurdish areas under their control to form a state.”
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In the days after the YPG and other Syrian rebel groups took Tal Abyad, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan denounced the Kurdish advance and warned that Turkey would take military action if the YPG advanced on either Jarabulus or Azzaz, effectively ending the western direction of the offensive. Turkish troops also fired a series of artillery warning shots to deliver a message to the Kurdish militia as it advanced on the town.

“We were ready to go in with an FSA unit composed of Turkmen and Arabs to liberate the city. But we also recognize that the Turks are very concerned about the formation of a Kurdish state in Syria and we made the decision not to confront the Turks directly,” said Abdi, the Kurdish activist and journalist with close ties to the YPG.

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“The U.S. is not paying a price in this matter today, it is us who pay the bill and know what the PYD and the YPG are doing,” Erdoğan said after performing his Eid al-Adha prayer early on Sept. 24 in Istanbul.

Turkish officials have repeatedly raised concerns about the YPG’s ties to the outlawed Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK), but also said the group was not a target unless it targets Turkey.

“Thus I think they will re-evaluate this wrong view. We see DAESH as a terrorist organization, along with the PYD, similar organizations and the PKK,” he said. DAESH is the Arabic acronym for the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL).

“We don’t consider the YPG a terrorist organization, and they have proven successful against ISIL inside Syria. And as I said, we’re going to continue to work with counter-ISIL fighters who are and can be successful against this group, and they’re not all Kurds,” U.S. State Department Spokesperson John Kirby said Sept. 21 while responding to a question on the differences between the Turkish and the U.S. stance against the group.

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Goldwater scared everyone by saying either nuke North Vietnam or get out.

So they voted for LBJ.

Result?

The Gulf of Tonkin lie and subsequent huge escalation.

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that they are competing not only with each other but with the Dems. Between Hillary, Webb, and Biden They are just as hawkish though just a smidge cautious and bet-hedging about their militarism.

Bernie still hasn't said much (if anything) on this, though he seems a tad more circumspect when it comes to unleashing the MIC on the world.

And O'Malley? Apart from seeming like a typical mainstream Dem, I don't know anything about his stances on the issue.

Really, the hawk ground is pretty well covered by both wings of our one-party state, so you gotta go batshit to get any traction in preseason.

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"Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it."
-- John Lennon