Socialists did pretty good yesterday; Democrats pretend it didn't happen

DNC chairman Tom Perez phoned MSNBC to gloat minutes after establishment candidate Ralph Northam won the Virginia Governor's race.

Perez proceeded to name-check Elizabeth Guzman and Hala Ayala, the first Latinas ever elected to the House, but then Hayes asked him about another candidate—one who’d barely received any national attention throughout the campaign. “There’s also, I believe, a Marine veteran who identifies as a democratic socialist who, if I’m not mistaken, is running competitively with someone in the House GOP leadership,” he said. “The House GOP whip might lose to a socialist Marine veteran? Is that actually happening?”
It was indeed. Democrat Lee Carter, a red-haired, 30-year-old Marine veteran from Manassas, won a remarkable nine-point victory to oust Delegate Jackson Miller, a deep-pocketed Republican incumbent who serves as House Majority Whip. Carter ran openly as a socialist—he and his supporters crooned the union anthem “Solidarity Forever” after their victory—and he won with almost no institutional support from the state Democratic Party. The Richmond Times-Dispatch’s Patrick Wilson reported last month that party leaders “abandoned” Carter after he declined to report campaign metrics like the number of doors he’d knocked and the amount of money he’d raised. Carter told Wilson he “ceased reporting to the House caucus after multiple information security lapses in which confidential information that we reported to the House caucus was leaked outside of the party infrastructure.” But he also said the party leaders “wanted a bit more editorial control over my messaging than I was comfortable with.” Wilson wrote that “Democratic Party leaders were not eager to discuss Carter, preferring to promote other candidates.” In fact, Wilson called Carter “the kind of rogue candidate that gives an apparatus like the Democratic Party of Virginia a fit.”

That is just plain f*cking awesome. Neither the Republican, nor the Democratic establishment wanted him. No one took him seriously.
The socialist still won the biggest upset of the day, and the Democrats want to pretend it didn't happen. Just like Republicans.

Miller, the Republican candidate, naturally didn’t see Carter’s socialism as part of a proud American tradition. After largely ignoring him for most of the campaign, he sent out mailers comparing Carter to Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong.
...At the same time, Carter was happy to talk about socialism when asked. “If you’re to the left of Barry Goldwater, Republicans are going to call you a socialist anyway, so you may as well just own the label,” he said.

Note to GOP: The Cold war is over.
It looks like Republicans yelling "Socialism! Ahhhh!" is not working any better than Democrats yelling 'Racism! Ahhh!"
Both parties have overused and misused the labels until people no longer care.

Carter worked well with his local Democratic Party throughout the campaign, but acknowledged the state party was a different story. “On the state level, it is a bit more strained,” he said. “The corporations I’m actively attacking fund the state party. It’s obviously going to create some tension.”

Bingo!
Carter's victory was the highlight yesterday, but it wasn't the only victory for socialists.

At least 12 candidates endorsed by the DSA, the country's largest socialist organization, won races Tuesday and at least 13 candidates endorsed by Our Revolution, the group started by Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., also won. Many of the DSA-endorsed candidates were endorsed by Our Revolution and vice versa.
Other winners backed by DSA and Our Revolution include Seema Singh Perez, who was elected to the Knoxville, Tenn. city council; Brian Nowak to the Cheektowaga, N.Y. town council; Tristan Rader to the Lakewood, Ohio city council; Charles Decker to the council of Ward 9 in New Haven, Ct.; Anita Prizio to the Allegheny County, Penn. council; and J.T. Scott and Bew Ewen Campen, who were both elected to the city council in Somerville, Mass.
Instead of running candidates in third parties, the strategy for Our Revolution and DSA has been to elect progressive candidates in an effort to push the Democratic Party left.
"Absolutely, we definitely want to primary neoliberal Democrats," said Maria Svart, the DSA's national director.

Yeh buddy!
The progressive insurgency is gathering momentum.

One last note, yesterday was a good day for marijuana legalization too.

Phil Murphy, the incoming governor, campaigned on marijuana legalization.
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Ralph Northam, who just got a raise from lieutenant governor to the state's top job, made marijuana decriminalization a centerpiece of his campaign, often putting the issue in stark racial justice terms.
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in districts that had a socialist running. Since the MSM hasn't mentioned turnout at all, I'm willing to bet that it was far more significant than they're willing to admit.

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I don't Blame Christians. I Blame Stupid. Which Sadly, is a much more popular religion these days.

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No clear winner emerged in the competitive Minneapolis Ward 3 city council race Tuesday night.
About 34 percent of first-choice votes went to Socialist Alternative candidate Ginger Jentzen — the most of the four candidates. DFL-endorsed candidate Steve Fletcher received 28.24 percent of first-choice votes, the second-most of the candidates. For second-choice votes, Fletcher finished first with 38.22 percent, while Jentzen finished last in second-choice votes with 13.65 percent.

75%+

The Democratic Socialists picked up a historic 15 seats across the country, adding to the 20 members they already have in office.
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The Socialists are coming? An unexpected election outcome

But Tuesday night was an unambiguous win for at least one local political movement: Democratic Socialism.
Two candidates endorsed by the Pittsburgh chapter of the Democratic Socialists of America — district judge candidate Mik Pappas and County Council District 3 candidate Anita Prizio — toppled veteran incumbents Tuesday night. Those wins were the first notched by a local chapter of a fast-growing political national movement, and as the Post-Gazette reported in September, they were an early test of its strength here.
...Mr. Pappas won by a commanding margin of 55 to 45 percent over incumbent Democrat Ron Costa, who has a well-known Pittsburgh name, and had held the seat in the East End district for more than two decades. Ms. Prizio, who could not be reached for comment Wednesday morning, had a closer fight, beating Republican incumbent Ed Kress by just under 300 votes — a margin of roughly 1.5 percentage points.

Can the cynics on C99P doubt anymore that there is a nationwide progressive insurgency?

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@gjohnsit I'm going to be cynical until real change happens.

I am seeing INSANE amounts of pushback against leftists all over the MSM today. (I consider Twitter to be MSM at this point.)

You know what the top hashtag is? #ThankYouHillary Yes, the full throated declaration of victory by the establishment is running full speed and far too many are believing it.

I believe in small scale victories, but that they will remain small. The issues people care about are winners, but are actively silenced where ever the MSM goes.

I want to believe. I do. But I've seen this before, and every single time the great hopes of the election proceed to quick co-option and "This is the best we can do" rhetoric, nearly instantly.

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don't let the bus pass you by

“There’s a progressive resurgence in the South,” said Nina Turner, a former state senator from Ohio and president of a new political organization called Our Revolution. Our Revolution, which spun out of Sanders’s presidential campaign, is one of several national organizations supporting progressive candidates for local office.

“There’s no state too red for us to go into,” Turner said. “We’re not going to leave any state or anybody in any state behind because they’re not ‘electorally viable.’”

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@gjohnsit Socialist success will be in SPITE of the Democrats.

They will sabotage, steal, cheat, and do whatever is necessary to silence the anti-corporate feel that is gripping the country.

As I said, I want to believe, but I do not trust the Democrats. They have stabbed us in the back far too many times.

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@detroitmechworks

Socialist success will be in SPITE of the Democrats.

But if we don't give up, we WILL win.
We've got them outnumbered.

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@gjohnsit As you have written relative few have been voting due to disgust with the duopoly. Given a candidate running on issues extremely important to them coupled with enthusiastic campaign workers with effective plans, that could change and make a huge difference in turnout.

At the national level the insurgence will continue to be up against the kind of rigging we saw with the establishment Dems' Clinton candidacy, as well as corporate media support and propaganda. Money money money.

Still, I am supporting the progressive insurgence v giving up. Even if, as many here rightly argue, the Democratic Party is a dead end worth no further support, until another alternative comes along I will continue that support.

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A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.

@detroitmechworks it is important to distinguish between "Democrats" and the leadership of the Democratic Party. The function of the leadership of the Democratic Party is to limit how far left the Democratic Party can go, to make sure it does not attack the corporate powers that be. On the other hand, only a fraction of rank and file Democrats are corporate stooges and we will never win without them. We need to excise the cancerous leadership from the Democratic party.

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@Roy Blakeley That's true. The reason for my skepticism (to put it mildly) is that I've already been through a multi-year process of trying to get rid of those leaders, a process I invested in massively to my own detriment, and we got crap nothing out of it. We went further to the right, and normalized most of Bush's policies. Once considered extreme, they are now considered inevitable.

That's what we got for winning. What we've been living in between 2008 and 2016 is what we got for winning. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Without a new strategy for how to get rid of those people, no movement to take the Democratic party to the left has a chance, and frankly, the idea that those people in leadership are removable, or that, were they removed, they'd be replaced by anybody except people who do the same things but give better speeches (like Obama), is improbable at best. In any case, somebody's going to have to have a better strategy than "primary establishment Dems with progressives!" "turn out the vote!"

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somebody's going to have to have a better strategy than "primary establishment Dems with progressives!" "turn out the vote!"

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The biggest gains for admittedly Socialist Democrats are in the South.

The solid crimson South.

While Wisconsin still has a right-wing Governor and a Congresscritter to his right serving (the corporations) in Congress.

This seems to me as if we've really gone down Lewis Carroll's rabbit hole, and nothing is going to make sense for a while......

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Socialists are gaining where the Democratic Party establishment isn't.

The Dems are the primary obstacle of socialism, not conservatives.

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They will do everything they can to sabotage the 2018 election, just t backstab the progressives. How and how effectively we respond will be the decider.

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That Twitter represents an accurate pulse of what Americans are thinking. Twitter, along with Facebook and Google, probably more closely represent what Twitter, Facebook and Google have decided is the narrative, as in "top" trending hashtags. Algorithms are just another way of customizing the narrative.

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@zoebear of what the Corporate Media is going to be spewing a few days in advance.

And absolutely Twitter has been caught censoring algorithms and colluding to push messages. No fucking surprise there, from our corporate slime overlords.

I only worry when the people I trust start mouthing them. Which is very rarely, thank god.

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@zoebear I should have read down further--you just stated what I was trying to say, far better.

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Now you know how I usually feel after reading your posts Smile

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@zoebear Smile

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The issue is patriotism. You've got to get back to your planet and stop the Commies. All it takes is a few good men.
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@zoebear

which I never do.

I follow individuals and organizations so my feed on Twitter, and on Facebook choose the option show this first. That way what I see are what I want to read, not what they want to show.

Now if Twitter and FB and Google News keep censoring ........

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Of further censorship. And much more incentive as 2020 approaches.

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EDIT:Whoop's look like it was already posted, but its
still worth posting again.

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@detroitmechworks Well, but now that Twitter has admitted to outright censorship (RT and Sputnik), as well as continuing the shitty games they have been playing for a while with determining what trends and what doesn't, making people's feeds only appear to their subscribers if they don't like what the people are saying, etc.---after all that, I wouldn't expect anything else to be the top hashtag at Twitter. Like MSNBC and CNN, they are part of the Clinton/Bush political machine.

It's true that a lot of people who used to stand with us are now following this crap I Love Hillary Because Trump's So Bad philosophy, but I wouldn't generalize too broadly from that, no matter how depressing it is to talk to a loved one or an ally and hear that stuff coming out of their mouths. Remember that if the election were held again today, she and Trump would be neck and neck, despite the fact that the country can't stand Trump.

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The issue is patriotism. You've got to get back to your planet and stop the Commies. All it takes is a few good men.
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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal They are actually censoring users from the left. It is becoming a purge of sorts over there. The left users are not buying it either and are refusing to go quietly.

I handle the C99 account at Twitter and usually refrain from editorializing too much over there because I must remember my tweets reflect all of our users here. But the wave of censorship over there prompted me to tweet this.

Everyone here knows I hate war, but I am also passionately against censorship.

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@gulfgal98

Although I wish some tech savvy progressive could come up with something to compete with Twitter, or somehow come up with a way that would allow us to get around the censorship that is now spreading across social media.

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@detroitmechworks
but I'm less than convinced that anything special happened last night except a Yuuuuge win by Dems. Twelve or 13 wins by Socialists might be the beginning of a movement, of something special, but if that's all there was then certainly Hillary and her bots can take the credit for the big win - and do it with a straight face.
That said, twelve compared to zero last time is a good start, and I Do believe it's the beginning of something special - more wins for progressives and Socialists. Sooner rather than later. 2020 could be bigly if we get a similar turnout next year.

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Twelve or 13 wins by Socialists might be the beginning of a movement

It's not the "beginning". It's only the latest milestone.

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@gjohnsit
start somewhere. Let 2017 be the start.

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I wonder how much it cost Her to buy that?

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From TYT Politics contributor:

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Her sells!

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Bernie, are calling for Party unity. Just this evening, he called Donna Brazile 'courageous.' (on CNN) When asked if he could support the centrist Governor of Virginia, he said that while Northam wasn't his first choice--he personally supported Perriello in the primary--all Dems have to come together to defeat DT.

My question is,

"How is it that the Dem Party rank-and-file electing a corporatist Dem officeholder, who twice voted for the President of the supposed opposing legacy party--that President also being the very person who led what's generally considered the most misguided and devastating imperialistic set of adventures in US history--some kind of 'advancement' of progressive values or goals?"

Sorry. I just don't get it.

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@gjohnsit Yeah, I can.

Let me know when y'all have toppled the people controlling the Democratic party. Or when Congress passes a bill that genuinely reverses the Patriot Act, the Telecommunications Act, the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, or the Bush tax cuts. Or when Congress ceases to operate under Obama's Paygo policy. Or when Congress passes a bill that genuinely gets us off petroleum as a civilian fuel and onto an economy driven primarily by renewables. Or when they start making military expenditures a question rather than an assumption. Or when they try to get us back to a place where we declare war, or else we are at peace, and it's Congress that gets to make the declaration. Or when they investigate a single Wall St fraudster other than Bernie Madoff.

Or when these concerns start to drive state legislatures, or even the Democratic minorities in those legislatures. Or when the state parties start to rebel (god knows they have reason enough).

What I do believe is that there are good people trying around the country, and a handful of them are succeeding. Not enough, yet, to disturb the balance of power. Once it gets close to disturbing the status quo, you will see the long knives come out, one way or another. Probably through some form of voter suppression, election fraud, or character assassination.

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The issue is patriotism. You've got to get back to your planet and stop the Commies. All it takes is a few good men.
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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

Let me know when y'all have toppled the people controlling the Democratic party.

In other words, you don't care until the war is already over and won?
Fine.
But that precludes you from being a progressive. Just a pessimist.

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Let me know when y'all have toppled the people controlling the Democratic party.

Oh. Okay.

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@divineorder Yeah, I'm a third-generation Floridian, so sometimes I talk like a Southerner. Don't know why that matters?

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal I use it myself all my life. Can't help it.

I was just surprised at the 'us v them' .

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@divineorder I'm not against you. But I'm not participating in this venture (getting leftier Democrats elected). You all are. That's the only place "y'all" came from.

I support your ultimate goals, which are policy goals (if I'm understanding correctly). The politics is supposed to be a means to an end, and the end is good policy, which I bet you and I and most people here agree on. I don't support your methods, because I've tried them repeatedly with frankly awful results.

This is a very surreal day for me, b/c at the same time I'm having this discussion here, I'm having another discussion in a different essay defending the fact that this site can be non-partisan and still have partisans participating in it. That the existence of people who want to work through the Democratic party on this site doesn't mean that everybody here is marching in lockstep or that this site is some kind of Democratic party organ. That in fact we've got both people who want to save the Democratic party and those who want it to burn to the ground represented here, and most of the time, we can talk civilly to one another and even be friends. That's remarkable, almost unique on the Internet (in my experience).

It's not us vs them. It's you're trying to build something, and I don't think the blueprint's good, having tried to build off it before, and having the building come down around my head. Maybe it fell down for other reasons, and you're right and I'm wrong. Time will tell. But our disagreement over method doesn't put us on opposing sides.

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal Not as far as I'm concerned, anyway!

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal and it didn't work for you. Surely most of us here tried the party and have rejected the Democratic Party leadership. However coming off a bit disingenuous when one considers the changed circumstances of now, ie explosive growth of Democratic Socialists, the rapid dismantling of bureacracy and regulation, unanticipated rapididity of climate change and thus a brand new urgency for change.

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@divineorder I don't see a lot of change in the Democratic Party power structure or how it behaves, except that it has added McCarthyism, election fraud, voter suppression and outright purges of even mild progressives out of its infrastructure to its toolbox.

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The issue is patriotism. You've got to get back to your planet and stop the Commies. All it takes is a few good men.
--Q

@divineorder of hope hit me today when thinking what the young can do if they really decide to do it. Many are educated and in debt, and even the ones not formally educated know the score, most of them I've been around anyway. I hope. But I won't worship anymore, ya know? I am concerned for any of these people who get elected as progressives. They really have a tough fight. I'll hope, quietly, better than not hoping at all I guess.

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@divineorder  
There are cases such as total capture of everyone’s communications everywhere where Reagan’s dictum actually does apply: the government is not the solution; indeed, along with all its corporate contractors, the government is the problem.

In office, will Democratic Socialists work to abolish this totalitarian surveillance, or embrace it by voting to renew the laws and funding that facilitate it?

Where do Democratic Socialists stand on censorship? Censorship doesn’t suddenly become okay just because your set of judges of what is censorship-worthy includes Silicon Valley bigwigs and the SPLC.

Even supposedly progressive Democrats have a way of taking things they used to think bad — such as never-ending neocon wars of aggression — and suddenly plunging into them as good; as well as abandoning as bad many things — such as free speech even for people and views one personally finds repugnant — they used to think good.

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@gjohnsit No, gjohnsit. It makes me someone who's just gotten through using this very strategy to accomplish this very goal. I gave a lot, my investing so much in the strategy permanently damaged my life, and what we got when we won was a normalization of Bush policy, pretty much across the board.

It's unfair to characterize me as not a progressive because I've been burned repeatedly, and last time it was third-degree burns and I'm not going to walk back into the same place where last time they soaked me with accelerant and tossed a match.

I disagree with you, that's all. And yes, my worldview is pretty grim. But I don't think there's nothing we can do; I simply think there's nothing we can do within that system.

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The issue is patriotism. You've got to get back to your planet and stop the Commies. All it takes is a few good men.
--Q

@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

And yes, my worldview is pretty grim. But I don't think there's nothing we can do; I simply think there's nothing we can do within that system.

No new system will be coming along without a chaotic collapse happening first.

It is your right to be grim, but let's not kid ourselves what that means.

More importantly, let's not go out of our way to discourage honest people who are trying hard to improve the world.

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@gjohnsit the remains of our country under the system. We already have our places within the country which are worse off than the stereotypes of third world countries.

It's not giving up. It's not wasting energy on a game designed to delay, disempower and distract.

For example, Time Warner's buying AT&T. More corporate consolidation of media. More control over the means to resist. And what are the Dems doing? Why defending the corporate right to merge under the guise of "Protecting the Press".

Fuckers are playing for time.

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I don't Blame Christians. I Blame Stupid. Which Sadly, is a much more popular religion these days.

@detroitmechworks Yup.

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@gjohnsit

Change the very electoral mechanisms in place that seek to control us when we cannot insure our votes will be counted?

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal @Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal @Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal and getting power. The oligarchs have the power. If we want to get the power, we can't do it from within. These small wins feel great right now, but they are always ephemeral. The oligarchs will run these new faces out in subsequent elections. This is why they are all for term limits. FDR stuck around too long. Their coup failed and they couldn't oust him. So term limits came about to deny the people their democracy.
Simply winning some seats in the lower levels of power doesn't give us power. And we won't wrest it from the national stage. They rig that.
Now if the progressive candidate that primaried against Northam, a hardcore centrist whose only redeeming feature is he will legalize pot, had turned around and run as an independent, the red corporatist would have beaten the blue corporatist. THEN we'd have power. Because the Dems were teetering. Now they're spreading the false meme that they're rejuvenated even though nothing has changed. This was just Trump blowback.
No, as you rightfully point out, winning isn't always equated with power. Power is power and if we want it, we have to TAKE it from the Dems. To do that, we need to knee cap them in the generals, not lose in rigged primaries. Only then will they be forced to either concede issues to the left or they will collapse and the left will fill the void and claim the power.

Fighting them from within is a waste of resources and we'll always get burned in the end.

Those that are aghast at the thought of deliberately sabotaging the Dem party are still buying into the false meme of lesser of two evils. Yes, Repugs will win because of independent progressives knee capping the Dem Party, but that's the point. That's how you TAKE power from those who have it.

Once the Dem Party falls, and if we aggressively knee cap them, they will, then a void will be left and at the same time, blowback against the Repugs will be at its greatest height. Everyone understands that these wins are Trump blowback. If the Dems had gotten knee capped, we'd be in the perfect situation to fill in the void and ride the tide of Repug blowback to wipe the Dems off the map completely. stun the Repugs and sweep into power.

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

But I don't think there's nothing we can do; I simply think there's nothing we can do within that system.

Under the circumstances, it is the sole glimmer of sanity I see.

People do tend to return to the thing that once worked — they return even though it stopped working. They will continue to return rather than face the unknown. The are at that one slot machine in that one casino that hit big that one time. They're back in that abusive relationship that was once the best relationship ever, trying to recapture that feeling.

It's not healthy behavior, but the Party is the device people know. In the complex system of the 21st century, I see the Party as a flawed structure, a doomsday device that will invariably undermine consensus and Democracy. Forget trying to populate the Party with new and better people, or new and better technologies. The are weak and do not function effectively when slammed by political forces in a polarized two-party system. In the 21st century, where governments are increasingly privatized and human life is largely monetized, the Party system is unsafe and unprotected. They were not designed to scale up and represent a large diverse population; instead they've become a theater of political narratives and labels. In the end, the Party represents the Party. Can they function without compromise and corruption? I don't think they can.

I do agree about the non-partisan aspect of discussing the state of the Democratic Party here. Or the Republican Party, for that matter. They have the same flaws. To me, Parties are systems that can be evaluated with numbers and facts and evidence. They aren't ideologies or philosophies. If the Democratic Party can be wired together like a Rube Goldberg device, and made to function for a few more years, that seems okay to me. Burning it down is okay, too. All paths are going to take us on the same journey. We'll transform politically and make a plan when we absolutely must, and not a moment sooner. (I'm resigned to that.)

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@Pluto's Republic I agree (mostly). I do think actions could be taken now by some early adopters. But there'd have to be enough people willing and able to do the work/take the responsibility. This can be complicated by one's personal life (impacted by the horrible conditions around us). Even those of us, like me, who have a better situation than most--well, to put it bluntly, it was my choice to buy a house for my family last year. That choice has knee-capped my ability to do a lot of things I'd otherwise have done, because, under the current conditions, you need to be able to travel to do some of what I'd like to do, and I don't currently have the money for that--and it's gonna take longer to get out of this transitional phase of bringing the house up to speed than I thought. That's basically where I've been since September 2016.

I mean, I'd like to visit 99ers in different parts of the country. I'd like to rent a beach house here in FL and invite a bunch of 99ers over for the weekend. I'd like to do the things, and provide the spaces, that enable action to happen. But I don't even have furniture to sit down on in my living room! And I don't have the ability to have a travel budget right now. I keep telling myself I can make it work, but I can't. Whatever vacations I take for the next few years will be at state parks within driving distance, where I will stay in a tent. Even buying clothes fills me with anxiety, because things are so damned expensive.

I'm not saying this to complain about my circumstances, for which I should be grateful, but to say that even people in better situations are trammeled by the forty-year-long economic assault that's taken place. I hope that in not too many more months, I will be (mostly) out of this transition and able to take some action.

But that's the problem with working on the outside. One is in the position of needing to buy seeds and till soil and buy chicks to raise into hens and build a coop with your own hands so that you will in the future have vegetables and eggs so that you can cook a meal so that you can invite people over for dinner.

Meanwhile, the people inside have ready-made microwaveable dinners, and they say "You've got nothing to feed these people," and, of course, they're right. Of course, it's also true that it's not my fault some asshole bombed most of the grocery stores and took over the two remaining and turned them into armed camps run by fascists, and then put out a bulletin saying Neener neener neener if you want any food you have to play our way. I didn't want to have to grow my own food and build my own chicken coop. If I had, I wouldn't have worked my way up from a warehouse girl moving boxes off of trucks all the way up to cashier in one of those very grocery stores. I walked off the job when I saw that they were deliberately putting poison in the food, but even then I still shopped there occasionally when I thought I saw a good deal--right up to the point where they brought armed guards into the store and called half the customers--and some of the lower-level employees--dangerous thugs.

Still, the fact remains that those who work on the inside can hand out microwaveable dinners and I'm trying to raise the funds to buy seeds. That's the talking point they will pound us with until the end of time, or we stop talking, whichever comes first, because it's unanswerable.

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@gjohnsit I just noticed that you also accused me of not caring.

Not really sure what to say to that.

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The part of John Edwards could easily be played by a burnt out light bulb.
--strollingone

The issue is patriotism. You've got to get back to your planet and stop the Commies. All it takes is a few good men.
--Q

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

It's difficult to come to grips with the reality that we no longer have a viable means to counter those who seeks to subvert our constitutional rights.

And you're right, progressives may be allowed to move forward as long as it does not become a real threat to the establishment or change the mechanisms of power. The moment it does is when the Masters of the Universe, using their new powers under the DHS, will exercise their electoral control of the outcome that will make last years Electoral fraud and media gaslighting look like the cartoon shorts before the feature movie.

And what do you do after you accept that as the new reality? So, inevitably you don't. And you go on as if the electoral system has not been subverted and we can vote our way to a new legislative body.

Seems counter-intuitive to me and has very little to with caring or being cynical. It just is.

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@zoebear

It's difficult to come to grips with the reality that we no longer have a viable means to counter those who seeks to subvert our constitutional rights.

If the people decided to change the system en mass, it would simply happen like a snap of the fingers.
And then the politicians would be running to catch up.

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@gjohnsit

“Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.”

-Frederick Douglass

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I don't Blame Christians. I Blame Stupid. Which Sadly, is a much more popular religion these days.

@detroitmechworks
You are also free to be wrong in this regard. Of this fact I don't have a single doubt.
The only thing keeping the people enslaved is their own minds.
Time and time again, when the people decide that things will change, they changed so fast that few were ready for it.

France 1789 and 1792
India 1947
East Germany 1989
etc.

“We are slaves whose masters are dead. For we are mostly controlled by doctrines which were established centuries heretofore.”
― Mokokoma Mokhonoana

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@gjohnsit which I remind myself of whenever I disagree strongly with an acquaintance.

I just don't believe that a peaceful transfer of power is possible at this point. Without a strong threat, the PTB will continue to tighten the screws, all the while proclaiming that positive change is right around the corner. Nearly every example you gave involved a great deal of violence, and the US is the world's greatest exporter of it.

But, I appreciate your position, even if I consider it overly optimistic. I think one of the things I love about this site is the disagreements, which always seem to focus on actual philosophy, policy, or something else of consequence, rather than invective and shitware.

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I don't Blame Christians. I Blame Stupid. Which Sadly, is a much more popular religion these days.

@detroitmechworks
One thing that gives me hope is that the more decadent and corrupt a government/system is, the more easily it falls.

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@detroitmechworks

I agree. I don't see how that is possible, regardless of the will of the people. If we do not have the means to ensure our vote is counted, we cannot legislatively "vote" our way to change that.

Violent overthrow of present government and mechanisms of power, otoh, is an altogether different conversation, and one I do not think the OP is having.

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@detroitmechworks Say a dedicated Antifa like group blew up the warehouses where they stored the electronic voting machines in key states (remember, many states have already changed back to hand counted paper ballots) just a few weeks before the elections. Too late to build replacement machines, but time enough for a generous progressive donor to implement a plan to deliver hand count ballot systems to the affected districts. The oligarchs would be helpless as the elections were suddenly unstolen.

Revolutions can be won this way.

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@gjohnsit

It's difficult to come to grips with the reality that we no longer have a viable means to counter those who seeks to subvert our constitutional rights.

If the people decided to change the system en mass, it would simply happen like a snap of the fingers. And then the politicians would be running to catch up.

From your keyboard to Ceiling Cat's tufted ears!

Wink

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@gjohnsit

That effectively gave the Establishment the means to subvert our voices with sufficient cover. How do you fight that legislatively? Are you suggesting countering mass electoral fraud with mass voting? Maybe I'm missing something in your conclusions.

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@gjohnsit  
When it comes to election rigging, that’s as blatant as it gets.

Anyone even indicted, let alone going to jail? Nope. Consent decree. “We totally promise not to do it again.”

What you say is true, though. If — to give one example where the whole power structure has been corrupted for a long time — the people decided to embrace BDS and boycott Israel en masse, yes, change would simply happen like a snap of the fingers.

But before the politicians would start running to catch up, the people would have to endure an extremely difficult and painful phase in which politicians first try to make the chosen form of resistance, in this case support of BDS, illegal and punishable — as a felony at worst, or at the very least grounds for denying rights and benefits.

Look around you, criminalization of BDS is happening right now as we speak — and Democratic governors and legislators are leading the charge.

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@lotlizard

What is BDS?

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@zoebear  
in this context meaning: supporting a boycott of, sanctions on, and disinvestment from Israeli enterprises and institutions, in an attempt to influence Israeli policies by peaceful means.

On college campuses, activism typically takes the form of holding a “Palestine Awareness Week” or “Israel Apartheid Week.” Many university administrations have responded by using various pretexts to shut such activism down, establishing a de facto “Palestine exception” to free speech and inquiry.

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@lotlizard

If we could collectively use the immense power we have over where we spend our money, we could enlist real change. It was done during the civil rights era, and all the way back during the American Revolution, when after the Stamp Act, women agreed to use alternatives to the goods the British were taxing, which in the day was a great hardship for them.

Telling that Universities are squelching the BDS movement on campus. Mustn't let that lead to other areas, must we? Might give the great unwashed ideas of real self determination, eh?

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@zoebear  
doing business with any person or entity unwilling to sign away their right to boycott Israel and/or support BDS.

https://theintercept.com/2016/06/06/andrew-cuomo-and-other-democrats-lau...

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@gjohnsit @gjohnsit

Granted, I speak as One Who Knows Nothing, but is it just the politicians, or also the psychopathic Powers That Shouldn't Be selecting and backing those psychopathic politicians willing to betray their people and country by acting against the public/country's interests and rights - which they've sworn to uphold in order to qualify to hold public office - in order to steal all of the wealth and power of the people to pass to their paymasters in return for sizable crumbs as kickbacks?

The multi-millionaires/billionaires/trillionaires and corporate interests thereby controlling both parties as well as agencies such as Homeland Security, now having taken complete control over the electoral infrastructure, would seem to finally be really no more reliant on actual votes for their political front-puppets or more direct representatives in government than they are themselves.

What they are reliant upon is the continued financial support of customers for the businesses supporting their corporations and the draining of their own (and the public purse) by buying their products and services and the acceptance of their drain upon The People convinced of their own powerlessness.

I don't know how they think they'll continue to make money in a greed-foundered economy where ultimately virtually nobody will be able to afford to purchase these goods and services, or what they think their money will be worth at that point, since this involves an obvious obsession with the endless accumulation of wealth up to the destruction of not only civilization but life on the planet, but we re not dealing with the sane. And if boycotts and divestment do not cripple them now, while any money still remains outside of the top fraction of the 1%, that option may very soon be gone.

It seems to me that either the corruption goes entirely, or they take the rest of us out with them in what's a rapidly accelerating process, regarding both the economic/power drain and the die-off of the natural life support system due to industrial/military pollution and destruction for immediate increased profits they're making worthless to themselves in the nearing future.

Why has the 'good cop' Dem leadership been so darned happy about their massive loss of seats, bringing the 'bad cop' Repubs so very close to the majority required for the Constitutional Convention for which a PR push appeared some time back?

https://www.alternet.org/economy/alecs-scary-corporate-agenda-7-their-mo...

ALEC's Scary Corporate Agenda: 7 of Its Most Anti-Democratic and Science-Denying Ideas
ALEC's annual gathering revealed how right-wingers will push dangerous legislation across the country.
By Brendan Fischer / PR Watch
July 22, 2015

5. Amend the Constitution

In recent years, one of ALEC's top priorities has been to add a balanced budget amendment to the U.S. Constitution. And it will be a major focus of this month's meeting.

A balanced budget amendment is an idea that has been bouncing around for decades--even though it would cripple the federal government's ability to spend on earned benefit programs like Social Security, and block Congress from responding to economic downturns or natural disasters--but what is unique about ALEC's push is that they are trying to do it via an Article V Constitutional Convention. ...

...This year, the Article V strategy dominates the agenda of ALEC's Task Force on Federalism and International Relations, with five presentations and two pieces of draft legislation. The task force's private sector chair is a representative of Americans for Tax Reform, the anti-tax group founded by Grover Norquist. And, there will be two separate ALEC-wide policy workshops on the Article V effort, as well as a reception and dinner titled "States Constitutionally Saving “The American Dream” Summit Via Balanced Budget Amendment Convention."

Throughout U.S. history, the Constitution has only been amended through a two-thirds majority vote in both houses of Congress on a specific amendment, which is then ratified by two-thirds of state legislatures. In contrast, the Article V strategy triggers a full constitutional convention, and it is unclear whether the delegates could be confined to only passing one amendment. This fear of a "runaway convention" has led critics on both the right and left to oppose the Article V strategy.

ALEC has tried to quell these fears through a companion bill declaring that delegates to a convention may not vote on other issues besides a balanced budget amendment. Yet, at least some amendment supporters want to open up the Article V process and amendment the constitution to address an array of issues, like limiting the Commerce Clause, banning international law in the U.S., and placing term limits on the Supreme Court, among other items from a right-wing wishlist. ...

...Wisconsin State Rep. Chris Taylor attended a session on ALEC's Article V plans at the group's 2013 conference. When she expressed hesitation that the public would support the effort, she was told, "You really don’t need people to do this. You just need control over the legislature and you need money, and we have both." ...

Interestingly, while the titles of everything I'd recently collected or re-collected on this Constitutional Convention issue show in my drafts, (often the whole thing is simply found blank when this occurs,) only a blank page appears when I click on them. However, other, non-political draft messages are being retrieved. A lot of the Clinton-related stuff seems to vanish from my drafts, either entirely, or from compilations leaving the rest, as has been occurring for some time. Not sure if I'm just 'lucky' but under the circumstances, I don't think that there is much time of actual usefulness remaining for the internet.

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https://www.alternet.org/alecs-scary-plan-electing-your-senators

ALEC's Scary Plan For Electing Your Senators
The radical right is intent on destroying democracy as we know it.
By David Daley / AlterNet
July 22, 2017

...Trump’s “election integrity” commission convened for the first time on Wednesday and he wasted no time assailing state election officials who have refused the panel’s unprecedented request for detailed voter data. The president alleged, darkly, that uncooperative states might have something to hide. “One had to wonder what they’re worried about,” Trump said. “There’s something. There always is.” ...

...With so much news, however, perhaps the most shocking and consequential story of all slipped under the radar: A bombshell report in the Nation that the American Legislative Exchange Counsel (ALEC) – the most influential power behind conservative legislation marching through state legislatures – has drafted a proposal to return the power to select U.S. senators to state legislators.

That’s right: ALEC’s “model legislation” would repeal the 17th amendment, end more than a century of American citizens electing U.S. senators at the ballot box, and empower gerrymandered legislatures to choose senators for us, as was the practice in the 18th and 19th centuries.

As John Nichols, who broke the story for the Nation, wrote: “If successful, they will reverse one of the great strides toward democracy in American history: the 1913 decision to end the corrupt practice of letting state legislators barter off Senate seats in backroom deals with campaign donors and lobbyists.”

The language of this draft resolution, however, frames this in precisely the opposite way. It argues that the 17th amendment, ratified in 1914, did not empower voters but instead disempowered states. As a result, there have been “many unintended consequences, including runaway federal deficits, unfunded mandates, overreach by federal agencies and burdensome impositions by the federal government upon the states.” ...

...The model legislation hasn’t become an official policy resolution yet. It was scheduled to be debated at ALEC’s annual meeting in Denver this weekend. But what gives ALEC such influence is its direct pipeline into state legislatures through conservative state representatives and senators.

Conservatives legislatures, many of them tilted by gerrymandering, have looked to ALEC to shape their policy agendas. Since its founding in 1973, it has served as a clearinghouse for pro-business legislation. ALEC writes the bills. Legislators introduce them. When similar bills are introduced nationwide and race through Republican legislatures, that’s the influence of ALEC.
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In Kentucky, Missouri and New Hampshire, three states where Republicans captured new trifectas with both houses of the legislature plus the governor’s office, for example, immediately prioritized passing right-to-work legislation, which strikes at the political power of unions. “We can pretty much do whatever we want right now,” quipped Kentucky state representative Jim DeCesare, as reported by ProPublica.

DeCesare outlined his plans—targeting the minimum wage and prevailing-wage laws as well as collective bargaining agreements— in a phone summit hosted by ALEC shortly after the 2016 election. “Legislators are not the trailblazers of developing policies,” Michael Bowman, an ALEC official, told the group, aslso reported by ProPublica. “They’re actually the retail consumers.”

Ashley Varner, another ALEC strategist, emphasized the opportunities for rapid, under-the-radar change. “There’s a sea of red,” Varner said, adding that hundreds of incumbents from both parties had been ousted. “What are we going to do with these new legislatures?” ...

...The problem was even more stark by 2016. State legislators in Virginia and Minnesota introduced identical bills that would redistribute Electoral College votes based on congressional districts. Several New Hampshire lawmakers also wanted to reapportion their electoral votes. In Virginia, GOP Rep. Mark Cole sponsored a bill that would give one electoral vote to the presidential candidate who carried each of the state’s 11 congressional districts, and two to the winner of the statewide popular vote. ...

...In Virginia, Cole’s bill passed through its House subcommittee on a party line vote, only to be withdrawn before reaching the full House. “The time isn’t right,” Cole told reporters when he withdrew his bill after its subcommittee success.

A redrawing of our Electoral College system is no longer some fringe idea. And, perhaps, neither is an end to the popular election of U.S. senators. This is how the gerrymander, taken to extremes, turns the GOP hammerlock on states into a leg-up on permanent control of the White House and Senate as well. We stand on the frightening edge of lasting one-party minority rule that may not be undoable at the ballot box.

David Daley is the author of Ratf**ked: Why Your Vote Doesn’t Count (Norton), now available in paperback.

And this, for the reference and link, in case one vanishes and the other hasn't, as another more recent Alternet article on this has yet to show in my searches, although I'd quoted from it before and it's one of those seemingly not showing in my drafts.

https://www.thomhartmann.com/blog/2017/07/alecs-scary-plan-elections

ALEC's Scary Plan for Elections
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By Thom Hartmann A...

...The American Legislative Exchange Council (or ALEC) - the Koch Brothers-backed right-wing group that successfully gave us right to work for less laws, stand your ground shoot first laws, and voter suppression ID laws - has drawn up a dangerous new piece of "model legislation".

As John Nichols reports in the Nation - it calls for a repeal of the 17th Amendment - which gives the American people the right to directly elect their senators.

The proposed resolution would instead give state legislatures the power to elect senators.

As wild as this sounds, it's a popular idea among Republicans.

Mike Lee, Ted Cruz, and Jeff Flake have all said in recent years that they support repealing the 17th Amendment. ...

We have to get this stuff out now, while we still have links and an internet...

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

@zoebear
I regularly spend several hours a day reading and commenting in this space. I have a mystery 3 feet away that I'm enjoying. There's fascinating new material coming out in astronomy every week.

It seems to me that if you're correct we're all wasting our time. I'm not interested in venting.

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@FuturePassed

...my friend.

I am here because, 1) I still think it's important to have a place where we can speak truth to power, 2) The writers here often give me a snapshot of some of the things that are happening in the country that I'm not getting from other sources since I gave away my television 15 years ago and unplugged from social media after the inauguration, 3) I enjoy being in the company of smart and funny people who have collectively experienced the same tectonic shifting in their worldview as I have during last years election.

As to what I plan to do moving forward, in the absence of knowing how to fight the larger problems we face peacefully, I will continue to build strong ties locally in the spirit of creating value within my family, at work, in my neighborhood, and in my community.

But as I said in my previous post, I do not envision a way of how we confront this, change this, or suggest a solution for this peacefully or legislatively:

"The Department of Homeland Security on Friday declared the electoral system as "critical infrastructure," the latest in a series of eleventh-hour responses to alleged Russian election-season hacks.

The designation — which will put election equipment in the same category as the power grid or financial sector — came the same day that intelligence agencies released an unclassified report that concluded Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered a hacking campaign against Democratic organizations and officials that eventually aimed to help elect Donald Trump. The report said Russian spies had accessed elements of state and local election boards as part of their digital meddling."

https://caucus99percent.com/content/it-happened-end-game-russia-hacking-...

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@zoebear
about the importance in building local community networks. It will help no matter what the future brings. My father's generation got together on summer evenings to play softball. If one person was sick a lot of people knew it within 2 days. Today, people come home and sit at their keyboards, not all of them blessed with the wisdom we find here, or worse turn on the television.

Nationally, there are places beyond which I will not be pushed. I could not vote for Her. But a lot of times I do settle for a few extra crumbs. At least for the moment I don't need the crumbs, but I have serious reservations about taking them from those who do.

If anyone comes up with an idea that is likely to produce significant leftist change, count me in.

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@gjohnsit

But that precludes you from being a progressive. Just a pessimist.

Actually, it doesn't, as pessimism and progressivism have been long in each others' company in this country.

Progressivism means that one believes in the kinds of things the Democrats (and even some Republicans) believed in between the Administrations of Franklin Roosevelt and Lyndon Johnson (the latter in domestic policy primarily). A peaceful foreign policy coupled with a reliably prosperous economic system at home, equally and generously accessible to all.

Over the past five decades, life in America has been pretty pessimistic for those who maintain the political stance of which we speak. While our erstwhile allies in the "Democratic" Party waste all our precious political capital on politically correct labels and shoving Romneycare down our unwilling throats, Wall Street has sold both parties on austerity and never-ending wars for their profit and our loss.

But that doesn't mean we're not progressives. We still advocate for the better life we know damn good and well we can have, if we could but raise the national political will for it.

But we're seriously discouraged, as most of us can't even vote against the interests of Goldman Sachs.......

And therefore many progressives are pessimistic. Some of us, like myself, are still seeking a way out.

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-- featheredsprite

@thanatokephaloides
then you may as well consider it a religion, instead of a political value, because you have only the "sweet release of the grave" to look forward to.

It's frustrating to me to see people who are unable to enjoy a solid victory, however small it is.

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@gjohnsit may not be as palatable as you'd prefer, but it is all that exists. Instead of supporting failed attempts to take the Dems from within, support aggressive attempts to knee cap the Dems as Indie's. Instead of trying to legislate away the rigged system, accept that's not possible and we have no actual real elections, our votes don't count and figure out how to eliminate that system by any means possible.

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@Battle of Blair Mountain
When the only successful effort at reform in the past 150 years was done within the parties?

That's like asking me to not believe climate change by ignoring the evidence.

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@gjohnsit

and happily calling it a victory.

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@CS in AZ
to watch people starve for lack of crumbs?

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After a year of high-profile moral victories in special congressional elections, Democrats finally got actual victories on the board, and more. They won big in Virginia, took full control of state government in New Jersey and Washington State, prevailed on an important ballot measure in Maine, and generally posted strong results across the nation.

Together, it was the clearest sign yet that college-educated white voters’ unhappiness with President Trump would jeopardize suburban Republicans in next year’s midterm elections.

But the biggest difference between Tuesday’s Democratic wins and the earlier Republican wins is deceptively simple: This time, elections were held on neutral or even Democratic-leaning terrain.

Basically, the establishment Dem wins are mostly elections they SHOULD have won. Like crowing about holding serve in a game of tennis.

The biggest establishment Dem win was probably the Washington State Senate race - a 10%er suburban district that saw a lot of outside money duking it out. That one race flipped the State Senate.

The Maine win to increase state Medicaid funding is encouraging for Progressives, although the Ohio loss in capping drug prices hurts.

FYI: Aspie Corner featured Socialist Ginger Jenen (running for the Minneapolis City Council) n an essay last week. She finished first in the initail runoff voting and thanked the Minneapolis Star Tribune for NOT endorsing her.

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I am waiting for you, Vizzini.

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@Not Henry Kissinger

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the little things you can do often are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. All about building progressive media. (-1.9) On Twitter @winkradio.

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“The corporations I’m actively attacking fund the state party. It’s obviously going to create some tension.”

Give 'em Hell Carter!

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Donnie The Douchebag. The Douchebag Who Would Be King.

@Citizen Of Earth

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@gjohnsit

should immediately commit to not receiving social security and medicare. Or they get "Total Hypocrite" tattooed on their forehead.

I love that Young Carter pic.

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Donnie The Douchebag. The Douchebag Who Would Be King.

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@Citizen Of Earth

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A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.

Totally neglected was progressive policies even establishment dems supported. But the media is pushing (the Clinton-wing message) that the vote was not "pro-good policies" but instead people voted against Trump.

So will establishment democrats get the message?

And also, need to watch the elected governors to see if they actually follow up on their supported policies, or if they simply mouthed progressive policies, but like Rendon in Ca, and the Baltimore mayor, actually reject and stop progressive policies they ran on.

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he “ceased reporting to the House caucus after multiple information security lapses in which confidential information that we reported to the House caucus was leaked outside of the party infrastructure.

Kinda like guys at the Pentagon stopped telling the Clinton State Department things because leaks kept making their missions fail?

Not that I support those missions (at least, it's highly unlikely I would). Just commenting on the way leaks keep happening around that group of people.

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The part of John Edwards could easily be played by a burnt out light bulb.
--strollingone

The issue is patriotism. You've got to get back to your planet and stop the Commies. All it takes is a few good men.
--Q

@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

Mundane rules, laws and national security concerns Do Not Apply To The Clintons/Those Who matter...

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

Wink's picture

become Mao Zedung? But yeah, last night was mighty sweeeet!
My guy, locally, running for city council here, came in third in a 5-way race for two seats. (sigh). Got about half the votes of the two winners. His first race ever, and ran a Great campaign. Just didn't happen this time. He'll be back out there next time! Congrats to all the Dem winners yesterday - progressive and Establishment - replacing all those red fannies with blue ones!

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the little things you can do often are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. All about building progressive media. (-1.9) On Twitter @winkradio.

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@Wink

When did Mao Tse Tung become Mao Zedung?

Early 1980s, I think.

Anglo-Chinese Pinyin -- the source of all this -- is constantly being revised for better function at its job: making it possible for Chinese and English speakers to do business (pinyin is a Chinese distortion of the English word "business"). Nouns are hardest hit.

Another example is the name of the Chinese capital city as expressed in English. When I was in sixth grade (in 1970) it was "Peking". By the time I had graduated high school in 1976, it was "Beiping". It's "Beijing" today.

Smile

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@thanatokephaloides  

Pinyin |pɪnˈjɪn|
noun
the standard system of romanized spelling for transliterating Chinese.
Origin:
1960s: from Chinese pīn-yīn, literally ‘spell-sound.’

pidgin |ˈpɪdʒən|
noun [often as modifier]
a grammatically simplified form of a language, used for communication between people not sharing a common language. Pidgins have a limited vocabulary, some elements of which are taken from local languages, and are not native languages, but arise out of language contact between speakers of other languages. Compare with Creole (sense 2 of the noun).
• (Pidgin, with capital p) another term for Tok Pisin (an official language of Papua–New Guinea).
• [as modifier] denoting a simplified form of a language, especially as used by a nonnative speaker: we exchanged greetings, communicating in pidgin Spanish.
Origin:
late 19th century: Chinese alteration of English business.

As for Peiping / Beijing, that was a matter of expressing loyalty to the old regime, Chiang Kai-Shek’s “Nationalist” or “Kuomintang (KMT)” government. The KMT regime’s capital was in Nanking / Nanjing.

The thing is, the syllable 京 “-king” or “-jing” here means “capital.” Translated literally, Nanking / Nanjing means “southern capital” and Peking / Beijing means “northern capital.”

As already mentioned, under the KMT the capital was Nanking, so Peking was neither “the” capital nor indeed any kind of capital. Accordingly, from 1928 to 1949 the KMT changed the name to Peiping / Beiping, literally “northern peace.”

With the communist victory in 1949, Mao moved the capital back to Peking, so the “capital” notion became appropriate again and the old name was restored.

When I was a kid in the 1950s and early 1960s, for Chinese-Americans it was very important to know this because of anti-communist paranoia / McCarthyism. If someone noticed you talking about or writing “Peking” instead of “Peiping,” they might report you to the authorities: “Using the communist name for the city, not the Chiang Kai-Shek name! Must be communist sympathizers!”

I have a vivid TV memory of seeing / hearing Walter Cronkite sonorously intoning a news report containing the phrase “Peiping radio.” No doubt that was a rule at CBS: always refer to the city as Peiping (virtue signalling as anti-communist), never as Peking (commie!).

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because skeery socialists.

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A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.

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Flawer-Duh is a literal no man's land for anyone who doesn't immediately suck corporate dick for pharma, hospital and tourism/retirement racket cash (I say retirement, because according to that total fuckwit, Adam Putnam, Flawer-Duh is a reward for a job well done for old rich people).

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@The Aspie Corner
But they also elected Grayson once, so there is hope.

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@gjohnsit Instead, we're stuck with Corporate Democrat Gwen Graham or the possibility of John Morgan or Davos terrorist Jeff Greene, or worse, Katherin Fernandez Rundle, who refused to prosecute after the abysmal treatment of a schizophrenic black prisoner. And that's just the Democratic side of things.

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I'll believe it when I see it. It's another bait and switch if you ask me. It's important though to hold them to those campaign promises. I think that is part of the problem with Obama. He PROMISED us a lot of progressive agenda items and then after he won he said "I got this" and I took him at his word. Those in NJ and VA should call their GOV elects and tell them "now deliver".

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"The world will not be destroyed by those who do evil, but by those who watch them without doing anything." - Albert Einstein

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@WIProgressive

Which makes me scratch my head at all the demands for party loyalty. I'm just doing what their God-king commanded. I'm making them.... or doing my best to anyway.

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-- lotlizard

is that unlike WFP around here, who never saw a Democrat they didn't want to endorse, the Democratic Socialists do seem to have some standards.

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I like this.

http://www.walb.com/story/36790543/from-protests-to-politics-braxton-win...

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(thirty three and a third at TOP)

"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:

THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"

- Kurt Vonnegut

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@The Aspie Corner
I am not sure who he is, but I like his rap. I though he was named Prager until I watched another one of his videos the other day and realized the little guy in the background was wingnut talk radio host Dennis Prager.

Can you provide a little background and a link on him?

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Cali Kush: a bowl a day keeps the doctor away.

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@Meteor Man ....Though the state Democratic Party seems to deny he even exists. He's been a science education advocate for (I think) the last 20 years and has been posting on youtube for the last 10 years. He's also one of the few I still watch these days aside from Jimmy Dore (and for good reason).

A little background info

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@The Aspie Corner

He seems to think that "the left" isn't going to suddenly flip into fascism. I think I'm watching it happen daily. I suppose he might argue that Democrats don't count as "the left" in which case, fair enough. But lord knows I'm sick and tired of social justice warriors seeking to shut down conversation.

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-- lotlizard

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@SnappleBC

But lord knows I'm sick and tired of social justice warriors seeking to shut down conversation.

I get why people went after Milo Yianopolous and Richard Spencer. Those fuckers shouldn't be given a platform anywhere because their intent isn't conversation. They do little more than slander and intimidate. And besides, no one who supports a dead regime that advocated for genocide deserves to be given any leeway in any shape, form or fashion. You can't reason with willfully evil assholes.

Meanwhile, socialists and other lefties are shut down at every last turn by the centrists and the fascists and almost no one gives a shit. Any conversation about wealth inequality, healthcare, wages, infrastructure or any talks about ending empire are immediately halted or controlled by the very same willfully evil assholes who insist that theirs is the only way.

Free speech my ass.

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chuck utzman

You can blame me. I did not vote for Her Heinous.