The Silence of the HillBots on Sexual Abuse and Slavery in Failed State Libya

Hey, I get it. Donald Trump is vile scum. And yeah, he may be worse than Al Franken, whose resignation Democrats are lamenting as we speak. Sexism and sexual harassment, assault and abuse is a terrible thing. But here's the kicker. If this is so important, why are Hillary and Obama fans ignoring this story?

Refugees and migrants face kidnap, rape, torture, slave labour and sexual violence in Libya before attempting to cross the Mediterranean to reach Italy, an Oxfam report has found. [...]

The testimonies revealed harrowing abuses of migrants in Libya. All but one of the women interviewed said they had suffered from sexual violence, with men also speaking of rape.

Three quarters of the refugees and migrants interviewed also said they had witnessed the murder and/or torture of a travelling companion, the report said.

For those of you who might wonder what this atrocity has to do with Hillary Clinton, the woman repeatedly held up as the single greatest victim of sexism in our times, let me review how Libya went from "the most improved African economy offering, according to UN reports, the highest quality of life for Africans on the African continent" to the hellhole it is now. It all began with a certain Secretary of State who was determined to overthrow the regime of Muammar Gaddafi, come hell or high water.

President Obama was deeply wary of another military venture in a Muslim country. Most of his senior advisers were telling him to stay out. Still, he dispatched Mrs. Clinton to sound out Mr. Jibril, a leader of the Libyan opposition. Their late-night meeting on March 14, 2011, would be the first chance for a top American official to get a sense of whom, exactly, the United States was being asked to support. [...]

Her conviction [to support an US backed bombing campaign] would be critical in persuading Mr. Obama to join allies in bombing Colonel Qaddafi’s forces. In fact, Mr. Obama’s defense secretary, Robert M. Gates, would later say that in a “51-49” decision, it was Mrs. Clinton’s support that put the ambivalent president over the line.

The consequences would be more far-reaching than anyone imagined, leaving Libya a failed state and a terrorist haven, a place where the direst answers to Mrs. Clinton’s questions have come to pass.

Well, that's the New York Times version, so take it with a grain of salt. Still, they make it clear Hillary Clinton was the driving force behind US backed regime change in Libya. And you know what is the real irony of her "successful overthrow" of Gaddafi? It was sold to the American public with a lie, a lie pushed by Susan Rice, Obama's Ambassador to the UN that Gaddafi had ordered the mass rape of civilians by his soldiers.

A lie so blatantly false that even Amnesty International couldn't stomach it, exposing it as false shortly after Gaddafi's death.

Nato leaders, opposition groups and the media have produced a stream of stories since the start of the insurrection on 15 February, claiming the Gaddafi regime has ordered mass rapes, used foreign mercenaries and employed helicopters against civilian protesters.

An investigation by Amnesty International has failed to find evidence for these human rights violations and in many cases has discredited or cast doubt on them. It also found indications that on several occasions the rebels in Benghazi appeared to have knowingly made false claims or manufactured evidence.

And so now we have another "failed state" in the Middle East. One we cannot conveniently blame on Republican War Pigs. No, this failure, and the human misery that it caused is the fault of a Democratic administration. And the biggest backer of this reckless and illegal war was the nominee of the Democratic Party, Hillary Clinton. At the time, she was overjoyed at her success, gloating and laughing over the brutal murder of the man she wanted terminated with extreme prejudice.

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgcd1ghag5Y]

Now I'm not here to cry any tears over Mr. Gaddafi, but I do question why the Obama administration and Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, were so keen on engineering the overthrow of his government. Whatever their reasons, good or bad or just plain evil, the result has been a human catastrophe for the Libyan people on an epic scale, a great evil for which the United States is primarily responsible.

Africans are being traded as slaves in open markets in Libya. Reports from CNN as well as many independent videos floating on the social media show Africans being bundled in lorries and piled by their 10s on top of each other in tiny rooms that easily evoke the horrendous conditions depicted in Djimon Hounsou’s “Amistad”, a Steven Spielberg directed historical motion picture about a slave revolt on board a ship where the conditions were so dehumanizing that the captured Africans went berserk and tore apart their captors. [...]

All this was done with the backing and the blessing of the dominant military power in the world. The United States of America provided, not just the moral justification, but also the physical force to stop any other nation from intervening in the regime change process ...

The destruction of Libyan Jamahiriya and all the institutions that provided for the Libyan People is in itself unacceptable. What chokes up anyone witnessing the atrocities within is the fact that all these was done for the expediency of US energy requirements and for the benefit of American oil companies and the associated business.

So Hillary Clinton resistance fighters, I'm in with you on how Trump is an awful, racist and sexist moron who should not be our President. He has committed numerous high crimes and misdemeanors since he's been in office that would justify impeachment, including (1) the prosecution of illegal wars around the world, (2) the bombing of Iraqi, Afghan and Syrian civilians, (3) our government's support for the genocidal war being waged against the Houthi Shia people of Yemen, and (4) numerous violations of the emoluments clause. Add anything else you want to add to the list (other than the unproven claims of collusion with Russia), including sexual assaults of which I have little doubt he engaged.

But if you want to hang Trump, and only Trump, for such crimes, then please, at the very least, acknowledge the horrific crimes of the Obama administration in Libya, crimes for which Hillary Clinton is largely responsible. The rape, torture, slavery and mass murder of millions of innocents, children, women and men. If you do not or will not, then you are hypocrites. Bemoan the "sexism" that you claim destroyed Clinton's chances for victory over Donald Trump all you like, but ignoring the greater evil she perpetrated on the people of Libya is far worse.

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Big Al's picture

supporters, they're all accessories to murder.
Whoa, did I say that out loud?

Clinton's own emails tell the real story, a story most democrats simply do not want to hear.

https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2016/01/06/new-hillary-emails-revea...

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riverlover's picture

She had decided to go with the boys. Glass from sand, presumably a weapon can do that?

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Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.

@riverlover is what made me #NeverHillary. She and Obama lied us into another disaster. She accused Democrats who questioned our attack of sympathizing with Gaddafi. Now we think we can convince North Korea to give up their nukes after watching what happened in Iraq and Libya? But Democrats will blame Trump because of course they will.

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Actions only matter depending upon the color of the jersey:

Iraq: Total lies, evil, how could those Republicans do this; however, any Democrats voting for it didn't really mean it.
Libya: Well, come on, are you going to defend dictators now? It's like totally different from Iraq.

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Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

if you want to hang Trump, and only Trump, for such crimes,

You can't.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal which is why there will be a great hue and cry about Trump and Russia, Trump and NK, Trump and whatever, and the memories of the Obama administration among Dems will slide off into some deranged nostalgia for when we had decent moral people in office.

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"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott

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into which is being fed the raw anguish of rape victims and the pain of systemic sexism under which women live. And I have a problem with the whipped-up pharmaceutical formula that is being made and sold by it.

But I've made those clear here repeatedly and I decided recently I wouldn't lay out my views for the umpteenth time. Apparently the source material is so compelling that people continue to respond to it as if we were all sitting together in a room hearing the stories of rape victims from their own mouths, and deciding what, as a community, we should do. It's difficult, when one's own pain is activated by the pain of others, to remember that there's a bunch of hucksters, or would it be more accurate to call them pushers, standing in between the other victims and oneself, interpreting and shaping the stories, controlling how they are presented and with what other accompanying material, and, in general, doing everything one does to manage a coordinated media campaign. Obviously, the idea that this coordinated media campaign is being done because the people in control of five multinational corporations are deeply concerned for the well-being of rape victims is nonsensical. What their agenda actually is--other than restoring some credibility to their tattered reputations--is obscure to me. But I don't believe in road-to-Damascus conversion moments for multinational corporations or their governing boards.

Shit. I guess I just restated my views. I'm gonna make this the last time, though. The whole media operation squicks me out and makes me feel slimed. I don't like watching those grimy bastards get their hands on the topic of rape and sexual abuse.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal There is the real suffering of sexual assault victims and there is the spin the media is using to exploit that pain. One of the reasons I wrote about how Hillbots were exploiting the Matt Lauer story to advance their narrative of Hillary, betrayed by sexist journos, and thus doomed to lose to Trump.

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"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott

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@Steven D Yup. Thanks for writing about that.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal Had lunch with a friend today who's not terribly political although she too hates the Rumper, but she's feeling the same queasiness a lot of us are with all this hype over harassment coming out. It reminds me a lot of Hillary's complaints that sexism was the real reason she lost - these people cheapen and demean real harassment by doing that shit. Just like with the racism Obama used to try to get TPP through. It is disgustingly cynical in so many ways. And conflating actual assault with harassment is also what they're doing, which once again, means real harassment and real rape get swept up into the same black and white narrative spin. These things should NOT be spun for political gain but they are in our idiot media.

Hopefully I didn't put this too badly, I in no way mean to demean the women, or men, who've come out and told their experiences but I do think they are being used by our media in a very cheaply cynical way.

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Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur

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@lizzyh7 these people cheapen and demean real harassment by doing that shit. Just like with the racism Obama used to try to get TPP through. It is disgustingly cynical in so many ways. And conflating actual assault with harassment is also what they're doing, which once again, means real harassment and real rape get swept up into the same black and white narrative spin. These things should NOT be spun for political gain but they are in our idiot media.

You put it way better than I do.

This is gross. I hope more and more people opt out of the spin.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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is that Obama and Hillary knew that was happening while they were arming the terrorists who are still doing this. I'll provide the link if asked, but that has been reported on in stories that cover this.
They are the same groups of terrorists that they armed to overthrow Assad. Now Obama is out getting his paid rewards for what he did in office while this is happening in Libya.

I got into a pissing fight on ToP over this. I provided the link to this article along with snippets, but I was accused of being everything we've all been called for saying that she is a warmonger. I can't believe how they can ignore the truth when it's back up with facts. But they do.

One of the reasons I wrote about how Hillbots were exploiting the Matt Lauer story to advance their narrative of Hillary, betrayed by sexist journos, and thus doomed to lose to Trump.

OMG. I read a few of their diaries on this and had to bite my tongue not to jump in. This was beyond ridiculous that they blamed their interviews on misogyny and sexism. Herheinous was under investigation for her private email server and people had the right to know why she did it. If Andrea Mitchell had interviewed her, would she be accused of misogyny too? I think not.

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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.

Voting is like driving with a toy steering wheel.

@snoopydawg I remember concern on Black Agenda Report about the potential plight of black Africans were who in Libya working as migrant labor. Qaddafi protected them in part because he saw himself as the leader of a Pan-African movement.

Hillary and the media ignored the consequences of black Africans in Libya. It is more than vile that the the secretary general of the United Nations only last month was shocked at the slave trade in Libya.

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@MrWebster Ah! Another reason why she killed him, no doubt.

Preserving the petro-dollar was the primary reason, of course, but a successful leader starting a Pan-African movement?

Liable to get you killed.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal Yah, Qaddafi seemed to have caught the attention of the neocon imperialists.

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@snoopydawg  
to overthrow Gaddafi and, after Libya became a failed state, continued cultivating the groups to maintain its influence there — so, irony of ironies, guess who perpetrated the horrible Manchester arena terrorist attack?

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=manchester+terrorists+libya&t=ffsb&ia=web

Why is the current Western leadership so determined to hold this particular viper to Europe’s breast?

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My question is who traded whom?
I believe the slave trade video and issue has been exploited.
LIBYA'S SLAVE TRADE DIDN'T APPEAR OUT OF THIN AIR - It's a result of European immigration policy—and of pervasive anti-blackness in the MENA region.

One of the enslaved men being sold was Nigerian
(me: that is a man from one of the dozens of sub-saharan black African tribes, distinctly different to Berbers, who sometimes are black due to them mixing with sub-saharan tribes in the past centuries. If you want to dwell into tribal identities, this might give you an idea.)

According to the International Organization for Migration, Nigerians constituted the largest group of Africans who arrived in Italy in 2016, marking the first time the country of 186 million had surpassed the previous leading country of origin for asylum seeker ...

In 2008, several years before the Arab Spring, Italy agreed to pay Muammar al-Qaddafi—who by then had ruled Libya for 39 years—$5 billion over 25 years as reparations for their colonization of the African country. In exchange, Qaddafi agreed to stem the flow of refugees to Europe. Together, both countries began to capture asylum seekers who'd made it to sea and return them to Libya. Later, Qaddafi insisted that the European Union pay Libya $6.3 billion annually to keep refugees from reaching Europe, suggesting that Europe might otherwise "turn into Africa," given the number of black asylum seekers who would reach Italy if the E.U. did not accept his terms.
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In 2013, there are news reports that militias are using Tripoli zoo to house asylum seekers from sub-Saharan Africa in cage

So how many nationals of Lybia are black sub-saharan Africans? Lybians are - according to DNA studies, 90% of the Arab Libyan population are Arabized Berbers.[8]. See for their tribal and ethnicities here. That explains what is mentioned in the following link as the "banalization of racial problems".

From The slave auction in Lybia

For large numbers of black north Africans, the banalization of a racial problem permeates the social, institutional, and political strata. When the black Tunisian poet, Anis Chouchene, laments “a society afraid of difference,” he decries the social debasement of black Africans as an inferior race. Scenes of racist and discriminatory practices are central to the social and cultural hierarchy in the Maghreb. Libya is no exception.

But this racism, I think, should be understood, as Fanon puts it, as a case of “a fight against non-national Africans” and not as a modern-day slavery. Against obvious references to chattel slavery, the human trafficking of sub-Saharan Africans by north African smugglers — at play in Tripoli’s migrant “auctions” — is organized around a debt bonding and forced labor that become possible as a result of contaminated imaginary and a complex system of social debasement.

Black Libyans are called “Fezzazna”, to refer to the southern region of Fezzan where they predominately live, but also to their socially distinctive inferior cast. In Benghazi, in the eastern region, a popular local market is commonly named “slaves souk.” Same as in Tunisia, where “Zinji” or “Aswad” (close to “Blakee”) are culturally accepted terms to refer to fellow black people because they are thought to be practical forms of reference which are now devoid of any racial charge. (me: bamboozling and kabuki weasel language manipulation is not only done by Americans and Europeans)
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In the absence of a true transformative revolution, complex issues of negrophobia and xenophobia among Africans continue to exist. As Fanon summarizes, “From nationalism we have passed to ultra-nationalism, to chauvinism, and finally to racism.”
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After independence in 1951, the brief existence of King Idris’ hereditary monarchy was replaced in 1969 by Muammar Gaddafi’s Jamahirya, a dictatorship which consistently violated basic human rights for Libyans and foreigners alike.... ultra-nationalism divides the western Tripoli-based and internationally recognized Government of National Accord (GNA) and the eastern Benghazi-based Libyan National Army (LNA) ... This divide continues to contaminate the national and cultural imaginary in Libya, eventually descending into neocolonial racism.
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During the popular uprising to topple Gaddafi and his regime, peculiar events have shaped the relationship between Libyan rebels and sub-Saharan Africans. Black African mercenaries, chiefly from amongst the Tuareg, were heavily recruited to join Gaddafi’s troops to crack down on protests. When the uprising turned into an armed conflict, black African workers and black African mercenaries faced increased hostility from Libyans and acts of revenge and killings were directed at them. ... . Amnesty International reported that sub-Saharan African migrants and refugees “became targets of stigma, discrimination and violence.”

The CNN report will not change much. In a nation torn by an ongoing bloody civil war, skyrocketing inflation, a failing economy and mass executions of prisoners, everyone is either in the smuggling business or the anti-smuggling business.

With the closing of the Libyan route to Italy, sub-Saharan migrants find themselves often in a position where they cannot pay their smugglers to be returned to their homes. Smugglers choose to sell the migrants to the highest bidder or entity, such as a militia). The buyers force the migrants into calling their families to ask to send this ransom money. Traffickers are reported to collect ransoms ranging from 2000 to 3000 dinars per person.

Ok, I am sufficiently disgusted and can't make up my mind, who is the biggest culprit in this mess.

Among many Libyans, news of “slave auctions” is met with bewilderment and shock. European military and political intervention and the coercion of Libya to become an ad-hoc gatekeeper of the migrant crisis has turned an already disastrous situation into an unmanageable one.

I always hate it when I can't make up my mind.

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