Senate panel upholds finding that Russia backed Trump, contradicting House

Submitted by Amanda Matthews on Tue, 07/03/2018 - 5:35pm

This has been a day of cover-ups and false ‘findings’. Of course this is the Senate’s ‘finding’, not the one who is actually issuing subpoenas and holding hearings.

July 03, 2018 - 03:12 PM EDT
Senate panel upholds finding that Russia backed Trump, contradicting House

The Senate Intelligence Committee has unequivocally upheld the conclusion of the intelligence community that Russia developed a "clear preference" for then-candidate Donald Trump in the 2016 election and sought to help him win the White House.

The assessment, announced in an unclassified summary released Tuesday, represents a direct repudiation of the committee's counterpart in the House - and of President Trump himself, who has consistently rejected assertions that Moscow sought to bolster his candidacy through its election interference.

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The committee says it reviewed "thousands of pages of source documents" and interviewed all the relevant officials who were involved in developing the ICA, from agency heads and managers to line analysts-and "heard consistently that analysts were under no politically motivated pressure to reach any conclusions."

A subtle difference in confidence between the NSA and the CIA and FBI on the assessment that Russian President Vladimir Putin wanted to help Trump's election chances "appropriately represents analytic differences and was reached in a professional and transparent manner," the Senate panel found.

In yet another contradiction to Trump allies claims, the Senate panel also found that a piece of Democratic-funded opposition research known as the Steele dossier did not "in any way inform the analysis in the ICA - including the key findings."

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http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/395408-senate-intel-committee-no-reas...

Well lovely. Especially that part about the Clinton Dossier.

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Submitted by detroitmechworks on Tue, 07/03/2018 - 5:45pm

Senate decides

That they'd really prefer not have to run on issues this election, thanks.

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Submitted by Raggedy Ann on Tue, 07/03/2018 - 5:49pm

We are living in

a reality show. It’s a thriller. Surprises around every corner. Stay alert lest you be frightened. Fear is the name of their game.

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Tue, 07/03/2018 - 6:23pm

Don't they mean DIRT?

Democratic-funded opposition research known as the Steele dossier

Seven times the FBI tried to entrap people from the Trump campaign

The Federal Bureau of Investigation formally opened its Trump investigation after Western intelligence assets and Clinton-affiliated political operatives repeatedly approached the Trump campaign and tried but failed to damage it through associations with Russia, a growing body of evidence suggests.

Before the FBI began investigating the Trump campaign in an operation code-named “Crossfire Hurricane,” there were at least seven different instances when campaign advisers were approached with Russia-related offers. Most of those contacts — including Donald Trump Jr.’s much-publicized meeting with a Russian lawyer and others in June 2016 — offered the prospect of information damaging to Donald Trump’s Democratic opponent, Hillary Clinton.

Two of these approaches were made by one U.S. government informant already publicly identified as such, Stefan Halper. Another was made by a man who swore in court that he had worked as an FBI informant. Two others were made by figures associated with Western intelligence agencies. Another two approaches included political operatives, one foreign, with ties to the Clintons.
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But Mark Wauck, a former FBI agent with experience in such tactics, sees an effort at entrapment. “What appear to have been repeated attempts to implicate the Trump campaign, in some sort of quid pro quo arrangement with Russians who claimed to have ‘dirt’ on Hillary,” Wauck told RealClearInvestigations, “look like efforts to manufacture evidence against members of the Trump campaign or create pretexts to investigate it.”

At the same time, in early spring, the Clinton campaign commissioned, through its law firm, the Washington, D.C.-based communications firm Fusion GPS to dig up dirt on the Trump campaign’s alleged ties to Russia. The result was the infamous 35-page dossier compiled by former British spy Christopher Steele.

It appears that neither the FBI nor the Clinton campaign’s paid operatives came up with anything of substance. The seven approaches to the Trump campaign, as far as is publicly known, generated no evidence of coordination with the Russians. No evidence has emerged to change former FBI Director James B. Comey’s description of key parts of the Steele dossier as “salacious and unverified.”

Read the article to see the 7 times that the campaign was tried to be set up. I wonder if any laws were broken or something?

How can anyone seriously believe that any foreign country would be allowed to have complete power over the president without something being done about it? I'm sure that if that were actually happening then someone like Mueller wouldn't take close to two years investigating it. Pretty sure ...

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Submitted by Dr. John Carpenter on Wed, 07/04/2018 - 10:59am

My point also.

@snoopydawg

How can anyone seriously believe that any foreign country would be allowed to have complete power over the president without something being done about it? I'm sure that if that were actually happening then someone like Mueller wouldn't take close to two years investigating it. Pretty sure ...

The US has overthrown governments for less. We’re really expected to believe this president is being controlled by Russia and TPTB are just going along with it?!?

Democratic-funded opposition research known as the Steele dossier

Seven times the FBI tried to entrap people from the Trump campaign

The Federal Bureau of Investigation formally opened its Trump investigation after Western intelligence assets and Clinton-affiliated political operatives repeatedly approached the Trump campaign and tried but failed to damage it through associations with Russia, a growing body of evidence suggests.

Before the FBI began investigating the Trump campaign in an operation code-named “Crossfire Hurricane,” there were at least seven different instances when campaign advisers were approached with Russia-related offers. Most of those contacts — including Donald Trump Jr.’s much-publicized meeting with a Russian lawyer and others in June 2016 — offered the prospect of information damaging to Donald Trump’s Democratic opponent, Hillary Clinton.

Two of these approaches were made by one U.S. government informant already publicly identified as such, Stefan Halper. Another was made by a man who swore in court that he had worked as an FBI informant. Two others were made by figures associated with Western intelligence agencies. Another two approaches included political operatives, one foreign, with ties to the Clintons.
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But Mark Wauck, a former FBI agent with experience in such tactics, sees an effort at entrapment. “What appear to have been repeated attempts to implicate the Trump campaign, in some sort of quid pro quo arrangement with Russians who claimed to have ‘dirt’ on Hillary,” Wauck told RealClearInvestigations, “look like efforts to manufacture evidence against members of the Trump campaign or create pretexts to investigate it.”

At the same time, in early spring, the Clinton campaign commissioned, through its law firm, the Washington, D.C.-based communications firm Fusion GPS to dig up dirt on the Trump campaign’s alleged ties to Russia. The result was the infamous 35-page dossier compiled by former British spy Christopher Steele.

It appears that neither the FBI nor the Clinton campaign’s paid operatives came up with anything of substance. The seven approaches to the Trump campaign, as far as is publicly known, generated no evidence of coordination with the Russians. No evidence has emerged to change former FBI Director James B. Comey’s description of key parts of the Steele dossier as “salacious and unverified.”

Read the article to see the 7 times that the campaign was tried to be set up. I wonder if any laws were broken or something?

How can anyone seriously believe that any foreign country would be allowed to have complete power over the president without something being done about it? I'm sure that if that were actually happening then someone like Mueller wouldn't take close to two years investigating it. Pretty sure ...

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Submitted by dystopian on Tue, 07/03/2018 - 7:37pm

senate intelligence ?

Did someone say Senate and intelligence in the same sentence? Senate intelligence is an oxymoron on par with military intelligence, Republican compassion, and war for peace.

Would this be the same geniuses that declared Wikileaks a hostile non-state intelligence service? Bunch of maroons grasping for straws to maintain their charade, the real actual traitors.

The Awans walk free with their Clinton provided lawyer whilst they try to kill Julian for telling the truth. It's "Oh the emails" instead of "OMFG unsecured classified data was lost to our enemies by Hillary Goddam Clinton".

Because the Commander Obummer in Chief was so qualified, his indians ran the nutshell show.

Kabuki theatre is right.

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Submitted by Pricknick on Tue, 07/03/2018 - 11:29pm

He, he. I couldn't resist.

@dystopian
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Rocky: Hey, what's the meaning of this?
Agent: Military intelligence. That phrase mean anything to you?
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Submitted by Alligator Ed on Tue, 07/03/2018 - 7:57pm

Can I be censored for writing "bullshit" too much?

No. Okay, here goes. Bullshit...Bullshit...Bullshit...Bullshit...Bullshit...Bullshit...Bullshit...Bullshit...Bullshit...Bullshit...Bullshit...Bullshit...Bullshit...Bullshit...Bullshit...Bullshit...Bullshit...Bullshit...Bullshit...Bullshit...Bullshit...Bullshit...Bullshit...Bullshit...Bullshit...Bullshit...Bullshit...Bullshit...Bullshit...Bullshit...Bullshit...Bullshit...Bullshit...Bullshit... Enough already.

So three of the 17 intelligence agencies actually released reports, derived from hand-picked "unbiased" sources that were only moderately confident of their conclusions about RussiaRussiaRussia collusion--and with no proof other than the efforts of 13 Russian trolls and a catering company. And Herr Müller can't even provide evidence in court about one of the companies whose US legal representatives demand trial by jury--and one of three indicted companies didn't even exist at the time of the campaign.

Richard Burr, a rabid Never Trumper, will almost receive vengeance from the orange man in the WH. What that will be, only Q knows.

Submitted by Johnny Q on Tue, 07/03/2018 - 8:58pm

Let me help you

@Alligator Ed

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Submitted by dystopian on Tue, 07/03/2018 - 9:32pm

intelligence assessment

@Alligator Ed

Amazing how they cover up (since no media coverage) it was an intelligence assessment which is the low end category, the next higher up category requires all dissenting views within the agencies to be presented, hence why they used the lower bar assessment category. I forget the terminology for the next higher level (which you think this would be if as alleged), but this way as just an assessment intelligence opinions disagreeing with the plan could not and would not be seen. As you say, it was all hand-picked to reach the conclusion desired, and kept at assessment level so no other professional informed view could be voiced, heard, or seen.

Hand cherry-picked conclusions does not make good science or politics.

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Submitted by lotlizard on Wed, 07/04/2018 - 2:17am

“Muskatnuss, Herr Mueller”

@Alligator Ed
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=muskatnuss+herr+m%C3%BCller&iax=videos&ia=videos

(French comedian Louis de Funes in the 1966 movie Le Grand Restaurant)

Submitted by Alligator Ed on Wed, 07/04/2018 - 5:47am

Danke, lotlizard

@lotlizard Nutmeg can be harmful to your health in large quantities (just like Democrats)

Submitted by The Voice In th... on Wed, 07/04/2018 - 9:47am

That reminds me...

@Alligator Ed Did the USA try to influence the French Election? The German Election? The Brexit vote?
And those are allies.

Did they try to influence the Iraqi vote? (can't stop laughing!)
How about the Venezuelan vote?
The Mexican vote?
How about the Diem assassination?

And they get indignant about Facebook ads?

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Submitted by Wink on Tue, 07/03/2018 - 10:15pm

They might be right.

I find nothing in this piece that suggests "Russia Stole the Election."
The suggestion, instead, is that there WAS (and might still be) a Russian cyber attack, and there was some tRump hanky panky in Dec. 2016, as "President Elect," that involves Russia, Putin and Bibi re. ISIS. Whether that's kosher or not.... who knows?
Empty Wheel in a bit of a pickle
But Twitter is all abuzz about this "new evidence," and how Rachel should be all over it. Looks like they've Finally got their tRump!! or not.

[edit] forgot the or not.

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Submitted by Pluto's Republic on Wed, 07/04/2018 - 6:37am

Oh my goodness.

@Wink

Wheeler tells such a silly story. I can think of three stories in the past seven days (one about Michael Flynn) that demonstrate what self-important nonsense she spouts. She's been caught in a classic Munchasen Syndrome by Proxy dilemma. It could be an occupational hazard for her. And the mewling of her sycophantic audience! It is disturbing to read, although a few of them could not escape the gravity of their intellectual honesty and expressed their embarrassment for her.

While the FBI has no sense of humor to speak of, I cannot help but think they got a chuckle out of Wheeler's histrionics.

From her comments:

sd.
July 3, 2018 at 3:11 pm

It is embarrassing for anyone that enjoyed your writing and recommended it to others to have to read nonsense such as “a person whom I had come to believe had played a significant role in the Russian election attack on the US”.

And look who have we here! Is that Mr. Moon of Alabama? I am so relieved to see that I am not alone in my assessment:

b
July 3, 2018 at 3:24 pm

“a person whom I had come to believe had played a significant role in the Russian election attack on the US”

Interesting. I have not seen any evidence of such an attack. Only assertions without proof of various people with interests to claim such.

“I’m making this public now because a David Ignatius report Thursday maps out an imminent deal with Russia and Israel that sounds like what was described to me within hours of the election.”

What Ignatius stenographed is an unrealistic Israeli wishlist (the demand of no Iranians in Damascus makes this obvious). Israel is not in the situation where it can make such demands. The Syrian government will claim back all of Syria with support of its allies. It is the only entity to decide about Iran’s role in Syria.

In 2015, when the first Russian fighter jet landed in Hmeymim, the U.S. knew that it had lost in Syria. It would not and will not risk a direct war against another nuclear superpower for regime change in Syria. Any reasonable strategist could foresee that. The Pentagon tried some tricks (and still does) to delay and to install some form of its “Salafist Principality” between Iraq and Syria but to no avail. It has lost the gamble. Trump (like Obama) understood that and acted appropriately.

I do not understand what rabbit hole Marcy has gone through. I'm left to quote someone smarter than me:

“I believe that what is being done in the context of the Russiagate in the US is the manifestation of deep domestic controversy, because the losers do not have the guts to accept that they have lost the elections.”

That was Sergej Lavrov in a recent interview. I think he is right.
http://www.mid.ru/en/foreign_policy/news/-/asset_publisher/cKNonkJE02Bw/...

Of course, b was denounced as a Russian troll.

That made my night.

Submitted by Creosote. on Wed, 07/04/2018 - 6:27am

Strikes me that the puzzle

@Pluto's Republic

is: What would anyone have wanted to influence the 2016 election for?
The assertions of VVP's guilt look like efforts to offer a cane to Her corpse.

#6

Wheeler tells such a silly story. I can think of three stories in the past seven days (one about Michael Flynn) that demonstrate what self-important nonsense she spouts. She's been caught in a classic Munchasen Syndrome by Proxy dilemma. It could be an occupational hazard for her. And the mewling of her sycophantic audience! It is disturbing to read, although a few of them could not escape the gravity of their intellectual honesty and expressed their embarrassment for her.

While the FBI has no sense of humor to speak of, I cannot help but think they got a chuckle out of Wheeler's histrionics.

From her comments:

sd.
July 3, 2018 at 3:11 pm

It is embarrassing for anyone that enjoyed your writing and recommended it to others to have to read nonsense such as “a person whom I had come to believe had played a significant role in the Russian election attack on the US”.

And look who have we here! Is that Mr. Moon of Alabama? I am so relieved to see that I am not alone in my assessment:

b
July 3, 2018 at 3:24 pm

“a person whom I had come to believe had played a significant role in the Russian election attack on the US”

Interesting. I have not seen any evidence of such an attack. Only assertions without proof of various people with interests to claim such.

“I’m making this public now because a David Ignatius report Thursday maps out an imminent deal with Russia and Israel that sounds like what was described to me within hours of the election.”

What Ignatius stenographed is an unrealistic Israeli wishlist (the demand of no Iranians in Damascus makes this obvious). Israel is not in the situation where it can make such demands. The Syrian government will claim back all of Syria with support of its allies. It is the only entity to decide about Iran’s role in Syria.

In 2015, when the first Russian fighter jet landed in Hmeymim, the U.S. knew that it had lost in Syria. It would not and will not risk a direct war against another nuclear superpower for regime change in Syria. Any reasonable strategist could foresee that. The Pentagon tried some tricks (and still does) to delay and to install some form of its “Salafist Principality” between Iraq and Syria but to no avail. It has lost the gamble. Trump (like Obama) understood that and acted appropriately.

I do not understand what rabbit hole Marcy has gone through. I'm left to quote someone smarter than me:

“I believe that what is being done in the context of the Russiagate in the US is the manifestation of deep domestic controversy, because the losers do not have the guts to accept that they have lost the elections.”

That was Sergej Lavrov in a recent interview. I think he is right.
http://www.mid.ru/en/foreign_policy/news/-/asset_publisher/cKNonkJE02Bw/...

Of course, b was denounced as a Russian troll.

That made my night.

Submitted by Alligator Ed on Wed, 07/04/2018 - 6:40am

The Lavrov interview makes interesting reading

@Pluto's Republic Getting the Russian viewpoint.

Question: Well, Robert Mueller indicted the Internet Research Agency, the Russian “troll factory”.

S.Lavrov: Indictment is something, which requires a trial and I understand that they have submitted their own case and they have challenged quite a number of things, which were used for the indictment. So let’s not jump the gun. I love Lewis Carroll, but I do not think that the logic of the queen, who said “sentence first, verdict later”, is going to prevail. So far, you take the presidential election in the US, take Brexit, take the Salisbury case, take the tragedy with the Malaysian Boeing MH17 flight, it is all based on “investigation continues, but you are guilty already”. It cannot work this way.

"Off with their heads, after which they can plead their case."

This new "evidence" of Russian meddling in electoral politics is about as potent as the evidence that Herr Müller has unearthed--i.e., nothing, nada, nichts.

Great research by the way to find this interesting interview, Pluto. I loved Lavrov's dissection of two "investigations" (of the Alice in Wonderland variety): Skripal poisoning shenanigans and OPCW rigging. It's all in the vein of "I could tell you but then I would have to kill you".

#6

Wheeler tells such a silly story. I can think of three stories in the past seven days (one about Michael Flynn) that demonstrate what self-important nonsense she spouts. She's been caught in a classic Munchasen Syndrome by Proxy dilemma. It could be an occupational hazard for her. And the mewling of her sycophantic audience! It is disturbing to read, although a few of them could not escape the gravity of their intellectual honesty and expressed their embarrassment for her.

While the FBI has no sense of humor to speak of, I cannot help but think they got a chuckle out of Wheeler's histrionics.

From her comments:

sd.
July 3, 2018 at 3:11 pm

It is embarrassing for anyone that enjoyed your writing and recommended it to others to have to read nonsense such as “a person whom I had come to believe had played a significant role in the Russian election attack on the US”.

And look who have we here! Is that Mr. Moon of Alabama? I am so relieved to see that I am not alone in my assessment:

b
July 3, 2018 at 3:24 pm

“a person whom I had come to believe had played a significant role in the Russian election attack on the US”

Interesting. I have not seen any evidence of such an attack. Only assertions without proof of various people with interests to claim such.

“I’m making this public now because a David Ignatius report Thursday maps out an imminent deal with Russia and Israel that sounds like what was described to me within hours of the election.”

What Ignatius stenographed is an unrealistic Israeli wishlist (the demand of no Iranians in Damascus makes this obvious). Israel is not in the situation where it can make such demands. The Syrian government will claim back all of Syria with support of its allies. It is the only entity to decide about Iran’s role in Syria.

In 2015, when the first Russian fighter jet landed in Hmeymim, the U.S. knew that it had lost in Syria. It would not and will not risk a direct war against another nuclear superpower for regime change in Syria. Any reasonable strategist could foresee that. The Pentagon tried some tricks (and still does) to delay and to install some form of its “Salafist Principality” between Iraq and Syria but to no avail. It has lost the gamble. Trump (like Obama) understood that and acted appropriately.

I do not understand what rabbit hole Marcy has gone through. I'm left to quote someone smarter than me:

“I believe that what is being done in the context of the Russiagate in the US is the manifestation of deep domestic controversy, because the losers do not have the guts to accept that they have lost the elections.”

That was Sergej Lavrov in a recent interview. I think he is right.
http://www.mid.ru/en/foreign_policy/news/-/asset_publisher/cKNonkJE02Bw/...

Of course, b was denounced as a Russian troll.

That made my night.

Submitted by snoopydawg on Wed, 07/04/2018 - 12:18am

All 17 intelligence agencies agree that Russia interfered with

the election right? Nope. Not according to this guy. He discredits this statement that I keep seeing people repeating.

Former US Envoy to Moscow Calls Intelligence Report on Alleged Russian Interference ‘Politically Motivated

In the January 6, 2017 report Clapper admitted that he saw no evidence of Russian interference in the election. Funny though that people continue to say it. This is one of the Clinton Creature's favorite thing to say to this day.

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Submitted by Alligator Ed on Wed, 07/04/2018 - 6:50am

snoopy, your two included links are great

@snoopydawg They both should be thrown in the faces of all those Hillbots and Mediots claiming RussiaRussiaRussia.

Like leaving "subtle" clues in the code as illustrated from one link:

Submitted by snoopydawg on Wed, 07/04/2018 - 11:38am

The first one should be required reading

@Alligator Ed

As dystopian stated above this guy also says that any report that is to be taken serious would also include the agents that dissented in the report.

It's that 1/6/2017 report by Clapper that is the most often repeat lie about Russian interference. I just read it on another website.

"All 17 intelligence agencies agree that Russia interfered with the election.

This has been the way the false information has spread. The headline will say something definitive, but inside the article are tons of sayings that show that it is unverified information or sources believe, strongly believe, see evidence or, or some other words that show that there is no hard evidence that anything in the headline happened. But when people's minds are made up it will skip over any information that disproves what they believe. That is what we see in Clapper's report and the online articles that came from it.

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Wed, 07/04/2018 - 12:42pm

Again people are agreeing with the all 17 meme

@snoopydawg

This is on the wrecked list this morning and I haven't seen one person say that that has been debunked over and over.

Here are things we know.

Russia interfered with the election of 2016 to help Donald Trump. It has a long history of trying to intrude into our politics and of election interference.

Every American intelligence agency agrees that Russia interfered with the election. The bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee stated it did. The bipartisan Senate Elect Committee recently agreed.

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Submitted by gulfgal98 on Wed, 07/04/2018 - 8:49am

Okay, I am a little slow, so bear with me

First, I am trying to figure out the definition of "meddled." I have read not read anything in all the articles published that actually defines this nebulous term, "meddled."

According to Merriam Webster here is how meddle is defined in the dictionary.

Definition of meddle

meddled; meddling play \ˈmed-liŋ, ˈme-dᵊl-iŋ\
intransitive verb

: to interest oneself in what is not one's concern : interfere without right or propriety (see propriety 3)

Is an outcome implied by the use of "meddled"? Is this the same thing as Hillary ~~meddling~~ cheating in the primaries in which there was a definite change in the outcome as a result?

Okay, assuming Russia did meddle in the 2016 Presidential election, how did they do it and did it affect the outcome? Were the voting results in key states changed and if so, how was it done? Were voters threatened or coerced into changing the way they intended to cast their ballots? Did the Russians purge legally registered voters off the eligible voter lists?

Mueller has been investigating this for over one year and all we have to show for this multi-million dollar investigation is few meaningless indictments. What are our hard earned tax dollars going to in this investigation? Seriously, it is an insult to the American tax payers for Mueller to indict 13 ham sandwiches, literally.

So far, the only dirty tricks and collusion I have seen are from the Clinton campaign. Can Bob Mueller explain how Bill Clinton earned a cool half million dollars for a speech in Russia after Hillary approved the Uranium 1 sale? Oh yeah, how could I forgot that Mueller himself was involved in Uranium 1?

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Submitted by The Voice In th... on Wed, 07/04/2018 - 12:12pm

Re: meddling

@gulfgal98 @gulfgal98
OK, I now know that the Senate report says Russian companies funded Facebook ads. And those companies have ties to the Kremlin. It is illegal for a campaign to accept donations from a foreign company or collaborate (collude?) with a foreign entity. You know, like Johnny Hwang. So if the Trump campaign actually collaborated with these Russian actors, yes, we have a criminal act. By the campaign!

It is well known that Trump has Russian business interests in Russia and that Hillary was virulently anti-Russia, Doesn't it make sense for a Russian business to try and boost Trump?
And how many US businesses that contributed to Hillary and the DNC have "ties" to the US government (i.e. defense contracts)? Does that mean the US government "attacked" the election? Or "meddled" in the election?

And why is the Congress investigating only Russian meddling? How about DNC meddling?
Those Senators should hang their heads in shame. But US politicians have no shame.
This is blatant McCarthyism.

EDIT: WGN news was just reporting on this as Russian attacks on the4 election and Russian hacking of the election results.
WGN is owned by the Tribune Broadcasting Company which is owned by Tribune Media Parent organizations: Oaktree Capital Management, JPMorgan Chase, Sinclair Broadcast Group per wikipedia. Follow the money.

I've never read the Los Angeles Tribune but it is owned through the same chain. Im sure some people on this blog have.

EDIT2: I was actually shocked to see how many channels are owned by Tribune Media. WAY excessive concentration of power. Can you say "monopoly"? I knew you could.

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Wed, 07/04/2018 - 11:18pm

Watch this video on Tribune's anchors after it bought out

@The Voice In the Wilderness

other media. The two people on the 3rd row second from the last are my local anchors. I don't know how any of these people could face their friends after this came out.

This describes why they said that

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Submitted by The Voice In th... on Wed, 07/04/2018 - 9:00am

My Essay disappeared!

I'll try to reconstruct it.

Yahoo News claims that "In rebuke to Trump, key Senate panel endorses finding that Russia attacked 2016 election". Attacked! Is there anything like that in the senate report? Has someone read it? Do I have to walk back my skepticism? Did Russians actually try to alter vote totals or destroy records?

Yahoo link is here. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/rebuke-trump-key-senate-panel-endorses-fi...

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Submitted by Alligator Ed on Wed, 07/04/2018 - 6:36pm

Putin enticed Democrats to self-destruct by RussiaRussiaRussia

@The Voice In the Wilderness Perhaps by raw cunning alone, V. V. Putin and comrades have let the Dimwit Dimocrats go after a small, carefully planted worm (or virus--or whatever) into the Intertubez. This, combined with the Dims' unbridled penchant for psychological projection, to jump wholeheartedly (and feeble-mindedly) into the trap and divide this country more than 13 St. Petersburg trolls and a Russian catering company could do by themselves in a decade.

Submitted by Wink on Wed, 07/04/2018 - 8:06pm

That's what my post

on the Empty Wheel
@The Voice In the Wilderness
(aka Marcy Wheeler) piece was all about. "Russia attacked the election!"
Strange that she used "attacked," but maybe she's drank the orange Kool Aid?

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Wed, 07/04/2018 - 11:29pm

This goes with my comment about how the media misleads people

@The Voice In the Wilderness

An unclassified seven-page report, released by the committee Tuesday with full bipartisan support, was based on an extensive, year-and-a-half-long investigation into the U.S. intelligence community’s January 2017 assessment that the Kremlin carried out its campaign in part for the purpose of promoting Trump’s candidacy and discrediting Hillary Clinton.

The committee’s conclusion: The assessment, which had been ordered by President Obama, is a “sound intelligence product” that was prepared by analysts who “were under no politically motivated pressure to reach any conclusions” and was based on a “range of all-source reporting,” albeit much of it still classified.

In his tweet, he went on to raise questions about the failure of the FBI under former Director James Comey (“Shady James Comey” he called him) to take possession of the DNC’s server and then asked: “Why isn’t Hillary/Russia being looked at? So many questions, so much corruption.”

This is another thing that media does. Trump has been asking why Comey and the FBI never looked at the DNC computers and yet based their investigation on their statement that Russia hacked it. Russia Gate started right before Wikileaks warned that they had the DNC files that showed how Hillary and the DNC rigged the primary against Bernie. Instead of the media focusing on that little tidbit they attacked the messenger. How many times have we seen that ploy? "Quick look over there."

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To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.

- Kevin Alfred Strom

Submitted by FreeSociety on Wed, 07/04/2018 - 11:10pm

Nope

The only "Russia Collusion" here that is factual is: Hillary Clinton, and the DNC, and the FBI combining to fund and contract out a Russian Firm to fabricate phony charges against Trump ("dirty dossier"), along with FBI abuse of the FISA process, and then Mr. Bill Clinton receiving a whopping $500 Thousand dollars paid by a Russian Bank (hello?) for a mere speech --- just as he and Hillary Clinton and Obama and Robert Mueller (FBI) were selling off our Nation's Uranium over to ... guess who? That's right .... Russia!

They did it. That's your Russia collusion folks!

Also remember, that it was dirty CIA hack John Brennan who was the one responsible for the U.S. Intelligence Agency fabricated report that claimed multiple Intelligence agencies said Russia "interfered with" our Election. This was a biased report, and Brennan is clearly an anti-Trump CIA hack who engaged in dirty tricks to create the phony narrative that was used by Clinton/DNC and the Media to fool people into thinking that the Election was somehow "illegitimate". It wasn't (and don't bet against Trump winning again in 2020 either).

Meanwhile, Robert Mueller's phony case against 13 Russian nationals for "meddling in the Election" has totally floundered in Court. No proof, no evidence. And even the so-called claim made of using social media to somehow "meddle" with the Election is not in any way a crime to begin with. Social media by itself is not either tampering, or breaking any laws ... it is just free speech and noise. Was it that which make Clinton just spend all her time with elite fundraisers, and not even bother to get out and campaign in the battleground states? Of course not.

The U.S. Senate is just merely regurgitating the bogus narrative and claims coming from the clearly biased John Brennan CIA-Intel hit piece on Trump. But that will just be proven to be fake news, when all Mueller can do is harass a few former associates of Trump for stuff totally unrelated to voting, elections, etc.

Mueller, Rosenstein, Brennan, Comey have all been caught with their pants down here in multiple lies and abuse of power manipulations. But because of (corrupt) Jeff Sessions, no one is getting prosecuted. It's obvious the DOJ and FBI cannot "investigate" themselves.