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bedlam

Bedlam, byname of Bethlem Royal Hospital, the first asylum for the mentally ill in England. It is currently located in Beckenham, Kent. The word bedlam came to be used generically for all psychiatric hospitals and sometimes is used colloquially for an uproar.

In 1247 the asylum was founded at Bishopsgate, just outside the London wall, by Simon FitzMary, former sheriff of London; it was then known as the Priory of St. Mary of Bethlehem (from which sprang the variant spellings Bedlam and Bethlem). Bedlam was mentioned as a hospital in 1329, and some permanent patients were accommodated there by 1403. In 1547 it was granted by Henry VIII to the City of London as a hospital for the mentally ill. It subsequently became infamous for the brutal ill treatment meted out to its patients. In the 17th and 18th centuries Bedlam was open to fee-paying spectators, but this disruptive practice was ended in 1770. The hospital was moved in 1675–76 to Moorfields (just north of the ancient London wall at Moorgate), in 1815 to St. George’s Fields (now in Southwark), and in 1930 to Monks Orchard, Beckenham. Now a part of the National Health Service, it is linked administratively with the Maudsley Hospital. Since 1936 the old hospital building in Southwark has been the site of the Imperial War Museum.

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sprinkle the thread with whatever gems you find ..

listened to this tune on a train all the way from New Orleans to Los Angeles
provided by a couple bros with a boom box in the bar car, over and over for two
days and nights. Kinda got tattooed into my brain. Wink

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Yes, Julia, you are reading that right.

Oil prices this morning are West Texas, $128 per barrel. Brent is a bit higher.

Turkey buys %70 of its wheat from Russia. China is Australia's biggest trading partner. Russian oil, gas and wheat will be welcomed in China India and countries across South America Africa And Asia.

Every country will make decisions on the basis of what's good for themselves. NATO keeps on spewing out propaganda that assumes its interests and points of view are all that matters.

IMHO, this is the chickens coming home to roost moment when the screen gets ripped aside and the true nature's of all parties concerned become apparent---bit by bit----to even the most confused and gaslit citizens of the world.

One more Tweet: Very bleak

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@NYCVG Sorry I don't tweet. Not only don't I Tweet but Don't Twitter or fritter. Trying to keep it simple as they are all full of shit. "Propaganda, all is phony". What a freaking mess this all is. Glad I don't do all that jazz. This dude says this and that woman says this and holy shit it's insane. Still I appreciate this site for various reasons. Hard to find any truth in the morass of social media and propaganda. So tired of the constant social media's idiocracy. Should get off the net entirely but hey WW3 and the plague. lol. Need to go outside and walk around a lot after 2 freaking years of hiding inside.

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We've woken up to another beautiful day but alas one full of more
hurt on us ordinary people.....The financial system is breaking down,
Europe wants to sell debt to go to war, Joementia hasn't a clue about
literally anything and here we are. If this shit wasn't planned by
the WEF, CIA/MIC to play out as it has, then this was the worst own
goal ever recorded in human history.

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I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish

"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"

Heard from Margaret Kimberley

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that this time the balloon really will go up. It won't happen as a result of thunderous speeches and chess-match-like subtle provocations, even though we have had plenty of those already: it'll happen as a result of a combination of human error and/or equipment malfunction. All it would take is one nutcase on someone's boomer laying off someone else's coast to loose one SLBM and it'll be katie-bar-the-door. Once the first one launches (for any reason or no reason), they all will: use 'em or lose 'em.

I've mentioned this before, of course. There have been too many seriously close calls already, some of which were only stopped by the willingness of a single person to say "No, the world will not end on my watch". Look up Stanislav Yevgrafovich Petrov and Vasili Alexandrovich Arkhipov for a couple of examples of such.

There are undoubtedly examples of this understated heroism on our side as well, although we'll probably never hear about them. We've been told forever that our side's weapons and command-and-control systems are perfect and failsafe; that wouldn't fit the official narrative. However, having said that, with the infestation of our armed forces by right-wing "Christian" dominionists who might well decide to seize the opportunity to immanentize the eschaton, I'm not so sure.

And now we suddenly have somewhat-respected editorial writers and relatively high-placed people in both parties making noises about how maybe a little nuclear war might actually be, you know, a good idea. Sure, Sunshine, let's just slap the bear. What could go wrong? Just yesterday, someone posted that clip from "Strangelove" with Turgidson saying something about us getting our hair mussed a little... People sometimes forget that the binder he's carrying is titled "World Targets In Megadeaths". There are far too many moving parts, and far too many points of unrecoverable failure to justify this to "increase shareholder value". We should not be here.

I've finally come to the point where I believe that there actually are members of the human race who are in fact subhuman. Anyone who believes that nuclear war should be encouraged falls into that category. The ones who believe so only for profit, especially so. At a minimum, they need to be slapped in the face repeatedly with a week-old dead trout.

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaZrAjkBhlM width:300 height:200]

I do not see how we come out of this alive, this time. In short, despite the best efforts of Palin and Cleese- I despair. But hey, I'm sure that there'll be something on the teevee tonight to take my mind off of it- just after these commercial messages for Shell Oil and Boeing...

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@usefewersyllables "immanentize the eschaton"-----

Your doomcast rings true to me.

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@NYCVG

the phrase and its etymology can be found here.

I use it in the more modern "hastening the apocalypse” sense here.

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@usefewersyllables Pfizer commercials.
I had 3 people walk in to get a deed prepared. While I worked on it, they sat at the conference table, all declared we should bomb and kill every single Russian, and get it over with now. Pussy footin' around is wrong.
I am positive they are all churchgoers, good neighbors. Except Russia makes them forget their good will toward man. Imagine wishing children in Russia dying en mass being cheered by these solid citizens?
I just heard it said out loud.

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981

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@on the cusp

in a comment to another thread, but it applies here.

We the people of the United States Of America are absolute suckers for the Two-Minutes-Hate. So if some "thing" is repeatedly presented as cut-and-dried, black-and-white, no-doubt-about-it Bad, and that thing leads to Hate, then I assume that it is part of someone's agenda to bias Joe and Mary Sixpack against it. I immediately become suspicious about it.

The Russians aren't all bad, but we've been told they are The Cause Of All Problems, so we are to Hate them.

Why, exactly? Cui bono?

More importantly, how did we come so exquisitely propagandized that we are ready, if not absolutely *determined*, to Hate at the drop of a hat? Why are we so ready to drop even the pretense of humanity? "Nuke 'em until they glow blue, so we can strafe them in the dark"...

I suspect that our history of splendid isolation over here on our very own continent has a great deal to do with it. We've never been invaded (except by those immigrants who are the Cause Of All The Other Problems, of course), and our cities have not been destroyed. Yet. We are Special- the gummint tells us so. And the churches tell us that all we have to do is repent and Accept Jayzus real quick before we become plasma, and everything will be just hunky-dory.

As they say in the financial industry, "past performance is no guarantee of future results". And these craters will indeed be biblical.

Too many questions, not nearly enough answers.

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@usefewersyllables  
(groundbreaking classic sci-fi novel from the 1950s) is suddenly all too close to spilling over into our real timeline again.

Often purchased on Amazon together, along with A Canticle for Leibowitz:
How to Profit from the Coming ‘Flame Deluge’

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@lotlizard

Not enough people have read it, clearly...

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@usefewersyllables
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and we as a species probably deserve it.

But here is another possibility. Maybe this "war" is as real as the "pandemic." That is, yes people are dying and yes there are issues in contention, but the "cure" has nothing whatever to do with the alleged problem. Our government and the others within its sphere of influence are launching economic suicide for the entire planet. This nonsense called, "sanctions"

Part of a reset.

Part of a scheme to end the nation state system and to reduce the global population for the new world wide community led by True Science.

Crazy speculation for a crazy world.

To be sure, while fucking around with this fraudulent war it is still very possible for some Dominionist General Ripper to push the button (Dr. Strangelove) or some computer might catch a virus and mistakenly drop the Bomb (Failsafe).

Like Momma Gump used to say, "Crazy is as crazy does."

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I cried when I wrote this song. Sue me if I play too long.

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@usefewersyllables
Was trying last week to find a free streaming video of that movie only to not find it anywhere. I have to buy one.
All of America should be watching that movie today. But, alas, the TPTB probably don't want the newer generations to get any ideas of how our government actually works.
While I'm familiar with Petrov and Arkhipov and their big saves, far far too many people haven't a clue how close we came to Armageddon, twice!
I have heard rumors of Dominionists in the US Airforce stealing a nuclear equipped B-52 and were on their way to Iran but were intercepted over the
Atlantic and forced to return. Somewhere back in the 80s, IIRC
Thanks for the post.

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Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.

@earthling1 @earthling1 You might try the Internet Archive

https://archive.org/details/dr-strangelove-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worr...

The audio is a bit lacking but passable.

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@exindy
Will give it a try.

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Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.

Buckle your seatbelts everyone!

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/average-price-gallon-gas-us-hi...

The average price of gasoline in the U.S. hit a record $4.17 per gallon Tuesday as the country banned Russian oil imports after its invasion of Ukraine.

The national average rose by 10 cents per gallon in one day, and it’s up 55 cents since last week, according to AAA data. The previous high was set 13 years ago when the national average price hit $4.10 per gallon.

The amount of U.S. gasoline in storage fell last week as demand starts to tick higher with summer approaching. The increase in gas demand and with inventories trending lower is contributing to rising prices at the pump, but skyrocketing oil prices are playing an increasingly large role as the conflict in Ukraine escalates.

The price of benchmark U.S. crude jumped 8% Tuesday to more than $129 per barrel.

Americans can expect the current trend at the pump to continue as long as crude prices climb, the AAA said.

Rising gas prices come as President Joe Biden has decided to ban Russian oil imports, toughening the toll on Russia’s economy in retaliation for its invasion of Ukraine.

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As Russia’s Military Stumbles, Its Adversaries Take Note

CONSTANTA, Romania — When it comes to war, generals say that “mass matters.”

But nearly two weeks into President Vladimir V. Putin’s invasion of Ukraine — Europe’s largest land war since 1945 — the image of a Russian military as one that other countries should fear, let alone emulate, has been shattered.

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I found this tripe at another message board and I found it wickedly amusing. The "image" of Russian Fearsomeness is "shattered," less than two weeks into the "war." Personally, I could not care less than I care about the "image" of Russian military prowess. But I am enough of a sports fan to know that it ain't over til the Fat Lady sings.

I have to wonder about the "image" of America's military "that other countries should fear." If it only took two weeks for the Russian Bear to show the world what a wimpy-assed bag of wind he really is, what is there to say about Uncle Sam's 20 years in Afghanistan before turning the country back over to the Taliban? What is there to say about the 18 and a half years in Iraq?

Or a country that shrinks back from military confrontation with Russia in favor of "Sanctions" that will hurt the people of the NATO countries far more than it will hurt Vlad the Invader or his political position in Russia?

Prose poems indeed.

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@humphrey

has he always been this dense?
buffalo them with calculus
trick 'em with triangular trigonometry
he just explained his inability to apply
reason to real world issues
Duh!

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Anyone here remember the details of late 60s issue of poverty stricken retirees surviving on cat food? That which the Catfood Commission of the Obama admin was named?
Have done an hour long search, but found nothing but a gaping memory hole.

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@earthling1

not too long ago. Those were attempts by the legislators to minimize benefits
to the elderly. I remember old folks buying actual cat food in the 70's in
St. Petersburg, FL to make cheaper tuna fish sandwiches to keep from starving.
I don't think the actual term came out until somewhere in the 80's when some
popular critic described the process of these 'commissions' as an attempt to
delegitimatize dignity in retirement. Not much has changed since then. It's just not
broadcast in the legacy media anymore.

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@QMS
the issue became a major expose' in the mid to late sixties, stumbled upon by an investigative reporter (now extinct) discovering his elderly neighbors buying cartloads of cat food and not even owning a cat.
It embarrassed the government so much that it birthed the COLA legislation of the early 70s. The narrative today is the extreme inflation rates of that time sparked the legislation. But that's not how I remember it.
At that time I had very elderly relatives living on less than $250 a month in SS.
The whole family pitched in to help them along, I mowed their lawn for them.
Maybe the LA Times archive would have something on it.
What pique my interest was the recent and ongoing shortage of cat food, even referenced by a commenter in Belgium.
Earthling2 just returned from the market despondent that the cat food shelves were near empty.

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I think the Biden administration banned Russian gas so that they could blame the inflation on Russia.
Then what if all those stories about the Russian advance stalling due to a collapse of Russian logistics and morale are nothing but propaganda? Then what if some idiot believes it?All it will take is one idiot wgo thinks his fellow generals are cowards.

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On to Biden since 1973