Open Thread - Friday, October 16, 2015

My fellow C99 citizens have been setting a high threshold for Open Threads. What is with the coherent essays? And we're off ->

That was fun, wasn't it?

You will have to excuse the lack of current events, I had to prepare the thread ahead of time. I will be out until this afternoon. I need to take Sweetie to the pain management clinic.

Prescription drug abuse has made the pain management protocol cumbersome.

The NC State Fair is open. No birds allowed.

Threat of avian flu cancels NC State Fair poultry shows

All poultry shows at the North Carolina State Fair have been canceled due to the threat of avian influenza, state officials said.

The fair always has um, cuisine.

Fried oreos, pop tarts among NC State Fair foods

The North Carolina State Fair begins on Thursday, but things started heating up Monday as the State Fair showed off some of the food for this year’s event.

The Deep Fried Sneak Peak in Dorton Arena promised a sizzling start to the 2015 Fair festivities.

From deep fried Oreos to to hushpuppies, to peanut butter and jelly chicken wings, vendors offered a taste of what will be served for fairground cuisine.

Going to the fair is great. The best part is people watching.

Our legislature passed the ALEC guns everywhere bill. You can bring your gun to a college campus or bar. But not the legislature, or the fair. The Republican Agriculture Commissioner managed to convince them to let them ban guns at the fair.

The gun ban is redundant, since chickens are not allowed.

Was that a sneaky way to morph into Funk Friday?

Have a great weekend! Now get out of the way and let the gentlemen do their thing.

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No problem. Hope you and Sweetie are doing ok.

More wars, longer wars, mile-high bullshit, what's to miss? Current events just piss me off, so I don't mind them being missing at all. My anger meter has been steadily and soundly on the high end, so I skipped the debate too. Knew I couldn't handle it. I am so sick of Obama. I can't wait for that lying @#$% to get out of Dodge.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

Hi again,

I know that you are totally pissed about politics and politicians. It is understandable since the current dialogue has been depoliticized as I noted in my comment posted on DK which was also posted here.

So here is a question. If you are so disgusted, why do you persist "wasting" your time on these fruitless efforts?

For that matter, the same question can be addressed to myself.

And why, dear God, do we spend time on dailykos?

Here is a basic question, What is politics?

You will have to excuse my scatter brained response here. After a 24 hour flight, I am trying to find some quotations from the book mentioned in the comment. And, I have to confess that I am a slow learner. I have been trying to figure out Graham Harman & Bruno Latour's work for a dozen years and more generally trying to figure out how philosophy can give insights to what is going on in the world -- this effort has been going on for over 40 years.

So, some things important to me may just be unintelligible to anyone else at this time.

Here is one: Bruno in his work brings in non human actors at the same level as human actors. In the time in Turkey, and especially in Uzbekistan, it was a history of rise and fall of empires. Uzbekistan was an important part of the Silk Road and before that sacked by Alexander the Great and Genghis s Khan. What is left is ruins and important figures of science and astronomy in the fifteenth century and before.

The location of towns and empires followed geography and soil. Here is the insight that came up over and over again

"the way non human elements are woven into the political fabric as agents of stabilization."

a marriage license is an example of a non human element as are electrons, unicorns and kings and empires

I could add more sentences to clarify this, but I am getting tired

the sentences that prompted this comment was

that politics is critically important because it creates the conditions for society

Dorthy, I apologize for this disoriented comment, but be assured that I continue to reflect on our discussion at NN in Detroit and am very pleased that you stuck around rather than dropping out.

This probably won't help, but it is an article by Graham Harman about his book on Latour

http://www.thecairoreview.com/essays/on-the-state-of-nature/

This is fundamental philosophical work. Not directly applicable, but new ways to get out of the Enlightenment notions of progress among other deep issues.

As ever,

Don

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Fight or flight? Maybe because we're all trapped with no place to run and no place to hide. Globalization and technology have made the world too small.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

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there are some things that are so vile and pernicious that you can't look away, especially when you can't really make meaning of your reality without taking them into consideration.

that's my excuse and i'm sticking to it.

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Obama and his lies, wars, drones, persecution of whistleblowers, and blind -eye to torturers and predator banks is vile. Viler than Cheney, who never claimed to be anything but a greedy dick.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

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a con man of hope and change to 'normalize' the 'unthinkable' criminal horror show of global and domestic that is now called policy and legal. Assange once said that this Democratic administration created new a new rule of law reinterpreting old law. To me Obama and Co. along with Holder are much viler then the Bushies. Then again the loyal opposition the Dems. during the Bushies regime we're complicit as they took all the prescribed remedy's off the table. I look at Obama as the talented PR guy they found and groomed to market the by-partisan coup that destroyed our democratic republic once and for all.

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And and and, Shaun King.

And likes on Facebook and retweets and stuff.

And ad money from the Gaagle Alphabet Inc. and Amazon.

So there.

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which will be the reward for the Ides of March shit, and the relentless flogging of "Bernie is bad because he lobbied superdelegates even though for some reason Hillary wasn't bad because superdelegates when she lobbied them"

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"The suspense is terrible! I hope it continues!" - Wilde

"I make you think I'm delicious with the stuff that I say" - Frank Zappa, "I'm the Slime [Oozing Out from Your TV Set]"

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"The suspense is terrible! I hope it continues!" - Wilde

Backlog of too many things to do

And just getting to understand this work after a decade of trying

Here is some parts of it that may be of interest

I posted it in a comment on BNR (Bernie News Roundup) which is a daily update of Bernie's campaign

Here it is

"no issues, no politics" (13+ / 0-)
I was in central Asia for the last two weeks and off the web. The remote places seldom had a TV that worked. I happened to be in Turkey and saw the end of the debate and then a CNN international talking head spent his time on the most important topic in his mind: will Joe Biden enter the race now that Hillary did so well in the debate.

I am reading a book on political philosophy and it had an important insight related to Bernie's campaign. Namely, "no issues, no politics"

That means that the "political" discussion we have had in the USA and Europe for the most part has been depoliticized. The CNN talking head was talking about what passes for politics, namely personalities, and on top of that, our larger current framework finishes off the job of depoliticizing politics with the focus on morality and economics added to the personalities.

This involves very complex issues of ontology and political philosophy that I am finally getting to understand.

The important thing for me is that Bernie has made the campaign political.

And in the book, politics is necessary when the institutions cannot solve a complex problem and it is necessary to construct and engage various associations around issues.

That is what Bernie is doing with his, and our work, to bring millions into politics.

Another point from the book: it is a false ideal to expect perfect knowledge from complex issues. Politics can not be judged with criteria like scientific truth in the same way that we cannot expect a modem to make toast. (the latter is a paraphrase from the book). Politics is a different mode of existence. (the books is about Bruno Latour's work and whose newest book "An Inquiry Into Modes of Existence")

I know that this comment is only a sampling of insights that struck me and I hope that it triggers some thoughts in others.

The book is by the philosopher Graham Harman and is titled "Bruno Latour: reassembling the political"

by Don midwest on Fri Oct 16, 2015 at 07:24:26 AM EDT

Here is the link

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/1433413/57952363#c18

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What a clever open thread, Tim. Good I hope things are going as well as can be expected for you and your Sweetie.

I have been trying to no allow myself to get too upset any more over politicians. Sometimes that is very hard to do. Tomorrow will be a telling day for our Peace vigil. We are down to only three of us and one of our number has had physical problems that should keep him from doing these vigils. Unfortunately, if we have one, we cannot keep him away. I do not know how much longer we can continue as we cannot find others to join us. I guess the commitment is too much for most people.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

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The double whammy to exports from the stronger dollar and cooling overseas markets was bound to hit employment in the world's largest economy. JPMorgan Chase & Co. has put numbers to the damage.
Export-oriented industries have been losing about 50,000 jobs a month for most of this year, after adding 9,000 a month on average in 2014, according to JPMorgan economist Jesse Edgerton. Recent manufacturing surveys hint the impact could worsen, and the employment erosion may extend into the first half of 2016, he predicts.

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proxy war

Turkey said its military shot down an unmanned drone near the Syrian border on Friday as interim Foreign Minister Feridun Sinirlioglu warned that Russian air operations in Syria may lead to accidents.

The nationality of the drone, which flew three kilometers (1.9 miles) inside Turkey’s border, can’t be determined yet, Sinirlioglu told reporters in Ankara. The aircraft was shot down after three warnings went unheeded, the military said in a statement.

All planes in Russia’s air group in Syria returned to base after their missions, while “unmanned aircraft conducting monitoring of the situation in Syria and conducting aerial reconnaissance are functioning normally,” Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov said Friday, according to the RIA Novosti news service.

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So...no cola for us greedy takers on social security this year. Well, naturally if gas prices fell we surely don't need it~

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I shave my legs with Occam's Razor~

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We are trying to get by on SSDI and Medicare. I expect the fealty to the 1% to cause further reductions. Our political class are a bunch of butt kissers.

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Insurrection Erupts at the Democratic National Committee

Of two dozen Democratic insiders with whom I spoke this week, including several DNC vice chairs, not one defended Wasserman Schultz’s treatment of Gabbard. Most called it ridiculous, outrageous, or worse. Many argued, further, that the debate plan enacted by the chairwoman is badly flawed—an assessment shared by many party activists, left-bent supporters of Bernie Sanders and Martin O’Malley, and those candidates themselves, all of whom see it as a naked effort to aid and comfort Hillary Clinton. And they maintained that the plan was a clear reflection of Wasserman Schultz’s management style, which many of them see as endangering Democratic prospects in 2016 and beyond.

This is Debbie Wasserman Schultz setting things up for her (and many within the DNC) preferred candidate, Hillary Clinton. It's so blatantly obvious that if anyone denies it they look ridiculous.

I swung by the GOS for a spell today, and now it's all about Clinton won the debate (which is ridiculous on its face), HRC taking a slim lead (still in the margin of error) in New Hampshire, and of course the DNC drama (which is really bad timing for everyone involved). The spin is annoying. Feels like The Empire Strikes Back over there today. Might have to detox myself with some of this site, Democracy Now, and NetFlix.

Last night I ran into some old friends that I haven't seen in a long while at Big Belly Brewery (2nd floor of the Chillers/Big Belly/Latitudes bar/club gestalt). We all used to hang out at Pine Street Bar & Grill...the local watering hole and before it shuttered its doors, the best dive bar in Downtown Orlando (Tangueray's is still there and is the last dive off of Orange Avenue). That place was our second living room, a dodgy old place with a wild assortment of characters, some larger than life. It was the place where everyone knew your name.

It had the typical dive bar stables--dart board, a pool table from the 1980s (and just as rickety), Touch Tunes, the Crackbox (that's what we called the touch screen games, with Photo Hunt and other puzzle games), and a half falling apart ping pong table. The food was excellent--best burgers you could get without going to a restaurant or Five Guys.

You could run a tab, skip out on it, and return the next day to settle up and no one would bat an eye. That's just how they rolled. When Pine Street closed, it was replaced by the Basement, another one of those paint-by-numbers douche bro bars--where the pretty people and trust fund babies hang out at. I consider it a small tragedy.

At Big Belly, we were playing poker. I ended up winning the whole thing this time. $100 bucks cold hard cash. Our buddies and I sauntered over to the Harp & Celt Irish Pub, which has the distinction of having President Obama visit twice when he visited Florida--in 2008 & 2012. If you're in town and are going to watch a soccer match, this is the place to be. The staff there is excellent and the menu is on point. I didn't blow the winnings on drinks, but put a slight dent in it. Round of shots. Simple and simple.

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If the Democratic party actually cared about electing Democrats, DWS would have been gone the day after the 2014 bloodbath. Her role seems to be about protecting the corporate interests. That is why the Democrats almost seem to prefer losing to the Rethugs than supporting progressive candidates.

It sounds like you have a good time in downtown Orlando. Good for you! Dirol

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“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

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asks Cole Porter.

I'm enjoying your tales of the Orlando scene and lament the transformation which sounds so much like Portland. Congrats on the win!

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You can play a round of golf on the Southside of Pittsburgh. That's 18 holes.

Jack's is open 365 days / year. During a Thanksgiving visit, a few years back, the kids decided to stay with grandma. We had a room @ the Southside HI Express, which is only a couple of blocks from Jack's. Sweetie and I stopped by Thanksgiving evening. To the left of us was a couple, a midget and a woman with a B52 and leopard print leather jump suit. To the right of us were some pretend biker tough guys. Sweetie says, "You sure see unusual people in Pittsburgh bars". I say, you are sitting in Jack's on Thanksgiving.

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Billboard plugging a real-estate development, seen next to a commuter-choked California freeway in the 1960s and 70s.

Used by the comedy group Firesign Theatre in their radio play titled "How can you be in two places at once when you're not anywhere at all."

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Federal agents were still cataloging the classified information from Hillary Rodham Clinton’s personal email server last week when President Obama went on television and played down the matter.
“I don’t think it posed a national security problem,” Mr. Obama said Sunday on CBS’s “60 Minutes.” He said it was a mistake for Mrs. Clinton to use a private email account when she was secretary of state, but his conclusion was unmistakable: “This is not a situation in which America’s national security was endangered.”

Those statements angered F.B.I. agents who have been working for months to determine whether Ms. Clinton’s email setup had in fact put any of the nation’s secrets at risk, according to current and former law enforcement officials.
Investigators have not reached any conclusions about whether the information on the server had been compromised or whether to recommend charges, according to the law enforcement officials. But to investigators, it sounded as if Mr. Obama had already decided the answers to their questions and cleared anyone involved of wrongdoing.

The White House quickly backed off the president’s remarks and said Mr. Obama was not trying to influence the investigation. But his comments spread quickly, raising the ire of officials who saw an instance of the president trying to influence the outcome of a continuing investigation — and not for the first time.

A spokesman for the F.B.I. declined to comment. But Ron Hosko, a former senior F.B.I. official who retired in 2014 and is now the president of the Law Enforcement Legal Defense Fund, said it was inappropriate for the president to “suggest what side of the investigation he is on” when the F.B.I. is still investigating.

“Injecting politics into what is supposed to be a fact-finding inquiry leaves a foul taste in the F.B.I.’s mouth and makes them fear that no matter what they find, the Justice Department will take the president’s signal and not bring a case,” said Mr. Hosko, who maintains close contact with current agents.

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for State Dept. business was very poor judgement, the kind of which should disqualify her for the highest office in the land.

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“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

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on Hillary, period. She's the 'inevitable' heir to the throne. What a farce of an election process we are watching For that matter the fix in regardless of who wins on any level. What we have is nothing but a Kabuki show that extends from the electoral wrestlin' match to our governing bodies once these bad actors get themselves officially sworn in. Took a five mile walk in the SE residential, people's neighborhood, area of my city yesterday. They really are demolishing it and taking out huge old trees along with the 'tired old' houses. Infill growth that moves out the riff raff. Every other block on our walk was closed do to the giant cranes and bulldozers busy wrecking the place. This is a Democratic city government. Will we be able to vote out these Dem. Vandals? No way as the next batch of Dem. candidates are waiting in the wings with their pockets full of developer and investor money.

Same with state and national there is no democratic process left anywhere in this country. There is also no justice system to uphold the law, the only laws left are aimed at keeping the riff raff in line. It's all connected and to think that any of the players from DWS to Bernie are not in on the fix is delusional. There is no way to put this humpty together again short of a real revolution instead of a fake 'political revolution'. I for one don't want to see people get slaughtered by raising up against the ruling psycho's and their enforcers be they military or cops. I am amazed at the arrogance that is being displayed by the political class as they seem this season to not even bother with putting on a decent show.

The time has come,' the Walrus said,
To talk of many things:
Of shoes — and ships — and sealing-wax —
Of cabbages — and kings —
And why the sea is boiling hot —
And whether pigs have wings.'

But wait a bit,' the Oysters cried,
Before we have our chat;
For some of us are out of breath,
And all of us are fat!'
No hurry!' said the Carpenter.
They thanked him much for that.

A loaf of bread,' the Walrus said,
Is what we chiefly need:
Pepper and vinegar besides
Are very good indeed —
Now if you're ready, Oysters dear,
We can begin to feed.'

But not on us!' the Oysters cried,
Turning a little blue.
After such kindness, that would be
A dismal thing to do!'
The night is fine,' the Walrus said.
Do you admire the view?

It was so kind of you to come!
And you are very nice!'
The Carpenter said nothing but
Cut us another slice:
I wish you were not quite so deaf —
I've had to ask you twice!'

It seems a shame,' the Walrus said,
To play them such a trick,
After we've brought them out so far,
And made them trot so quick!'
The Carpenter said nothing but
The butter's spread too thick!'

I weep for you,' the Walrus said:
I deeply sympathize.'
With sobs and tears he sorted out
Those of the largest size,
Holding his pocket-handkerchief
Before his streaming eyes.

O Oysters,' said the Carpenter,
You've had a pleasant run!
Shall we be trotting home again?'
But answer came there none —
And this was scarcely odd, because
They'd eaten every one."

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was better than Hillary are now telling everyone how great Hillary is. It's as ridiculous as the media asking Cheney, Rumsfeld and McCain what what we should do about all the wars in the middle east.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

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about one of my favorite artist's Shepard Fairey at the Guardian. It's hooked into politics in a strange way.

http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2015/oct/16/shepard-fairey-my-go...

Shepard Fairey: 'My goal was to make art by any means necessary'

The street artist, famous for his Obama image, could get a 10-year jail sentence for vandalism in Detroit, but meanwhile has a New York gallery exhibition

When the artist Diego Rivera arrived in Detroit in April 1932 – at the behest of auto magnate Edsel Ford – to create the Detroit Industry murals, he entered an industrial colossus laid low by the great depression and amplified by a chorus of conservative critics, who called his mixed-race, humanistic portrayal of the working class, “coarse in conception … foolishly vulgar, and a slander to Detroit workmen”.

More than 80 years later, street artist Shepard Fairey turned up in Detroit – at the invitation of billionaire fringe banking mogul Dan Gilbert – to paint several murals in the demolished and demoralised city. He also put up some illegal posters, which city officials described as vandalism. Now he faces 10 years in prison and fines exceeding $10,000.

The vandalism he is being charged with in Detroit are his famous Obey posters. He has a 'fine art' show of his work that opened in NYC called On Our Hands.

On Our Hands also demonstrates the disillusion Fairey – best known for his “Hope” poster co-opted by the 2008 Obama presidential campaign – has experienced in an era of promise beginning with the United States’ election of its first black president. Citing his dismay over Obama’s use of drones in Pakistan and the Middle East, as well as the administration’s continuation of the domestic surveillance programs, Fairey said he has “come to realise that the problems are not dependent on the actions of one person” but are largely symptoms of a broken system where corporations and oligarchs corrupt democracy.

Sometimes I wonder where are the artist's who in the past stepped up when the world went this dark.

“Americans need to stop being obsessed with personalities and start looking more closely at the principles that are at play within the dynamics of our system. The players change but the problems stay the same.” Shepard Fairey

Rivera, said in reflection of his life and controversies, including Detroit, that an artist is “above all a human being, profoundly human to the core”. If the artist “won’t put down his magic brush and head the fight against the oppressor, then he isn’t a great artist”.

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But where is the 21st century Picasso who will paint it?

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

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