OK, so Tom Perez won -- now what?

My first posting, so please be gentle, people.

Just sent the following missive to my congressional "representative" (a declared democrat in a "purple" state; although I suspect she supports demorat "leadership" on most issues). BTW, I was/am pretty unhappy about the outcome, in case you can't tell --

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/tom-perez-elected-as-first-lati...

... demexit.  Demorat (not a typo) "leadership" just demonstrated that they are fully committed to the same, old, tired, neolib/neocon, bought-off, identity-politics, losing "strategy" that they have been pursuing for the past 20 years or so.  They will continue to lose, pretty much everywhere, for the forseeable future, although putting up a "good fight" with a "brave game face".  It's kind of like the Washington Generals and the Harlem Globetrotters (a sham contest) -- usually a near thing, but you always knew who was going to win, no matter where the game was played.

Won't be caucusing with the demorats (not a typo) any more; and I suspect that most millennials will not either - the primary season (obvious cheating) & national election (more cheating; not quite so obvious) were a revealing experience for many of them.  During the 60s, the dems "lost the South for a generation" (actually, probably forever -- good riddance to bad rubbish, in my personal opinion); but a least were striving for a noble cause, rather than simply trying to hold on to a modicum of power. The demorats (again, not a typo) just lost younger voters for at least a generation.

Please take me off of your broadcast email list; I am willing to associate with losers, on occasion, but only by choice --

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Keith got put in charge of outreach. They lost a 1,000 seats and the WH to the moron, and we got crumbs. Fuck them. I voted for Jill in 2016. If I can live with Trump for 4 years, I can live with him for 8. We should have destroyed the Democrats in 2010 and 2014 when the stakes weren't so high.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

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There was no reason for Perez to have been in this except that the third way people wanted him there instead of Ellison for the same reason they wanted Hillary and not Bernie.

With the democrats appointing Pelosi and Schumer and the DNC voting to take lobbyists money that shows that they don't have any intention to change the direction of the party.

I have seen too many comments deriding the people on the 'progressive left' and saying that we need to accept the party being centrist.
Fuck that, that's why they are bleeding voters and they don't give a rat's ass.

And yes, it's just like the Harlem globetrotters and the Washington generals.
Amy Goodman had an ex congress member on her show and he admitted that they take turns being in charge.
The republicans should have been dead after the Bush administration remember? In one election season they won back the house. In two, they won all 3 branches of government.
DWS did her job.

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@snoopydawg ... didn't know whether my Harlem Globetrotters analogy would stand up, but it seemed right to me --

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When Cicero had finished speaking, the people said “How well he spoke”.
When Demosthenes had finished speaking, the people said “Let us march”.

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@jwa13 The democrats let the republicans make fools of them when every time they are the minority party they can stop the democrats from passing their agendas, but when it's the democrats who are the minority party they are helpless to stop the republicans. It's about time that the game was exposed and after it was there are so many people who will never admit it.
And you did great for your first essay.

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Four more years of corporatism, super delegates, and losing.

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Remember that bill and Hillary both wore purple during her speech after she lost? I don't remember what it was supposed to represent, but I remember people commenting about it.

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@snoopydawg All these Astroturfed Protests...
They are trying for a Purple Revolution here in the US...

Treason at best...

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I'm the only person standing between Richard Nixon and the White House."

~John F. Kennedy~
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@Oldest Son Of A Sailor means.
I read that the reason why Obama is staying in DC is so he can work with the Clintons to protect his legacy.
I need to find the article that asks what legacy is he protecting?
We know what he did and didn't do so I don't have to rehash it, but look at the power he left in Trump's hands.
Heck of a job, Barry.

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@snoopydawg for a Police State...

"Look at the power he left in Trump's hands."

This is the stuff Republican Wet Dreams are made of...

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@Oldest Son Of A Sailor God, they can't even get the logistics of a color revolution right! If it's gonna be "purple" then the dominant color of your kickoff event should not be pink! How hard is this shit, anyway?

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal I think this might be footage from a meeting between Hillary and John Podesta.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

@snoopydawg

Ellison& Bernie- woof, woof.

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@snoopydawg Like In Royally Flushed down the toilet of history I hope.

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One reason that I was asking about which directions to pursue now is that Trump's victory and boorishness have galvanized people into acting. Where I live that's being orchestrated by Democratic party operatives. They are co-opting grass roots activism to support their own sense that they 'wuz robbed!' It's tricky. For me, it's a little bit like the question of whether Dem Reps and Senators should completely resist -- or cooperate with Trump on legislation that could be good for the people. I'm concerned that if I support resistance against our Republican Representative that I support the Dems in re-asserting their tired neoliberal ideas. Yet those activities are the only games in town, because right now they are being positioned as broad-based resistance movements and serving as an outlet for a tremendously high level of public anger. Don't know if all locales are facing the same choices. Not sure that the Demorats will wither up and go away in the short-run. (And like some others on this board I was actually more concerned about Hillary being elected than I was about Trump.) But if popular uprisings get channeled into increased support for the Dems, it would be a real failure by those of us on the Left. So how to resist outside the Duopoly in a way that addresses the real needs of the 99% and without contributing to a resurgence for the Demorats?

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@MsDidi Do people here think every single protest is DNC- or Clinton-directed? They're not. Average, random everyday people are standing up and getting involved. Instead of worrying about the Democrats coopting the "resistance," co-opt it yourself. You don't have to start a whole political party. How about a protest? Or organize a bunch of people to shock a local town council or school board by showing up at a meeting.

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@Cassandrus Resist on the local scale. Resist on the large scale. And when you can, activate change.

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@MsDidi Yet those activities are the only games in town, because right now they are being positioned as broad-based resistance movements and serving as an outlet for a tremendously high level of public anger.

This is the point: taking up the oxygen.

So we need to figure out other ground from which we can act. It's tough, but I'd say head away from the individual and start a movement against both parties and against corruption. We should be rebelling against the system that gave us the choice Hillary vs Trump.

Or we could organize positively rather than negatively, but that would require more thought and effort.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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Haim Saban says Ellison would be a disaster for the Jewish community and for the Democratic Party

Saban threatened to withhold his donations to the DNC if Ellison was put in charge of it.
Another comment from the thread of why was did the WH recruit Perez to run against Ellison?

How can Democrats tolerate this piece of shit!? Why the fuck isn't this a bigger deal?? If there was a wealthy Russian who only donated to Trump and went out to say that his only care was about Russia not the US there would be a fucking media firestorm over that shit. Yet this demented fuck is the one bankrolling the "liberal" party? A guy who wants to steal the homes and land from people who've done the horrible, unforgivable crime of not being Jewish?!?! FUCCCKKK this shit makes me so angry. An unabashed racist is the person who owns the Democratic party's pursestrings, and no one seems to care?

https://theintercept.com/2017/02/24/key-question-about-dnc-race-why-did-...

I looked in at DK and anyone who isn't happy with Perez winning is getting slammed as usual. They just don't get it and won't listen to anyone's opinion on why it matters to many people that Ellison lost.

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@snoopydawg but who is KFS?

The comment about the Russian donor is spot freaking on!

Not surprising behavior from the Hillbot crew at the Orange Stain. Pack mentality is their forte, after all. Gawd how I can't stand that place.

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@Deja here is the link to the discussion and at the bottom of the picture of Ellison there is a link to the article about why the WH asked Perez to run against Ellison.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kossacks_for_Sanders/comments/5vxrb4/key_questi...

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@Deja I thought for a second you'd written "The Orange Stalin." Heh.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

I left the Dems as a registered member back in 1980, but they have now lost any chance that I might support any future candidate supported by the DNC. I can see where many others who are also greatly disappointed by the clueless intransigence displayed by those DNC losers will decide enough is enough and leave as well. Just how much more evidence do we need to see that the Party refuses to change?

There is nothing left to save of the Whigs of the 21st Century. Time to go and not look back.

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Vowing To Oppose Everything Trump Attempts.

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This isn't DKos...
The only need to worry is if you come here bravely waving a Clintonista Flag...
Then you might eventually be told to sit down..

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I'm the only person standing between Richard Nixon and the White House."

~John F. Kennedy~
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they once won

In honor of March Madness, when a team from Obscure Tech can dream of knocking off Mighty State, I present what may well be the greatest basketball upset of all time. Forget UConn, Villanova, N.C. State, Chicago Loyola. Had Central beaten Iowa State, it wouldn't have come close to this one.

On Jan. 5, 1971, in a college gym in Martin, Tenn., a team then called the New Jersey Reds, the supposed stooge team that laid down for The Harlem Globetrotters, instead rose up and defeated the fabled Trotters, 100-99 in overtime.

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@gjohnsit the only times I watched the Globetrotters (and I saw them a couple of times in person; very good BB players, BTW; no shit about that), the Washington Generals were a set-up squad.

Seems to me that's where the corporatist demorats are right now -- and no overtime wins in sight --

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When Cicero had finished speaking, the people said “How well he spoke”.
When Demosthenes had finished speaking, the people said “Let us march”.

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@gjohnsit ... like a shot blocked by the Globetrotters actually going through the Generals' net as the buzzer went off? Because I can't imagine anything similar really happening for the demorats --

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When Cicero had finished speaking, the people said “How well he spoke”.
When Demosthenes had finished speaking, the people said “Let us march”.

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continues to shrink over time.....

But if donors continue to pony up the money, all is good. Governing is for losers/hard work/who needs it, etc.

(Edited)

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

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So far, it seems like the 8 people left in the room are all clamoring for Unity!!

"We have so much in common, we must unify!"

Stop
Stop

So tired of hearing unity. We have virtually nothing in common.

The Obama/Clinton coalition has virtually nothing in common with those who are fighting for a better future.

More Wars (for profit)
Destroying the environment (for profit)
Job destroying trade deals (for profit)
No single payer (because of profit)
No fight against corporations (because of profit)
Destroying education (for profit)

and on and on...

Hopefully more people will wake up and abandon the Dems. Didn't 20% of the party Demexit just these past few months? Like 14 million people or so?

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@Strife Delivery Did you see this? The single person applauding is hysterical:

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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Oh and don't worry about first posts. I fretted about my first topic here.

People here are pretty laid back for the most part. Some fun characters as well.

Hell we even have an alligator doctor. How many places on the net can say that?

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will think they have a say in the Dem platform. How transparently disingenuous of the Democratic Party. Fuck the Democratic Party. Anyone still registered Democrat is a fool.

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"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho

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@the_poorly_educated
Florida with the rest of the DNC candidates (except Pete Buttigieg) and kissed Brock's ring at a to-do the day of the women's march.

Top Democrats Missed Women’s Marches to Attend Luxury Donor Retreat Thrown by Clinton Henchman
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/01/23/democrats_missed_women...

IMO even if Ellison did win, it would just be another guy trying to sheepdog us back into the veal pen. I'm done with the Dim-o-crats anyway. But it's always interesting to see the many ways they try to woo us and then screw us.

P.S. LOVE your Groucho Marx quote. He's one of my idols (I'm old and can remember him very well). A lot of the things he said may seem funny but if you thought about them, they were really brilliant. Like Frank Zappa. I've been in love with Zappa since I was 17.

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Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

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@Amanda Matthews ... can we make a pact to refer to the long-time-dead "political party" as the "demorats"? That will make communication on a progressive site so much more "compact" (eliminating the "C"s; also the "Social Security"; "Medicare"; "National Labor Relations Act") and other such "communist" associations from the demorat (sorry, demoCrat) "party" --

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When Cicero had finished speaking, the people said “How well he spoke”.
When Demosthenes had finished speaking, the people said “Let us march”.

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She says that Obummer placed Perez on the ballot and he was being supported for DNC head by those of the consultocracy. You know those folks who made millions of dollars with their polling, stink tanks, focus groups and ad buys--well, actually it was $1.4 Billion, but why quibble? This is a good point. Many of these consultants are also DNC members. Anybody see a conflict of interest here?

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@Alligator Ed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okSpEXZYOys

It's worth watching--helps us understand why Perez?

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will continue.

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Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.

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@Pricknick they can lose w/o me --

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When Cicero had finished speaking, the people said “How well he spoke”.
When Demosthenes had finished speaking, the people said “Let us march”.