Obama: Would be 'personal insult' to legacy if black voters don't back Clinton

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/17/politics/obama-black-congressional-caucus/

I wonder if there's a floor for how low this guy will go. The Clintons must really have something good on him; he's looking a tad desperate. I don't know what else to say. You guys have a go at it.

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Centaurea's picture

Sounds like the Dems and Hillary campaign are getting desperate, if they're reduced to having POTUS emotionally blackmail people into voting for her. Even "Oh, no, Trump!" isn't working for them anymore.

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it's still working.

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There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.

He is not going to thumb his nose at the nominee. And, by supporting him so strongly in 2008 (after encouraging the PUMAs), the Clintons helped him get elected. He owes them all, big time.

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He didn't and still doesn't give a horse's ass about that.

These people have no loyalty to anything but themselves and money. My guess is the Clintons are giving him big money and big connections. Add their corporate gig to his corporate gig, and it explains how this "public servant" can afford $22K/mo for a 9 bedroom mansion in DC. Besides, his little girls will be needing their own homes next door to Chelsea fairly soon.

I know Trump is a slime bucket, but hey, what else is new. Obama, Clintons and Dems beating him at his only claim to fame is twice as bad.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

rich. Bill Clinton is a great example of that.

Media, from MTP to Samantha Bee, and Democratic pols, including the Clintons, are trying so very hard to sell us that Trump is so much worse than Hillary, so vote Hillary. I see them as equally bad, but Hillary as worse for the country long-term (or as long as global warming gives us).

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on how to give peeps unrefusable offers.

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There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.

Obama must realize that in very short order, there will be no-one much left alive to be horrified at his legacy if the Clintons return to the White House and begin that 'limited' nuclear 'war' for a nice round of Mutual Assured Destruction among several countries.

If the planet is simply enslaved by SoS Hillary-promoted 'trade deals' for unrestrained maximized anticipated profiteering and industrial poisoning until industrially/militarily polluted to death, the breathable air/oxygen and potable water will run out in merely short order, killing all surviving thus far - which won't include we who are mere disposable non-billionaire corporate serfs.

But if I had any residual grain of respect for Obama remaining, this would have vaporized it...

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A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

No fucks left to give:
Rahm Emmanuel
Tim Geithner
Merrick Garland
Accepting a completely undeserved Nobel Peace Prize
Drawing a "red line" and then cowardly backing down.
Going wild using drones.
Collateral damage, of course doesn't matter, he's a Nobel Peace Price Winner!
Alllowing the Clintons to destroy Haiti https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNM4kEUEcp8
Selling out OUR HEALTH CARE to Joe Lieberman, Max Baucus and BIG PHARMA
No government negotiation for Medicare drugs with Big Pharma - WE LOOSE AGAIN!
Thought he was funny at Correspondent's Dinner making fun of Donald Trump - who's laughing now?

How DARE you, the President of the United States BLACK MAIL citizens of this country.
HOW THE FUCK DARE YOU!!!!!

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"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"

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Drawing a "red line" and then cowardly backing down.

If you are talking about him not invading Syria after he said that Assad had used sarin gas on his own people.
The UK proved that the gas used couldn't have come from Assad and then the truth came out who actually used the sarin gas.
It was the us by proxy of its moderate terrorists.
What was happening at the Benghazi embassy was that the CIA was taking Gaddafi's weapons our of it and giving them to the US backed terrorist including the sarin gas.
It has been proven that it was our terrorist that used the gas on the Syrians in order to give the US a reason to invade Syria.
I am not sure that I understand what you mean, did you want Obama to start bombing another country in the middle east on false pretenses?

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Big Al's picture

lying their asses off and knew they couldn't pull it off.

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I wanted him to be smart enough to keep his mouth shut, Biden too.

Once again, the CIA does damage.

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I wasn't sure what you meant as I mentioned.
Yep, once again the CIA is in the thick of it.
Did you have a chance to read RFK's article yet?
I love the way he wrote about the history of how the CIA has been messing in other countries since they were created.
Funny how that wouldn't be tolerated here if anyone messed with our government.
Unless that's what happened in 63.

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A 63 coup explains the MIC budget since. Makes sense of a lot of stuff.

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It was something he should never have said in the first place.

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What was happening at the Benghazi embassy was that the CIA was taking Gaddafi's weapons our of it and giving them to the US backed terrorist including the sarin gas.

Shortly thereafter, the Russians said Soviet archives showed that the shell could have been been sold to Libya (but not Syria) in the late 60's.

"Russia's new "evidence" about the attack includes the dates of export of the specific rockets used and – more importantly – the countries to which they were originally sold. They were apparently manufactured in the Soviet Union in 1967 and sold by Moscow to three Arab countries, Yemen, Egypt and Colonel Muammar Gaddafi's Libya.

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The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?

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Selling out OUR HEALTH CARE to Joe Lieberman, Max Baucus and BIG PHARMA

Thank you for not forgetting Max Baucus of Montana. I don't want anybody to forget the main legacy of that particular product of unnatural acts with sheep......

Bad

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"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

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As of yesterday there has been 762 people in this country who have been killed by the police.
Since Trayvon Martin was murdered by Zimmerman I haven't heard Obama speak once about the increasing killings of unarmed blacks.
Tamir Rice could have been his son too, as well as the young boy that was killed yesterday in Ohio which is an open carry state and the boy had a bad gun.
The poverty level of blacks has increased since he became president and I haven't heard him address this issue.
I don't know of many people who are better off economically since he has taken office except for brooklyn bad boy. Smile
His legacy is the increase in the never ending wars in the Middle East, the rising number of innocent civilians killed by his drones, his invasion and destruction of Libya and Syria. The millions of refugees because he and his side kick Hillary destroyed their country.The increase in violence in Honduras because he failed to call the take over of the government a coup.
He has locked up and then deported more people than Bush did including the children he sent back to Hondorus, many who have been killed.
His legacy the ACA may have given more people health 'insurance' but they have seen their premiums rise higher than their mortgage payments and have such high deductibles that they still can't afford to see their doctors if they either accept their plans or even in their networks.
And his final legacy is going to be the treasonous TPP which will offshore more jobs.
Sadly, he came into office with one of the highest mandates ever and instead of doing the great things that he campaigned on, he put the same people who were responsible for the global economic crisis back in charge of his economic policies and watched while millions of people continued to lose their homes while his justice department did nothing to help them.
And I will leave with this statement from Hillary that shows how out of touch she is with voters.
Can she be any more clueless?

"When I hear folks saying they're not inspired this this election, I disagree. I am inspired," she said, urging the crowd to register to vote and actually cast ballots for Clinton.

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and Obama was the one who had the federal government coordinate attacks on the peaceful Occupy demonstrators which is
contrary to American tradition.

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"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"

see bonus army.

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Solidarity forever

Out of all of the weapons of war issued for police use on American citizens exercising their right of peaceful protest, didn't they at least rescind the grenades and the bayonets due to 'optics'? At least they threw the public another bone to keep them quiet until it's too late.

Sucks when some of that 'right-wing nuttery' we used to laugh at turns out to be reality-based, even if distorted for propaganda purposes by the then-Republican-funding/owning-PTB opposing the Dem-funding/owning PTB, both intent on exclusive global domination... and now they've apparently gotten together for purposes of Trojan Horse 'trade deal' global take-over.

They'll squabble over the corpse later.

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

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"Love One Another" ~ George Harrison

If I can add to the lists started above:

Sad Not one banker in prison
Sad Not one war criminal even brought to trial
Sad Zero repeal of the war on drugs
Sad privatization of our public schools
Sad Zero support for unions
Sad TPP
Sad Proposed cuts to Social Security
Sad Persecution of whistleblowers: Manning, Assange, Snowden just to name a few
Sad Single-handedly resurrecting the GOP after Bush/Cheney destroyed it.
Sad Totally pissing away a majority and mandate

I know there are more that none of us have listed. I just can't think of them this minute.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

flipped over to Republicans. Did I miss Obama trying to energize the Democratic Party at the state level to reverse this? Doesn't he remember(or care) about the gerrymandering that took place after his performance resulted in the 2010 debacle?

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"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"

https://www.stpete4peace.org/obama-fact-sheet

Few examples..."

Put boots on the ground in Syria , despite 16 times saying "no boots on the ground".
Despite campaign pledges, planned a $1 trillion progam to add more nuclear weapons to the US arsenal in the next 30 years.
Started a new war on terror - this one on ISIS .
Dropped bombs in 7 Muslim countries; and then bragged about it .
Said, “I believe in American exceptionalism with every fiber of my being.”
Bragged about his use of drones - I'm "really good at killing people".
Deported a modern-record 2 million immigrants.
Signed the Monsanto Protection Act into law.
Started a new war in Iraq .
Initiated, and personally oversees a 'Secret Kill List'.
Pushed for war on Syria while siding with al-Qaeda .
Backed neo-Nazis in Ukraine.
Supported Israel's wars and occupation of Palestine.
Deployed Special Ops to 134 countries - compared to 60 under Bush.
Did a TV commercial promoting "clean coal".
Drastically escalated the NSA spying program .
Signed the NDAA into law - making it legal to assassinate Americans w/o charge or trial.
Given Bush absolute immunity for everything.
Pushed for a TPP Trade Pact .
Signed more executive memoranda than any other president in history.
Sold $30 billion of weapons to the dictatorship in Saudi Arabia.
Signed an agreement for 7 military bases in Colombia .
Opened a military base in Chile.
Touted nuclear power , even after the disaster in Japan.
Opened up deepwater oil drilling, even after the BP disaster.
Mandated the Insider Threat Program which orders federal employees to report suspicious actions of their colleagues.
Defended body scans and pat-downs at airports.
Signed the Patriot Act extension into law.
Launched 20,000 Airstrikes in his first term.
Continued Bush's rendition program.
Said the U.S. is the "one indispensable nation" in the world.
Waged war on Libya without congressional approval.
Started a covert, drone war in Yemen.
Escalated the proxy war in Somalia.
Escalated the CIA drone war in Pakistan.
Sharply escalated the war in Afghanistan.
Repealed the Propaganda ban, making it legal to spread government propaganda via news outlets.
Assassinated 4 US citizens with drone strikes.

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Obama has sold 115 BILLION dollars in military equipment to Saudi Arabia.

So the list above has NOT been updated.

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He has been such a disappointment after the things he campaigned on, yet some people think that he has been the best president since FDR.
But these are the people who say that he has ended two wars and hasn't started any new ones.
How can people be so willfully blind to what he has done?
And people are still supporting the TPP because it is Obama who wants it and they trust him.

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He sounds like an asshole. Only a bully does these things.

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Yeah, well, bbb seemed to be OK with Hillary stating that a mayor known to have helped cover up police murders of Black people was fit to retain his public office, so... I'm going to stop here before the swearing takes over and soak up some coffee despite physically feeling rather like puking.

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

Clinton allegedly has 98% of the AA vote now, if the polls are to be believed. The few Black coworkers with whom I can converse about politics are With Her (while the majority of the White coworkers are for Trump). For the Clinton campaign to push Barry into such a statement only tells me that the confidence level in Blacks showing up to vote is weak. But then, putting myself into Barry's shoes for a moment, if I were Black I wouldn't see much of a legacy to save. Rampant killings by cops and a disproportionate Black male prison population alone would make me question if I was being played.

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Vowing To Oppose Everything Trump Attempts.

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They fired the other three. But, one listens to Rush, and adores Trump. The other is With Her. Approximately 90% are Hispanic, and only one that I know of is very vocal about hating Trump, but since his driver's license is suspended, I don't know if he will actually vote. All the others are very young, and I doubt they will vote. Oh, except the almost 60 yr old woman avid gun range user who bragged about getting out of her car during a road rage incident. Sounds like a Trump fan to me, but I try not to talk to her at all, so don't know where she stands or if she votes.

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That had enthusiastic support among A-As for Hillary had dropped from 70% to 60%.

90-something percent voting for her isn't enough. She has to have high enough turnout to offset republicans traditional lead with white votes.

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Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

than the traditional lead with white votes. A lot more.

But I don't know why they're fussed. They can just fix the results.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

To pull that off.

But most of the swing states are controlled by republicans (fun facts: dems have list 913 seats in state legislatures since 2010. In 23 of the state's, republicans control the governorship, and both chambers of the legislature), also making it harder for her to cheat. Oh, and let's not forget all the dem voters that have been purged from the rolls.

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Oh, and let's not forget all the dem voters that have been purged from the rolls.

That's called "cutting off your nose to spite your face".

Thanks for the reminder!

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Ask yourself, would you ever reregister as a Dem after knowing the DNC tossed you off the rolls for Hillary?

A lot of those cut were Millennials. Talk about eating your seed corn.

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The purges in Ohio, nc, etc. but yes, Hillary did her share of purging to ensure she'd win the primaries, so fuck her.

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[video:https://youtu.be/OcJqjgB4tyQ align:center]

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C99, my refuge from an insane world. #ForceTheVote

does not want us to see and hear the content here on C99% and other sites unless we "pay" for our view through YouTube.

I don't know if it's more about the money or controlling the message and the company it keeps. Either way, I'm not buying.

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Capitalism is the extraordinary belief that the nastiest of men for the nastiest of motives will somehow work for the benefit of all."
- John Maynard Keynes

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

Drat, I'm trying to set up for a Youtube boycott following Google's announcement that it would be demonetizing anything on Youtube to which its corporate advertisers objected - corporations therefore taking the first step of removing the actual news which we'll never see on already-censored corporate media in a reversal of the manner in which the Rush propaganda mill was protested by people by having commercial support removed via threatening boycotts of products relating to any even indirect/unknowing support of Rush and his highly lucrative disinformation machine.

If we don't strongly protest internet censorship where it begins, they'll understand that we will accept anything they do to us, through any orifice they choose.

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That video you embedded had been set "no embeds" by its creator/owner.

You might want to check that before embedding.

Smile

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"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

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Thanks for sharing. I found that interview deeply touching to me as a Christian. It also explains the ambivalence over Obama's accomplishments and if he's really there or not for the downtrodden black.

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I mean, Black voters over 45; obviously many Black voters under 45 have been having doubts already.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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There may not be much change in the over 45 AA voters, but the under 45 group may not be falling in line as expected. Plan A is the Bernie voters falling in line, Plan B is to make Plan A work.

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"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone

Her problem is her turnout numbers are going to stink. She knows she has to be winning by enough to absorb that.

Make no mistake, just like the anti third party push, this is them panicking about turnout of under 35s.

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isn't still a good number for her--that means, has to mean, that some Black supporters over 45 have become less supportive of Hillary.

That would make Hillary's machine, and her backers, uneasy. It will make their upcoming expanded race war more difficult.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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The focus groups and interviews with young black activists suggest many of them are not aware of Mrs. Clinton’s plans regarding police conduct, mass incarceration and structural racism broadly.

There will be no change in police murders, no change in racially tainted tough sentencing for non-violent crime, no change in the income inequality that hits all citizens but more so the black. What has Obama done about any of this. N.O.T.H.I.N.G.

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This election has gone all weird.

My mum (in her mid-60's) has decided to opt out of the election. After initially being all about HRC. The primary, the email scandal, and the convention stuff kind of pissed her off, as well as the fact that things have gotten so bad that a guy like Trump is still in it has her saying, "I'm done--this is ridiculous. They're both horrible." She's not going to vote at all. I couldn't even convince her to at least try to vote down ballot.

My younger brother has gone quasi-Libertarian. He works in finance. Spent too much time hanging out with those yahoos, reading too many Freakonomics books, and too much Friedman. He's been trying to convince me to vote for Gary Johnson, listen to the Dave Rubin Show on YouTube, and read Libertarian websites. He even tried to do the whole "Leftists and Libertarians share some of the same views" argument.

Yeah, this election is jacked.

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TPTB wanted Shillary as President in the worst way, they took the worst (within Constitutional limitations) way, and now it looks as though they may not even get what they want. Tough noogies, you bastards.

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There is no justice. There can be no peace.

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that I've never been in the majority so much as I am now--most everybody, no matter their other views, seems to share your mom's opinion about the election. (Though I do find some genuine--I think--supporters of Trump here and there).

The stench off the election of corruption and lies and contempt for the little guy has gotten so extreme that people are pulling away in disgust.

Sorry to hear about your brother--I can see that it's seductive to think that one's own individual abilities, esp talent with money, can solve everything if only corrupt politicians would get out of the way. Too bad that's ultimately a poisoned apple.

Leftists and libertarians do share one set of views: we both hate tyranny coming from the public sector.
Leftists just also hate tyranny coming from the private sector, and can see when the dividing line between private and public has become meaningless.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

gulfgal98's picture

who has always been politically aware and was originally for Hillary Clinton is now talking about voting third party. I told her I do not care who she eventually votes for as long as it is neither Clinton nor Trump. She told me recently that she cannot justify voting for either Hillary or Trump. I think Clinton is bleeding a lot of voters like cybrestrike's mother and my mother who should have been a part of her natural coalition.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

at the convention that turned your mom off?

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Solidarity forever

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and so is her machine/supporters

and there's been way WAY too much lying, done way WAY too obviously

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

TheOtherMaven's picture

First Officer Korax, "The Trouble with Tribbles".

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Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

awfully similar tastes!

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

cybrestrike's picture

She's not a fan of war. Especially since I was a soldier and she spent my 10 years in the boots worrying about me while I was deployed.

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isn't establishing Obama's legacy, well, Obama's business?

And how do you insult a legacy?

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

gulfgal98's picture

made me laugh out loud.

BTW, I keep seeing a common theme in the latest push by Clinton and her surrogates. They continue to insult voters of nearly every stripe, except the corporatists. I said a long time ago and it still stands, Hillary Clinton has never given voters any reason to vote for her, only against her opponent.

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“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

featheredsprite's picture

That made him look so stupid, people started looking for other stupid decisions he's made.

What the hell do the Clintons have on him? He won't be running for office again, he will have a nice retirement package, he writes well and his books sell. What difference does it make if he's not quite the Virgin Mary?

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Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

people hate and distrust. 300 million people in this country; I think they could find someone to shill for them who isn't hated.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

ggersh's picture

saw this in the comment section at NC
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2016/09/links-91716.html

Is hate becoming the new norm, it sure seems that way for hillery and co.

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I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish

"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"

Heard from Margaret Kimberley

Sun, 09/18/2016 - 1:17pm — ggersh

Regarding "hate"

saw this in the comment section at NC
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2016/09/links-91716.html

Is hate becoming the new norm, it sure seems that way for hillery and co.

Thanks, so far I've followed several other links on the page you linked to, including this (below) which, speaking of propagandists/the media, seems pertinent.

At least a vague and general understanding of basic principles and mechanisms is required to understand anything sufficiently well to discover whether a claim seems plausible or not. Although even using the root word, ergo, I still had to look up ergodicity to discover its meaning here as a specialized term, lol, so knowing that there are virtually endless fields and circumstances where even the familiar may carry different connotations and that it's better to check than to assume (speaking as one lately often lacking the energy for even basic research/verification, lol,) is all-important as well.

As with character and record being essential considerations when determining what a person is likely capable of, especially when offered a 'choice' of 2 pathological corporate/billionaire candidates and being carefully stampeded into voting against the only non-corporate, non-TPP-supporting candidate currently running, Jill Stein - on the claim that 'she can't win', when Indies form the largest voting group - in voting for evil 'to keep the other evil out of public office' when neither could be considered fit by any sane standards.

Hillary wants to give ruthless and destructive billionaires/corporations - including the fossil fuel polluters and Monsanto and other petrochemical/GMO self-interests - the 'right' to exert 'law' regulating humanity and what can be done to life on the planet (while any still remains) while Trump doesn't understand or believe in science or, apparently, anything other than the urge to increase his own wealth, power, and ego via 'deal-making', bullying, lying and cheating, so would likely go with the corporate coup, as would, ironically, would the 'Libertarian' candidate being promoted as higher in suspect polls than the non-corporate Green candidate, Jill Stein. So Trump and the Clintons are much the same and similar rapidly fatal global effects could be expected, although Trump seems more likely, at this point at least, (not being Teflon in the same manner as the Clinton's at this point,) to sue or imprison those he disagrees with or has a grudge against than to immediately start bombing individuals, so to speak.

Once in the Presidency, with a precedent made of (unconstitutional) claims of being 'above the law' (as no one in any democracy can claim to be,) all bets are off. Corruption festers rapidly where immunity permits it to flourish.

For any others like myself not versed in such technical terminology, lol, the (simplified and as could be expected,) definition is, ergo:

Ergodicity
In mathematics, the term ergodic is used to describe a dynamical system which, broadly speaking, has the same behavior averaged over time as averaged over the space of all the system's states. In physics the term is used to imply that a system satisfies the ergodic hypothesis of thermodynamics.
More at Wikipedia

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2016/09/links-91716.html

The Intellectual Yet Idiot Nassim Nicholas Taleb, Medium. I was worried I might be in this category, even though I do know what ergodicity means (see ECONNED for proof) but I am saved by his closing “easier marker”.

Not me, though, drat it...

https://medium.com/@nntaleb/the-intellectual-yet-idiot-13211e2d0577#.zdj...

Nassim Nicholas Taleb
2 days ago6 min read

The Intellectual Yet Idiot

What we have been seeing worldwide, from India to the UK to the US, is the rebellion against the inner circle of no-skin-in-the-game policymaking “clerks” and journalists-insiders, that class of paternalistic semi-intellectual experts with some Ivy league, Oxford-Cambridge, or similar label-driven education who are telling the rest of us 1) what to do, 2) what to eat, 3) how to speak, 4) how to think… and 5) who to vote for.
But the problem is the one-eyed following the blind...

...Beware the semi-erudite who thinks he is an erudite. He fails to naturally detect sophistry.
The IYI pathologizes others for doing things he doesn’t understand without ever realizing it is his understanding that may be limited. He thinks people should act according to their best interests and he knows their interests, particularly if they are “red necks” or English non-crisp-vowel class who voted for Brexit. When plebeians do something that makes sense to them, but not to him, the IYI uses the term “uneducated”. What we generally call participation in the political process, he calls by two distinct designations: “democracy” when it fits the IYI, and “populism” when the plebeians dare voting in a way that contradicts his preferences. While rich people believe in one tax dollar one vote, more humanistic ones in one man one vote, Monsanto in one lobbyist one vote, the IYI believes in one Ivy League degree one-vote, with some equivalence for foreign elite schools and PhDs as these are needed in the club. ...

...More socially, the IYI subscribes to The New Yorker. He never curses on twitter. He speaks of “equality of races” and “economic equality” but never went out drinking with a minority cab driver (again, no real skin in the game as the concept is foreign to the IYI). Those in the U.K. have been taken for a ride by Tony Blair. The modern IYI has attended more than one TEDx talks in person or watched more than two TED talks on Youtube. Not only will he vote for Hillary Monsanto-Malmaison because she seems electable and some such circular reasoning, but holds that anyone who doesn’t do so is mentally ill.
The IYI has a copy of the first hardback edition of The Black Swan on his shelves, but mistakes absence of evidence for evidence of absence. He believes that GMOs are “science”, that the “technology” is not different from conventional breeding as a result of his readiness to confuse science with scientism.
Typically, the IYI get the first order logic right, but not second-order (or higher) effects making him totally incompetent in complex domains. In the comfort of his suburban home with 2-car garage, he advocated the “removal” of Gadhafi because he was “a dictator”, not realizing that removals have consequences (recall that he has no skin in the game and doesn’t pay for results). ...
...The IYI is member of a club to get traveling privileges...

...Postscript

The IYI thinks this criticism of IYIs means “everybody is an idiot”, not realizing that their group represents, as we said, a tiny minority —but they don’t like their sense of entitlement to be challenged and although they treat the rest of humans as inferiors, they don’t like it when the waterhose is turned to the opposite direction (what the French call aroseur arosé). (For instance, Richard Thaler, partner of the dangerous GMO advocate Übernudger Cass Sunstein, interpreted this piece as saying that “there are not many non-idiots not called Taleb”, not realizing that people like him are 1% or even .1% of the population.)

(Had to remove a symbol in the PS which prevented the end of the sentence from posting, one I can't replicate without this recurring and can't think of the term for.)

Also the following link - please read in full at source if at all possible. (Bolding mine.)

Fossil fuels are, of course, the result of profound changes occurring to originally organic matter compressed under great pressure in an oxygen-free environment.

In somewhat (sorta, roughly, overall, loosely speaking, lol,) the same manner as the human body taking up similarly formed chemicals not normally naturally consumed to, in some cases, pass up later utilizing real-deal, actually useful nutrients under the impression that it already has enough of those, it's hardly surprising that fast-evolving synthetic bacteria designed to consume fossil fuel oil should adapt to the consumption of living organic material when starved of oil.

What are these mutants doing to organisms and fertilizing matter in the soil itself, I wonder... and what will the pissing-in-their-shared-well oligarchs do with their released-for-profit Homing-Pigeons-Of-Doom destroying the global life-support system so much faster than otherwise anticipated - barring Hillary's Mutual Assured Destruction, of course, which anyway seems likely even if a Dem proxy or anyone other than Bernie/Jill gets into the Presidency.

Such hazards are readily predictable and, in fact, the potential issues of GMO organisms being released into the environment were predicted...

http://journal-neo.org/2016/09/14/cynthia-the-flesh-eating-s/

Cynthia: Flesh-Eating Synthetic Bacteria that has Gone Wild

The reports about tests on human beings that are being routinely carried out by certain Western corporations have become a sort of a trend these days.

Among others, one can recall the story about the long struggle between civil authorities of various states and the US chemical giant Monsanto provoked by research in the potential dangers of GMO products, and the Monsanto-produced herbicide Roundup in particular. The actual damage inflicted on the agricultural business of various states is yet to be carefully assessed, but even at this stage it safe to say that Monsanto’s expansion into India and surrounding markets resulted in deaths of thousands of people.

However, in the nearest future, the planet could face yet another “monster” that was bred deep inside US corporate laboratories. We are talking about the first synthetic bacteria – Cynthia, created “to combat oil pollution in the Gulf of Mexico” which, according to the various reports that are often ignored by the corporate media, has mutated and has started attacking animals and humans. Now this highly lethal microorganism is on its way to Europe.

One could recall that back in April 2010 an explosion at a British Petroleum oil rig resulted in millions of barrels of oil contaminating the Gulf of Mexico. Despite the drastic measures taken to prevent an environmental catastrophe, an oil slick produced by the Deepwater Horizon oil spill covered over sixty thousand square miles.

As one of the means of addressing the environmental catastrophe on their hands, Washington decided to take drastic measures, regardless of the possible consequences of those actions. It was at that time when an artificially created microorganism nicknamed Cynthia was unleashed, without any kind of examination of the possible threat it may pose to the environment.

Cynthia is the brainchild of the J. Craig Venter Institute — which was engaged in genetic engineering experiments since the beginning of the 21st century — and Synthetic Genomics Inc, and was created and funded directly by BP. It was believed that Cynthia feeds on oil, but it turns out now that it is equally willing to consume all forms of organic life as well…

In 2011, Cynthia was unleashed in the Gulf of Mexico and in its initial stages of life it was absorbing oil slicks at breathtaking speed. In January, 2011 the Register reported that scientists were particularly impressed by the speed with which the bacteria was eating up its “meal”.

But then this bacteria mutated and soon was feeding on organic lifeforms. Strange reports started coming from the US, like five thousand birds falling victims of an “unknown disease” in Arkansas, or more that a hundred thousand dead fish found off the coast of north Louisiana. It was also reported that a total of 128 British Petroleum employees that participated in the liquidation of the oil slick were struck by some mysterious illness. According to various sources they were forbidden to seek relief in public hospitals, to prevent them from talking to anyone about what has happened to them…

Soon it was recorded that the disease and the symptoms that are now associated with the coastal zone of the Gulf of Mexico began spreading to the continental United States – for example, people who were caught by heavy rains that came from the Gulf of Mexico were also exposed to it.

In fact, such disturbing reports have become pretty common, in spite of the restrictive measures taken by the US government to prevent this information from spreading. In particular, it’s been reported that certain individuals who were unfortunate enough to take take a swim in the Gulf of Mexico often found themselves covered with itching sores only to die in agony a few days later due to extensive internal bleeding.

According to media reports, a person can become Cynthia’s victim under two circumstances: if it penetrated the skin barrier through a wound or if they were unfortunate enough to eat raw seafood infected by this bacteria. Once the bacteria is in the system, it penetrates into the layer between the skin and muscles and starts producing a toxin that disrupts tissues. It is known that Cynthia is capable of reproducing itself rapidly within the infected cells, and that it is immune to antibiotics.

According to the University of the District of Columbia (UDC), up to 40% of the residents of the territories adjacent to the Gulf of Mexico have become infected with severe respiratory and skin diseases, and one in four residents is planning to pack up and leave in the nearest future.

Still, Washington has been pretty determined to mute these reports by announcing that the growing death toll can be attributed to some “unknown virus.”

At the same time, we’ve been witnessing disturbing reports that Cynthia has started spreading to different regions of the world, since the mass death of seals in Alaska, near the town of Barrow, was accompanied by skin lesions and extensive damage to internal organs of the deceased animals.

At the rate the bacteria is spreading together with the Gulf Stream, Europe is definitely at risk. ...

... This is a problem of global proportions. The signs of a possible bacterial viral infection are already beginning to appear everywhere.The mysterious, unexplained illness affecting fish, marine mammals, animals, poultry, trees, and plants arise from the synthetic genomes that transforms natural organisms and force them to mutate.

However, even at the initial stage of the test trials of Cynthia, many experts were vocal in stressing the danger of synthetically created living organisms. ...

... Many environmentalists and human rights activists on the back of those disturbing reports say that the US government is not prepared to regulate this revolutionary domain of science. An international civil society organization based in Ottawa, Canada known as the ETC Group has sounded the alarm, arguing that Venter opened a “Pandora’s box” and that an international moratorium on the development in the field of synthetic biology in private laboratories must be introduced immediately, since such research may pose a threat to all life on the planet. ...

... Under these circumstances, there’s an urgent need to force Washington into singing the Convention on the Prohibition of the Development, Production and Stockpiling of Bacteriological (Biological) and Toxin Weapons and on their Destruction that it blocked unilaterally in 2001. Moreover, there must be a verification mechanism that would guarantee that all the provisions of this convention are observed to the letter by all those who signed it.

Jean Périer is an independent researcher and analyst and a renowned expert on the Near and Middle East, exclusively for the online magazine “New Eastern Outlook”

It's do or die now, guys; although there may already be enough Anything For Extra Profit For The Right People damage in process to destroy life on the planet, there will be no restrictions on what can be done to us by The Right Greeds under corporate control. You're fighting with votes and political process not just for our lives, but for life itself.

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or maybe not, CYNTHIA is some scary shit.

"What we have been seeing worldwide, from India to the UK to the US, is the rebellion against the inner circle of no-skin-in-the-game policymaking “clerks” and journalists-insiders, that class of paternalistic semi-intellectual experts with some Ivy league, Oxford-Cambridge, or similar label-driven education who are telling the rest of us 1) what to do, 2) what to eat, 3) how to speak, 4) how to think… and 5) who to vote for.
But the problem is the one-eyed following the blind..."

Uintended consequences are never conceived in this modern era of the "best and brightest" of the Ivy League dominance of BS. As education
falters so does the rest of the country, I'm living proof. Wacko Wacko Wacko

BTW, NC has some great reads all the time.

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I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish

"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"

Heard from Margaret Kimberley

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those born Jewish

"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"

Heard from Margaret Kimberley

Sun, 09/18/2016 - 5:48am — CantStoptheSignal

Maybe they shouldn't have run a candidate

people hate and distrust. 300 million people in this country; I think they could find someone to shill for them who isn't hated.

They'll probably try that yet - we mustn't fall for it. Any Dem except Bernie is suspect, although I believe that he's going back to running as an Indie later anyway.

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political rainmaker on the globe. Too tantalizing a prospect to give up for thoroughly corrupt pols in the democratic party. They want to learn how to get some of that cash for themselves. Think about it: virtually all of Obama's administration were former Clinton lackeys.

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administration have been filled banksters, who pull the puppet strings, no?

[video:https://youtu.be/a47jsFV8VRU align:center]

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C99, my refuge from an insane world. #ForceTheVote

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

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Think about it: virtually all of Obama's administration were former Clinton lackeys.

Or out-and-out GOPpers.

Party Unity? My ass!

Diablo

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who made it to the Oval Office, let alone about the first African American to make it to the Oval Office, but (a) get over yourself; and (b) everything is not all about you.

I will consider it a personal insult -- an insult to my legacy -- if this community lets down its guard and fails to activate itself in this election.

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I'll happily insult his legacy whether or not I vote for Clinton. The highs and lows have already been well enumerated in this thread. The best thing he did may have been the ACA, but it's rapidly losing its first A. Only Jill is committed to universal healthcare, AFAIK.

The recession eased, but probably would have anyway. Had he somehow motivated Congress to do more with the stimulus, the change in the economy might have been dramatic. I don't blame him for Congress, but the fact is they wouldn't work with him and so he hasn't accomplished much.

So guess what, Mr. President? We're not impressed with your legacy.

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The ACA is an insurance bailout with a thin candy coating. That is already cracking.

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Nah, the best thing he did is the Iran agreement.

Actually, normalization of relations with Cuba ranks at least as high.

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you are aware are you not that he has kept the embargo and sanctions?

US Renews Sanctions and Keeps Blockade on Cuba
"...Cuba presented a report last week that claims the U.S. blockade on the island nation has cost it US$4.7 billion over the last year and US$753.7 billion over the last six decades.

Last year the U.N. General Assembly voted 191-2 to condemn the U.S. blockade of Cuba, with only the U.S. and Israel opposed. "
http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/US-Renews-Sanctions-and-Keeps-Bloc...

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As far as " normalization of relations with Cuba " goes
you are aware are you not that he has kept the embargo and sanctions?

That's not on Obama. The rather unconstitutional Helms-Burton Act prohibits the lifting of the economic sanctions unless and until CON-Gress acts to lift them on its own initiative. Another Clintonian gift that just keeps right on giving. The law was passed on March 9 and signed by Bill Clinton on March 12, 1996. The bill defied at least one Supreme Court decision wherein the Court found (correctly) that Congress, acting alone, cannot grant itself a legislative veto over powers the Constitution grants to the Executive Branch (such as the conduct of foreign policy).

To his rightful credit, Obama normalized everything he could without such co-operation from Re-Gress, which he knew he wasn't going to get in any case. And the main result of these changes is that we're further from going to war over Cuba than at any time before that I've seen in my 58 years. And that's a good thing......

Wikipedia on Helms-Burton

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"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

Isn't there something drastically wrong when anyone in public office passes illegal 'laws' which are not only not even challenged when defying a legitimate Supreme Court opinion but when these illegal 'laws' are upheld by another President? Doesn't the US Constitution set limits for public officials in protecting 'we, the people' from such lawlessness and tyranny within government and aren't public officials swearing to uphold the Constitution as they enter office?

The various checks and balances intended to exist within the US government cannot cede their powers (and I include the blanket passing of corporate coups, GMO organisms, etc. in this) to bypass such protections implanted to prevent such mass abuses as now occur in results. (Not that Congress necessarily does any good, rather than evil, but this cedes responsibilities they took on in accepting public office. Would that work in a job in the private sector, or would they be fired, as they should be, for supporting this?)

This is a major reason as to why the theatre pretending to be government is so appalling; what gets passed is what the donors/TPTB (and shouldn't be powers at all) while evidently coordinated corporate/billionaire-serving ploys are enacted in Congress and the Senate to fool the citizens into thinking that someone's fighting for them, (between their President/Representatives, all of such offices existing for, and paid by, the public to work for the public good,) rather than using their own government against them, apparently without wondering why their government almost invariably acts against the public interest and has to be begged not to kill/sell off the people/environment/public property (the latter, like the country and government, belonging to the public, not to whatever individuals happen at any time to be in public office created to maintain it) not quite so quickly for increased profits for The Right People.

The US Constitution may have been misinterpreted but it's still a good document overall - For FSM's sake, don't let anyone mess with it to potentially take out anything that benefits the public and rewrite it to suit themselves.

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it maybe just being a way of laying Cuba open to being despoiled by American business interests...

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I'm concerned about it maybe just being a way of laying Cuba open to being despoiled by American business interests...

The main reason I approve of it at all is that it takes us a step further away from getting into another fucking war over Cuba. In fact, we're now further away from such a war than we've been in my entire 58 years on this Planet. And that's a good thing.

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So guess what, Mr. President? We're not impressed with your legacy.

Add to that:

Those of us who are older than Millennials are highly unlikely to see another person of color in the Oval Office ever again. Especially Silents and Boomers; by the time another POC gets into the Oval Office, all or nearly all such Americans will have died of old age. GenX and GenY'ers might live to see it, but they won't be of working age. And if Her Heinous gets elected, the generations older than Millennials can pretty much count on the Presidency to remain a "sausage fest" until they are all dead from old age, too.

Sad

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In 8 years, won't it be Michelle Obama's "turn"?

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own sloppiness, he was the first Democratic politician to publicly characterize as "entitlements" social safety nets and Old Age and Disability Insurance, something for which workers pay throughout their employment careers; he was the first Democratic President or President Elect to say that entitlements needed "reform" (you know, like Bill Clinton said welfare needed "reform") the first Democratic President to put OASDI and Medicare on the table (but settle for the sequester, suggested by Sperling, a member of the Obama White House); the first Democratic President who himself, together with his Chief of Staff and his Press Secretary, openly mocked liberals; the first Democratic President to refer to "my friends on the left," just like Republicans do, the first Democratic President to waffle on reproductive choice (some have been for, some, pre-Wade may have been against or silent, but none waffled); and so on.

First and foremost, he got elected the first African American President of the United States, a joint venture on the part of Obama, Axelrod, Plouffe and the PTB of the Democratic Party who urged him to run and who supported his attempts to send Hillary packing, subtlely before they did so openly. And I do not say this with any negative connotation. I was, and remain, overjoyed that someone broke the white (as far as we know) male streak, just as I am overjoyed, albeit in hindsight, that JFK broke the WASP male streak.

On the other hand: Obama was also the first President to mandate that health insurance companies cover pre-existing medical conditions and kids under 26 (or opt out of Obamacare entirely--which some of them have done); the first to abolish DADT and its various predecessors that discriminated against gays and to say publicly he had "evolved" back to his 1994 stance into supporting equal marriage (even if he did so mostly because gay bundlers, big donors who were gay individuals, gay fundraisers and gay organizations drew a "red line in the sand" as he turned to them for his re-election); the first to stop defending DOMA in court; and so on.

All our Presidents have been very mixed bags, including slave owner and serial adulterer, George Washington, with the possible exception of Lincoln, who was only a bit of a mixed bag. Then again, he was President during a unique time and historians have been very kind to him. FDR, idolized by the left, did some things that were far better than anything Obama has even come close to doing, but he also did things more horrific than anything Obama has even come close to doing.

Mostly, I've just had enough of New Democratic politicians, including the Clintons, Lieberman, Gore (who did his useful work only after leaving politics for good), DWS, and almost every Democrat currently holding office or trying to hold office soon.

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the reviews of Hillary's book Stronger Together on Amazon. They are hilarious, and provide a small window into why Obama and others might be going full-court press right now.

https://www.amazon.com/Stronger-Together-Hillary-Rodham-Clinton/product-...

Here's my favorite one:

1.0 out of 5 starsThis Is the Only Book You Should Read!
ByAmazon Customeron September 17, 2016
Format: Paperback
This book sucks, but if you don't buy it, it's just like buying Trump's book. That makes you a woman-hating, racist illiterate. Forget about the other books on Amazon - they are for kids, and the authors don't believe in vaccinations. Besides, none of them have 15% of sales, so clearly they don't have anything to offer - Amazon should just stop selling them.

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I can't stop reading them Smile

Also, Her Heiniousness is terrified at the millenials who are voting for Gary Johnson, or not bothering to vote.
Actually watched Chuck Turd this am, and the polls they showed are staggering. Make's ya wonder what their internals must be.

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Lol, a bunch of new ones since last night. Not all as witty as the original lot, but a great source of amusement - and showing what the overall and more accurate view of Her Royal Corporation really is.

Edit: was so amused that I somehow managed a spare 'the' - but rather than parse what the 'the' is, I've removed it.

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Stronger Together are talking about maybe getting killed because of writing a bad review. They are joking, but only just. They're talking about Seth Rich, too, and I don't think they're joking about that. If that's not the result of sockpuppetry, which I guess it could be, from the Trump side of things, that is *really interesting*.

It's generally hard for Americans to believe that people on high are murdering people who disagree w/them to get their way. Usually the mental furniture we've been given by our education and conditioning gets in the way.

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because I fear this is getting too close to hijacking:

1.0 out of 5 starsOne Star
ByRachelon September 17, 2016
Format: Paperback
Terrible - but don't blame the authors, blame the Russians.

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