Obama: Would be 'personal insult' to legacy if black voters don't back Clinton
Submitted by birdiemom87 on Sun, 09/18/2016 - 1:59am
http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/17/politics/obama-black-congressional-caucus/
I wonder if there's a floor for how low this guy will go. The Clintons must really have something good on him; he's looking a tad desperate. I don't know what else to say. You guys have a go at it.
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Speaking of desperate
Sounds like the Dems and Hillary campaign are getting desperate, if they're reduced to having POTUS emotionally blackmail people into voting for her. Even "Oh, no, Trump!" isn't working for them anymore.
"Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep."
~Rumi
"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone
Whatever she used to demand SoS,
it's still working.
There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.
Exactly. Also, the Democratic Party made Obama President.
He is not going to thumb his nose at the nominee. And, by supporting him so strongly in 2008 (after encouraging the PUMAs), the Clintons helped him get elected. He owes them all, big time.
He owes the voters that elected him big time..
He didn't and still doesn't give a horse's ass about that.
These people have no loyalty to anything but themselves and money. My guess is the Clintons are giving him big money and big connections. Add their corporate gig to his corporate gig, and it explains how this "public servant" can afford $22K/mo for a 9 bedroom mansion in DC. Besides, his little girls will be needing their own homes next door to Chelsea fairly soon.
I know Trump is a slime bucket, but hey, what else is new. Obama, Clintons and Dems beating him at his only claim to fame is twice as bad.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Making him President has or will also make him very, very
rich. Bill Clinton is a great example of that.
Media, from MTP to Samantha Bee, and Democratic pols, including the Clintons, are trying so very hard to sell us that Trump is so much worse than Hillary, so vote Hillary. I see them as equally bad, but Hillary as worse for the country long-term (or as long as global warming gives us).
She could give the Mob lessons
on how to give peeps unrefusable offers.
There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.
Obama must realize that in
Obama must realize that in very short order, there will be no-one much left alive to be horrified at his legacy if the Clintons return to the White House and begin that 'limited' nuclear 'war' for a nice round of Mutual Assured Destruction among several countries.
If the planet is simply enslaved by SoS Hillary-promoted 'trade deals' for unrestrained maximized anticipated profiteering and industrial poisoning until industrially/militarily polluted to death, the breathable air/oxygen and potable water will run out in merely short order, killing all surviving thus far - which won't include we who are mere disposable non-billionaire corporate serfs.
But if I had any residual grain of respect for Obama remaining, this would have vaporized it...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
He lost me a long time ago
No fucks left to give:
Rahm Emmanuel
Tim Geithner
Merrick Garland
Accepting a completely undeserved Nobel Peace Prize
Drawing a "red line" and then cowardly backing down.
Going wild using drones.
Collateral damage, of course doesn't matter, he's a Nobel Peace Price Winner!
Alllowing the Clintons to destroy Haiti https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNM4kEUEcp8
Selling out OUR HEALTH CARE to Joe Lieberman, Max Baucus and BIG PHARMA
No government negotiation for Medicare drugs with Big Pharma - WE LOOSE AGAIN!
Thought he was funny at Correspondent's Dinner making fun of Donald Trump - who's laughing now?
How DARE you, the President of the United States BLACK MAIL citizens of this country.
HOW THE FUCK DARE YOU!!!!!
Agreed. Can I add Duncan, Vilsack, Holder, Lynch, & Kerry?
"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"
Caerus, he had to back down on the red line
If you are talking about him not invading Syria after he said that Assad had used sarin gas on his own people.
The UK proved that the gas used couldn't have come from Assad and then the truth came out who actually used the sarin gas.
It was the us by proxy of its moderate terrorists.
What was happening at the Benghazi embassy was that the CIA was taking Gaddafi's weapons our of it and giving them to the US backed terrorist including the sarin gas.
It has been proven that it was our terrorist that used the gas on the Syrians in order to give the US a reason to invade Syria.
I am not sure that I understand what you mean, did you want Obama to start bombing another country in the middle east on false pretenses?
He "backed down" because he and Biden got caught
lying their asses off and knew they couldn't pull it off.
snoopydawg & Bil Al
I wanted him to be smart enough to keep his mouth shut, Biden too.
Once again, the CIA does damage.
Ok, that makes sense
I wasn't sure what you meant as I mentioned.
Yep, once again the CIA is in the thick of it.
Did you have a chance to read RFK's article yet?
I love the way he wrote about the history of how the CIA has been messing in other countries since they were created.
Funny how that wouldn't be tolerated here if anyone messed with our government.
Unless that's what happened in 63.
Talbot's book is pretty eye opening alright
A 63 coup explains the MIC budget since. Makes sense of a lot of stuff.
I agree with Caerus.
It was something he should never have said in the first place.
The Sarin shells had serial #s visible...
Shortly thereafter, the Russians said Soviet archives showed that the shell could have been been sold to Libya (but not Syria) in the late 60's.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
selling out our health care
Thank you for not forgetting Max Baucus of Montana. I don't want anybody to forget the main legacy of that particular product of unnatural acts with sheep......
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Wow he certainly is arrogant isn't he?
As of yesterday there has been 762 people in this country who have been killed by the police.
Since Trayvon Martin was murdered by Zimmerman I haven't heard Obama speak once about the increasing killings of unarmed blacks.
Tamir Rice could have been his son too, as well as the young boy that was killed yesterday in Ohio which is an open carry state and the boy had a bad gun.
The poverty level of blacks has increased since he became president and I haven't heard him address this issue.
I don't know of many people who are better off economically since he has taken office except for brooklyn bad boy.
His legacy is the increase in the never ending wars in the Middle East, the rising number of innocent civilians killed by his drones, his invasion and destruction of Libya and Syria. The millions of refugees because he and his side kick Hillary destroyed their country.The increase in violence in Honduras because he failed to call the take over of the government a coup.
He has locked up and then deported more people than Bush did including the children he sent back to Hondorus, many who have been killed.
His legacy the ACA may have given more people health 'insurance' but they have seen their premiums rise higher than their mortgage payments and have such high deductibles that they still can't afford to see their doctors if they either accept their plans or even in their networks.
And his final legacy is going to be the treasonous TPP which will offshore more jobs.
Sadly, he came into office with one of the highest mandates ever and instead of doing the great things that he campaigned on, he put the same people who were responsible for the global economic crisis back in charge of his economic policies and watched while millions of people continued to lose their homes while his justice department did nothing to help them.
And I will leave with this statement from Hillary that shows how out of touch she is with voters.
Can she be any more clueless?
Good point. The militarization of local police continues apace
and Obama was the one who had the federal government coordinate attacks on the peaceful Occupy demonstrators which is
contrary to American tradition.
"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"
Not contary at all.
see bonus army.
Solidarity forever
Out of all of the weapons of
Out of all of the weapons of war issued for police use on American citizens exercising their right of peaceful protest, didn't they at least rescind the grenades and the bayonets due to 'optics'? At least they threw the public another bone to keep them quiet until it's too late.
Sucks when some of that 'right-wing nuttery' we used to laugh at turns out to be reality-based, even if distorted for propaganda purposes by the then-Republican-funding/owning-PTB opposing the Dem-funding/owning PTB, both intent on exclusive global domination... and now they've apparently gotten together for purposes of Trojan Horse 'trade deal' global take-over.
They'll squabble over the corpse later.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Excellent points dear Snoopy, thanks you! nt
"Love One Another" ~ George Harrison
Oh, let me count the way he betrayed his voters....
If I can add to the lists started above:
Not one banker in prison
Not one war criminal even brought to trial
Zero repeal of the war on drugs
privatization of our public schools
Zero support for unions
TPP
Proposed cuts to Social Security
Persecution of whistleblowers: Manning, Assange, Snowden just to name a few
Single-handedly resurrecting the GOP after Bush/Cheney destroyed it.
Totally pissing away a majority and mandate
I know there are more that none of us have listed. I just can't think of them this minute.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Good list. Since 2010, over 900 seats in state legislatures have
flipped over to Republicans. Did I miss Obama trying to energize the Democratic Party at the state level to reverse this? Doesn't he remember(or care) about the gerrymandering that took place after his performance resulted in the 2010 debacle?
"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"
Here is a very comprehensive list on Obama
https://www.stpete4peace.org/obama-fact-sheet
Few examples..."
Put boots on the ground in Syria , despite 16 times saying "no boots on the ground".
Despite campaign pledges, planned a $1 trillion progam to add more nuclear weapons to the US arsenal in the next 30 years.
Started a new war on terror - this one on ISIS .
Dropped bombs in 7 Muslim countries; and then bragged about it .
Said, “I believe in American exceptionalism with every fiber of my being.”
Bragged about his use of drones - I'm "really good at killing people".
Deported a modern-record 2 million immigrants.
Signed the Monsanto Protection Act into law.
Started a new war in Iraq .
Initiated, and personally oversees a 'Secret Kill List'.
Pushed for war on Syria while siding with al-Qaeda .
Backed neo-Nazis in Ukraine.
Supported Israel's wars and occupation of Palestine.
Deployed Special Ops to 134 countries - compared to 60 under Bush.
Did a TV commercial promoting "clean coal".
Drastically escalated the NSA spying program .
Signed the NDAA into law - making it legal to assassinate Americans w/o charge or trial.
Given Bush absolute immunity for everything.
Pushed for a TPP Trade Pact .
Signed more executive memoranda than any other president in history.
Sold $30 billion of weapons to the dictatorship in Saudi Arabia.
Signed an agreement for 7 military bases in Colombia .
Opened a military base in Chile.
Touted nuclear power , even after the disaster in Japan.
Opened up deepwater oil drilling, even after the BP disaster.
Mandated the Insider Threat Program which orders federal employees to report suspicious actions of their colleagues.
Defended body scans and pat-downs at airports.
Signed the Patriot Act extension into law.
Launched 20,000 Airstrikes in his first term.
Continued Bush's rendition program.
Said the U.S. is the "one indispensable nation" in the world.
Waged war on Libya without congressional approval.
Started a covert, drone war in Yemen.
Escalated the proxy war in Somalia.
Escalated the CIA drone war in Pakistan.
Sharply escalated the war in Afghanistan.
Repealed the Propaganda ban, making it legal to spread government propaganda via news outlets.
Assassinated 4 US citizens with drone strikes.
An update on one item
Obama has sold 115 BILLION dollars in military equipment to Saudi Arabia.
So the list above has NOT been updated.
Great list, aliasalias.
He has been such a disappointment after the things he campaigned on, yet some people think that he has been the best president since FDR.
But these are the people who say that he has ended two wars and hasn't started any new ones.
How can people be so willfully blind to what he has done?
And people are still supporting the TPP because it is Obama who wants it and they trust him.
Worse than a disappointment
He sounds like an asshole. Only a bully does these things.
Yeah, well, bbb seemed to be
Yeah, well, bbb seemed to be OK with Hillary stating that a mayor known to have helped cover up police murders of Black people was fit to retain his public office, so... I'm going to stop here before the swearing takes over and soak up some coffee despite physically feeling rather like puking.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
That support must be soft
Clinton allegedly has 98% of the AA vote now, if the polls are to be believed. The few Black coworkers with whom I can converse about politics are With Her (while the majority of the White coworkers are for Trump). For the Clinton campaign to push Barry into such a statement only tells me that the confidence level in Blacks showing up to vote is weak. But then, putting myself into Barry's shoes for a moment, if I were Black I wouldn't see much of a legacy to save. Rampant killings by cops and a disproportionate Black male prison population alone would make me question if I was being played.
Vowing To Oppose Everything Trump Attempts.
2 AAs left at work
They fired the other three. But, one listens to Rush, and adores Trump. The other is With Her. Approximately 90% are Hispanic, and only one that I know of is very vocal about hating Trump, but since his driver's license is suspended, I don't know if he will actually vote. All the others are very young, and I doubt they will vote. Oh, except the almost 60 yr old woman avid gun range user who bragged about getting out of her car during a road rage incident. Sounds like a Trump fan to me, but I try not to talk to her at all, so don't know where she stands or if she votes.
I believe it was the CNN poll this week
That had enthusiastic support among A-As for Hillary had dropped from 70% to 60%.
90-something percent voting for her isn't enough. She has to have high enough turnout to offset republicans traditional lead with white votes.
She's got more problems
than the traditional lead with white votes. A lot more.
But I don't know why they're fussed. They can just fix the results.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
The polls have to be reasonably close
To pull that off.
But most of the swing states are controlled by republicans (fun facts: dems have list 913 seats in state legislatures since 2010. In 23 of the state's, republicans control the governorship, and both chambers of the legislature), also making it harder for her to cheat. Oh, and let's not forget all the dem voters that have been purged from the rolls.
I'd laugh if I weren't so sad:
That's called "cutting off your nose to spite your face".
Thanks for the reminder!
Ones they'll never get back.
Ask yourself, would you ever reregister as a Dem after knowing the DNC tossed you off the rolls for Hillary?
A lot of those cut were Millennials. Talk about eating your seed corn.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
I was actually referring to
The purges in Ohio, nc, etc. but yes, Hillary did her share of purging to ensure she'd win the primaries, so fuck her.
Well..
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C99, my refuge from an insane world. #ForceTheVote
So, it seems the "owner" of his video clip
does not want us to see and hear the content here on C99% and other sites unless we "pay" for our view through YouTube.
I don't know if it's more about the money or controlling the message and the company it keeps. Either way, I'm not buying.
“ …and when we destroy nature, we diminish our capacity to sense the divine,and understand who God is, and what our own potential is and duties are as human beings.- RFK jr. 8/26/2024
Click on the YouTube button to see the video (n/t)
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Drat, I'm trying to set up
Drat, I'm trying to set up for a Youtube boycott following Google's announcement that it would be demonetizing anything on Youtube to which its corporate advertisers objected - corporations therefore taking the first step of removing the actual news which we'll never see on already-censored corporate media in a reversal of the manner in which the Rush propaganda mill was protested by people by having commercial support removed via threatening boycotts of products relating to any even indirect/unknowing support of Rush and his highly lucrative disinformation machine.
If we don't strongly protest internet censorship where it begins, they'll understand that we will accept anything they do to us, through any orifice they choose.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
hey rooster.....
That video you embedded had been set "no embeds" by its creator/owner.
You might want to check that before embedding.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Excellent!
Thanks for sharing. I found that interview deeply touching to me as a Christian. It also explains the ambivalence over Obama's accomplishments and if he's really there or not for the downtrodden black.
Wow. She's dropping w/Black voters?
I mean, Black voters over 45; obviously many Black voters under 45 have been having doubts already.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I suspect that's the problem
There may not be much change in the over 45 AA voters, but the under 45 group may not be falling in line as expected. Plan A is the Bernie voters falling in line, Plan B is to make Plan A work.
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone
There's no enthusiasm from young people of any color
Her problem is her turnout numbers are going to stink. She knows she has to be winning by enough to absorb that.
Make no mistake, just like the anti third party push, this is them panicking about turnout of under 35s.
If 'very enthusiastic' has dropped to 60%--not that that
isn't still a good number for her--that means, has to mean, that some Black supporters over 45 have become less supportive of Hillary.
That would make Hillary's machine, and her backers, uneasy. It will make their upcoming expanded race war more difficult.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Early sep 16 ny times article
On young black voters not supporting her.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/05/us/politics/young-blacks-voice-skeptic...
If Clinton is Obama's third term:
There will be no change in police murders, no change in racially tainted tough sentencing for non-violent crime, no change in the income inequality that hits all citizens but more so the black. What has Obama done about any of this. N.O.T.H.I.N.G.
I can see that.
This election has gone all weird.
My mum (in her mid-60's) has decided to opt out of the election. After initially being all about HRC. The primary, the email scandal, and the convention stuff kind of pissed her off, as well as the fact that things have gotten so bad that a guy like Trump is still in it has her saying, "I'm done--this is ridiculous. They're both horrible." She's not going to vote at all. I couldn't even convince her to at least try to vote down ballot.
My younger brother has gone quasi-Libertarian. He works in finance. Spent too much time hanging out with those yahoos, reading too many Freakonomics books, and too much Friedman. He's been trying to convince me to vote for Gary Johnson, listen to the Dave Rubin Show on YouTube, and read Libertarian websites. He even tried to do the whole "Leftists and Libertarians share some of the same views" argument.
Yeah, this election is jacked.
And we have a damn good idea who jacked it
TPTB wanted Shillary as President in the worst way, they took the worst (within Constitutional limitations) way, and now it looks as though they may not even get what they want. Tough noogies, you bastards.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
I keep telling people
that I've never been in the majority so much as I am now--most everybody, no matter their other views, seems to share your mom's opinion about the election. (Though I do find some genuine--I think--supporters of Trump here and there).
The stench off the election of corruption and lies and contempt for the little guy has gotten so extreme that people are pulling away in disgust.
Sorry to hear about your brother--I can see that it's seductive to think that one's own individual abilities, esp talent with money, can solve everything if only corrupt politicians would get out of the way. Too bad that's ultimately a poisoned apple.
Leftists and libertarians do share one set of views: we both hate tyranny coming from the public sector.
Leftists just also hate tyranny coming from the private sector, and can see when the dividing line between private and public has become meaningless.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
My 94 year old mother
who has always been politically aware and was originally for Hillary Clinton is now talking about voting third party. I told her I do not care who she eventually votes for as long as it is neither Clinton nor Trump. She told me recently that she cannot justify voting for either Hillary or Trump. I think Clinton is bleeding a lot of voters like cybrestrike's mother and my mother who should have been a part of her natural coalition.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Was it the drum beat for war
at the convention that turned your mom off?
Solidarity forever
she's acting like a bully and a tin-plated dictator
and so is her machine/supporters
and there's been way WAY too much lying, done way WAY too obviously
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
That's "tin-plated dictator with delusions of godhood"
First Officer Korax, "The Trouble with Tribbles".
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
Nice catch--we have
awfully similar tastes!
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
The war mongering.
She's not a fan of war. Especially since I was a soldier and she spent my 10 years in the boots worrying about me while I was deployed.
Anyway--
isn't establishing Obama's legacy, well, Obama's business?
And how do you insult a legacy?
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
This comment
made me laugh out loud.
BTW, I keep seeing a common theme in the latest push by Clinton and her surrogates. They continue to insult voters of nearly every stripe, except the corporatists. I said a long time ago and it still stands, Hillary Clinton has never given voters any reason to vote for her, only against her opponent.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Obama destroyed his legacy when he backed Hillary and DWS.
That made him look so stupid, people started looking for other stupid decisions he's made.
What the hell do the Clintons have on him? He won't be running for office again, he will have a nice retirement package, he writes well and his books sell. What difference does it make if he's not quite the Virgin Mary?
Life is strong. I'm weak, but Life is strong.
Maybe they shouldn't have run a candidate
people hate and distrust. 300 million people in this country; I think they could find someone to shill for them who isn't hated.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Regarding "hate"
saw this in the comment section at NC
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2016/09/links-91716.html
Is hate becoming the new norm, it sure seems that way for hillery and co.
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
Sun, 09/18/2016 - 1:17pm —
Sun, 09/18/2016 - 1:17pm — ggersh
Thanks, so far I've followed several other links on the page you linked to, including this (below) which, speaking of propagandists/the media, seems pertinent.
At least a vague and general understanding of basic principles and mechanisms is required to understand anything sufficiently well to discover whether a claim seems plausible or not. Although even using the root word, ergo, I still had to look up ergodicity to discover its meaning here as a specialized term, lol, so knowing that there are virtually endless fields and circumstances where even the familiar may carry different connotations and that it's better to check than to assume (speaking as one lately often lacking the energy for even basic research/verification, lol,) is all-important as well.
As with character and record being essential considerations when determining what a person is likely capable of, especially when offered a 'choice' of 2 pathological corporate/billionaire candidates and being carefully stampeded into voting against the only non-corporate, non-TPP-supporting candidate currently running, Jill Stein - on the claim that 'she can't win', when Indies form the largest voting group - in voting for evil 'to keep the other evil out of public office' when neither could be considered fit by any sane standards.
Hillary wants to give ruthless and destructive billionaires/corporations - including the fossil fuel polluters and Monsanto and other petrochemical/GMO self-interests - the 'right' to exert 'law' regulating humanity and what can be done to life on the planet (while any still remains) while Trump doesn't understand or believe in science or, apparently, anything other than the urge to increase his own wealth, power, and ego via 'deal-making', bullying, lying and cheating, so would likely go with the corporate coup, as would, ironically, would the 'Libertarian' candidate being promoted as higher in suspect polls than the non-corporate Green candidate, Jill Stein. So Trump and the Clintons are much the same and similar rapidly fatal global effects could be expected, although Trump seems more likely, at this point at least, (not being Teflon in the same manner as the Clinton's at this point,) to sue or imprison those he disagrees with or has a grudge against than to immediately start bombing individuals, so to speak.
Once in the Presidency, with a precedent made of (unconstitutional) claims of being 'above the law' (as no one in any democracy can claim to be,) all bets are off. Corruption festers rapidly where immunity permits it to flourish.
For any others like myself not versed in such technical terminology, lol, the (simplified and as could be expected,) definition is, ergo:
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2016/09/links-91716.html
Not me, though, drat it...
https://medium.com/@nntaleb/the-intellectual-yet-idiot-13211e2d0577#.zdj...
(Had to remove a symbol in the PS which prevented the end of the sentence from posting, one I can't replicate without this recurring and can't think of the term for.)
Also the following link - please read in full at source if at all possible. (Bolding mine.)
Fossil fuels are, of course, the result of profound changes occurring to originally organic matter compressed under great pressure in an oxygen-free environment.
In somewhat (sorta, roughly, overall, loosely speaking, lol,) the same manner as the human body taking up similarly formed chemicals not normally naturally consumed to, in some cases, pass up later utilizing real-deal, actually useful nutrients under the impression that it already has enough of those, it's hardly surprising that fast-evolving synthetic bacteria designed to consume fossil fuel oil should adapt to the consumption of living organic material when starved of oil.
What are these mutants doing to organisms and fertilizing matter in the soil itself, I wonder... and what will the pissing-in-their-shared-well oligarchs do with their released-for-profit Homing-Pigeons-Of-Doom destroying the global life-support system so much faster than otherwise anticipated - barring Hillary's Mutual Assured Destruction, of course, which anyway seems likely even if a Dem proxy or anyone other than Bernie/Jill gets into the Presidency.
Such hazards are readily predictable and, in fact, the potential issues of GMO organisms being released into the environment were predicted...
http://journal-neo.org/2016/09/14/cynthia-the-flesh-eating-s/
It's do or die now, guys; although there may already be enough Anything For Extra Profit For The Right People damage in process to destroy life on the planet, there will be no restrictions on what can be done to us by The Right Greeds under corporate control. You're fighting with votes and political process not just for our lives, but for life itself.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Thanks for all that
or maybe not, CYNTHIA is some scary shit.
"What we have been seeing worldwide, from India to the UK to the US, is the rebellion against the inner circle of no-skin-in-the-game policymaking “clerks” and journalists-insiders, that class of paternalistic semi-intellectual experts with some Ivy league, Oxford-Cambridge, or similar label-driven education who are telling the rest of us 1) what to do, 2) what to eat, 3) how to speak, 4) how to think… and 5) who to vote for.
But the problem is the one-eyed following the blind..."
Uintended consequences are never conceived in this modern era of the "best and brightest" of the Ivy League dominance of BS. As education
falters so does the rest of the country, I'm living proof.
BTW, NC has some great reads all the time.
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
sorry this was a dupe
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
Sun, 09/18/2016 - 5:48am —
Sun, 09/18/2016 - 5:48am — CantStoptheSignal
They'll probably try that yet - we mustn't fall for it. Any Dem except Bernie is suspect, although I believe that he's going back to running as an Indie later anyway.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Clinton is the biggest
political rainmaker on the globe. Too tantalizing a prospect to give up for thoroughly corrupt pols in the democratic party. They want to learn how to get some of that cash for themselves. Think about it: virtually all of Obama's administration were former Clinton lackeys.
His, and Clinton's
administration have been filled banksters, who pull the puppet strings, no?
[video:https://youtu.be/a47jsFV8VRU align:center]
C99, my refuge from an insane world. #ForceTheVote
Two really good links. Thanks RR
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
all of Obama's administration
Or out-and-out GOPpers.
Party Unity? My ass!
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
How can Obama's legacy suffer? It's already shit
I never thought I would say this about anyone
who made it to the Oval Office, let alone about the first African American to make it to the Oval Office, but (a) get over yourself; and (b) everything is not all about you.
What legacy?
I'll happily insult his legacy whether or not I vote for Clinton. The highs and lows have already been well enumerated in this thread. The best thing he did may have been the ACA, but it's rapidly losing its first A. Only Jill is committed to universal healthcare, AFAIK.
The recession eased, but probably would have anyway. Had he somehow motivated Congress to do more with the stimulus, the change in the economy might have been dramatic. I don't blame him for Congress, but the fact is they wouldn't work with him and so he hasn't accomplished much.
So guess what, Mr. President? We're not impressed with your legacy.
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Nah, the best thing he did is the Iran agreement.
The ACA is an insurance bailout with a thin candy coating. That is already cracking.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
the best part of Obama's legacy
Actually, normalization of relations with Cuba ranks at least as high.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
As far as " normalization of relations with Cuba " goes
you are aware are you not that he has kept the embargo and sanctions?
US Renews Sanctions and Keeps Blockade on Cuba
"...Cuba presented a report last week that claims the U.S. blockade on the island nation has cost it US$4.7 billion over the last year and US$753.7 billion over the last six decades.
Last year the U.N. General Assembly voted 191-2 to condemn the U.S. blockade of Cuba, with only the U.S. and Israel opposed. "
http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/US-Renews-Sanctions-and-Keeps-Bloc...
sanctions and embargo
That's not on Obama. The rather unconstitutional Helms-Burton Act prohibits the lifting of the economic sanctions unless and until CON-Gress acts to lift them on its own initiative. Another Clintonian gift that just keeps right on giving. The law was passed on March 9 and signed by Bill Clinton on March 12, 1996. The bill defied at least one Supreme Court decision wherein the Court found (correctly) that Congress, acting alone, cannot grant itself a legislative veto over powers the Constitution grants to the Executive Branch (such as the conduct of foreign policy).
To his rightful credit, Obama normalized everything he could without such co-operation from Re-Gress, which he knew he wasn't going to get in any case. And the main result of these changes is that we're further from going to war over Cuba than at any time before that I've seen in my 58 years. And that's a good thing......
Wikipedia on Helms-Burton
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Isn't there something
Isn't there something drastically wrong when anyone in public office passes illegal 'laws' which are not only not even challenged when defying a legitimate Supreme Court opinion but when these illegal 'laws' are upheld by another President? Doesn't the US Constitution set limits for public officials in protecting 'we, the people' from such lawlessness and tyranny within government and aren't public officials swearing to uphold the Constitution as they enter office?
The various checks and balances intended to exist within the US government cannot cede their powers (and I include the blanket passing of corporate coups, GMO organisms, etc. in this) to bypass such protections implanted to prevent such mass abuses as now occur in results. (Not that Congress necessarily does any good, rather than evil, but this cedes responsibilities they took on in accepting public office. Would that work in a job in the private sector, or would they be fired, as they should be, for supporting this?)
This is a major reason as to why the theatre pretending to be government is so appalling; what gets passed is what the donors/TPTB (and shouldn't be powers at all) while evidently coordinated corporate/billionaire-serving ploys are enacted in Congress and the Senate to fool the citizens into thinking that someone's fighting for them, (between their President/Representatives, all of such offices existing for, and paid by, the public to work for the public good,) rather than using their own government against them, apparently without wondering why their government almost invariably acts against the public interest and has to be begged not to kill/sell off the people/environment/public property (the latter, like the country and government, belonging to the public, not to whatever individuals happen at any time to be in public office created to maintain it) not quite so quickly for increased profits for The Right People.
The US Constitution may have been misinterpreted but it's still a good document overall - For FSM's sake, don't let anyone mess with it to potentially take out anything that benefits the public and rewrite it to suit themselves.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
I'm concerned about
it maybe just being a way of laying Cuba open to being despoiled by American business interests...
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
a valid concern
The main reason I approve of it at all is that it takes us a step further away from getting into another fucking war over Cuba. In fact, we're now further away from such a war than we've been in my entire 58 years on this Planet. And that's a good thing.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
legacy
Add to that:
Those of us who are older than Millennials are highly unlikely to see another person of color in the Oval Office ever again. Especially Silents and Boomers; by the time another POC gets into the Oval Office, all or nearly all such Americans will have died of old age. GenX and GenY'ers might live to see it, but they won't be of working age. And if Her Heinous gets elected, the generations older than Millennials can pretty much count on the Presidency to remain a "sausage fest" until they are all dead from old age, too.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Depends on if we keep doing this "royal family" thing.
In 8 years, won't it be Michelle Obama's "turn"?
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He bailed out banks, he protected foreclosing banks from their
own sloppiness, he was the first Democratic politician to publicly characterize as "entitlements" social safety nets and Old Age and Disability Insurance, something for which workers pay throughout their employment careers; he was the first Democratic President or President Elect to say that entitlements needed "reform" (you know, like Bill Clinton said welfare needed "reform") the first Democratic President to put OASDI and Medicare on the table (but settle for the sequester, suggested by Sperling, a member of the Obama White House); the first Democratic President who himself, together with his Chief of Staff and his Press Secretary, openly mocked liberals; the first Democratic President to refer to "my friends on the left," just like Republicans do, the first Democratic President to waffle on reproductive choice (some have been for, some, pre-Wade may have been against or silent, but none waffled); and so on.
First and foremost, he got elected the first African American President of the United States, a joint venture on the part of Obama, Axelrod, Plouffe and the PTB of the Democratic Party who urged him to run and who supported his attempts to send Hillary packing, subtlely before they did so openly. And I do not say this with any negative connotation. I was, and remain, overjoyed that someone broke the white (as far as we know) male streak, just as I am overjoyed, albeit in hindsight, that JFK broke the WASP male streak.
On the other hand: Obama was also the first President to mandate that health insurance companies cover pre-existing medical conditions and kids under 26 (or opt out of Obamacare entirely--which some of them have done); the first to abolish DADT and its various predecessors that discriminated against gays and to say publicly he had "evolved"
back to his 1994 stanceinto supporting equal marriage (even if he did so mostly because gay bundlers, big donors who were gay individuals, gay fundraisers and gay organizations drew a "red line in the sand" as he turned to them for his re-election); the first to stop defending DOMA in court; and so on.All our Presidents have been very mixed bags, including slave owner and serial adulterer, George Washington, with the possible exception of Lincoln, who was only a bit of a mixed bag. Then again, he was President during a unique time and historians have been very kind to him. FDR, idolized by the left, did some things that were far better than anything Obama has even come close to doing, but he also did things more horrific than anything Obama has even come close to doing.
Mostly, I've just had enough of New Democratic politicians, including the Clintons, Lieberman, Gore (who did his useful work only after leaving politics for good), DWS, and almost every Democrat currently holding office or trying to hold office soon.
Somebody in another diary told me to check out
the reviews of Hillary's book Stronger Together on Amazon. They are hilarious, and provide a small window into why Obama and others might be going full-court press right now.
https://www.amazon.com/Stronger-Together-Hillary-Rodham-Clinton/product-...
Here's my favorite one:
1.0 out of 5 starsThis Is the Only Book You Should Read!
ByAmazon Customeron September 17, 2016
Format: Paperback
This book sucks, but if you don't buy it, it's just like buying Trump's book. That makes you a woman-hating, racist illiterate. Forget about the other books on Amazon - they are for kids, and the authors don't believe in vaccinations. Besides, none of them have 15% of sales, so clearly they don't have anything to offer - Amazon should just stop selling them.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Love LOVE LOVE the reviews!
I can't stop reading them
Also, Her Heiniousness is terrified at the millenials who are voting for Gary Johnson, or not bothering to vote.
Actually watched Chuck Turd this am, and the polls they showed are staggering. Make's ya wonder what their internals must be.
Lol, a bunch of new ones
Lol, a bunch of new ones since last night. Not all as witty as the original lot, but a great source of amusement - and showing what the overall and more accurate view of Her Royal Corporation really is.
Edit: was so amused that I somehow managed a spare 'the' - but rather than parse what the 'the' is, I've removed it.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Wow. A lot of people in the Amazon reviews of Hillary's book
Stronger Together are talking about maybe getting killed because of writing a bad review. They are joking, but only just. They're talking about Seth Rich, too, and I don't think they're joking about that. If that's not the result of sockpuppetry, which I guess it could be, from the Trump side of things, that is *really interesting*.
It's generally hard for Americans to believe that people on high are murdering people who disagree w/them to get their way. Usually the mental furniture we've been given by our education and conditioning gets in the way.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
LMAO. OK, this is the last one I'll post here
because I fear this is getting too close to hijacking:
1.0 out of 5 starsOne Star
ByRachelon September 17, 2016
Format: Paperback
Terrible - but don't blame the authors, blame the Russians.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Now that made me laugh. God, I hate this election.
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