Notes from the International Covid Summit

Submitted by ovals49 on Sun, 09/12/2021 - 5:06am

9/11-9/12/21 Tweets (From Dr Robert Malone @RWMaloneMD Website link)

"Natural immunity needs to be studied" is a ploy and a distraction. The data are clear, as is the logic. Protection afforded by natural immunity is far superior to genetic vaccination with a single antigen, but still not completely protective.

Upon arrival here in Italy I learned that, in fact, they do not require vaccination for entry. They require either vaccination OR evidence of recovery from infection, because they recognize natural immunity is equivalent or better to genetic vaccination with a single antigen.

Please ask yourself, "Why is the USA requiring vaccination for all with an outdated vax, when many have already been infected, recovered, developed natural immunity?". Stop. Think. Why the censorship? Why the mandates? Why the constant propaganda push?

OK, here is the next question for consideration. Why has virtually every single medical professional organization in the USA come out against early outpatient treatment of COVID-19? Particularly when "rogue" physicians who practice early treatment have outstanding results?

Why do I use patient questioning, rather than just "telling you the answer"?
1) Proven method to "red pill" (developed by Socrates). 2) I will be gone at some point - and do not have all the answers. I am trying to trigger you to think for yourself. 3) Deplatforming is a risk.

Next question, which seems obvious to me, but maybe I am biased. Why did you see an enormous synchronized push by media and government to label Ivermectin as an unsafe horse medicine when both assertions are clearly false? And why did so many buy into that media theme (meme)?

Here is my final question to you for this AM. Then I need some sleep so that I can be productive during today's deliberations at the International Covid Summit. What sort of a world do you want to live in? Are you an individualist or a collectivist?
Do you wish to be told what to do, or do you wish to rely on your own wits. Because that is where we are at. Defend liberty or submit. I cannot do this for you. You must make a choice and act on that choice. Or become like the Aussies and loose your freedom to choose.

I found these Twitter challenges and questions both compelling and important. Posted as food for thought. Please feel free to share your own, but try to refrain from disrespecting those persons with a POV different than your own. This is a complex subject that no one here, or anywhere else, understands completely. Let’s not turn it into a contentious food fight.

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Submitted by Lookout on Sun, 09/12/2021 - 6:13am

Good questions!

Jimmy jumped in to the IVM fray this AM covering the Rolling Stone deception (30 min)
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDy4gVdMJ-I]

I also thought this discussion was interesting (5 min)
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmy8znrLPc0]

Still no push for prevention. No PSA's for Vit D, nor zinc (Well John presented a new zinc study yesterday...with links below the clip), nor melatonin, and all the others...

Just get your jab...and another...and another?

Thanks for the comments from Malone!

—

“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

Submitted by ovals49 on Sun, 09/12/2021 - 6:34am

I had not seen the Rogan - Weinstein clip

@Lookout
It is a very clear, yet accessible, explanation of how our particular vaccine-only approach is problematic and argues persuasively that a rethinking of our current public health agencies policies is badly needed.

Thanks for the link!

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“The story around the world gives a silent testimony:
— The Beresovka mammoth, frozen in mud, with buttercups in his mouth…..”

The Adam and Eve Story, Chan Thomas 1963

Submitted by Pluto's Republic on Sun, 09/12/2021 - 8:57am

Dr Robert Malone:

It is very early in the morning, and I am removing my brief comments about Dr. Malone.

I have nothing negative to say. He is accurate on many points.

Submitted by ovals49 on Sun, 09/12/2021 - 9:00am

I read his drift

@Pluto's Republic
having more to do with pursuing any, even marginally effective, early interventions. I see nothing that suggests that he believes that vanquishing the virus is possible. I do see that he believes other mitigation strategies can reduce serious disease and mortality, if they were to be tolerated by those currently calling the shots.

I agree the virus will be with us for the long term, but at what cost to humankind remains to be seen.

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“The story around the world gives a silent testimony:
— The Beresovka mammoth, frozen in mud, with buttercups in his mouth…..”

The Adam and Eve Story, Chan Thomas 1963

Submitted by Blue Republic on Tue, 09/14/2021 - 11:03am

How likely

@ovals49 @ovals49

is someone preparing to cross the Atlantic in a 30ft sailboat to vanquish it?

Or someone crossing Death Valley with two canteens and a burro to vanquish the desert?

That's about how likely we are to 'beat the virus'. Which should have been obvious from the beginning. Hubris and wishful thinking can get real expensive.

Submitted by janis b on Mon, 09/13/2021 - 1:22am

In some ways,

@ovals49

I think the cost to humankind can be clearly seen through the shattering by fear of a sense of emotional security, and on a practical level by creating financial insecurity.

How can we better adapt is a question we in the public, and those in government must be asking ourselves. This is an evolving state of affairs that needs to be continually refined, but I don't really expect that to happen in this climate of division and uncertainty, so I find solace in sharing sympathy in whatever way I can.

I appreciate your questioning and openness despite the circumstances we find ourselves in.

Submitted by Blue Republic on Sun, 09/12/2021 - 9:53am

Hospitals - The American Killing Fields?

Be very afraid - of the ICU and vax.

Hospital administrations mandate protocols.
Doctors working for the hospitals contractually obligate themselves to follow the protocols.
But the protocols for COVID treatment are a formula for needless suffering and death...

Dr. Bryan Ardis

https://www.brighteon.com/e36e0fc0-cde3-4fbe-b5f1-069f69f1353b

Nurse Speaks Out — The majority of our hospitalized Covid patients are actually suffering from ‘Vaccine Injuries’… September 10, 2021

https://rumble.com/vm936v-whistleblower-nurse-destroys-delta-narrative-vaccinated-patients-fill-hospt.html

Submitted by ovals49 on Sun, 09/12/2021 - 11:27am

Mandated protocols,

@Blue Republic
whether executed by withholding official recommendations from the top or by being passed down to medical professional organizations, or corporate executives are a clear impediments to traditional good doctoring. It needs to stop. The front line doctor is in a better position to determine what is best for his particular patient than the head of the CDC or some hospital administrator.

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“The story around the world gives a silent testimony:
— The Beresovka mammoth, frozen in mud, with buttercups in his mouth…..”

The Adam and Eve Story, Chan Thomas 1963

Submitted by CB on Sun, 09/12/2021 - 9:54am

We are being gaslighted

The top medical advisor has no answer why people have to be vaccinated when they have previously been infected and recovered from SARS-CoV-2 despite having ample natural protection.

Fauci is asked why people who had Covid already are being required to vaccinate, even though they’re likely more protected than vaccinated people

“That’s a really good point…I don’t really have a firm answer for you on that” pic.twitter.com/MXGQGinTbn

— Eli Klein (@TheEliKlein) September 10, 2021

Ultrapotent antibodies against diverse and highly transmissible SARS-CoV-2 variants
13 Aug 2021

Defenses against SARS-CoV-2 variants

Our key defense against the COVID-19 pandemic is neutralizing antibodies against the SARS-CoV-2 virus elicited by natural infection or vaccination. Recent emerging viral variants have raised concern because of their potential to escape antibody neutralization. Wang et al. identified four antibodies from early-outbreak convalescent donors that are potent against 23 variants, including variants of concern, and characterized their binding to the spike protein of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2). Yuan et al. examined the impact of emerging mutations in the receptor-binding domain of the spike protein on binding to the host receptor ACE2 and to a range of antibodies. These studies may be helpful for developing more broadly effective vaccines and therapeutic antibodies.
...

TPTB will accept the above report as a reason to produce new 'booster' jabs and costly monoclonal antibodies but at the same time they will not accept anyone using the fact of previous infection as a rational for refusing the vaccine.

According to official reports, 41,816,668 Americans have been infected with SARS-CoV-2. I would think that at least another 2 to 3 times this many have been infected but had few symptoms and did not receive medical treatment. It is also convenient that generalized testing will be discontinued later this year - we don't want the knowledge of how many people already have antibodies against the disease to become common knowledge.

We are always told we should 'trust the science' but in point of fact, TPTB constantly refuse to accept or even recognize 'the science' when it goes against their narrative. We have watched this time and time and time and time again in the preceding one and half years as they have been steadily moving the goal posts.

We are being led to believe there is absolutely NO OTHER RECOURSE to deal with SARS-CoV-2 OTHER THAN VACCINATION. I also don't believe the prophylactic pill they have been currently developing to minimize symptoms will be available except to those that have an official vaccine certificate. In any event the cost will be prohibitive just like Remdesivir.

I have come to believe these unreachable goalposts are quite deliberate and I don't like where that chute is leading to.

Submitted by Lookout on Sun, 09/12/2021 - 10:14am

I don't either CB...

I don't like where that chute is leading

...to the big pharma sick care bottom line. More sickness, more profit.

You think they'll "require" third jab vax cards next? Or perhaps mandate them?

It is a cowardly new world.

—

“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

Submitted by CB on Sun, 09/12/2021 - 4:38pm

Vax card?

@Lookout

Submitted by studentofearth on Sun, 09/12/2021 - 11:45am

My answers

"Why is the USA requiring vaccination for all with an outdated vax, when many have already been infected, recovered, developed natural immunity?". Stop. Think. Why the censorship? Why the mandates? Why the constant propaganda push?

Desire for Universal Patient Identifier use not limited by and local or federal legislation. Plus, as an added bonus, the current QR code tied to a smart phone with all the newest spying and tracking capabilities.

Computers entered retail pharmacy in the 1960's and some pharmacy insurance plans shortly thereafter. Insurance company issued their own identification number. By the early 1980's social security numbers were identified as the easiest method to utilize as a Universal ~~Person~~ Patient Identifier transcending individual insurance companies and private businesses. Then those pesky Consumer Groups and "concerned" citizens got in the way and legislative restrictions on using social security numbers were put into law.

Its was okay, computer data crunching power had improved. Raw medical data could be collected along with driver license information and other commercial personal data to provide fairly detailed information. Then those pesky Consumer Groups and "concerned" citizens got in the way and legislative restrictions on using medical data went into law. Health Information Portability Act (HIPPA) is still an annoying problem today for data aggregation. Work arounds like Google Health, health monitoring apps and sports apps exit, but, only collect information based on voluntary participation. Credit cards, preferred discount programs and purchase patterns within large business such as Amazon and Walmart add to the information for dats crunching. Still not realtime information on specific individuals.

QR code is a type of barcode with a significantly greater capabilities of data manipulation than the linear barcodes of the 1950's. Vaccine Passports use dynamic QR code technology. It is not a violation of HIPPA to request proof of vaccine status. Unless those pesky Consumer Groups and "concerned" citizens get in the way there is no restrictions on use information collected from dynamic QR codes.

Why do I use patient questioning, rather than just "telling you the answer"?

Most physicians are now employees, and all are subject to Medical Board discipline and Malpractice Insurance restrictions.

Part of a medical professional's responsibility is to customize general information and treatments to each unique individual. Then to follow along to make adjustments to treatments and suggestions based on the unique individual's response and changing medical condition.

Some nonWestern medical traditions place the emphasis on very detailed personalize information to formulate individualized treatment plans rather than determining which protocol they fit best.

Why did you see an enormous synchronized push by media and government to label Ivermectin as an unsafe horse medicine when both assertions are clearly false? And why did so many buy into that media theme (meme)?

Most mass media are simply transcription services for "official" and "expert" information. Sometimes they serve in the ready to consume mode, sometimes they add a few bits of ~~flavorings~~ supporting information with backstory.

Over-the-counter use of ivermectin Ag (agriculture) products is a huge market worlwide. At the moment I am having trouble finding information on annual sales. It was not as easy to control distribution as the prescription only hydroxychloquine identified as possibly therapeutic early in the pandemic.

Horse wormer speaks to an economic class who can afford and use ready to use products and services. It requires significant disposable income to afford keeping a horse. Horse wormer is an oral medication with its own application and flavorings ready to use, only need to make dosage adjustments for size of equine.

Injectable ivermectin is only FDA approved for cattle and swine. It can also be purchased in combination with another drug for liver flukes or as a topical pour-on for easier application on livestock who will not stand still for their shot. Drugs.com also includes some information on reindeer and Bison which are not found on your average small acreage. All other Ag businesses use of ivermection injectable as off-label includes: sheep, alpacas, goats, llamas, poultry and etc. Dosage adjustments are made based on weight, intended parasite and method of application.

Several companies make an oral drench for sheep. They are good products for someone uncomfortable with the older method of mixing up a batch from the injectable for stomach worms.

Certain breeds of dogs should never be allowed access to the area veterinary supplies of ivermectin products are stored. They are more sensitive to toxicity at low levels. There are reports of dogs having toxic symptoms from eating too many droppings fecal matter)from recently treated livestock.

What sort of a world do you want to live in? Are you an individualist or a collectivist?

Don't think of it is an either or questions. I probably an too influenced by watching my flock's behavior over the past decades. Sometimes the protection of the flock has kept them alive and thriving, especially from predators. In other situations acting alone or in small groups provides tasty treats and traveling adventures. Out of all the various livestock, domestic pets and poultry on the place sheep are the quickest to train any human visitor or resident to provide for their desires.

—

Still yourself, deep water can absorb many disturbances with minimal reaction.
--When the opening appears release yourself.

Submitted by CB on Sun, 09/12/2021 - 12:17pm

Although Ivermectin was originally introduced

@studentofearth
for veterinary use it soon became apparent that it could also be beneficial for human use. Over 3.7 billion Ivermectin tablets have been distributed to billions of people worldwide since.

Ivermectin, ‘Wonder drug’ from Japan: the human use perspective
2011 Feb 10
...
Abstract

Discovered in the late-1970s, the pioneering drug ivermectin, a dihydro derivative of avermectin— originating solely from a single microorganism isolated at the Kitasato Intitute, Tokyo, Japan from Japanese soil — has had an immeasurably beneficial impact in improving the lives and welfare of billions of people throughout the world. Originally introduced as a veterinary drug, it kills a wide range of internal and external parasites in commercial livestock and companion animals. It was quickly discovered to be ideal in combating two of the world’s most devastating and disfiguring diseases which have plagued the world’s poor throughout the tropics for centuries. It is now being used free-of-charge as the sole tool in campaigns to eliminate both diseases globally. It has also been used to successfully overcome several other human diseases and new uses for it are continually being found. This paper looks in depth at the events surrounding ivermectin’s passage from being a huge success in Animal Health into its widespread use in humans, a development which has led many to describe it as a “wonder” drug.

Introduction

There are few drugs that can seriously lay claim to the title of ‘Wonder drug’, penicillin and aspirin being two that have perhaps had greatest beneficial impact on the health and wellbeing of Mankind. But ivermectin can also be considered alongside those worthy contenders, based on its versatility, safety and the beneficial impact that it has had, and continues to have, worldwide—especially on hundreds of millions of the world’s poorest people....
...
Ivermectin proved to be even more of a ‘Wonder drug’ in human health, improving the nutrition, general health and wellbeing of billions of people worldwide ever since it was first used to treat Onchocerciasis in humans in 1988. It proved ideal in many ways, being highly effective and broad-spectrum, safe, well tolerated and could be easily administered (a single, annual oral dose)....
...
In referring to the international efforts to tackle Onchocerciasis in which ivermectin is now the sole control tool, the UNESCO World Science Report concluded, “the progress that has been made in combating the disease represents one of the most triumphant public health campaigns ever waged in the developing world”.
...

"Why is the USA requiring vaccination for all with an outdated vax, when many have already been infected, recovered, developed natural immunity?". Stop. Think. Why the censorship? Why the mandates? Why the constant propaganda push?

Desire for Universal Patient Identifier use not limited by and local or federal legislation. Plus, as an added bonus, the current QR code tied to a smart phone with all the newest spying and tracking capabilities.

Computers entered retail pharmacy in the 1960's and some pharmacy insurance plans shortly thereafter. Insurance company issued their own identification number. By the early 1980's social security numbers were identified as the easiest method to utilize as a Universal ~~Person~~ Patient Identifier transcending individual insurance companies and private businesses. Then those pesky Consumer Groups and "concerned" citizens got in the way and legislative restrictions on using social security numbers were put into law.

Its was okay, computer data crunching power had improved. Raw medical data could be collected along with driver license information and other commercial personal data to provide fairly detailed information. Then those pesky Consumer Groups and "concerned" citizens got in the way and legislative restrictions on using medical data went into law. Health Information Portability Act (HIPPA) is still an annoying problem today for data aggregation. Work arounds like Google Health, health monitoring apps and sports apps exit, but, only collect information based on voluntary participation. Credit cards, preferred discount programs and purchase patterns within large business such as Amazon and Walmart add to the information for dats crunching. Still not realtime information on specific individuals.

QR code is a type of barcode with a significantly greater capabilities of data manipulation than the linear barcodes of the 1950's. Vaccine Passports use dynamic QR code technology. It is not a violation of HIPPA to request proof of vaccine status. Unless those pesky Consumer Groups and "concerned" citizens get in the way there is no restrictions on use information collected from dynamic QR codes.

Why do I use patient questioning, rather than just "telling you the answer"?

Most physicians are now employees, and all are subject to Medical Board discipline and Malpractice Insurance restrictions.

Part of a medical professional's responsibility is to customize general information and treatments to each unique individual. Then to follow along to make adjustments to treatments and suggestions based on the unique individual's response and changing medical condition.

Some nonWestern medical traditions place the emphasis on very detailed personalize information to formulate individualized treatment plans rather than determining which protocol they fit best.

Why did you see an enormous synchronized push by media and government to label Ivermectin as an unsafe horse medicine when both assertions are clearly false? And why did so many buy into that media theme (meme)?

Most mass media are simply transcription services for "official" and "expert" information. Sometimes they serve in the ready to consume mode, sometimes they add a few bits of ~~flavorings~~ supporting information with backstory.

Over-the-counter use of ivermectin Ag (agriculture) products is a huge market worlwide. At the moment I am having trouble finding information on annual sales. It was not as easy to control distribution as the prescription only hydroxychloquine identified as possibly therapeutic early in the pandemic.

Horse wormer speaks to an economic class who can afford and use ready to use products and services. It requires significant disposable income to afford keeping a horse. Horse wormer is an oral medication with its own application and flavorings ready to use, only need to make dosage adjustments for size of equine.

Injectable ivermectin is only FDA approved for cattle and swine. It can also be purchased in combination with another drug for liver flukes or as a topical pour-on for easier application on livestock who will not stand still for their shot. Drugs.com also includes some information on reindeer and Bison which are not found on your average small acreage. All other Ag businesses use of ivermection injectable as off-label includes: sheep, alpacas, goats, llamas, poultry and etc. Dosage adjustments are made based on weight, intended parasite and method of application.

Several companies make an oral drench for sheep. They are good products for someone uncomfortable with the older method of mixing up a batch from the injectable for stomach worms.

Certain breeds of dogs should never be allowed access to the area veterinary supplies of ivermectin products are stored. They are more sensitive to toxicity at low levels. There are reports of dogs having toxic symptoms from eating too many droppings fecal matter)from recently treated livestock.

What sort of a world do you want to live in? Are you an individualist or a collectivist?

Don't think of it is an either or questions. I probably an too influenced by watching my flock's behavior over the past decades. Sometimes the protection of the flock has kept them alive and thriving, especially from predators. In other situations acting alone or in small groups provides tasty treats and traveling adventures. Out of all the various livestock, domestic pets and poultry on the place sheep are the quickest to train any human visitor or resident to provide for their desires.

Submitted by studentofearth on Sun, 09/12/2021 - 1:12pm

Question why the horse narrative pushed?

@CB The volume of drug product already in warehouses, store inventories and individual farms made it nearly impossible to restrict in March 2020 when first mass media reports of possible efficacy were published. Ag business is a powerful lobby group. Horses are considered more a personal hobby with tax benefits.

The controls of medical professionals by practice boards, licensing bodies (including FDA) and employers are from the same playbook as applied to other possible treatments for general public access to drug. Thankfully supplement supplies have not been interrupted. Use in other counties has shifted back and forth between the approach by some of our diplomatic resources and severity of infections creating potential for political uprisings.

#6
for veterinary use it soon became apparent that it could also be beneficial for human use. Over 3.7 billion Ivermectin tablets have been distributed to billions of people worldwide since.

Ivermectin, ‘Wonder drug’ from Japan: the human use perspective
2011 Feb 10
...
Abstract

Discovered in the late-1970s, the pioneering drug ivermectin, a dihydro derivative of avermectin— originating solely from a single microorganism isolated at the Kitasato Intitute, Tokyo, Japan from Japanese soil — has had an immeasurably beneficial impact in improving the lives and welfare of billions of people throughout the world. Originally introduced as a veterinary drug, it kills a wide range of internal and external parasites in commercial livestock and companion animals. It was quickly discovered to be ideal in combating two of the world’s most devastating and disfiguring diseases which have plagued the world’s poor throughout the tropics for centuries. It is now being used free-of-charge as the sole tool in campaigns to eliminate both diseases globally. It has also been used to successfully overcome several other human diseases and new uses for it are continually being found. This paper looks in depth at the events surrounding ivermectin’s passage from being a huge success in Animal Health into its widespread use in humans, a development which has led many to describe it as a “wonder” drug.

Introduction

There are few drugs that can seriously lay claim to the title of ‘Wonder drug’, penicillin and aspirin being two that have perhaps had greatest beneficial impact on the health and wellbeing of Mankind. But ivermectin can also be considered alongside those worthy contenders, based on its versatility, safety and the beneficial impact that it has had, and continues to have, worldwide—especially on hundreds of millions of the world’s poorest people....
...
Ivermectin proved to be even more of a ‘Wonder drug’ in human health, improving the nutrition, general health and wellbeing of billions of people worldwide ever since it was first used to treat Onchocerciasis in humans in 1988. It proved ideal in many ways, being highly effective and broad-spectrum, safe, well tolerated and could be easily administered (a single, annual oral dose)....
...
In referring to the international efforts to tackle Onchocerciasis in which ivermectin is now the sole control tool, the UNESCO World Science Report concluded, “the progress that has been made in combating the disease represents one of the most triumphant public health campaigns ever waged in the developing world”.
...

—

Still yourself, deep water can absorb many disturbances with minimal reaction.
--When the opening appears release yourself.

Submitted by CB on Mon, 09/13/2021 - 11:09am

I understand

@studentofearth
What would you estimate the dose to be for my 180 pound goat?

Submitted by Lookout on Mon, 09/13/2021 - 6:57pm

Well the dose is...

@CB

0.2 mg/kg per dose (take with or after a meal)

https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/FLCCC-Allianc...

So 180 lbs/ 2.2lbs/kg = ~ 82 kg x 0.2 mg/kg = 16.4 mg

(Hint: one tube of horse dewormer contains about 122 mg of IVM)

So about an 1/8th of a tube.

Thats off the top so double check me.

—

“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

Submitted by snoopydawg on Sun, 09/12/2021 - 12:58pm

Excellent read on the 'vaccines'

Best discussion on whether they can even be called vaccines.

Worth a full read:

To be a vaccine, several criteria must be met:

1) the injection must provide you antibody immunity to a pathogen (virus or bacterium)

2) the antibodies produced post injection must be shown to confer protection from that virus or bacterium

3) the injection must demonstrate it reduces hospitalizations or deaths from the pathogen

4)the injection must demonstrate it reduces severe symptoms of the pathogen

5) the injection must demonstrate it stops you from carrying the pathogen

6) the injection must show it stops transmission of the pathogen from you to others

So are these injections vaccines?

The conclusion therefore is NO. This injection for COVID-19 is NOT a vaccine and all it has shown as reported by the injection developers, is an effect on reducing mild COVID-19 symptoms (the vaccines do not stop infection, transmission, severe COVID, hospitalization, or death); it is best described as a gene delivery platform; and the studies conducted by the injection developers were not set up to show any of the above 6 mentioned criteria; these injections for COVID-19 do not prevent transmission and were not designed to do this. We were told that they (developers) are measuring to see if the injection ‘attenuates’ symptoms. Again, this injection does not stop transmission or infection, including the Delta variant.

The 2nd video Lookout posted talks about this too at the beginning.

Biden, Harris and a few other democrats said that they would not trust nor take the Trump vaccines. So how would they react if Trump had won re-election and mandated vaccines for guv workers and businesses with more than 100 people? Yeah...I can imagine. And why not for businesses that have 50 employees or 20 or 10? What is the thinking behind that? Democrats rode Trump's buttocks for 4 years and they were the ones IMO that made Covid a political football by deriding everything he said and did. He didn't tell people to inject bleach and it sure looks like he was right on using some other drugs to help people from being infected. Just fed up with how this was seen as an advantage to keep him from winning again. I'd love to see someone take Hillary's pushing the media to cover Trump above all others to the woodshed.

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Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.

Submitted by snoopydawg on Sun, 09/12/2021 - 3:57pm

Here you go..when democrats said they wouldn’t trust vaccines

[video:https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=143&v=G25rfncVtp0&feature=emb_...

Biden said that if they get here then there’s a good chance that they didn’t go through proper trials. Cuomo, Harris, some dude on a zoom wearing a mask…for gawd’s sake why? But now we’re supposed to ignore all that? Sure.

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Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.

Submitted by CB on Sun, 09/12/2021 - 4:30pm

The leadership still doesn't trust the vaccine

@snoopydawg
The House and Senate are not included in Biden's recent mandate to impel federal workers to get the jab.

Submitted by snoopydawg on Mon, 09/13/2021 - 12:03pm

Yeah what's up with that decision?

@CB

People who work at Pfzir are also exempt from taking it. As is the post office. When there are 2 sets of rules for upper and lower classes then IMO there is an agenda and it is not to keep people safe or alive. We all know that if that was the case then there are others ways to achieve it. As of now they aren't even being considered or talked about.

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Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.

Submitted by snoopydawg on Mon, 09/13/2021 - 12:05pm

One thing Cuoma says about the person running the FDA

@snoopydawg

was that he couldn't trust him because he worked for Trump. IIRC his name is Scott Goitleb who quit and is now working as the big wig at Pfizer. Yeah that should give us a lot of confidence that the FDA is once again trustworthy since it takes its orders from big pharma. Pfizer, J&J, and others have had 10's of thousands of lawsuits that they lost and have had to pay billions in fines. Maybe if JUST ONE of the people involved in putting deadly drugs on the market would have been charged for it and held accountable people would have more trust in the vaccines that are NOT vaccines.

But as we just witnessed the Sackler family that spread Oxycontin, deaths and addictions for decades got to walk away with most of their vast wealth and no penalties for the deaths they caused. The FDA did not pull the drug when deaths started going up and again congress was AWOL on protecting us. It is this massive system of corruption from not only the FDA which has long been captured by big pharma and other businesses, but in every government agency. My mistrust started when the FDA knew that dawg food was contaminated with melani (sp), but allowed it to stay on the market while 10's of thousands of dawgs died horribly from the contamination. Vioxx, Bextra and other drugs don't get pulled when deaths start piling up.....

Trust is earned. When it is lost it takes that much more to be earned again. They have not earned mine.

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Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.

Submitted by snoopydawg on Mon, 09/13/2021 - 5:59pm

Article on big pharma fines

@snoopydawg

https://www.pharmaceuticalprocessingworld.com/gsk-pfizer-and-jj-among-th...

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Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.

Submitted by Battle of Blair... on Mon, 09/13/2021 - 12:23am

Sorry Dr. Malone, but that's what is called

A false dichotomy. It is not full on collectivism vs you are an island living by your wits.
Humanity works in groups. Not alone.
United we stand. Divided we fall.