No Smoking Gun, No Quid Pro Quo, So "Troubling"
Yes, yes, it all looks bad, the whole HRC selling State Department access to Clinton Foundation donors thing. But that's how the game is played, you poor pathetic fool! What kind of a naif thinks this isn't the dynamics of interactions between politicians and their funders and which has been such since time immemorial? (SPOILER: the Smoking QPQ starts at Paragraph 9)
According to the punditry , in order to make any effective case against the untoward entwining of HRC during her tenure as Secretary of State with her family Foundation, one would need a clear cut case of quid pro quo, or in English, tit for tat. You do this and I do that. If you don't do this, then I don't do that. Something simple enough that even the dumbest TV talking head could grasp the interaction and make the inference that something very smelly is going on and who could bring themselves to communicate this to the rest of us. Which might cause concern among the voters and perhaps the Congress and even perhaps to some intrepid FBI agent or Justice Department or something.
In the absence of any such quid pro quo, pundits are left to pontificate on how HRC could have given so little thought to appearances, which the hoi polloi are bound to misinterpret, since we lack the sophistication of the Beltway cocktail circuit.
But occasionally, even the insiders may be concerned about the boundary stretching that went on during Hillary's term in the DOS - it can even rise to the level of "Troubling"(!) as occurs in this article in Vox by Jeff Stein:
4 Experts Make The Case That The Clinton Foundations Fundraising Was Troubling
This is a decent article which points out that what Clinton did was different from the typical greasing of the skids and gladhanding that goes on between most of our politicians and their donors: HRC was dealing with tax deductible donations which according to law may be anonymous (any disclosure the Foundation does is voluntary and there have been notable gaps) and which may include foreign nationals and companies and governments - something that is excluded in our internal domestic political finance schemes (despite the giant loopholes in the Citizen's United decision). Also, Clinton's purview was not confined to domestic policy since now we are in an international arena with an entirely different set of players and motivations not to mention opening up new territory like arms sales, access to foreign players and leaders, etc. But, as even this article cautions us, that there is no quid pro quo that has been unearthed so far.
But Stein does clear up one nagging question that the punditry keeps asking the Clinton spoxpeeples - how come it's okay for Secretary of State Clinton and hubby to get stuff from furriners but President Hillary can't? Oh! It's unconstitutional for a President or First Lady to accept gifts under the Emolument Clause in the Constitution.
There is a word which keeps popping up - "troubling". "Troubling" is the new synonym and shorthand for "stinks to high heaven" and "why isn't this person resigning?" and "where's the Special Prosecutor? ". To me a pair of underwear riding up is troubling, but it's not the word I would choose to describe my feelings about a major Cabinet figure found giving the finger to the FOIA, storing state secrets on private servers in basements, and trading access and more to donors.
Ah, if only there was some concrete case of some Foundation Donor who got not simply access, but something concrete. Something they were clearly not entitled to by any independent measure. Something that might be against the best interests of the country. If only such a case exists.
But Dear Reader, it does. It has been reported. It's out in the open. There is someone who was both a Clinton campaign contributor AND a donor to the Foundation who made a request to be appointed to a position they were clearly not qualified for, was added to the list of nominees for that position and ultimately actually enshrined in the position by either the Secretary herself or her highest staff with her knowlege.
This article in Daily Caller details the direct ask from the donor for the favor in an email to Huma Abedin: Clinton Donor Asked For State Department Position
This article by ABC News, which did most of the heavy lifting on this story, details the appointees lack of necessary qualifications, i.e. the apparent inability to get a security clearance plus it also makes clear that he was added by "S" (the Secretary) and/or Mills.
Records Sought For Clinton Foundation Donor Placed On Intel Board
This article in the WSJ Hillary's Strange Security Adviser is a good summary of the appointee's campaign activities, the fact that when the appointment became public, the primary goal of the people behind the scenes in State became to "protect the Secretary and Under Secretary's name" and that Cheryl Mills asked for press "stall". The situation was contained with the rapid resignation of the person in question. Then any information about the appointee was scrubbed from the any information about the Board. The author opines further:
This is also why Mrs. Clinton kept control over her home-brew email server. The Citizens United release shows that messages about ISAB appointments were forwarded to Mrs. Clinton’s personal account—where they fell into a black hole. Were there email discussions about the personal-profit merit of appointing Mr. Fernando? Ask Mrs. Clinton’s webmaster, Bryan Pagliano. Or not. He recently invoked the Fifth during a deposition 125 consecutive times.
So, in summary, there is a case where there is an apparent ask, there is an apparent fulfillment of the request, then there is apparent cover-up and obstruction. I have heard people posit that for any situation to qualify as a true quid pro quo that would have legs it would require a situation where:
The request was inappropriate, the request should not have been considered and would not have been considered by a reasonable person in the same situation, any action taken was intentional, and the action could be argued to be against the true best interests of the country and could be construed by reasonable people as simply a reward for dollars.
What do you think? Is there fire to go along with the smoke?
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Epilogue:
I believe that the reason the press and the punditry are not adequately covering the actions of HRC while SOS is because she is running against the political equivalent of Jeffery Dahmer. But imagine in an alternate universe that her actions and obstructions and such were covered to the degree that they deserve to be and that she actually made a pragmatic decision to resign as the candidate.
Wouldn't we be left with Tim Kaine who is the same DLCer, centrist, deal-maker that HRC is, but without the scandel attached? Or, could we not default to the only other person who ran for the nomination meaningfully - Bernie Sanders?
If elected, what sorts of precedents is the election of Hillary Clinton setting for future Cabinet appointees, future Presidents, and future politicians who now see the way to personal enrichment is clearly to set up family foundations and then to muddle the boundaries between non-profits and politics as much as is humanly possible? And of course, to join a Speakers Bureau and take elocution lessons. Is this Our Brave New World?
I notice that Rhode Island politicians have already noticed this formerly little noticed path to wealth. A number are embroiled in a scandal involving their association with local non-profits which they control, whose assets may be questionably distributed, and for whose benefit they collectively pass public grants for. It really seems like an example of what Hillary writ large, writ small on a state page. The salt in the wound is that the tax status of the non-profits essentially creates an income deduction for graft!
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Proof of a direct quid pro quo, with the burden of proof on the
accuser, not the politician, is the standard politicians set for themselves in criminal law, knowing proof would be nearly impossible, unless the politician is a fool. It is not a standard for a vote. "Seems fishy" is more than enough of a standard to lose a vote, but collusive media frames this like poor Hillary is on trial for a crime for which she'll do hard time, as opposed to asking us to make her President.
http://caucus99percent.com/comment/163523#comment-163523
Why did the Foundation report $10 million in donations from abroad as zero?
What MORE proof is needed?
Claire McCaskill (apologist for the campaign that she is) can't explain why he was appointed:
i.e. there was no credible reason other than his fundraising (it appears he may have been a bundler for Obama, as well).
And isn't this quite sufficient?
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
"There's no evidence that Clintons did anything wrong."
I am so sick of hearing that phrase! It's like when the police walk into a bedroom with blood covering the walls and soaking the mattress, and the spouse says, "But there's no evidence that my wife/husband is actually dead" because the spouse disposed of the body.
Every time I hear a pundit saying, "But there's no evidence," I really hear them saying "Hillary got rid of the evidence."
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when we are afraid of the light.
--Plato
I have always noticed that the default position of almost
every single Clinton surrogate when it comes to questions about classified emails or the Foundation or pay to play is always "No evidence!" "No proof!" or some other qualifier. They never seem to be comfortable enough to say "Everything she did is aboveboard and on the up and up and please go over everything with a fine tooth comb". Of course, they try to downplay any actual evidence as much as they possibly can.
Or how come she can't withstand a simple open press conference? Her 300 so-called press opportunities have been one on one where she filibusters or repeats her talking points and they are extremely limited in time and scope.
I'll never figure out how her lawyers got away with obstruction when they were destroying emails after they were already under FOIA requests, lawsuits and the Benghazi committee.
I recall seeing Jeffrey Sachs one time on some show saying that "there was always an angle" when you worked with or for the Clintons. And he just shrugged when he said it, like "Whatcha gonna do?"
" “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR "
I still hope they don't end up getting away with it
I'm still not clear on WHO actually did the sorting and whether or not any of them had the security clearance to even READ the emails...
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
This alone should be criminal
I have long argued that her deletion (via her lawyers) of any emails from that server constituted a destruction of public records. Once she co-mingled State Dept business with her so called private emails, everything on that server became the property of the State Dept. And only the State Dept had the right to determine what was personal and what was governmental.
This is assuming that they let her skate on having State Dept. business on a private server in the first place. For the life of me, I still do not understand how she has gotten away with the FOIA. Anyone else would have had the book thrown at them. Instead Clinton gets the Democratic party's nom for President.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
It's the Leona Helmsley Rule of Law
Laws exist only to be enforced against the Little People as a tool of suppression. I believe we are actually to that point.
" “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR "
I don't hear "no evidence." I hear "no proof."
I hear 'Wrong, but not illegal'.
which is what the DOJ said about the bankster's who were too big to fail. It not illegal because they rewrote the laws and passed new ones that legalize economic and war crimes against humanity.
Levels of theft are bizarre.
A local-ish Director of an SPCA has thieved several hundreds of thousands of dollars from the budget, including (not the person) paying off a vet-tech girlfriend with such necessary items like a joint trip to NOLA, funded by the SPCA. Charges May Go Up if they are found to exceed $1 million. Still looking at books there.
Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.
Someone should go over a list of arms sales
US arms sales are approved through State. Around 2011 there were arms deals with the House of Saud and the various Sunni statelets around the Gulf. These are the countries alleged to be funding and arming ISIS. They are also our "allies". How many of these states, or their sultans and sheiks, donated to the Clinton Foundation?
No one in the MSM is going to point out the obvious. Hell, no one points out we've been in Afghanistan for fifteen years to allegedly catch a guy who was hiding out in yet another ally's country and is now dead. We're still in Afghanistan. No one in the media can explain, or will explain why.
I believe people have looked into that
David Sirota left the best trail of breadcrumbs for people to follow if they want to understand the questionable interactions between the Clinton Foundation and the State Department which I wrote about in this essay:
Sirota Provides Clinton Foundation Study Notes
" “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR "
Someone should go over a list of arms sales
US arms sales are approved through State. Around 2011 there were arms deals with the House of Saud and the various Sunni statelets around the Gulf. These are the countries alleged to be funding and arming ISIS. They are also our "allies". How many of these states, or their sultans and sheiks, donated to the Clinton Foundation?
No one in the MSM is going to point out the obvious. Hell, no one points out we've been in Afghanistan for fifteen years to allegedly catch a guy who was hiding out in yet another ally's country and is now dead. We're still in Afghanistan. No one in the media can explain, or will explain why.
She clearly should be moved aside
so the Dems can run someone who is at least not a stupid crook who gets caught. Almost anyone would have a better chance than her of defeating Trump.
Too many DC types knee deep in the foundation
http://www.infowars.com/fbi-source-clinton-foundation-can-bring-down-ent...
They are interested in our bliss...well at least our ignorance!
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
Infowars is a bridge too far for me to consider as a source
But aside from that, it's obvious that the entire Democratic machine and a lot of the corporate world and countless others internationally know what the deal is here. And there is a whole lot of individual instances that have been documented that rise to a level to deserve scrutiny, investigation and possible prosecution.
If the entire frigging government is corrupt, then it needs to be replaced, quite frankly, one hopes by peaceful means at the ballot box and just means through the Rule of Law.
" “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR "
The Democratic Party has resurrected the term
"political machine" proudly proclaiming that it speaks well of how efficiently the party functions. It is a well-oiled machine with palms greased and favors doled out just as in the days of The infamous Tammany Hall. A party that proudly proclaims itself to be a machine is not one I want to be a part of.
"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
The main point that the Clinton foundation supporters
fail to mention is that Hillary signed an agreement with the Obama administration to keep her foundation separate from her duties as secretary of state and she agreed to do so. Except she didn't.
It isn't just the donations to the foundation after any business a government or institution had with the state department, it is that Bill was paid to give a speech before those transactions happened.
How did Bill know that the state department had business with those countries, governments, institutions or people?
Huma Abedin said in her deposition to Judicial Watch that Chelsea had access to the private server. Why? Was Chelsea part of the state department or was she giving Bill a head's up to where Hillary would be?
And what other information did Chelsea have access to on that server?
And then there is the role of Bluementhal who Obama told Hillary not to hire at the state department, so she hired him to be an information specialist for the foundation.
He sent her classified information from Libya and Sudan which he got the Sudan information from the NSA. He didn't have security clearance to be able to see that information, so why didn't the NSA go after him for stealing classified information?
And then there is Huma and Mills double and triple dipping by being paid by the state department, the foundation and and another organization at the same time.
I have previously written about the Clinton foundation Haiti scandal, so if anyone want to know what they did there, the search for it. It is so appalling that after 6 years after the earthquake, the Haitians are still living in tents while the friends of the Clintons have gotten filthy rich.
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
I agree with you about Haiti.
It's an interesting example of how the Clintons prioritize projects when faced with devastation - build luxury hotels and business parks and help cell phone companies establish market dominance while people are living in tents with need of food, shelter and infrastructure.
I read somewhere a descriptive of what they did in Haiti as "predatory humanitarianism."
" “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR "
And yet they take credit for 'fixing' Haiti
...not sure the people there feel it's fixed as far as their needs go.
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
What HRC and her Backers Fail To Realize...
My vote is not a court of law...
It is driven by my beliefs and opinion of the candidate...
The development of my beliefs and opinion does not require a conviction in a court of law, quid pro quo, or anything else to develop...
I make the rules of how develop my beliefs & opinion, and it is mine alone...
No one is required to have the same beliefs and opinions as I do...
Everyone is free to formulate their own...
It seems that my rejection of deceit and corruption in formulating my opinion is shared by quite a few people...
It is my belief & opinion that Hillary Clinton is a lying corrupt candidate, that will not receive my vote...
If it walks like a duck,
looks like a duck,
swims like a duck,
and quacks like a duck,
then it must be Hillary...
I'm the only person standing between Richard Nixon and the White House."
~John F. Kennedy~
Economic: -9.13, Social: -7.28,
They don't want our votes anyway. They're going after
disappointed Republicans.
"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
True, but
as we have just seen, our votes aren't counted.
okforahuman
True, but
as we have just seen, our votes aren't counted.
okforahuman
It was never about "quid pro quo"
It's about access. That is the quid in quid pro quo.
Donna, god lover her had this to say. This helps?
Donna Brazile just made a startling admission in her defense of Clinton Foundation
Ouch?
Prof: Nancy! I’m going to Greece!
Nancy: And swim the English Channel?
Prof: No. No. To ancient Greece where burning Sapho stood beside the wine dark sea. Wa de do da! Nancy, I’ve invented a time machine!
Firesign Theater
Stop the War!
link?
Would love to read the whole piece...
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
Saw this at NC via Reddit
https://i.sli.mg/eI3WTL.jpg
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
"Troubling"
Right above "nothing burger" and right below "questionable". Still about 20 levels down from "indictable"
...good article...
Eric Draitser doesn't mince words:
This article goes into some detail of various middle east arms deals, and is worth a read.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/08/29/hillary-and-the-clinton-foundatio...
Not so ...
Psychopaths sleep like babies - no conscience.