No more Trump Tweets!

Submitted by thanatokephaloides on Fri, 01/08/2021 - 6:28pm

BBC World News and Twitter, Inc. have reported that President Donald Trump's Twitter account has been "permanently suspended" due to his violations of Twitter policies prohibiting use of the platform to foment or glorify violence.

From the Twitter press release:

After close review of recent Tweets from the @realDonaldTrump account and the context around them — specifically how they are being received and interpreted on and off Twitter — we have permanently suspended the account due to the risk of further incitement of violence.

In the context of horrific events this week, we made it clear on Wednesday that additional violations of the Twitter Rules would potentially result in this very course of action. Our public interest framework exists to enable the public to hear from elected officials and world leaders directly. It is built on a principle that the people have a right to hold power to account in the open.

However, we made it clear going back years that these accounts are not above our rules entirely and cannot use Twitter to incite violence, among other things. We will continue to be transparent around our policies and their enforcement.

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Submitted by TheOtherMaven on Fri, 01/08/2021 - 6:39pm
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But grandstanders gotta grandstand, no matter who they are or what they stand for.

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Submitted by thanatokephaloides on Fri, 01/08/2021 - 6:49pm
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Rather pointless, as he's out in 12 days anyhow

But grandstanders gotta grandstand, no matter who they are or what they stand for.

We'll see what happens when The Donald really does become an ordinary mortal in 13 days, of course. But methinks the ban will stick. And that's a comfort, albeit a small one. Unlike the second impeachment, which is pure grandstanding, offering us working-class folks nothing whatsoever.

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Submitted by Marie on Fri, 01/08/2021 - 7:06pm

@thanatokephaloides

The 1958 Former Presidents Act assures that no president leaves office without being set for life—it guarantees a pension, access to health insurance, office space and staff, and Secret Service protection for as long as he or she wants it. There is, however, one exception: These perks are only granted to presidents who aren’t removed from office in an impeachment trial.

He can choose to resign and retain those perks, but taxpayers might welcome cutting him off from those perks that in the case of SS protection aren't chump change.

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Submitted by thanatokephaloides on Sat, 01/09/2021 - 12:26am
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He can choose to resign and retain those perks, but taxpayers might welcome cutting him off from those perks that in the case of SS protection aren't chump change.

He won't be convicted. We already have that fully proven. The scenario will be identical: the House will enact articles of impeachment, and then the process will die in the Senate for lack of votes. Please remember that although it only takes a simple majority for an impeachment to pass the House, a two-thirds majority of Senators is required for conviction and removal.

Moreover, impeachment only applies to those currently in office all the way to the last minute of the process, and the processes and standards of a Federal felony trial apply here. There is no way in hell you're going to finish such a trial in any 13 days, no how. Not without taking due process and throwing it in the trash -- a little difficult when all significant parts of the process will be broadcast on live TV as they would be (and were last time).

Moreover, you can also rest assured that regardless of whether The Donald gets his post-Presidential perks or not, we plebes will continue to pay every dime in taxes we're set to pay right now. So, as I said, nothing for ordinary Americans. Pure grandstanding.

One small point of order: I never claimed that the social disease media bans weren't principally grandstanding; they are. But other factors come into play as well. With the impeachment, there are none such; it's pure.

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Submitted by Le Frog on Fri, 01/08/2021 - 9:26pm

@TheOtherMaven for Donald Trump. I wish I could have been a fly on the wall when he learned that he'd been banned.

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Fri, 01/08/2021 - 7:08pm
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Trump is playing the patsy and pushing for violence so that social media will have an excuse to ban the president of the United States. If they can ban him and get away with it they can ban anyone. Trump should fight this if he’s not being a patsy. This is how Trump has done business his entire tenure.

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Submitted by mimi on Fri, 01/08/2021 - 7:16pm
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what they want with Trumps account and with all others. What is surprising you about it?

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Submitted by janis b on Fri, 01/08/2021 - 7:30pm
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but your comment about it being a private corporation says it all. Private corporations and organisations rule most of what we experience.

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Submitted by mimi on Fri, 01/08/2021 - 7:44pm
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@snoopydawg @janis b
I am just so upset and worried about the whole situation that my speech is a pitch too high. I should sleep, it's 3 am in the night here in my woods.

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Submitted by janis b on Fri, 01/08/2021 - 7:50pm
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it's genuine and relevant.

schöne Träume mimi

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Fri, 01/08/2021 - 7:44pm
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@mimi

We have covered this issue a few times and all social media works with the Atlantic Council which is funded by our government and foreign ones. We started writing about this back when Alex Jones was banned from all 3.

This is not the start of censorship, but the PTB have stopped hiding their actions from us and they are doing it in broad daylight and sending the message that they can ban anyone.

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Submitted by mimi on Fri, 01/08/2021 - 7:51pm
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but they are not the same as for example C-Span or NPR, right? There is a lot talked and written here, which I didn"t read or did not understand. It's beyond what I can do.

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Submitted by The Liberal Moonbat on Fri, 01/08/2021 - 8:28pm
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@snoopydawg ...all we need to do is say "NO YOU'RE NOT" and the other shoe of the Hobbesian State of Nature FINALLY drops. Not even $200B can stop a bullet - especially not in a cashless economy (ironically, a reasonable quantity of gold might)!

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Submitted by thanatokephaloides on Sat, 01/09/2021 - 12:59am
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They are private in name only.

False. They are private in name and in fact, any relationship with the Atlantic Council notwithstanding.

In fact, that's the problem. American law has been quite clear over the life of the nation that freedom of the press means, at least in part, that the owner of a press (or equivalent facility) has the right to determine what will and won't be done with it. As such owners are liable for the consequences (libel, slander, sedition, etc.) of how their facilities are used, this is understandable.

(And any such owner placing full trust in any law passed after 1990 to protect hir from liability for posters fomenting violence using their facilities needs hir head examined!)

No, the real problem here is that Twitter and Facebook are privately owned monopolies, and inherently natural monopolies at that. There can really be only one company doing what Twitter or Facebook do, as any of the several attempters to create competing social media platforms will happily tell you.

The real solution is to use the Sherman Anti-Trust Act and similar existing legislation to either break up or nationalize these monopolies, as we did with the Bell Telephone System in the 1970s. And, of course, for us plebes to not use Twitter or Facebook at all.

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Submitted by wendy davis on Sat, 01/09/2021 - 8:07am
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about the atlantic council, so thanks for that. from RT.com yesterday: ‘With unilateral censorship of a sitting US president, Big Tech has proven it’s more powerful than any government’, Helen Buyniski (excerpts):

'The smug, palpable air of ‘mission accomplished’ emanating from Facebook, Twitter and Google in the weeks after the media called November’s election for Democrat Joe Biden has been hard to ignore. Thanks to an iron grip on the political narrative and the heavy-handed suppression of any influential dissenting voices, these insanely wealthy companies and their partners in the media establishment have managed to successfully upend what was left of the US’ democratic process.

In short, they have reason to celebrate, having pulled off the first successful national-level coup-by-media in US history. And better yet — for them at least — having helped the ‘right’ guy win, they won’t have to answer to any bogus charges of Russian collusion this time around. Indeed, no less than the Department of Homeland Security came forward to declare the vote the most secure in US history — a baffling claim at best, given the same officials have spent months insisting foreign infiltration supposedly had democracy hanging by a thread.
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By distracting the public, attributing the violence that claimed five lives to the ubiquitous Radicalized Domestic Extremists™ and banning an ever-growing number of discussion topics, Facebook, Twitter, and Google can dodge a total repeal of Section 230 liability protections and live to blanket the nation in propaganda another day. Never mind the absence of visible ‘white supremacists,’ Nazis, and other undesirables supposedly leading the pro-Trump contingent — it’s always possible to Photoshop in a Nazi insignia or 12 in post.'

the ereader link: President-Elect Says Rioters Are Domestic Terrorists

WILMINGTON, Del.—President- elect Joe Biden characterized the mob that stormed the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday as domestic terrorists, referring to the violence as “one of the darkest days in the history of our nation.”

“Don’t dare call them protesters,” Mr. Biden said in remarks from Wilmington. “They were a riotous mob. Insurrectionists. Domestic terrorists. It’s that basic. It’s that simple.

Mr. Biden has said he plans to make a priority of passing a law against domestic terrorism, and he has been urged to create a White House post overseeing the fight against ideologically inspired violent extremists and increasing funding to combat them.

Federal law defines domestic terrorism as dangerous and illegal acts intended to coerce a population or influence the government. While it can be charged in some states, no generic federal crime exists.'

(below her tweet)

so...google's algorithm suppress websites on both ends of the political spectrum, AND owns youtube as well, deleted accounts an videos at will.

twitter has famously banned wikileaks, howie hawkins, and many conservatives, among others.

and now it's mozilla (firefox) saying we need More deplatforming not less. in favor of factual voices, not disinformation. who decides which are which?

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Submitted by lotlizard on Sun, 01/10/2021 - 3:26am
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archive.today, archive.is, archive.fo are all down at the moment. Did whoever was hosting their servers cut them off, I wonder? Or is some evil DNS sorcery afoot on the part of backbone companies.

Amazon (AWS) has reportedly announced it will shut off Parler’s servers at midnight Sunday.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/amazon-employees-demand-company-drop...

Winston Churchill Smith: “… a digital iron curtain has descended across the Internet.”

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Submitted by usefewersyllables on Sat, 01/09/2021 - 12:49am
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of his president-in-exile schtik in 3... 2... 1...

He’ll be a presence forever, unless they can manage to somehow surf this “Shock Doctine” wave in some way to neuter him. Won’t have much effect on his minions, though. Even if they put some heads up on pikes (looking at you, Arkansas dupe), they are all coming to rally around him, in absentia If necessary, to Right The Terrible Wrong Of 2020...

It’s a good thing that the dem consultant/grifter class are perfectly comfortable with losing elections- that is much more profitable than winning for them, anyway. They are going to get their freakin’ clocks cleaned in the next two cycles, in no small part because of the inevitable overreach we are about to see. Just stay tuned...

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Submitted by janis b on Fri, 01/08/2021 - 7:12pm
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does that give them greater permission to ban ordinary people more easily. Censorship decisions are political rather than ethical, unfortunately.

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Submitted by mimi on Fri, 01/08/2021 - 7:27pm
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neither a political, nor an ethical one? Who has the twitter corporation to ask for permission about what they do to their membership's accounts? Isn't it obvious that members, political ones and private citizen ones, are on the mercy and actually addicted slaves in the way members use it and on the mercy of those corporations and not the other way around. Twitter needs people to read and post what people write there to make a profit. So they will allow as much free speech on their platform as possible to make the largest profit. Same thing for facebook. Same reason I don't use both.

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Submitted by janis b on Fri, 01/08/2021 - 7:33pm
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in addition to never having placed much trust in the form of communication.

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Submitted by The Liberal Moonbat on Fri, 01/08/2021 - 8:35pm
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@janis b ..."social media" should be shut down and banned. It was a terrible mistake, and enough is enough. The Internet 2.0 has ruined everything that was not already ruined (including the Internet itself, and Sir Tim's plan to save his prodigal child may or may not be enough - https://inews.co.uk/news/technology/sir-tim-berners-lee-is-building-a-ne...).

IF it must exist, it must do so as a public utility - and therefore fully subject to the Bill of Rights (that, of course, is not even getting into the more fundamental issue that the Bill of Rights is nearly worthless if most Americans have to spend most of their waking hours in totalitarian states where it doesn't apply).

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Submitted by thanatokephaloides on Sat, 01/09/2021 - 1:46am
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May be it is a financial decision neither a political, nor an ethical one?

Exactly!

Who has the twitter corporation to ask for permission about what they do to their membership's accounts?

NO ONE. As a private company providing a non-essential set of services, they enjoy the "right to refuse service to anyone at any time".

Isn't it obvious that members, political ones and private citizen ones, are on the mercy and actually addicted slaves in the way members use it and on the mercy of those corporations and not the other way around. Twitter needs people to read and post what people write there to make a profit. So they will allow as much free speech on their platform as possible to make the largest profit. Same thing for facebook. Same reason I don't use both.

Dingdingdingdingding!! Give that lady a Marijuana! (I live on Colorado; I can say that!)

And I don't use either one, myself. "Social Media" is a social DISEASE!!

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Submitted by mimi on Sat, 01/09/2021 - 4:40am
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in my life. Smile
The only time I did smoke a cigarette was when I was pregnant in the seventh month, waiting for the bus to take me to what was something resembling a home (student flat bunker) in the freezing cold on the "Straße des 17. Juni' in Berlin (the one that connected (and still does) the "Siegessäule" (where Obama had his immortal kabuki theater of a reception for his 'nice words') and the "Brandenburger Tor". I was standing in front of the Technical Universities Building for "Tchnical Physical Chemistry" (I was so stupid to major in that field, really a huge mistake).

I was freezing to the bones and for some stupid idea I thought, may be a cigarette would warm me up. Oh, shit, all it did was making me cough. That was my first and last attempt to smoke. When I tell this story to my sister today (she is a severe chain smoker) she laughs and she tried again to make me smoke again. Of course I coughed, but I made her laugh.

Just a little "Schwank aud meinem Leben" (Google translates this into 'Staggering out of my life', which makes me laugh. OK, I stagger out of this thread now. Smile

Good Morning. Have a good day.

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Submitted by thanatokephaloides on Sat, 01/09/2021 - 1:11am
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I wonder, if twitter or other social media ban Trump, does that give them greater permission to ban ordinary people more easily.

No, as they are completely private companies, they already have the complete right to ban anyone, with or without reason. And Trump's use of the platforms to foment violence gave the platforms' owners plentiful reason. The "digital age" legislation of the early 2000s notwithstanding, those owners would have been held liable ($$$$) had they not banned Trump.

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Submitted by janis b on Sat, 01/09/2021 - 7:33pm
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Maybe if we banned lawyering (apologies to those who lawyer for the common good) we'd be better off.

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Submitted by on the cusp on Fri, 01/08/2021 - 8:53pm

a platform to say anything that pops into his mind for two reason. 1. preparation. 2. Posterity.

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Submitted by Dr. John Carpenter on Fri, 01/08/2021 - 9:28pm

@on the cusp I don’t know if you’d seen this but the whole storming the Capitol bit had been planned out (as much as it was) on various social media channels including r/donaldtrump on Reddit. Well, Reddit has banned that sub now. Some people will cheer this, but I would point out that there were some perceptive people (including some politicians, I believe) in DC who read the chatter and warned people to stay away for their own safety. To me, I’d rather have them planning this kind of stuff out in the open than in the darker corners of the Internet. Because banning trumps Twitter or a trump related subreddit won’t stop this kind of stuff from happening.

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Submitted by The Liberal Moonbat on Fri, 01/08/2021 - 9:34pm
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@Dr. John Carpenter Prohibition doesn't work - or rather, it technically might, but the tradeoff is inevitably worse.

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Submitted by on the cusp on Fri, 01/08/2021 - 9:57pm

@Dr. John Carpenter The lack of extra police, the videos showing them opening the gaits and URGING the "protesters" to go, go, go...into the capitol building is something sane, reasonable people, which doesn't include cops, should have known and been prepared to handle.
I am not a censorship fan, although I have grown up about 40 miles from the KKK top guy, the Grand Dragon.
I want to know where he is, what he is doing, and if he gets pushed underground, then what?
Splendora, Texas, is a hotbed of KKK. Not sure is the GD is still there.

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Fri, 01/08/2021 - 10:45pm
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They said that they too often promote violence and that is against Twitter rules. Reddit not too long ago banned hundreds of subreddits. I don’t remember the reason they did that, but on way of the burn they often talk about backup sites so they’re still worried about it. Like I said censorship has been here for some time. It’s just out in the open now.

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Fri, 01/08/2021 - 11:31pm
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General Flynn Sydney Powell on top of the Q supporters. Reddit banned R/Donald too. Twitter has statements on why they did what they did. Lots of good information.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/cancel-crusade-reignites-reddit-bans...

The company's Friday ban-hammer comes on the heels of several other platforms taking actions against Trump or his supporters. As Axios notes:

Twitch and Snapchat disabled Trump's accounts.
Shopify took down two online stores affiliated with the president.
Facebook and Instagram banned Trump from posting for at least the next two weeks, and faced calls to boot him permanently, including from former First Lady Michelle Obama and high-ranking Hill Democrats.
Twitter froze Trump out of his account Wednesday before reinstating him Thursday once he deleted problematic tweets.
YouTube says it's accelerating its enforcement of voter fraud claims against President Trump and others based on Wednesday's events.
TikTok is removing content violations and redirecting hashtags like #stormthecapitol and #patriotparty to its community guidelines.

And in what's got to be the icing on the cancel cake, Lehigh University just revoked a 33-year-old honorary degree given to President Trump in 1988, after the school's board of trustees voted to do so on Thursday following the violence in the Capitol.

It seems like these institutions were just waiting for the right excuse...

Wow. Most of the companies are friends with democrats more than republicans and even if that wasn’t true, it’s what the right believes. So all this banning is just going to rile them up more. It’s almost like someone is pulling the strings. One of the pre election articles about what could happen if Trump loses was how his supporters would flood the streets and things will get so bad that the national guard is called out across the country and eventually we get martial law. Sure looks like we’re heading that way.

Thoughts?

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Submitted by thanatokephaloides on Sat, 01/09/2021 - 1:49am
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Twitter has banned thousands of people who are Q supporters

They said that they too often promote violence and that is against Twitter rules. Reddit not too long ago banned hundreds of subreddits. I don’t remember the reason they did that, but on way of the burn they often talk about backup sites so they’re still worried about it. Like I said censorship has been here for some time. It’s just out in the open now.

It's always been here. The kind of free speech and free press envisioned in the First Amendment was killed irretrievably dead the first time libel, slander, and sedition were recognized as punishable by law in any way by the newborn USA. (Remember, the Alien and Sedition Acts were never repealed; technically, they're still on the books!) Bad

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Submitted by yellopig on Fri, 01/08/2021 - 9:34pm
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BFD, they shut him down with, what? 12 days to go?

Where have the Twitter team been all this time, with their banning authority? How impressed should we really be with this late parade of their moral righteousness?

Gimme a break! This is just virtue signalling. I'm not impressed. Nea

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Submitted by lotlizard on Sat, 01/09/2021 - 4:25am
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will be dead in 12 days, so it’s time to move on to the next big thing, the next big attention draw, the next social emotion-stirring phenomenon they can milk for clicks, ad views, and profits.

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Submitted by Cant Stop the M... on Sat, 01/09/2021 - 11:37am
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All it's doing is setting a precedent so they can shut down more people, and do it with more credibility.

They can't stop Donald Trump from fomenting violence by keeping him off Twitter. So the real effect of this is that it makes Twitter look like it's on the side of the angels (which it isn't), and gives them automatic credibility when they want to silence people.

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Submitted by lotlizard on Sun, 01/10/2021 - 3:41am
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He was wise to try to stay away from politics.

Here's to the crazy ones [visual: begin montage of photos of Donald Trump, segueing into Capitol protesters]… the misfits … the rebels … the troublemakers … the round pegs in the square holes … the ones who see things differently. They're not fond of rules. You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them, but the only thing you can't do is ignore them — because they change things. They push the human race forward. And while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius, because the ones who are crazy enough to think that they can change the world, are the ones who do.

[close to text of motto: “Think Different.”]

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