The Nation of Catalonia

Has a nice ring to it.

By now, if you had any interest, and probably even if you didn't, you know that today's referendum on independence in Catalonia came with a few incidents. The Guardia Civil, lovelies of the Franco era, and the State Police of Spain invaded polling stations with sledge hammers, dragged Catalonians out by their hair, truncheoned more with an atavistic abandon, and fired rubber bullets into crowds. The national police forces faced off with Catalan police (the Mossos) at times, though those Catalan police also had closed more polling stations than anyone else. The national police forces truncheoned Catalan firefighters who tried to get between the police and the civilians on the streets. At most recent count, 844 Catalonians were injured, and two remain in the hospital. Barcelona's mayor and several other leaders have called for Spanish Prime Minister Rajoy to step down.

At the end of the day, after polls closed, the following occurred.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2017/oct/01/catalan-independence-...

Carles Puigdemont, Catalan’s leader, announced in a televised statement that the region had earned the right to become an independent state and that results of the contentious referendum were expected in a few days.

In a press conference shortly before, a defiant Mariano Rajoy, the Spanish prime minister, said no referendum had been held today and blamed unrest on the Catalan government.

Socialist leader Pedro Sánchez urged the Spanish government to negotiate with Catalonia and said Spanish and Catalan leaders had failed so far.

So, the ones calling for the referendum are saying they're ready to declare independence unilaterally. Spain says the referendum never happened, so Catalonia has no grounds to declare independence, and the Socialists just want everyone to get along.

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UPDATE, 7:20 pm EST

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2017/oct/01/catalan-independence-...

In that referendum that never happened, . . .

Jordi Turull, a Catalan regional government spokesman, said early on Monday that 90% of the 2.26 million Catalans who voted on Sunday voted in favour of independence. The region has 5.3 million voters.

He said nearly 8% of voters rejected independence and the rest of the ballots were blank or void. He said 15,000 votes were still being counted.

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Meanwhile, forty labor unions and other Catalan organizations are calling for a regionwide strike on Tuesday, ostensibly in protest of Spain's handling of this vote, or not vote.

Of course there is posturing and claims of victory before the dust has cleared to see who's standing where. But this is far from over. Spain's actions discredited them.

Reactions from others throughout Europe have been mostly tepid. Corbyn was probably the most critical, and spoke up early in the cycle. Everyone (almost) agrees the police were a problem. No one is urging independence, though.

Guy Verhofstadt, the European parliament’s Brexit chief, said:

"I don’t want to interfere in the domestic issues of Spain but I absolutely condemn what happened today in Catalonia."

Scottish first minister Nicola Sturgeon said:

"Regardless of views on independence, we should all condemn the scenes being witnessed and call on Spain to change course before someone is seriously hurt."

Britain’s foreign ministry said:

"The referendum is a matter for the Spanish government and people. We want to see Spanish law and the Spanish constitution respected and the rule of law upheld."

Belgium prime minister Charles Michel said:

"Violence can never be the answer! We condemn all forms of violence and reaffirm our call for political dialogue."

Serbian foreign minister Ivica Dacic said:

"Our position is clear and principled, Spain is one of the greatest friends of Serbia.

“[Madrid] is in the same position on the issue of the territorial integrity of Serbia."

French economy minister Bruno Le Maire said:

"Spain is a friendly nation, a proud people. Clearly I hope that civil peace will reign in Spain."

So, diplomatically clear but mostly weak reactions as befits politicians who will sense the need to work with each other again. And a response from Serbia that only Rajoy could welcome as a pat on the back from a friend.

Though Catalonia generates more wealth than most regions of Spain (which is why Spain wants to keep it and partly why Catalonians are considering leaving), and though Catalonians share at least as much or more culturally with the people of southern France than with most of Spain, remember, Europe liked Spain under the rule of Franco. Law-and-order suppression of the populace appeals to European political and business leaders who have spent centuries in conflict with each other. The EU also liked Greece under iron control.

But the Spanish response today will have done nothing in the minds of Catalonians to tamp down any independence movement, just the opposite. This is not over.

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I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish

"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"

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I'll just drop this here as a related topic. It could be a full essay if someone cares to run with it.

First, a short summary of "nationalist, white supremacists" groups in eleven European countries and Russia:

The Return of Fascism:
From Germany to Greece, far-right nationalists are attacking migrants, raiding mosques, and winning elections.

https://newrepublic.com/article/144954/return-fascism-germany-greece-far...

Second:

Nazis March Into Germany's Parliament

Originally, the AfD was a free-market, pro-capitalism, anti-European party establishing itself to the right of Merkel’s conservatives. Today, it favours racism, Nazi glorification, anti-Semitism, is anti-Islamic and staunchly against anything remotely progressive (e.g. the left, trade unions, etc.).

www.counterpunch.org/2017/09/26/nazis-march-into-germanys-parliament/

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"They'll say we're disturbing the peace, but there is no peace. What really bothers them is that we are disturbing the war." Howard Zinn

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should be the result of what the people want. If Catalunians (yes, I remember it as Catalunia with a tilde over the "n") want independence, then they should be allowed to have it.

I visited Spain when I was a student back in the 0's when Franco ruled over it and it was like entering an occupied country. Back then, we had to walk across the border after going through rigorous interviews. The trains in Spain were not interconnected with the trains in the rest of Europe. But even then, Barcelona was a very cosmopolitan city compared to the rest of Spain which still showed the effects of the Spanish Civil War.

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“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

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The Spanish Spring. The more the fascist cops and Spanish government try to keep the people of Catalonia from independence, the more likely they are to drive them toward it.

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Though Catalonia generates more wealth than most regions of Spain (which is why Spain wants to keep it and partly why Catalonians are considering leaving), and though Catalonians share at least as much or more culturally with the people of southern France than with most of Spain,

Most linguists today consider Catalan and Occitan to be dialects of a single language. And I actually saw pro-independence campaign signs on BBC World News reading "Òc!" ("Yes!") which is Occitan; the term in Catalan is "Si!". Much of the rest is the same in the two tongues.

Occitania (i.e., southern France) also has an independentist movement, expressing itself as Partit Occitan and in the Calandreta school movement.

And it's true: Occitania (including "French" Catalunya) and Catalonia have more in common with one another than either have with France or Spain.

But the Spanish response today will have done nothing in the minds of Catalonians to tamp down any independence movement, just the opposite. This is not over.

And now, it won't be over until Catalonia is independent of Spain. If you compare the timelines of the American and Catalan Revolutions, today is the Catalans' Boston Tea Party.

France, of course, doesn't like any of this. If Catalonia succeeds in becoming independent, Occitania is next (and would probably form a union with Catalonia if independence was achieved).

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@thanatokephaloides

Yup, the acknowledgement of Occitania was behind that sentence I wrote.

When I was in Barcelona shortly after Franco's end, no one would speak Spanish except in government offices. We got by just fine once we discovered that everyone spoke French, as many had spent some time in exile during the Franco years. The other thing that was striking was the considerable number of babies and the dearth of children older than those. It appeared the Catalonians had held off on having children until their enemy was dead. Catalonia is decidedly not Spain.

Catalonia is one of the places I have felt at home. I facetiously think it may have something to do with my family's originally being Occitan French.

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@dance you monster Catalans would prefer to speak French or English rather than Spanish. I found it a bit surprising at the time, but there was clearly a strong desire for greater autonomy and cultural preservation.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

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@dkmich

Those vids today looked mighty familiar.

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Oh, the internet photoshopping that would happen for a place names Catalonia.

"I haz gotz country!"

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You can't get any more authentic than the Institute of Internet Diagrams (IID).

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if Rajoy lasts the week.

His minority coalition government only survived a no confidence vote in June because the Socialists abstained.

Tough to see that happening again.

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The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?

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It’s hard to take them seriously when they now try to equate Trump or whoever with fascism.

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@lotlizard that among the many evil things that Franco did was to try to destroy the Catalan cultural identity.

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@Roy Blakeley

And let's not forget that among the many evil things that Franco did was to try to destroy the Catalan cultural identity.

And the Catalans haven't forgotten it, either.

The cry of "Franco!" in response to yesterday's violence by Spanish police and anti-independence Spaniards was prominent in the news reports I saw.

RT: Has Spain reverted to Franco-style military dictatorship?

Al-Jazeera on the Catalan Referendum

BBC on the referendum violence

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@Dumbo

Nothing in the Catalan referendum raised religion. That said, if any individual wants to reprise an old sect, such as Catharism, who's to say they shouldn't? Catharism was a gentle religion, as opposed to the Inquisition the Dominicans enacted to make sure no one would hold such a gentle heresy again. If someone wants to be Cathar, I'd be no more concerned than if another wants to be Wiccan.

The references to Occitania upthread refer to a culture of the region, on both the French and Catalan sides of the border, that never entirely disappeared, despite the French and Spanish governments' efforts to dispel it and replace it with their own. The referendum was to let the Catalan populace express its interest in the question: Should the culture and governance of Catalonia be what Spain decides it should be, or what the Catalonian people want it to be? Who should get to decide that?

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@dance you monster

Nothing in the Catalan referendum raised religion. That said, if any individual wants to reprise an old sect, such as Catharism, who's to say they shouldn't? Catharism was a gentle religion, as opposed to the Inquisition the Dominicans enacted to make sure no one would hold such a gentle heresy again. If someone wants to be Cathar, I'd be no more concerned than if another wants to be Wiccan.

And it appears that there are, indeed, reconstructionist Cathars throughout the world today.

This site is a good place to check Catharism out.

Wink

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@dance you monster
I only know about Catharism and Occitan because of Kate Mosse's excellent novel Labyrinth about the papal siege of Carcasonne. As religions go, Catharism sounds cool. Catalonia and that whole region have a rich, separate culture that has been chipped away at but still endures, to some extent. I think I do wonder if the Occ language and Catharism could make a comeback in a Catalonian Republic. It would be interesting.

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@dance you monster
I only know about Catharism and Occitan because of Kate Mosse's excellent novel Labyrinth about the papal siege of Carcasonne. As religions go, Catharism sounds cool. Catalonia and that whole region have a rich, separate culture that has been chipped away at but still endures, to some extent. I think I do wonder if the Occ language and Catharism could make a comeback in a Catalonian Republic. It would be interesting.

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"Bi-polar? I'm Bi-winning!!!" -- Charlie Sheen

of Catalonia independence going on now at Pat Lang's site.

http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2017/10/httpswwwnytim...

Many well-informed opinions are presented here -- pro and con and various degrees in between. This referendum is not as simple, black-and-white an issue as it might at first appear.

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dance this monster. i hope it's okay to drop my diary on catalonia, largely by storify and other essayists' reports on history, both past and contemporary. there were only two other comments on it past my updates, zero on mine on puerto rico. baffling to me, but so it goes.

'Oct. 1: the Massive Police Brutalization of Catalan Independence Referendum Voters', café babylon

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in Iraq, last week.

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Beware the bullshit factories.