My Daughter Shocked Me Yesterday

I've written before about my daughter and I, and the undue influence she exerted over my decision to support and vote for Bernie Sanders. In all honesty, though, I probably would have come around to voting for him anyway, but she did speed up the process. And one thing for certain, I never would have contributed as much money to him (more than any other politician in my lifetime), had she not helped me see the light. When it comes to acting on one's values, she has me beaten six ways to Sunday.

I fully disclose all this to put into context what I am about to tell you.

Yesterday afternoon, while I was fooling around on my desktop computer (yeah, they still exist), my iPhone beeped at me. It could have been anyone, but it was my daughter. And she had a problem. Normally, I'm not exactly her go-to person when it comes to most matters that require parental guidance (that's my poor wife), but it seems this was something she felt best bringing up with me. Here's the initial message she texted:

I don't want to vote for Hillary if she wins

This was followed shortly thereafter by her second text:

I would rather vote for a third party candidate

Now you need to know something about my little girl (hey, she's shorter and weighs less than me, so I can still say that!): she hates REPUBLICANS with a passion. She got into a great deal of trouble once with my mother and sister because she compared Fox News to Nazi propagandists, a dispute that they took to mean she was calling them out as Nazis for listening to it. My daughter and my mother (and I also for defending my youngest child) amicably resolved the matter the next day (basically my mother agreed that she had overreacted to my daughter's opinions regarding Fox as a news source). Unfortunately, this incident created a rift with my extremely right wing sister (my daughter's favorite aunt up until then) such that my sister made it clear she never wants to have anything to do with either of us ever again. And for the past several years she has kept to her vow.

So, two points to take away here. One, my daughter views Republican politicians, their policies and and "values" as evil incarnate, and two, she is willing to suffer the consequences that come from for standing up for what she believes in.

Nonetheless, I was surprised to hear her say she did not want to vote for Clinton in the general election.

It's not like we spent a great deal of time over the last few months talking over what she should do if Hillary won the nomination. I am fairly certain, however, that I indicated voting for the lesser of two evils is something that we, as Americans, are sometimes forced to do. I may have even told her I would vote for the Democratic candidate no matter who won, considering my other options, or at least I probably said that last year before the primary season got underway. In any case, her text message to me was a clear sign that she felt greatly upset over the prospect that Clinton would be the party's nominee and not Sanders. Upset enough to tell me she would rather vote for a third party candidate, despite knowing that person would have no chance of winning.

In truth, I only recently registered as a Democrat last October, after having been an independent most of my life. The sole reason I did so was so I could vote for Bernie in the New York primary on Tuesday. My daughter, on the other hand, registered immediately when she came of age as a proud Democrat. She's always belonged to a myriad of volunteer groups and non-profit charitable organizations throughout her young life, and she has the knack of talking to people who hold political, social or religious beliefs that are the polar opposite of her own, and somehow making them her friends. Sometimes, she even manages to change their minds. It's a skill set I certainly lack.

I knew that my daughter's message to me meant she wanted, not advice, per se, but something to help her decide if voting for a third party candidate in her first Presidential election was okay, and not a betrayal of her own values and loyalties. She didn't want to be told what to do, she just wanted to hear that it wasn't wrong to feel the way she did.

So, after a moment, this is what I texted back to her:

You decide who you vote for. Jill Stein of the Green Party is one option.

That appeared to do the trick. No more messages were forthcoming. I'd let her know, in effect, that she was, after all, an adult, and that this was her decision to make of her own free will. She wasn't bound to vote for a candidate she didn't believe in, even if she belonged to that candidate's party. And I let her know of at least one third party candidate who will be on the ballot this Fall in New York.

Now, I get that this is a personal story, a small little anecdote, that may have little if any relevance to whether young people who now enthusiastically support Bernie Sanders will vote in November for Hillary Clinton if she is the Democratic Party's standard bearer. But, I do not think she is unusual among younger Bernie supporters. On the contrary, she likely represents, at the moment, the predominant mood of those among her generation who are passionately behind Bernie's campaign, not just because of the man he is, but because of the values he represents and has represented for years. Many of them see Hillary Clinton as untrustworthy, a corporate sell-out and a phony, and someone who could give a damn about them or their future.

They have been subjected to derision, scorn, insults, slanders and slurs by Clinton campaign surrogates, and by the candidate herself. They've been characterized as predominantly male (not true) or silly, stupid bimbos looking for where the boys are instead of standing up for their rightful champion. They been shamed, bullied and their issues belittled or ignored by the tone deaf Clinton campaign, which prefers to assume they will come around and vote for her in the end to stop Trump or Cruz or whomever the Republicans nominate, rather than promise any action to specifically address their generation's very real concerns.

So, is my daughter a harbinger of what might happen in November or just another extreme outlier whose opinion won't matter when push comes to shove this Fall? I can't say. My prophetic powers have always been weak when it comes to politics. But what I do know is that Bernie Sanders would be by far the better candidate to engage young people, who are the very people most likely to volunteer and work to elect, not only Bernie, but Democrats up and down the ticket, particularly if, as is usually the case, they got in line with their nominee's agenda.

So, I sincerely hope my daughter doesn't have to chose between a third party candidate or the Democratic nominee. If Bernie is the latter, and he should be, and I pray those of us in New York do our part to make it so, we all win.

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I'm really hoping Bernie clinches the Dem nomination. However I think that the elite has ways and means to block.

So if he doesn't win, I was thinking that Jill Stein should choose him as her VP. That would really change the landscape of the election. Could be a winning combination.

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and someone pointed out that Stein and Sanders really don't get along all that well. Plus, I believe Sanders will have to go back to the Senate after the election (unless he wins the White House) and have to work with the Democrats still there. If he runs 3rd party (either independently or as part of a Green ticket) and Clinton loses to Trump or Cruz, he'll get blamed and likely lose all influence he already had -- no plum committee assignments, amendments buried, etc.

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In my household, it is my newly-turned 17 year old son who is shocked and scared to hear me say I will not vote for Hillary if she is the nominee. He knows that his dad and I raised him to never, ever vote or trust Republicans, but this worried him more than when I went off my meds last year.(long story) My husband does not say anything about that, but he has picked up my copy of Thomas Frank's "Listen Liberal" and, as he is in international development work, and working in the DC area (while we live in North Carolina) he recognizes a lot of what Frank says. Now, my son still adores Obama, so I am not about to give him the full force of Frank's thoughts on establishment Dems, but it is really like an earthquake in my home.
#BernieorBust but let's hope it does not come to that.

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riverlover's picture

I have not broached that with my adult children. I am a grown-up and feel no need to be a "good citizen" role model anymore.

No matter what, Steven D, you did not react with shock and horror. That is good.

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featheredsprite's picture

A Stein/Sanders ticket would have an effect on the general election. Most Bernie supporters would have no problem with the Green Party. And Presidential elections are open, so voters wouldn't have to change registration. Bernie would have to change his registration but according to the interwebs that is easy to do.

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SnappleBC's picture

to the idea that Bernie should join the Green Party and create a Sanders/Stein ticket. That just seemed rude beyond my ability to accept. However, the idea of a Stein/Sanders ticket has almost visceral appeal.

But honestly he won't do it. Or, at least, I hope he won't. One of the strongest reasons I support Sanders is that he is a man of integrity. I see no honorable way he can go back on his previous statements and run against Clinton on a Green ticket. Unlike Hillary and her supporters, my sense of ethics is not that malleable.

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telebob's picture

I would not take the road through Moria vote for Hillary unless I had no other choice!

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Had the same experience in reverse here, with my mom. In a phone conversation a few months back, she said something like, "If Bernie doesn't get the nomination, I will for the first time ever stay home on election day. That woman will never get my vote." I was shocked at the time, and surprised because I had assumed it was only younger folks who were Bernie or bust. My mom's 64. Being still of the old lesser evil mindset, I tried to convince her to rethink because Supreme Court, women's rights, etc.

But then... Things happened. Merrick Garland. Okay, that argument gone. Hillary's lies about Bernie's auto bailout vote, Henry fucking Kissinger, etc ad nauseum. Suffice it to say I came around to Mom's way of thinking pretty quickly. I won't withold my vote completely (in WA state, so there's less risk in a write-in, or going Stein), but it would take nothing short of a miracle for Hillary to get it. My 22-year-old son is the same.

It's funny, for all the dnc talk about party loyalty, they sure don't seem to get what it means to be loyal to a cause. They only want "loyalty" when it works in THEIR favor (and pads their pockets). And I'm just DONE playing along with their mind games and fear mongering. Here's an idea: how about the dem party starts exhibiting loyalty to the progressive causes they claim to champion? A radical idea, right?

So it's not so much Bernie I'm loyal to, but rather the vision of a brighter future -- and the determination to see that vision to fruition. If the democratic party starts honoring that vision someday, rather than ridiculing and marginalizing it, they'll get my loyalty. I'm not holding my breath, though.

Honestly, if I wanted to be used, sneered at, and told my dreams are too big, I would have become a republican. Loyalty... Pppttffft.

What you told your daughter was perfect. The beauty of democracy is that we're all supposed to have the opportunity to make our preferences known.

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it won't be necessary to convince her.

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but simply leave the Presidential line blank -- I'm considering doing that if Clinton's the nominee, since if she's in danger of losing California my lone vote isn't going to dig her out of that shitpile. At the very least though there are probably down-ticket races or local/state measures that need your mom's support or veto.

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Lookout's picture

I hope we avoid the scenario. Let's keep our focus and elect Bernie....if they don't steal it from us.

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Thanks for your personal diary.

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I would consider voting for her if I lived in a swing state. If she needs my vote in this blue state that would mean she's in a whole lotta trouble nationwide.

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Ravensword's picture

If not, then there's really no reason to vote for her. Unless you feel a little bit awkward about not voting for the candidate that could potentially be the first female POTUS. That would really feel awkward. Damn!

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I had been flirting with the idea of voting Green, but was still holding on to some lingering Democratic Party loyalty. My mom, who voted for Bernie in Michigan, told me there is no way she can vote for Hillary. That admission by her was all it took for me to let go of of the guilt and fear I was experiencing. Still rooting for a Bernie win, but will be voting for Jill should that not happen.

P.S. Ballots will be mailed out here in Oregon in a couple of weeks. The social justice team at my church, of which I am part, has been registering folks to vote and educating them about the closed primary and the need to select a party to vote.

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Simply cannot vote for Hillary Clinton. As a 70-year-old woman, I am theoretically more likely to favor her than Bernie. Bernie, however, has inspired me to donate money and to canvass and caucus and has caused me to weep with pleasure on more than one occasion listening to him. He is unique qmong political candidates in my voting lifetime, as far as I can tell. Assorted experiences involving Clinton during my years in the Foreign Service also jaundice my view of her..... No Way. Daring to hope he does well in NY and prevails to get the nomination.

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"Be kind whenever possible. It is always possible." 14th Dalai Lama

about why BernieOrBust is so strong. As I see it, the incredible contrast between Hillary and Bernie has drawn a stark difference between politician as salesperson (Hillary sells any narrative to win) vs. politician as public servant (Bernie has generally been extremely consistent in voting and advocating his values). This Democratic primary election has also brought to light how the 'liberal' business establishment has fully taken over and corrupted the Democratic Party. (Part of the cheerleading and impetus for both of Pres. Obama's elections was the historical nature of our first black president, not solely his mainstream corporate policy positions.) With both major parties fully under the influence of big money, Bernie is the only alternative candidate. If Hillary wins the primary, neither major party candidate offers a vision of progress. Given the choice of social regression (Republicans) or (at most) modest progress (Democrats), a third party candidate offers a more optimistic future.

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rezolution's picture

And I have no feeling of loyalty to the Democratic Party at this point.

Hillary Clinton represents the continuation of war and the failure to take climate change seriously, and if the Party continues to support her then they will be complicit in leading the human race to its own destruction.

The world needs Bernie to win the nomination. If he doesn't then we're totally screwed unless someone comes up with another way to get him in the White House.

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For some reason the thumbs up link doesn't work for me....so instead here you go "thumbs up".

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