Kyrstal takes on Warren's smear on Bernie

Well said, Kyrstal.

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snoopydawg's picture

Brace Yourself Sanders Supporters, It’s Going to Get Ugly

With Sanders surging in the polls and racking up progressive endorsements leading up to the first primaries, and both rival candidates and the wider Democratic establishment openly admitting their nervousness about his very good chances of winning, the likelihood was high that Sanders was going to face a torrent of negativity.

What may be surprising is who’s joining in — Elizabeth Warren. Some mild jabs late last year aside, the two candidates have mostly avoided criticizing each other directly. In fact, last Democratic debate, after Warren’s attack on Pete Buttigieg’s wine cave fundraiser backfired, with both he and the media criticizing Warren for having attended similar big money fundraisers in the past, Sanders came to her defense, hitting Buttigieg and Joe Biden (and, pointedly, not Warren) for their prolific fundraising from billionaires.

Now, it seems the gloves are off.

Let’s be clear about what is going on here. The Warren campaign, in concert with a media that has been either hostile to or dismissive of Sanders and is itching for controversy, is trying to turn a nonstory into a scandal and attack Sanders with a narrative recycled from Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign.

How can you know? There’s the banality of the offending statement itself, an innocuous argument about Warren’s electability that every single other campaign is almost certainly making some version of to voters about Sanders (and which he himself has weathered nonstop since 2015). If low-level volunteers making this mild criticism is now considered a step too far, then Democrats have become markedly more sensitive since 2008, which saw the scurrilous (and sometimes breathtakingly racist) fight to the death between Clinton and Barack Obama.

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America is a pathetic nation; a fascist state fueled by the greed, malice, and stupidity of her own people.
- strife delivery

as though you have not been splattered with enough chicken shit today, start at 4:40 in this video.

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thanatokephaloides's picture

@entrepreneur

...... the muck gets raked.

If you can only watch 30 seconds of Krystal, and you feel as though you have not been splattered with enough chicken shit today, start at 4:40 in this video.

I could watch Madame Ball for days on end. Reading the residential listings for Topeka, Kansas.

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"I say enough! If Israel wants to be the only superpower in the Middle East then they can put their own asses on the line and do it themselves. I want to continue to eat."
-- snoopydawg

PriceRip's picture

          I didn't vote for Hillary, and for the same set of reasons I won't for Warren.

          Does that mean I am a sexist, you decide!!!

          Those that would say I am a sexist can not possibly know me, so go figure, any opinion you may have has no basis in Reality. And, by the way there IS an objective Reality involved in this situation. Those that suggest otherwise are hopelessly lost!

RIP

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"I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant."
Robert J. McCloskey, U.S. State Department spokesman. From a press briefing during the Vietnam war.

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@PriceRip

I will not vote for Warren ...

I didn't vote for Hillary, and for the same set of reasons I won't for Warren.

Does that mean I am a sexist, you decide!!!

Most of us, myself included, know you better than that!

Myself, I think Krystal Ball ought to run herself, if not now, then in 2024 or 2028.

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"I say enough! If Israel wants to be the only superpower in the Middle East then they can put their own asses on the line and do it themselves. I want to continue to eat."
-- snoopydawg

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@thanatokephaloides

          To hang someone because of an isolated phrase is ridiculous. The problem, as you know, is that it is impossible to "cover all the bases" to prevent someone from misrepresenting virtually anything someone might say without extensive elaboration providing context to satisfy the demands of the most pedantic observer/reporter that might stumble upon the soliloquy whether it be presented as a transcript or audio …

RIP

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"I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant."
Robert J. McCloskey, U.S. State Department spokesman. From a press briefing during the Vietnam war.

Eagles92's picture

I haven't formed my thoughts well enough to make an essay out of it, so I thought I'd post it here (hope you don't mind, snoop -- I feel like it's related to this story, but if I've hijacked, please feel free to call me out).

After the lead-up to 2016, when Sanders got ZERO acknowledgment that he was a potential contender (never mind a leading one) -- and when any mention of him was, "But socialist!" -- I've become increasingly uncomfortable these days.

Suddenly, even the MSM is reporting on his successes in the polls, and running stories to the effect of, "the Democratic establishment is running scared."

It's starting to feel like a set-up to me. As in, he's going to be the patsy.

I can actually see a scenario where he wins the nomination (uncontested by the DNC, unlike last time), only to "lose" to Trump. And that loss will previously have been agreed upon by TPTB.

Why? As proof that "socialists" can't win. Threat effectively crushed until the planet burns.

(This is one of many reasons why I hate that Bernie insists on running as a D).

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@Eagles92

...Bernie has been playing HIS game.

He has not been playing his opponent's game. That gives him an advantage.

He has always known the obstacles he faces, but he has pushed on as if they weren't there.
He leads with his message and his vision. He doesn't hide his commitment to the wellbeing of society as a whole over the winner-take-all triumph of a single individual or class — who then drains the lifeblood and the opportunities out of the hard-built civilization that made extraordinary achievements possible.

That's the socialist attitude.

Our civilization is a platform from which we can launch into a better future. Generation upon generation labored to build this civilization with us in mind. It wasn't built so a billionaire could one day own it. It wasn't built so an authoritarian could control it and it certainly wasn't built to be seized by a military junta or a corporate monopoly. Our civilization was built by people, for people and it is our rightful inheritance. We are to share it and protect it for those who will come after us. A civilization nurtures and educates the individual. It gives the individual opportunities and a marketplace and protection and a platform to launch from. But the individual must give back most of what he or she takes from the civilization so that it strengthens and endures to support the dreams of the next generation. No individual or corporation can be allowed to seize all the spoils and run off with them, leaving behind a ragged dystopia.

I think Bernie knows if he dilutes or slow-walks this message or packages it in a stingy way that produces scarcity instead of wellbeing, then he's bringing nothing at all to the table. Without a complete commitment to the vision, and the intention of follow-through, the people will become distracted and the gathered potential will be sucked into the war machine for the last time. The other candidates used his message to attract the People and elevate themselves. They rode the wave of potential and hope until they began using weasel words. Little by little they subverted the vision of empowerment for the people, weakening it until the benefits began to flow toward the Big-Money Donors who were buying their campaigns. The people instantly lost interest in them.

I say let Bernie run with it and let us support him. We are all he has, and he is what we've been given.

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@Pluto's Republic

Thanks.

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@Pluto's Republic

          Trump's managers (puppet masters) are working around the clock to destroy several decades of scientific protocol, administration-wide. I know what it will take to restore the functioning of the EPA, as an example of just one agency. As they used to say in Tucson, "If you hear the CONALRAD Alert just bend over and kiss your ass goodbye."

          I can only hope individuals did not shell the files and shred the hard copies, because it will take some time to "get up to speed" even if the SOP Documents are available after this nightmare ends.

RIP

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"I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant."
Robert J. McCloskey, U.S. State Department spokesman. From a press briefing during the Vietnam war.

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@Pluto's Republic

I say let Bernie run with it and let us support him. We are all he has, and he is what we've been given.

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@Eagles92

Yeah I can see how this works out for us. The DNC does let Bernie win, but then they clear the field for Trump and we can kiss any progressive agendas goodbye.

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America is a pathetic nation; a fascist state fueled by the greed, malice, and stupidity of her own people.
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@snoopydawg

They are the 1%.

We are the 99%.

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thanatokephaloides's picture

@Wally

Don't give those bastards that much power

They are the 1%.

We are the 99%.

And Bernie scares the pants off the 1%. Especially now that it's becoming clearer by the day that the "ignore him and he'll go away" tactic is NOT working!

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"I say enough! If Israel wants to be the only superpower in the Middle East then they can put their own asses on the line and do it themselves. I want to continue to eat."
-- snoopydawg

snoopydawg's picture

@Wally

How's that been working out for us? Congress just keeps piling on and yet here we still sit. I thought the tax cuts would have done it, but sadly people think that they worked out just fine for them. For now maybe, but wait till they expire.

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America is a pathetic nation; a fascist state fueled by the greed, malice, and stupidity of her own people.
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The only two outcomes is:

1) it hurts Bernie and hurts Warren
2) it helps Bernie and hurts Warren

Bernie needs to say, clearly, on stage that this is a lie (like he's already done).
How he says it will determine if it hurts his campaign.

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Wally's picture

@gjohnsit

And double tag-team Biden.

But the moderators will keep pressing the Bernie is a sexist meme.

I'm hoping Klobuchar will say nice things about Bernie like at the last debate.

Buttigieg will focus on what he thinks are witty and hip one-liners taking shots at Bernie and Warren.

Maybe Steyer and Yang will be ignored by the moderators.

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Hawkfish's picture

This is one of the oldest and most effective tricks in politics. Every hack in the business has used it in times of trouble, and it has even been elevated to the level of political mythology in a story about one of Lyndon Johnson’s early campaigns in Texas.

“The race was close and Johnson was getting worried. Finally he told his campaign manager to start a massive rumour campaign about his opponent’s life-long habit of enjoying carnal knowledge of his barnyard sows.

“Christ, we can’t get away with calling him a pig-f****r,” the campaign manager protested. “Nobody’s going to believe a thing like that.”

“I know,” Johnson replied. “But let’s make the sonofab****h deny it.”

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Not Henry Kissinger's picture

What a perfect time for the last fauxgressive in the field to score a spectacular own goal and clear the way for Bernie vs. Joe.

No matter how often they try it, the Hillary flunkies now running Liz's campaign NEVER learn that going negative on Bernie only ever makes him more popular.

Let's hope they never do.

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