Julian Assange to be expelled from the Ecuadorian Embassy

Briefing for the Council of Europe: Why Opposing Julian Assange's Extradition to the U.S. Matters for European Democracy (PDF)

BRIEFING FOR THE COUNCIL OF EUROPE

WHY OPPOSING JULIAN ASSANGE’S EXTRADITION TO THE U.S. MATTERS FOR EUROPEAN DEMOCRACY

Summary

- The Trump Administration has confirmed that the US government has charged WikiLeaks’ publisher Julian Assange and that it seeks his extradition from the UK.[2] In the US, he faces life in prison. The US actions are a serious threat to European freedom of expression, media and sovereignty.
-The United Nations has repeatedly called for Assange to walk free.
Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and other leading human rights organisations have released statements categorically opposing Assange’s extradition.
-The city of Geneva recently passed a resolution calling for Assange to be granted asylum.

Parliamentary Members of the Council of Europe should:

-Oppose Assange’s extradition to the US.
-Ensure that the Council of Europe raises this case in its procedures and champions the issue in its work on media freedom
-Press the UK government to find the solution to this issue which is available (see below)

Here's the back story on this clusterfuck:

Ecuador president blames WikiLeaks for leak of private data

QUITO, Ecuador (AP) — Ecuadorian President Lenín Moreno is blaming WikiLeaks for recent allegations of corruption in local outlets and the publication of family photos to social media.

In a speech to the Ecuadorian Broadcasting Association on Tuesday, Moreno accused WikiLeaks of intercepting phone calls and private conversations as well as “photos of my bedroom, what I eat, and how my wife and daughters and friends dance.”

Moreno provided no evidence, but the speech reflected ongoing tension between WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange and his hosts at the Ecuadorian Embassy in London.

WikiLeaks in a statement called Moreno’s charges “completely bogus,” saying it reported on the accusations of corruption against the president only after Ecuador’s legislature investigated the issue.

“If President Moreno wants to illegally terminate a refugee publisher’s asylum to cover up an offshore corruption scandal, history will not be kind,” WikiLeaks said in a statement.

Assange’s defense team suggested on Twitter that Moreno was trying to use the scandal to pressure the WikiLeaks founder.

Damn this country. If it doesn't want it's criminal acts exposed then stop committing them.

h/t Wendy

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coincidence?

Ecuador has reached a $4.2 billion staff-level financing deal with the International Monetary Fund (IMF), President Lenin Moreno said on Wednesday, as the Andean country grapples with a large fiscal deficit and heavy external debt.

The country will also receive $6 billion in loans from multilateral institutions including the World Bank, the Inter-American Development Bank, and the CAF Andean development bank, Moreno said in a message broadcast on national television and radio.

More info:

Ecuador’s president Lenin Moreno was elected to continue Correa’s Citizens' Revolution — but has set about dismantling it instead.

Interpol Rejects Demand to Arrest Ecuador’s Correa in Politicized “Kidnapping” Case
Since coming to power last May, President Lenin Moreno – a handpicked successor of Correa – has fought to remove any trace of Correa’s influence from the ruling party the charismatic leftist once led.

and finally

Abroad, Moreno is often named as an example of how to heal the scars in a country after the polarization that usually accompanies populist governments.

And yet, during a recent visit to Ecuador, very few of the people I spoke to expressed their whole-hearted support for Moreno. While his moderation and concrete steps to strengthen institutions earned him recognition in his first year as president – in late 2017, his approval ratings reached almost 80 percent – recent polls suggest little more than 30 percent of Ecuadoreans now support him.

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@gjohnsit

It's helpful to know my money is going to politicians who use it to bribe countries so they can incarcerate and torture journalists who happen to have ticked them off.

I swear, I'd be ready to go to jail if there was a massive protest where millions of citizens sent in their tax form with a note saying they were withholding funds until the U.S. Govt. published a detailed itemization of how they are using our money.

Fuck me. This is sickening.

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@Anja Geitz

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@gjohnsit

The film, All the Presidents' Men puts that directive in the mouth of Deep Throat. Of course, Deep Throat was seeking revenge because someone else got the top spot in the FBI, so he was no angel, either. However, the script of the film may be the original source. Whatever its origin, it's political gold.

Way to get revenge on Nixon, DT, and with zero blow back to yourself in the bargain.

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have buried their heads in their media. The sheeple continue to be distracted by Russia!, their video games, their tv subscriptions (binge-watching is what keeps us dullards - I’m guilty of it myself), social media, etc. Sometimes I wonder about the time I spend here. My justification is always that you people are keeping me properly informed. You encourage me to seek out more sources. You reward me when I participate. I’m your sheeple. I am part of a group of humanist survivors.

Which is why I’m concerned for the citizenry. The people need to be on the streets about this. I talk about it with my coworkers. At a university, there are many viewpoints.

I just want to shake America awake! Where’s your humanity? For once -
LET’S STAND FOR SOMETHING!!
LET’S TAKE A STAND FOR SOMEONE!!

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"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11

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The media doesn't report on issues that are important because their jobs are to distract us from what our government is doing. And like you say here people are also distracted by their stuff or just too busy trying to survive. But the biggest problem is that people believe what they are told. Take Russia Gate.. but it's worse than that. The younger generation has been told that SS is going broke and won't be there for them so when congress wants to gut it they are okay with it.

I saw a tweet today on how most Brits didn't know that Assange has been in the embassy for 8 years and incommunicado for one. There are some trucks driving around the city with information on them. Maybe if enough Brits know what is happening there they can try to intervene?

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would hope for the Brits to protest - at the same time wondering if they are aware. What a conundrum we are in.

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Saw a tweet that said the media is going to the embassy and maybe if enough people will witnesses that might stop it from happening. But they have to stay there 24/7 or he will be sneaked out at night.

Good news for Chelsea to be released from solitary, but bad news that she is still in prison.

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What a metaphor. I these people had acted years ago. However, I wish whoever conceived the photo had included the Union Jack and the Ecuadorian flag as well. Then again, maybe that would be off=putting.If this is supposed to inform Brits who are unaware of the situation, they may not realize that their own country has been the number one accomplice of the US in this. And maybe a truck should be roaming Ecuador, too.

I also wish these trucks had been on the move years ago and/or that, years ago, a helicopter had been used to get Assange out of the embassy unseen. Then again, where would it have taken him? The immoral arc of the US is long, and it has not been bending toward justice for Assange.

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Sometimes I wonder about the time I spend here.

and wondered of C99p's bubble features and me suffering under a Stockholm Syndrome.

If that is the case, so be it. Smile

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@mimi
so be it.

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Remember that time Rafael Correa responded to a US military base request by retorting, "sure, you can have a base here if I can have one in Miami?" I miss that guy...

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@Brett Wilkins

The sad thing is that Moreno was supposed to be the new Correa, but he pulled an Obama the minute he got elected. Taking the IMF loans came with a high price for Ecuador. 50,000 people have to be fired to bring costs down and 10,000 have already been. Plus harsh austerity measures are being put on the people, but you know that people in high positions won't feel any pain whatsoever from them.

Pence has been the one from the Trump administration pushing for this. And isn't there an arrest warrant for Correa for some cooked up charges?

Good to see you here. I read your essay on common dreams. Might think about posting it here?

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@Brett Wilkins Those were the days...

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If Assange is arrested and prosecuted under the Patriot Act, it will be a devastating blow to press freedoms and constitute a greater leap in the direction of Orwellian dystopia than the Patriot Act did. The US government exercising the ability to imprison journalists for simply publishing facts about it, not just in America but anywhere in the world, will be a poisoned dagger in the heart of the world population’s ability to bring any transparency or accountability to that titanic power structure.

We are about to find out if this is the part of the movie where the empire rips off the mask of freedom and democracy and reveals its true tyranny. Assange is a soft target, a controversial figure who has been on the receiving end of wildly successful smear campaigns marketed to every major political faction across the western world. He is the logical place to begin a crackdown on press freedoms and make a public example of what happens to those who shine the light of truth upon Big Brother.
If we allow them to imprison Julian Assange for practicing journalism, that’s it. It’s over. We might as well all stop caring what happens to the world and sit on our hands while the oligarchs drive us to ecological disaster, nuclear annihilation or Orwellian dystopia. If we, the many, don’t have the spine to stand up against the few and say “No, we get to find out facts about you bastards and use it to inform our worldview, you don’t get to criminalize that,” then we certainly don’t have the spine it will take to wrest control of this world away from the hands of sociopathic plutocrats and take our fate into our own hands.
The arrest of Julian Assange would be the fork in the road. It would be where we collectively decide as a species whether we want to survive into the future, and if we deserve to.

Last night I learned that a journalist might have been on Obama's kill list. Think about that for a moment. This country thinks it has the right to drop a bomb on journalists from a drone. Just wow.

Hillary wanted to do that to Julian. "Can't we just drone him?"

"We flew, we dropped, he died." Cackles and giggles.

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Truly chilling:

The US government exercising the ability to imprison journalists for simply publishing facts about it, not just in America but anywhere in the world .
. .

Yet, here we are.

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then the rest.
This is the beginning or the end.
I hope I lived long enough for freedom, and not long enough for a cage.

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Ruptley is live streaming video, but every source I've tried doesn't work.

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I asked "For what? Are we going to ambush and gun down the people coming to take him? No? Are we going to burn London to the ground? No?

Or are we going to gather around the embassy waving signs and filming it as they lead away Assange? In short, not really anything. We whimper?

If this is how it all ends let history say we didn't go out whimpering. Go out with a bang. Preferably many.

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@Battle of Blair Mountain

I don't know what good it will do for people to go to the embassy, but maybe they have some ideas and it's better than just ignoring this.

Might be better if the embassy was in France. Now they know how to protest.

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As long as he wasn't in U.S. Hands, it was a victory for all of us. An example of shining a light on their corruption and crimes and calling them out for the monsters they are.

The moment they capture him, they've won. Yet again. To say nothing of the fear I have of what they will do to him once he is in custody.

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@Anja Geitz

We know what will happen to him if we get him in custody. The same things we did to Chelsea Manning and the men in Gitmo.

I saw a tweet that listed Wikileaks' insurance policies so maybe that is something to hang some hope on? Just the fact that he has been inside the embassy for 8 years should cause the world to hang its head in shame! Let's hope that the UN can do something, but then when's the last time we listened to them?

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The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
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But so true.

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Explain Bldg #7. . . still waiting. . .

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I don't know what would be worse, watching them sacrifice everyone on the plane, or listening to the media lie about it.

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They are of course orgasming about this over at TOP

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@Johnny Q what a bunch of fiendish monsters.

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This shows how far down the sewer daily kos has gone. Celebrating that someone who has not been convicted of anything to be sent here to be tortured and possibly murdered is beyond heinous.

The only 'evidence' that Wikileaks was involved in the DNC computer 'hack' was from CrowdStrike a company that is tight with the Clintons and was never looked at by the FBI. That's it. Just someone's word that Wikileaks did it.

You'd think that this would finally show that Trump wasn't involved with it, but no. "Trump doesn't like people who have been captured" so that's why he is doing it. I'd leave a comment there, but they are just waiting for people to come and defend Assange. I'm sure that some will come see what we are saying. Hopefully one day they will wake the f'ck up and see what kind of person they have become.

Assange has embarrassed this country by exposing its crimes against humanity and for people to be against that and then arrested, tortured and locked away from everything is just sad.

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If that place has any relationship to the Democratic Party then they will never get me back. Never. You know this is all encouraged by Kos because the CIA types hate Assange for exposing them too. I feel sick....

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@Fishtroller 02 But then, I've heard them talk about us.

This is pretty much standard fare for heretics.

Rather than respond in kind, I'll just let them tell us more about who they are.

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I do not pretend I know what I do not know.

@detroitmechworks At so many levels. Nothing about how Assange revealed, for example, the utter rot at the core of democratic party leadership which took down the party for the last 10 years or so. And they are not anger about that, but that Assange revealed it.

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@Fishtroller 02 CIA dems running! What else would they be cheering for? They need to revenge HER in the worst way. After all it couldn't be Hillarys fault she lost.

Short version. They suck.

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@Johnny Q People rightly talk about how nothing but pure outright tribalism rules much of he political landscape. And the thread I saw on Assange was one posting after another basically wishing violence on Assange. Reminds me of 1984.

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@MrWebster

there was a hr'd-able offense? Not so much in that diary. Hoping that someone is sent off to Gitmo should have gotten him banned. A few people stood up for Julian and belittled the people making comments, but I'm sure you know how that went. I flagged the tip jar.

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@Johnny Q because I really do not give a flying fruitcake what they think of me. Here is what I wrote. These f**king people need to be called out and told in sober terms just what they are cheering.

I see a lot of tribalism in these comments which frightens me.

The distressing issue here is by cheering for the arrest and criminalization of a person who published information that was inconvenient, embarrassing, or showed criminal behavior by the government and others, you are also saying that you are okay with criminalizing any other publisher, writer, or website that does something similar. Arresting a publisher of information, regardless of how it came into his hands is unprecedented in the country and is a very dangerous precedent toward the complete shut down of what little is left of freedom of speech in this country.

This is a very ugly, slippery slope that our government is treading on. I am absolutely shocked that so many people on what was supposed to be a liberal website are cheering the criminalization of the publishing of information, regardless of how it was obtained. This is no different than when the New York Times printed the Pentagon papers and yet their publisher and journalists were not arrested. Freedom of information should be a paramount importance to every American. Any one of us could be the next.

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“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

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This is another consequence of people buying into the Russia Gate propaganda. Even now that Mueller has said that he didn't see that Trump's campaign had any connections with Russia people are twisting the words of Barr around. But what else is happening is that now the propaganda puppets are still working hard to keep people focused on this and not knowing what else is happening. Rachel is doing her part in this.

One bone to pick with Rachel since this started is that she used to have people from both sides of an issue on her show to discuss the yes and no points of view. All of her coverage has been one sided. This is not good journalism and why she shouldn't be considered anything but a propagandist from now on.

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Elizabeth Vos:

Instead, we have witnessed legacy press wage a propaganda war against Assange, vilifying him based on utterly fake news. We are watching the unfolding death of the concept of journalism, of Ecuador’s sovereignty, and the public’s hope for transparency.

Assange and WikiLeaks are standing before the US and UK military power structures for the sake of all of us, and especially those who consider themselves journalists. Unfortunately, those who have done the most to injure WikiLeaks amongst the press, are also the very people who have gained the most from Assange’s sacrifices.

The word “journalist” no longer seems to apply to the establishment media. Instead, it is a class of talking heads, mute on this issue, revealing themselves in their silence as nothing other than sycophants baying at the knees of plutocrats.

Pulitzer-Prize-winning journalist Chris Hedges allegorized Assange’s treatment, comparing it with the crucifixion of Christ. To extend that metaphor, Lenin Moreno can be likened to Judas Iscariot, selling Assange for 30 pieces of silver - or debt relief.

There seems to be no way to fully encapsulate the depth of betrayal of the global public that Assange’s arrest would represent. No words can fully communicate the intentional reversals of truth used to tarnish Assange’s reputation in the public arena from 2010 to the latest gas-lighting attempts by Lenin Moreno’s government and Ecuador’s state-backed media.

Do not allow Assange to go the way of the countless victims of the American deep state and its vengeance against truth-tellers. If we do not have a free press, we are no longer a free people.

Today is an anniversary of the day MLK was murdered. What a precedent this would set if Assange was arrested.

Here's the scene outside the Ecuadorian embassy tonight. Hopefully more pictures will come from the area.

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Do not allow Assange to go the way of the countless victims of the American deep state and its vengeance against truth-tellers.

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@snoopydawg

the over reach of the propaganda war machine will net us all

full stop

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Assange vigil

It's disappointing so far. Just a few Ghouls journalists and the tents, but not many people.

I posted a tweet to Julian's mom with the link to us holding vigil here.

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Does anyone know? No one has seen him in ages. Not even doctors were allowed in, not too long ago, and all communication cut off, yes?

The poor bastard could have been offed months, if not years, ago; and, we'd be none the wiser.

I don't doubt anything, anymore. It's all so shitty, and just . . . beyond fucking shitty!

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@Deja

A real journalist tried to see him recently, but wasn't able to because Julian would have to go through a full body scan before he could go in the room. He refused to do that. While that was being decided the journalist was locked away and couldn't leave the embassy. Plus his lawyer wasn't allowed to see him either. There's more of course. Someone from the UN tried to see him but didn't. I don't know the details. Yes he was cut off from all communications a year ago.

So yeah he's still alive if you can call what he has gone through for 8 years living, huh?

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figures like Julian Assange (or Ed Snowden, or Chelsea Manning).

Alternative journalists at “my” newspaper, the Berlin-based but nationally distributed Taz, used to have some capacity for expressing doubt about Western governments’ official stories and some alacrity for researching alternate explanations (denigrated, of course, as “conspiracy theories” by standard mainstream propaganda channelers) that fit the facts better.

Now it’s like in the U.S. — if you’re not a migrant or intersectional minority, don’t look to them for help; you’ll tend to be out of luck.

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oh there’s no doubt he will go into U.S. custody, I hope they take him to Gitmo to be interrogated….
I wonder what Cheeto Mussolini will think when he sees Julian Assange has been detained by Federal authorities.

FDRismyhero April 04 · 11:14:47 PM Reply recommend 1

Stupid f'ck doesn't know that Trump is in charge of federal authorities.

Please, please, let it be so
The asshole fucked with our election, needlessly jeopardize millions of Turkish women, may have raped women, and is a Russian stooge.

I hope the British judge throws the book at him and gives an American judge an opportunity to do the same.

Delib April 04 · 06:22:49 PM Reply recommend 46

Julian was never charged with rape and yet that's what people think. This is all I could take of reading the swamp.

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The USA has some serious karma coming its way. The American empire is dying, and its people have gone insane. I mean that literally.

I actually have more hope now than I used to, that the human race will survive. The USA will not, at least not in its current form. That's not necessarily a bad thing, since its current form is full of rot -- physically, mentally, and spiritually.

It can be difficult maintaining one's own sanity when surrounded by a society in which insanity is the norm. Anyone who grew up in a dysfunctional family or who's been in a toxic relationship will recognize the experience.

Some days, I feel angry. Some days, I feel depressed. Some days, I feel optimistic.

Today, I'm in deep grieving, for what could have been, and for all of the lost people, lost in delusion, projection, and denial.

I can understand why they would choose denial, though. Facing the horror of the current reality is a tough thing to do. Fingers crossed that enough of us are able to do it in time.

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@Centaurea You have expressed my own feelings perfectly.

Some days, I feel angry. Some days, I feel depressed. Some days, I feel optimistic.

Today, I'm in deep grieving, for what could have been, and for all of the lost people, lost in delusion, projection, and denial.

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Hows come this Friday morn the reddit sub for wikileaks is giving me a 'service unavailable' blank white page?

Thanks all for all the great comments... What a sad day for truth. America's treatment of Julian and wikileaks has been horrible but accurate representation of what America really thinks of the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

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the gods can't be happy with what is taking
place on Mother Earth.

Evil has lapped the field.

If ever there was a time for the bestest
"dead mans switch" ever, this would be it.

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I have been at a loss for the right words to express my own feelings about what we have been witnessing with Assange and Manning. Despair is probably the single greatest emotion I am feeling right now. If Assange is turned over to the United States, it is game over for what little free speech we have left.

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“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

Will they pardon Assange, Snowden, Manning and the all the rest of the Obama persecuted whistleblowers?

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@dkmich I doubt whistleblowers have much of a chance.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/04/05/the-media-smoothed-the-path-to-b...

And now, this week, footage has emerged showing British soldiers – apparently taking their commanders’ expressed wishes more seriously than the media – using a poster of Corbyn as target practice out in Afghanistan.

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A senior serving general has reportedly warned that a Jeremy Corbyn government could face "a mutiny" from the Army if it tried to downgrade them.

The unnamed general said members of the armed forces would begin directly and publicly challenging the labour leader if he tried to scrap Trident, pull out of Nato or announce “any plans to emasculate and shrink the size of the armed forces.”

He told the Sunday Times: “The Army just wouldn’t stand for it. The general staff would not allow a prime minister to jeopardise the security of this country and I think people would use whatever means possible, fair or foul to prevent that. You can’t put a maverick in charge of a country’s security.

“There would be mass resignations at all levels and you would face the very real prospect of an event which would effectively be a mutiny.”

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I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish

"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"

Heard from Margaret Kimberley

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of the principals of liberty and decency compare to other shameful and devastating US actions you have experienced? Which American injustices or depravities have you lived through that produced comparable levels of fear or dread?

How did you survive them? How did they change you?

If you are a loved one was conscripted for mental trauma and human sacrifice in Vietnam, how do these current events compare in terms of psychological damage?

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