It's not Russian propaganda if it's true.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/11/01/goog-n01.html
Top legal and security officials for Facebook, Twitter and Google appeared before the Senate Judiciary Committee Tuesday, in a hearing targeting “Extremist Content and Russian Disinformation Online.”
Over the course of four hours, senators argued that “foreign infiltration” is the root of social opposition within the United States, in order to justify the censorship of oppositional viewpoints.
Russia “sought to sow discord and amplify racial and social divisions among American voters,” said Democratic Senator Dianne Feinstein of California. It “exploited hot button topics…to target both conservative and progressive audiences.”
Republican Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa said Russia helped promote protests against police violence in Ferguson, Baltimore and Cleveland. Russia, he said, “spread stories about abuse of black Americans by law enforcement. These ads are clearly intended to worsen racial tensions and possibly violence in those cities.”
But you notice Russia didn’t invent fake stories about abuse of black Americans by law. So what they’re really saying is “Russia is shaming us for being assholes.” That’s a whole lot different than Russian propaganda. It’s not propaganda if it’s true.
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These are stories that should be front page in the NYT
We are at war. The Corporatocracy vs. the People. Election funding and manipulation and the lack of a Public Option for Obamacare are recent and clear signals that the Corporations are winning. The corporations control the media in the US with the exception of RT, Sputnik News, and 100s of small news outlets. The irritation for the corporatocracy is that RT and Sputnik have clout and significant penetration in public information space. The irony here is that the "freedom loving" American Kleptocracy is trying to close public discourse to protect their right to propogandize America.
The Clintons figured this out twenty five years ago, and designed a strategy that involved using and supporting the Corporate Kleptocacy for their personal political ambitions. In the process they gave the kleptocracy the biggest gift of all, the destruction of the Democratic Party as a progressive institution and the subjugation of labor and minorities, while simultaneously screwing them to the wall.
Capitalism has always been the rule of the people by the oligarchs. You only have two choices, eliminate them or restrict their power.
bing! bing! and bing! n/t
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
oh, one more comment,
my sig line says, "all about building progressive media."
It is.
We don't get that done 'muricans remain clueless.
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
Our increasingly militarized police are not protecting us
from foreign terrorists, they are in place to protect the oligarchy from the people of this country, people who are beginning to realize that our government does not represent or serve the people's interests. An independent media speaking the truth about our broken democracy is the last thing the oligarchs want.
Capitalism is the extraordinary belief that the nastiest of men for the nastiest of motives will somehow work for the benefit of all."
- John Maynard Keynes
Indeed. And one of
the first things we need to build.
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
when do we get rid of the 546
assholes in DC who do nothing for the
people they are "meant to represent"?
Vote out all the bums, since a revolution
might be asking to much....Hello NSA.
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
We’ve seen this movie before.
These are the exact same things they said during the Civil Rights struggle in the 50s and 60s. America is already great, except for those dirty Ruskies stirring up discontent among the minorities! It’s kind of fascinating watching the same playbook being used, except now, it’s bipartisan.
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
Don't forget the 50s!
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
They are trying to criminalize free speech...
plain and simple. By calling it "propaganda" or "fake news", US corporatists hope to control the free flow of information across national boundaries. They would prefer that the truth about any given situation be subject to their own interpretation and censorship.
Serious criticism of the US Government in its current form must not be allowed anywhere within mainstream media. So sayeth the patriotic warmongers in Congress who have declared Russia to be America's Enemy... unilaterally, and without bothering to ask Americans about it. Meanwhile lambasting the US public with a non-stop barrage of anti-Russian propaganda, most of which makes no sense at all.
Alternative or dissenting viewpoints are essential to any society that calls itself a "democracy" -- no matter what Senators Feinstein and Schumer might think. RT and Sputnik both provide valuable insights into what makes the US system behave as it does. Without their contribution, Americans would be half-blind to world affairs... which is precisely the condition that many of our "national leaders" seem to prefer.
native
McCarthyism eventually leads there.
As one pundit pointed out--the people screaming the loudest about Trump's attack on free speech are those arguing for censorship of Twitter, Google, FB, etc.
Trump is an idiot, as many will agree.
But the efforts to illegally unseat him, being made by a supposedly neutral Inteiiigence Community and a lunatic msm, are far more dangerous and anti-American than any President Trump could be. As Publius Tacticus rightly notes,
native
Like Murka isn't a racist, sexist, hateful,
genocidal country to begin with, nope, those damned Russians have made it so since our very founding. Why, slavery itself was a Russian institution, doncha know, we Murkan's didn't do that shit, THEY did it to us. For shame Vladimir, for shame.
The audacity of these people never ceases to amaze. Don't blame rampant willful ignorance, don't blame Faux Noise, Ronald Fucking Reagan, the Moral Majority, El Rushbo, Anne Coulter, Sarah Fucking Palin, the Southern Strategy, nope, those were simply imports, they aren't real Murkans.
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
This is some sort of 11 dimension thinking
...that I can't quite grasp.
So, Russia aided Trump's election.
Trump loves the police, especially tough, brutal policies.
The police love Trump, especially tough, brutal policies, like when Trump suggests roughing people up.
https://www.salon.com/2017/08/28/trumps-arpaio-pardon-sends-a-clear-sign...
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/296342-nations-la...
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/04/us/trump-police-unions-obama-justice-...
Yet, somehow, when Russia "promotes protests against police violence," one might say anti-brutality, that to this point, has been a common, ongoing concern in this nation, that is disinformation? And this anti-brutality Russian 'propaganda,' and their support of BlackLivesMatter, somehow 'helped' Trump because it was the opposite of what Trump condoned?
My head hurts from this sophisticated, reverse psychology, that only these superior, 11th dimensional thinkers can understand, far beyond my simpleton brain.
The media and democrats have lost all sense of incredulity.
You hit it on the proverbial head. We are being asked to believe some strange shit. I still wonder how the Russians knew the Rust Belt states where in play when American democrats and American pollsters were clueless? Or that when the Russians brilliantly "micro targeted" FB ads, they targeted groups in solidly blue states like CA? Or how did $150K of pedestrian ads change the course of an entire election. It goes on and on...every accusation is taken in full faith.
But then again, as one pundit said, there is now a lucrative Russian Conspiracy Complex.
Yes and yes.
& I dipped a toe into the latest RUSSIARUSSIARUSSIA bombshell and I still ask myself how this is making a case. All today’s RSS feed litter is saying is the exact same thing many of us have been pointing out (DNC got phished) but they still aren’t connecting it to anyone, at least that I’ve seen, nor have they said how leaked emails tipped the election. (I fully expect they don’t want to touch that as it would basically be admitting the emails exposed the DNC’s corruption and that cost them votes. Honestly, I’m skeptical how many people whose minds weren’t already made up were paying attention to the emails and could have been influenced. But I do hope that maybe someday he public will see through the Russia deflection and get curious about the content of the actual emails.)
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
So true.
I still struggle with the logic of this. What you say here is absolutely true:
Maybe I need to imagine Trump, if he had lost, blaming whoever exposed his groping comments. I don't see how supposedly intelligent people don't see the equivalence.
Remember all the talk about how dangerous it was going to be
because angry Trump supporters across the country would refuse to accept that their candidate lost fair and square?
What a textbook case of psychological projection that turned out to be.
@ChezJfrey Any old protest against
Any old protest against any kind of authority for any reason is bad and must come from Russia.
That ought to be the title of my next essay.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
The Same Corporations That Sponsor Our Media Sponsor Our
politicians.
Anything that is not approved by our politicians corporate sponsors is "fake news".
No offense, it's just business, citizen.
“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu
Oh my dawg! Russia tried to co-opt OWS
joe posted this link in last night's EBs.
For gawd's sake, how many more people are going jump on this ridiculous bandwagon?
Look at the jumps she hooped through to say that Russia interfered with the OWS protests.
I started Occupy Wall Street. Russia tried to co-opt me
Why does she think this?
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
@snoopydawg Must be nice to be a
Must be nice to be a leftist activist who gets to publish prominently in The Guardian. A revolutionist, no less! A real radical. I've noticed how often people like that get published in large, well-funded newspapers. Because the press is so neutral and impartial, allowing all views their say.
Oh, wait. No, it's not. Actually, the press gives almost no coverage to leftist revolutionists in English-speaking countries. In fact, the press gives almost no coverage to peaceful liberal marches in English-speaking countries.
Almost makes me think that the establishment wants her to get that publicity. Like maybe she's writing that shit to provide the establishment with a straw man to beat all around the block.
Anyway, how does someone approaching her "after Occupy was defeated" have jack or shit to do with Russia co-opting Occupy?
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
My interpretation of what she is saying
is that she is looking back at what happened with hindsight because of this current Russian propaganda crap. I bet when RT was covering police brutality, she was thankful for their coverage since no other news media was. She is throwing the people who protested under the bus with the rest of the people who are refusing to buy into this.
This is the same as people on ToP saying that Russia directed the BLM protesters to go to certain places. It's absolutely bullshit to say that Russia was responsible for the movement.
Someone on ToP tweeted this
MsGrin posted this in this EBs
https://caucus99percent.com/comment/306566#comment-306566
Plus this one
The BLM protests started in 2014 after Michael Brown, Eric Garner and Tamir Rice were murdered by the police. Russia had nothing to do with the protests then and they didn't last year.
A black woman on ToP wrote a diary on about how Russia directed the BLM protesters to go to certain places and profs. If you have the stomach for it, read the diary and comments in it.
It's just so thoroughly disgusting that she wrote that diary and then people agreed with her.
Texas lefty wrote that he suspected that Russia placed bots on ToP to disrupt the site and another person pretty much accused the people who were banned as being Russian bots.
Twitter has been calling members of ToP idiots and other names. Did you see the link that dkmitch posted about Armando? I think it's in this essay.
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
@snoopydawg So maybe she's just
So maybe she's just an opportunistic idiot.
As for Markos and the politics of his site, I can't keep track of what makes you an obedient good girl over there and what makes you a nasty bad girl anymore. I thought everything Black people did--except for those Black people who vote for Republicans or Bernie Sanders or don't vote at all--was good, and anybody criticizing them was an evil racist, maybe in the pay of Russia. Now a Black woman is criticizing Black members of BLM for being Russian puppets on DKos. OK, whatever, it's no longer worth my time to try and extract a coherent narrative from this garbage.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
No, that was your party, Di.
Russia “sought to sow discord and amplify racial and social divisions among American voters,” said Democratic Senator Dianne Feinstein of California. It “exploited hot button topics…to target both conservative and progressive audiences.”
Also your colleagues across the aisle and your friends in the corporate press.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Because in nice nation-states
Black people die happily at the hands of the Fatherland.
Right, Chuck?
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Another Senator from the mid-west once said similar, Chuck
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver