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(IMO) Why the Trump/Russia nonsense needs to stop. The Feds already have all the proof they need.

Of course it’s my opinion I’m floating here, but I’m gonna put it out anyway.

FIRST: this has been really bugging me. Why depend on getting the truth from lying, opportunistic weasels when the actual proof is already available?

FAQ: What You Need to Know About the NSA's Surveillance Programs

https://www.propublica.org/article/nsa-data-collection-faq

Now think about it. Individuals can be ‘caught up’ (Hahahaha) in their general (unconstitutional) data mining or they can be specifically targeted. Soooo, with all these capabilities and the fact this gang of thugs were already involved in framing Trump in June 2016...

To summarize, reporting indicates that, prior to June 2016, the Obama Justice Department and FBI considered a criminal investigation of Trump associates, and perhaps Trump himself, based on concerns about connections to Russian financial institutions. Preliminary poking around indicated that there was nothing criminal involved. Rather than shut the case down, though, the Obama Justice Department converted it into a national-security investigation under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). FISA allows the government, if it gets court permission, to conduct electronic surveillance (which could include wiretapping, monitoring of e-mail, and the like) against those it alleges are “agents of a foreign power.” FISA applications and the evidence garnered from them are classified – i.e., we would not know about any of this unless someone had leaked classified information to the media, a felony.

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Not taking no for an answer, the Obama Justice Department evidently returned to the FISA court in October 2016, the critical final weeks of the presidential campaign. This time, the Justice Department submitted a narrowly tailored application that did not mention Trump. The court apparently granted it, authorizing surveillance of some Trump associates. It is unknown whether that surveillance is still underway, but the New York Times has identified – again, based on illegal leaks of classified information – at least three of its targets: Paul Manafort (the former Trump campaign chairman who was ousted in August), and two others whose connection to the Trump campaign was loose at best, Manafort’s former political-consulting business partner Roger Stone, and investor Carter Page. The Times report (from mid-January) includes a lot of heavy breathing about potential ties between the Trump campaign and Russia; but it ultimately concedes that the government’s FISA investigation may have nothing to do with Trump, the campaign, or alleged Russian efforts to interfere in the U.S. election by hacking e-mail accounts.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nationalreview.com/corner/obama-camp-di...

(Link to NY Slime’s article:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/politics/trump-russia-associates-i...)

...does anyone really think all these emails and text and phone records aren’t already collected? Theoretically they would have been snagged ‘incidentally’, like OURS. Even on the off chance they weren’t picked up does it make sense that, what with the involvement of the Obama administration and the ‘intelligence’ community, the NSA wouldn’t have targeted Trump, his family, and all known ‘associates since they were going on the offensive to prove he was a RUSSIAN!!! collaborator? Isn’t that why Obama & Co. shit all over the Constitution? To ‘protect’ us from all evil doers???

I’m absolutely convinced that this information is recorded and stored in a big warehouse in UTAH

Background
The Utah Data Center, code-named Bumblehive, is the first Intelligence Community Comprehensive National Cyber-security Initiative (IC CNCI) data center designed to support the Intelligence Community's efforts to monitor, strengthen and protect the nation. Our Utah "massive data repository" is designed to cope with the vast increases in digital data that have accompanied the rise of the global network.

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The 1.5 billion-dollar one million square-foot Bluffdale / Camp Williams LEED Silver facility houses a 100,000 sq-ft mission critical Tier III data center. The remaining 900,000 SF is used for technical support and administrative space. Our massive twenty building complex also includes water treatment facilities, chiller plants, electric substation, fire pump house, warehouse, vehicle inspection facility, visitor control center, and sixty diesel-fueled emergency standby generators and fuel facility for a 3-day 100% power backup capability.

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In 2004, the NSA launched a plan to use the Multiprogram Research Facility in Oak Ridge, Tennessee to build a classified supercomputer designed specifically for cryptanalysis targeting the AES algorithm. Our classified NSA Oak Ridge facility made a stunning breakthrough that is leading us on a path towards building the first exaflop machine (1 quintillion instructions per second) by 2018. Since the capability to break the AES-256 encryption key within an actionable time period may still be decades away, our Utah facility is sized to store all encrypted (and thereby suspicious) data for safekeeping.

https://nsa.gov1.info/utah-data-center/

(If they can’t read it, they’ll store it until they can.)

SECONDLY: If they DON’T have that stuff, then their data collection is flawed and faulty. So what are we paying for? That’s a hell of a lot of money and resources for something that doesn’t work. (But I bet it does.)

U.S. secretly tracked billions of calls for decades

WASHINGTON — The U.S. government started keeping secret records of Americans' international telephone calls nearly a decade before the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, harvesting billions of calls in a program that provided a blueprint for the far broader National Security Agency surveillance that followed.

For more than two decades, the Justice Department and the Drug Enforcement Administration amassed logs of virtually all telephone calls from the USA to as many as 116 countries linked to drug trafficking, current and former officials involved with the operation said. The targeted countries changed over time but included Canada, Mexico and most of Central and South America.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=undefined&cd=&ved=0ahUKEwjQ8fek5Y...

I could be totally wrong about all this. But I doubt it. This isn’t even a conspiracy theory. (IMO) I think it’s plain damn critical thinking. If they didn’t collect all pertinent info ‘incidentally’ what are the odds that they wouldn’t use all the technology at their fingertips to collect it intentionally? I’d say pretty darn slim.

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CB's picture

collection of porn videos. Maybe they were too preoccupied?

Of all the spook agencies, the NSA is the only one which is capable of giving information concerning collusion between Trump and Russia which would have a high degree of certainty yet here is what they say in the much touted assessment by the eleven three intelligence agencies:

“Assessing Russian Activities and Intentions in Recent US Elections”: The Analytic Process and Cyber Incident Attribution

We also assess Putin and the Russian Government aspired to help President-elect Trump’s election chances when possible by discrediting Secretary Clinton and publicly contrasting her unfavorably to him. All three agencies agree with this judgment. CIA and FBI have high confidence in this judgment; NSA has moderate confidence.

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@CB

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I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks

Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

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If Trump wants to stop the Russian propaganda nonsense then he should release the proof that they hacked the DNC computers that the NSA has.

Nuff said.

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The message echoes from Gaza back to the US. “Starving people is fine.”

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@snoopydawg but it sure will animate many of the Capitol Hill Zombies. These are the ones who sit on high diases of power, speaking both wisdom and commands to people about whom they do not care. While those on the Q train think this may the beginning of the Rupture Rapture, the time for its unleashing is almost spent. The double tiered justice fabric is torn and frayed.

Revolution is coming, not Yellow Vest style perhaps (the French really know how to do this well). Mainline demonrats will fight to the last breath to protect their power (as will many mainline Repugnants). I think Trump is waking for RBG's corpus delicti to be thawed, then name Amy Barrett for RBG's old spot. After that nomination succeeds (and it will), then Trump will be able to move with relative impunity in the coming purge.

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@Alligator Ed

I haven't seen anything about him lately. The last thing he said about Sessions was that he was wearing a white hat and then he got fired. This didn't work out very well IMO. Oh yeah. And then Huber was going to be indicting a lot of people. Have you heard anything about that?

After that nomination succeeds (and it will), then Trump will be able to move with relative impunity in the coming purge.

Want to expand on this?

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The message echoes from Gaza back to the US. “Starving people is fine.”

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@snoopydawg Most of the Q-oriented bloggers on YouTube are filling in the blanks by post relevant (as to their thinking) news articles. Since almost all Q-followers are conservative, you will see, for now, mainly stories that malign Dems--which is both expected and deserved.

The Q community, along with many others, are waiting for Godot er, FISA matters, to be released, as well as documents concerning the 33K HRC emails. HRC's written deposition under oath per Judicial Watch's request is being completed this month. Perhaps also Cheryl Doxx-them-all Mills and Heather Samuelson also.

The big question is: "what color hat is the Swan wearing?"

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And don’t want to admit it.

Or they might not have it all and don’t want to admit it, for so many various reasons.

Legality might be one.
Being able to drag this out endlessly to damage and to try to change public perception as to what really happened, might be another.

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I've been meaning to write about this, but haven't found the energy to do it. But it shows more proof how all the players that were involved in setting up the Trump campaign and people connected with it are in bed with each other.

Death Of Russiagate: Mueller Team Tied To Mifsud’s Network

In April last year, Disobedient Media broke coverage of the British involvement in the Trump-Russia collusion narrative, asking why All Russiagate Roads Lead To London, via the quasi-scholar Joseph Mifsud and others.

The issue was also raised by WikiLeaks’s Julian Assange, just days before the Ecuadorian government silenced him last March. Assange’s Twitter thread cited research by Chris Blackburn, who spoke with Disobedient Media on multiple occasions covering Joseph Mifsud’s ties to British intelligence figures and organizations, as well as his links to Hillary Clinton’s Presidential campaign, the FBI, CIA and the private cyber-security firm Crowdstrike.

We return, now, to this issue and specifically the research of Chris Blackburn, to place the final nail in the coffin of the Trump-Russia collusion charade. Blackburn’s insights are incredible not only because they return us to the earliest reporting on the role of British intelligence figures in manufacturing the Trump-Russia collusion narrative, but because they also implicate members of Mueller’s investigation. What we are left with is an indication of collusion between factions of the US and UK intelligence community in fabricating evidence of Trump-Russia collusion: a scandal that would have rocked the legacy press to its core, if Western establishment-backed media had a spine.

It forces the spotlight on whether the UK played a role in the FBI’s investigation launched before the 2016 presidential election into Trump campaign ties to the Kremlin… Mr. Trump’s allies and former advisers are raising questions about the UK’s role in the start of the probe, given many of the key figures and meetings were located in Britain… One former top White House adviser to Mr. Trump made similar insinuations, telling this newspaper: “You know the Brits are up to their neck.” The source added on the Page wiretap application: “I think that stuff is going to implicate MI5 and MI6 in a bunch of activities they don’t want to be implicated in, along with FBI, counter-terrorism and the CIA.”

This is why Trump isn't releasing the original FISA warrants. The PTB don't want people to know how many countries are spying on us. Including our friends the Brits.

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The message echoes from Gaza back to the US. “Starving people is fine.”

With a team of lawyers and the resources of the DOJ, still can't figure it out? Looks like NSA also involved as they were monitoring Russian hackers. Just more endless bullshit.

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